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In 1944, two weapons designers came up with a very novel way to improve the ground-attack capabilities of bombers - strap 88 sub machine-guns to each bomber to strafe ground targets!
Dr. Mark Felton FRHistS, FRSA, is a well-known British historian, the author of 22 non-fiction books, including bestsellers 'Zero Night' and 'Castle of the Eagles', both currently being developed into movies in Hollywood. In addition to writing, Mark also appears regularly in television documentaries around the world, including on The History Channel, Netflix, National Geographic, Quest, American Heroes Channel and RMC Decouverte. His books have formed the background to several TV and radio documentaries. More information about Mark can be found at: en.wikipedia.o...
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@WarStorieswithMarkFelton Год назад

ERROR CORRECTION - during the video I say the PPSh-41s were loaded with 50-round drum magazines - I meant to say 71-round drums. No need to comment further.

@PappaWasTakenBySomeWierdo Год назад

Correction Accepted

@paraweld9838 Год назад

Correction Accepted

@MikeCera1 Год назад

Correction Accepted

@jeffhallel8211 Год назад

You owe us 21 rounds x 88. Thats 1,848 rounds Mr Felton. Otherwise a fantastic video. Thanks.

@michaelfoye1135 Год назад

A rare mistake. Swiftly and properly remedied. You are a true professional. Tha k you for the excellent historical content.

@Foche_T._Schitt Год назад

If you shot one of those down you effectively equipped a couple of platoons.

@chrisshelley3027 Год назад

🤣😳🤗😂😉😎👌

@joeyw7325 Год назад

I was thinking the exact same 😂that's too funny

@poorboysadventures4636 Год назад

They didn't have stocks though or did they?

@sniperboom1202 Год назад

1 1/2 platoons. Since your typical platoon is 40 ish men

@shitchops Год назад

Half of them would be damaged

@tillytilford2158 Год назад

I feel for the ground crew bloke that had to reload it!!

@ffjsb Год назад

BlokeSSSS

@Mr_Dancy_Pants Год назад

In a rare show of empathy, so apparently did the USSR.

@berryreading4809 Год назад

If you look at who really did most of the fighting and dying for the Soviet Union not that large of a percentage were ethnic Russian Moscowvian/Or from now larhe Russian cities... The Soviets much like Russia does now liked to kill off it's "unimportant" citizens from less desirable regions, while simultaneously killing certain elites or officials in the "important" cities for whatever KGB/NKVD/Stalin/Putin decided reasons... Russia didn't help win WW2, the Soviet Union did... There are good breakdowns of which former states produced soldiers/took casualties/fought in various battles... Although today Russia acts like they did everything without assistance, with all WW2 soilders magically spawning from red square 🙄

@dangray4086 Год назад

The earliest aerial gunship iteration of Puff The Magic Dragon.

@InCountry6970 Год назад

I just commented about that similarity too

@mikearmstrong8483 Год назад

Not the earliest. The Junkers-Larsen JL12 tried the same concept in 1922, with 28 downward firing drum fed Thompson .45 cal submachine guns.

@dangray4086 Год назад

@@mikearmstrong8483 Thanks! This is why the comments section is often even more valuable than the published material, itself.

@Willigula Год назад

That is one of the craziest weapons contraptions that Dr. Felton has told us about. Aside from the difficulty resetting the guns for the next run, the effect would be absolutely terrifying if widely employed.

@rascallyrabbit8548 Год назад

how about the Japanese balloon time bombs

@recoil53 Год назад

I bet a triple rack that dropped gernades would be as terrifying to infantry, if you can work out the fuse.

@tompaul2591 Год назад

@@rascallyrabbit8548 minimal effectiveness

@fordshaw5833 Год назад

@@recoil53There were stories of WW1 and WW2 reconnaissance pilots who used to drop mortar bombs on their targets by tilting their A/C on its side then releasing the mortar bomb with their hand out an open window or open cockpit, depending on their aircraft.

@fordshaw5833 Год назад

Fantastic story, it’s interesting to see the different experimental aircraft developed to solve direct fire ground attack problems. The prototype aircraft seem awkward but they prove the concept. Though, until there is a breakthrough that solves all the problems of accuracy, reliability, rate of fire and safety the idea waits. I am surprised that by the late 1930s or early 1940s no one gunsmith or armorer got the idea to power a Gatling guns action with an electric motor and sell it to the armed forces.

@jetstreamer374 Год назад

"How much vibrations is this setup going to cause to the airframe?" "YES"

@ABC-dw7pe Год назад

Nah…poor.

@stephenbridges2791 Год назад

Very unusual. I guess in a war of that scope, you'd be willing to try just about anything to give you an edge. It's somewhat reminiscent of the Douglas AC-47 of the Vietnam War.

@Ed_Stuckey Год назад

I was there. It was awesome. But only because it was on our side.

@dat2ra Год назад

The very definition of baad azzz.

@Mishn0 Год назад

@JZ's BFF I think he was talking about the AC-47 which would make him 70 years +- young today.

@ELCADAROSA Год назад

I have to admit, the title and short duration initially had me thinking this was a late 'April Fool's joke. But, wow! 88 guns is a lot of firepower!

@Richthofenweber Год назад

oh I herd of this plane it had so many guns the crews who would rearm it hated it they had to manually reload every single drum bullet by bullet.) Ivan get back to reloading the guns but sir this is a waste of time.

@Chilly_Billy Год назад

It really wouldn't be very useful, unless the ground unit was composed of dead and blind morons. That's the only way they wouldn't react to the approaching strafer by scattering.

@ELCADAROSA Год назад

@@Chilly_Billy, agreed. I noted the narrow field of fire. The overall system is good in theory, but probably would not have had a great return on investment (enemies KIA and weapons destroyed).

@Twitch760 Год назад

@@ELCADAROSA Guns all needed to be canted out a few degrees to create a 15 foot wide strip about the width of a 2 lane country road. Would be great if you could get behind a column of say fuel trucks and just explode all of them or a column of marching infantry.

@ekspatriat Год назад

88 pea shooters though

@Paladin1873 Год назад

This idea was tested in the USA a couple of decades earlier by mounting 28 drum-fed (100 round) Thompson Model SMGs in three different downward firing positions for strafing ground targets. It proved equally impractical.

@thebigdog2295 Год назад

The U.S military never gave up on the idea. How do you think that the Lockheed AC-130 gunship, and the A-10C Thunderbolt affectionately known by the name Warthog came about. Both of which are still used by the U.S. military too this day.

@Paladin1873 Год назад

@@thebigdog2295 We're not talking about the basic concept of a gunship. We're talking about the tools employed. It was incredibly naive to think a stack of submachine guns could work in such a manner, especially by WWII when much more practical arrangements had been developed using a host of forward firing .50 caliber machine guns, and in the case of the B-25, a 75mm cannon in the nose. A number of examples of these Mitchells were given to the USSR, so I can't imagine what the Soviet designers were thinking.

@joeshmoe9978 Год назад

What type of plane did they use to try the concept?

@Paladin1873 Год назад

@@joeshmoe9978 I've only seen interior photos of the arrangement, but I've read it was a single engine metal cabin monoplane, specifically a Junkers-Larsen JL-12, supposedly a derivative of the Junkers-Larsen JL-6, which was an American version of the Junkers F13, powered by a 400 hp Liberty L-12 engine. The F13 was a novel airplane for its time, being introduced in 1920 as the world's first all-metal transport aircraft. Junkers had previously built several different all or mostly metal ground attack aircraft during the First World War. Their J.1 was a metal sesquiplane ground attack aircraft first introduced in Jan 1917. In Dec of that year there followed an even more advanced all-metal monoplane attack aircraft, the CL.1, from which the transports were derived after the war.

@joeshmoe9978 Год назад

@@Paladin1873 interesting! Thanks for the response. 👍

@kevindavis5966 Год назад

The World: "I think you've covered about everything." Dr. Felton: "Hold up a minute..."

@wilfdarr Год назад

"Are you absolutely sure you can't fit 90?"

@firstcynic92 Год назад

2:30. 50 round drum magazine? The drum magazine on the PPSh-41 holds 71 rounds. That's confirmed when you said 6248 rounds could be delivered, 71 x 88. There is a 50 round drum magazine for the PPSh-41/22, chambered in 22lr. That weapon is a modern reproduction.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton Год назад

Yes, I made a mistake there!

@maxkeller102 Год назад

Spittin out straight facts my man!

@edwardcook2973 Год назад

The gun in question is the PPD 50, and is a modern replica of the Degtyarev PPD 34/38, not the Shpagin PPSh 41.

@tone399 Год назад

Mark THE MAN, hits us again!

@calthepeacelovingclover5935 Год назад

It's like the Soviet version of the German Schrage Musik except pointing down not up.

@minerran Год назад

It never stops amazing me how Dr. Felton keeps finding all this new material! Thank you!!!

@michaelpielorz9283 Год назад

Gin Tonic? after having a few of those you will be able to find a lot of curious things!

@drmarkintexas-400 Год назад

Thank you for sharing ⭐🏆🤗🙏🇺🇲

@infamousfalcon588 Год назад

Russian ground attack aircraft still love their gunpods! Check out the Su39's GsH-23 pods.

@misolgit69 Год назад

using the Sturmovick they also came up with the precursor to the cluster bomb a pod under each wing held a large number of mini bomblets when flying low over tanks open the flaps and the bombs would drop in sequence covering a large area and hitting the tops of thd tanks, usually lightly armoured

@jacksmith7726 Год назад

Which is a much better idea

@Grundag Год назад

"So Comrade Davashkovich, How many machine guns do you want to mount on this aircraft?" Davashkovich..."All of them" ( SP, I know )

@gordonfernandes6873 Год назад

Great iconic weapons.. especially the PPsh-41

@Adiscretefirm Год назад

That was an epic 'hold my vodka' moment of weapon design

@MrLulzmaker Год назад

Just finished making breakfast and sitting down to watch something when this dropped, thanks mr felton!

@robertsolomielke5134 3 месяца назад

TY Dr. Felton. I saw the bomb bay photo somewhere many years ago, but without many details, and you fixed that. I did know it was a rarity since it was unknown in most accounts. Glad to have the rest of the story.

@jacobhuff3748 Год назад

Honestly this isn't the strangest idea that came from the Soviet Union but still the psychological toll of this weapon is scary.

@petershen6924 Год назад

Wait until you see how a TOS-1 in action.

@censusgary Год назад

It only shot at a 4-foot-wide strip, and it used up all its ammo in 4 seconds, but if you happened to be in that strip during those 4 seconds, you’d be history.

@jack1701e Год назад

There's an Ork Mek out there watching this and his jaw has dropped in adoration!

@Taistelukalkkuna Год назад

OI! I seez you da propa admirer of Dakka. *WAAAAGH!*

@HappyBeezerStudios 6 месяцев назад

Well, time to get a new jaw and build that thing, but with more dakka! Because there is never enough dakka!

@beachboy0505 Год назад

Excellent video The PPsh1is symbolic with Stalingrad. A huge magazine with an incredible rate of fire. The late James Coburn holds one.

@infoscholar5221 Год назад

Thank you, Dr. Felton. Fascinating, as all your work, preserving the past eras of human conflict. I know your era of specialty is WWII, but I would love to garner your take on litte-known facts of the Napoleonic wars. Cheers, and thank you.

@shawnr771 Год назад

About 15 years ago there was a weapon system called Metal Storm being developed in Australia. One of the prototypes was a box of barrels bolted on to a wing pod pointed downwards. The rounds were caseless ammo stacked in the barrels and electrically fired. It was an interesting concept.

@cameronnewton7053 Год назад

I'm pretty sure they have a grenade launcher that can attach to the standard F-88 service rifle that uses the same principle and same name

@ReikerForge Год назад

Metal storm is literally a railgun that shoots 1 million rounds a minute, and they even made a grenade launcher version The reason nobody has adopted it is mainly "This weapon costs 400000$ to fire for four seconds" and also the only people who would want it, Israel, already has the Iron Dome

@Ukraineaissance2014 Год назад

Metal storm was looked into by a few militaries and is still floating about in some forms. Very expensive though i think. Useful as an aircraft or AA weapon with that extreme rate of fire but im not sure how far its been developed in those directions

@mikearmstrong8483 Год назад

Since reloading the Metalstorm means replacing all the barrels, it is a very impractical concept in almost every application except autonomous operation as a gun mine.

@shawnr771 Год назад

@@mikearmstrong8483 I watched a video of them reloading 40mm. There was no barrel replacement. The back of the barrel is unlocked and a sleeve of ammo is inserted and the back reclosed.

@duybear4023 Год назад

Human creativity flourished during the war worlds! Covering just the dead end designs would take a separate channel.

@MusMasi Год назад

no better motivation for innovation than killing people.

@kingjonny394 Год назад

Wow what an amazingly crazy idea

@LeeRaldar Год назад

With all of that recoil the plane had the potential to be the worlds first vertical take off aircraft.

@matthewlok3020 Год назад

The sound of one PPSh-41 is already shivering, let alone a phalanx of 88 of them

@mitchmatthews6713 Год назад

Another educational video, Mark!

@nataliegrn17 Год назад

Yes! I noticed that too!

@InCountry6970 Год назад

This is the WWII version of the Vietnam era, Puff the Magic Dragon (AC-47), I saw in 69. Nice research Dr. Felton

@marvwatkins7029 Год назад

Great for convoys.

@jacobrobar Год назад

Great video on the combination of two great weapon systems!

@bigbadword Год назад

I would love to see a video of the damage this would cause on the ground. Maybe a RU-vidr will recreate this weapon on day...

@elijamatt7929 Год назад

I'd disregard it as clickbait, but then it is Mark Felton...

@lingerslongest Год назад

Almost...I was thinking that it was going to be a couple of 88mm guns !

@desklamp1175 Год назад

Well done.

@darrellwhittington4645 Год назад

Again SIR ! You continue to bring too light things I have never ever heard of ! OUTSTANDING ! Thank You Again,,SIR! 🖖

@alsanchez5038 Год назад

The French mitrallieuse concept never dies!

@twocubez7848 Год назад

“How am I going to stop some big mean Mother Hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: use a gun. And if that don’t work… use more gun.”

@ruskyrosco1054 Год назад

Many thanks for another incredible story Dr. Felton! I truly wouldn't have believed this yarn had anyone else told me this. Terrific work.

@sealove79able Год назад

A great very interesting video.A curious soviet WW2 weapon concept as practical as using 19th century Gatling guns as aircraft armament.Have a good one Mr.Felton.

@rutabagasteu Год назад

Another I haven't heard of.

@spencerderosier6649 Год назад

I feel I’m not the only who thought there was gonna be a 88mm on a ground attack plane

@leehazlewoodism 10 месяцев назад

Pretty sure the US tried mounting a 75mm gun on a plane to attack Japanese shipping.

@LarsAgerbk Год назад

Short and sweet. I like it!

@yfelwulf Год назад

Early version of Spooky "PUFF the Magic Dragon" Vietnam era Douglas AC-47D decked out with mini guns.

@caniacstevehenderson7115 Год назад

Dang that was a dangerous weapon

@jasonz7788 Год назад

Cool thanks Mr Felton

@felixalbion Год назад

The hedgehog was also the name given to pattern firing depth charges used by the Royal Navy and was also a nickname for the Sunderland Flying Boat.

@edwardcook2973 Год назад

The Sunderland was called the flying porcupine, not the flying hedgehog.

@mwnciboo Год назад

Ground crew "Ok - one reloaded.... how many more to do?"

@americangirl4410 Год назад

Hi Mark, just wondering if you might consider doing a video on the late, great Benjamin Ferencz

@moss8448 Год назад

that thing could tear up some real estate....reminds me of the mini-gun and puff in the later `60s

@zarathustra007 Год назад

Fascinating!

@bigsarge2085 Год назад

Incredible!

@TheopolisQSmith Год назад

An early version of “Puff”. The Magic C-47.

@johnmeyer4789 Год назад

The only Soviet bomber to be an honorary Texan.🤔

@JCinerea Год назад

Damn straight 😁😁😂😂! Proud Texan here. God bless Texas!

@latestepic Год назад

I love this wonderful story

@The_dude_channel Год назад

Hahaha when I saw the title I thought it was a plane with 88 FLAK GUNS 😂. This is so much better

@herberar Год назад

I can't imagine the shower of bullets down and the enormous quantity of cases bouncing all over the bomb bay!

@nghnino Год назад

The Philippines used the same principle in their AC-47 Spooky by mounting 50 caliber machine guns on the belly of the plane

@alanmoffat4454 Год назад

SAME NAME AS THE ROYAL NAVY JUST A LITTLE MORE RISKY AT ANY HIGHT😮 CHEERS Dr THATS NEW.

@gwaters8067 Год назад

A Mark Felton and Brandon Herrera collaboration would be excellent. I would love to see Mark mag dump some white Claw

@scottwhitmire6613 Год назад

Where were you when I was studying history? Best to you Scott Whitmire

@ethimself5064 Год назад

As a figure if speech - That is a lot of lead

@grahamthebaronhesketh. Год назад

Genius idea.

@rongeotom6 Год назад

A prelude to the A-10 Warthog wouldn't you say. Maybe a wink to it's inspiration in it's nickname??

@Drillz007 Год назад

not even close

@quintrankid8045 Год назад

Maybe the Ilyushin Il-2 instead?

@rongeotom6 Год назад

My reasoning comes from their ability to deliver a rapid concentrate of munition at a high amount. I still see the possible inspiration

@alanrogers7090 Год назад

I've read about this experiment before. The main drawback was reloading all those guns.

@657449 Год назад

Eons ago I read a book on the Thompson sub machine gun. I saw a photo of a bank of them in a plane just like these were.

@MrXdmp Год назад

thanks Dr. Felton!

@rigoletto92111 Год назад

The 'Puff the Magic Dragon" of the late 40's!

@tedthesailor172 Год назад

This idea merited further development. The USA adopted a saturation ground-attack concept with "Puff" in Vietnam, and of course most people will be familiar with the Warthog's notorious `burrrrp...'

@MrHermit12 Год назад

I would pay money to watch that fire.

@JosephVespa-ve6zi 10 месяцев назад

Wow that's amazing

@tihlsteinig2465 Год назад

This brings back memories.

@nematolvajkergetok5104 Год назад

The Soviets sure had funny ideas. Once they mounted a 76 mm howitzer on a Pe-2's nose. It had so tremendous firepower that the pilots found it excessive, and suggested to transfer the aircraft to the navy. But it was quite efficient at destroying trains. Under destroying, I mean *thoroughly* and *properly* destroying them. One of the Soviet pilots, who fell into German captivity in 1944, later said that the Germans were interrogating every captured Soviet bomber crewman about this plane, and they wanted to execute its crew as war criminals.

@rob5944 Год назад

Both the British and the Americans did the same, even using a Hurricane armed with an S gun in one instance I believe. The other examples included medium bombers such as the Mosquito and Mitchell.

@yfelwulf Год назад

Japanese found if they attacked certain US Bombers head on they were defenceless they put a 75mm mountain gun in some Japs soon lost interest in head on attacks one shell turned them to vapour.

@cjoin83 Год назад

@@rob5944 The Germans had the HS 129 B-3 with a 75 mm cannon attached to the bottom of the fuselage as well

@chriscarbaugh3936 Год назад

Hard to believe really; Americans had a 75mm in a B-25, the RAF a 6 pounder in a Mossie. The Germans had a number of attempts. Hard to believe the one off Pe-2 was seriously considered.

@rob5944 Год назад

@@cjoin83 your right! I've watched a couple of videos about it, a snub-nosed battleship with an armoured tub for the pilot. Not very successful as I recall. It was featured in Military Aviation History. 👍

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Год назад

A wonderful historical coverage of that Soviet weapon

@DavidSmith-ss1cg Год назад

Whew ! ! ! MAN, those Russians must've REALLY hated those German invaders. The idea of a rain of fire and steel like that gives me the shivers up and down my spine - and not nice ones, either. They would have to fly almost right overhead, but then it would be "Good Night, Herman the German!"

@thedolt9215 Год назад

Good one Mark… The more I watch your channel, the more I realize what I don’t know about World War II!

@gabespiro8902 Год назад

SMG as a plane’s primary armament? And we laughed at the Villar Perosa

@arapahoetactical7749 Год назад

They had looked at this same kind of thing with Thompson Subguns in a B-25 or 26 but I don't believe it ever made it past the drawing board for the same reasons that you've stated here. Even worse for the Thompson being chambered in .45 ACP. Later during Viet Nam, the US mounted Mini-guns in a C-47 that worked well but they still had to fly very low to be effective and those were chambered in 7.62mm NATO which has an effective horizontal range of 1Km.

@alexandersonceltic Год назад

WOW incredible 👏

@mgm6708 Год назад

Why was the range an issue? The bullets are falling downwards out of the bottom of the plane?

@jasonmaiden5026 Год назад

Seems like they could have dropped a load of ball bearings from a higher altitude to similar effect

@tomhenry897 Год назад

100 to 200 meters

@mgm6708 Год назад

@@jasonmaiden5026 that's my point. Gravity ...

@quintrankid8045 Год назад

Maybe a problem with terminal velocity?

@mgm6708 Год назад

@@quintrankid8045 maybe, but as others commented, people have been killed by spent shell casings from altitude, without the additional benefit of actually being fired at them....

@stcredzero Год назад

For a moment, I thought this was going to be 1 88mm gun on a Soviet ground attack plane. (Which would be overpowered and shake the plane apart, which is something which happened with Soviet ground attack plane development! (But with somewhat smaller too-huge guns.))

@kennysherrill6542 Год назад

They had the right idea Mark but had the wrong weapon system. 👍👍👍👍👍❤️🇺🇸

@EnduringFoliage Год назад

The new Sonic movie looks pretty good

@nordicson2835 Год назад

Another interesting and informative post, thank you.

@michaelpielorz9283 Год назад

It would have been total terror to the Tigers! 7,62 armour piercing incendiaries,even bad Bismarck would have been on the run!!

@ImperialistRunningDo Год назад

Could you do a video on Imber, UK? The entire town was evicted by the DoD and used for training.

@mgm6708 Год назад

Dod? Wasn't it the war department or mod?

@philhawley1219 Год назад

@@mgm6708 The War Office.

@ImperialistRunningDo Год назад

@mgm6708 the army had been buying up the town bit by bit since Queen Victoria's day. So... Horseguards?

@mgm6708 Год назад

@@philhawley1219 thanks, I didn't think we ever had a dod?

@mgm6708 Год назад

@@ImperialistRunningDo sorry, no.

@jantjarks7946 Год назад

I'm a simple man. I see a Marc Felton video, I click. Thx! 🤺🪖😉

@jmccallion2394 Год назад

Very interesting! This aircraft reminds me of the Ju88 and, especially, the Do 17!

@edwardcook2973 Год назад

It should, since the reason it was built was an order by Stalin to the Russian aircraft industry to develop an airplane to be as good as the Ju 88.

@jmccallion2394 Год назад

@@edwardcook2973 Very interesting, thank you!

@ariochiv Год назад

That's crazy that someone was still using a WWII twin-engine prop bomber in 1982. I guess they probably weren't using it as a bomber, but still.

@tt-ew7rx Год назад

I was imagining Tom building something like this to deal with Jerry and then it all backfires.

@JCinerea Год назад

Wile E. Coyote and the roadrunner 😁😁😁

@vcv6560 Год назад

Okay, so "Puff the Magic Dragon lives by the Black Sea"...nuff said.

@larsrons7937 Год назад

Germans: "We built an 88 gun." Soviets: "We built an 88 gun attack aircraft."

@WestSideGorilla1980 Год назад

"No...we decided not to use your prototype...but Great spirit 👏 uhh let's just move past this quickly....and don't bring it up" - Tula design head.

@douglasfur3808 Год назад

For a country where pianists are treated like national heroes the number 88 seems like it might be more than a coincidence. But the only music this piano could play was a 4 second block chord.