Fun Fact: the reason the Howell rifle has bipod on it is because Ian from ForgottenWeapons covered it on his channel, the rifle featured a bipod that was added on afterwards. It was a period correct bipod, but he did say that it wasn’t part of the rifle. It is also worth pointing out that Ian was also in contact with the weapon animators at DICE and he’s in the credits of the game.
@@darthvader9173 I wouldn't say that either of them are really better than each other, cuz even though Selbstlader 06 has 5 rounds more in the mag and a noticeably smaller recoil, Howell has a faster fire rate and a bipod which really helps on long range, so idk
As a modder for H3VR I have to thank Jonathan for finally revealing what Cei-Rigotti's extended trigger does. Being a VR firearm simulator it's really important to get the functions right and I've never thought about it being a bolt release, even though a number of self-loading rifles of this time also used trigger for that.
R Lee Ermey picked up and shot a Browning 1917 on camera in an episode of Mail Call. I imagine the DICE research team saw that episode and used it as justification to have a mobile 1917.
Its one of those things that _can_ be done by _some_ people, and I suppose the justification is that the player character is above adverage by default.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz considering you constantly run ~6 meters a second, our characters are definitively above average (we know the run speed via in-game distance tests and files)
For the IMG08/18, the German army's attempts to make the MG 08 into a mobile platform led to the 08/15 modification, which was still ungodly heavy. This led to the German phrase "null acht funfzehn", which means "something unremarkable or not noteworthy." The literal translation of the phrase is "zero eight fifteen"
Yep, the WW1 German military did not make a light machine gun really. They just put a shoulder stock and a few other changes to the MG 08, it works but not very well.
C&Rsenal did an awsome evaluation of that and most LMGs of WW1 in Project Lightening with Ian from Forgotten weapons. It honestly did better than you’d think.
Well now I know that the seemingly random sequence of numbers, commonly used to describe something as ordinary or average in my Language, comes from the development of the MG 08/15 in WW1 by germany. Nice fun fact to know
7:02 - The AA sights are the modern FPS game's weapon customizations. Referring to what Jonathan said on the COD WW2 video, it's a way of slipping in some Modern Warfare into a WW1 game. It functionally is a modern optical sight without being a modern optical sight in a WW1 setting.
Whenever we see our boy Jonathan see cursed stuff we should put the Godfather quote "look how they massacred my boy" especially with the stg44 showings. Btw that smile at the start will make us all wholesome. The goat!
The RSC SMG was in fact called a submachine gun in real life by the French, pistolet mitrailleur (PM). It's built, as its name suggest, on the RSC 1917 semi-auto rifle but converted to take a longer clip and fire in full auto as a tank port fire weapon. The second model could take an entire Chauchat magazine.
That is WILD. Even as a tank port fire weapon, I cannot imagine the recoil of essentially an Obrez RSC rifle firing an entire Chauchat magazine full of full size Lebel rounds to be anything short of horrifying.
@@jonathanferguson1211 Hey, just wanted to take the opportunity to say that I really like your t-shirt collection. One of the unspoken highlights of this series is seeing what unusual t-shirt you'll be wearing. Thanks for doing these videos, and that info on the Cei-Rigotti's bolt release was fascinating, so thanks again.
I've been waiting forever for this! Glad to see Bf1 getting so much love lately. Been my go to since it came out and the player counts have been great recently. Its a rare game that just gets it all right despite the time period being so unfamiliar for most fps games.
I got this game for €5 about a year or two ago and I've been playing it every time servers are available. I love its vehicles, weapons, styles, everything really!
His pronounciation of Sjögren was actually pretty good. I'm Finnish, and Finland's swedes (one of Finland's largest minorities) pronounce it in a totally different way, but swedes in Sweden pronounce it just like Jonathan did, so to my ear it was pretty accurate.
No it wasn't. I'm Swedish and I didn't even understand what he was saying until he spelt it out lol. Not attacking him, it's difficult pronouncing other languages, but that was not a good pronunciation.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa from the standpoint of him not being swedish. You are literally just being mean. Most people would attempt to pronounce the s and j instead of just doing the closed aspiration, like you're supposed to. He tried to aspirate and the knowledge that you're supposed to do that is honestly impressive from any English speaker, since in their language you would never even think about doing that with "sj" followed by a vowel
@@myfaceismyshield5963 As I said, I'm not attacking him. Foreign languages are hard. But to say his pronunciation was accurate is just... not true. The very thing you're praising him for, his aspiration with the SJ, was what he butchered. He got the umlaut spot on. But "Sj" is not pronounced like "H" like he did. He said "Högren" not "Sjögren". Sj is not pronounced H, no Swede would ever recognize that as such. If he had pronounced the S and the J it would had been better and I probably would have understood he was trying to say "Sjögren"
@@liammeech3702 I have no clue on that. I'm not a gun enthusiast. I just know how Swedes pronounce words and names... Sjögren is just a fairly regular last name in Sweden. According to a statistic at alltomnamn, there's nearly 10,000 people with that last name, in Sweden alone (in Finland there are only around 500 Sjögrens, but they pronounce it differently)
Im so happy this game is having a revival. As someone who has played day in and out for ages now, it was sad to slowly see the playerbase keep hemorrhaging users. It got to the point where you could only find a match on conquest with only enough players to fill like 2 custom server browser lobbies. See you boys in the trenches!
The Howell Automatic’s bipod in this game is probably a byproduct of DICE using Forgotten Weapons as their source. The example Ian did a video on has a bipod just like the one shown that was added by an owner at some point
As a Swedish person, Your Sjögren pronunciation is not bad at all! Love these videos, lots of fun information and interesting details. Will have to stop by the Royal Armouries and gawk at the firearms if i do end up in the UK at some point :)
Probably never saw the Hellfighter and Red Baron pistols because you needed the Deluxe Edition or Ultimate/Revolution Edition to use them. I assume he just bought each DLC individually
One of my buddies has a martini Henry, it’s such a cool gun. Real heavy too, you don’t realize how large it is until you hold it. The cartridge it fires is insane too.
One point on the Winchester 1907 SL, as far as I’m aware, the French actually did make (at least brief) use of an infantry version of the rifle, they’re rather rare but they are modified with a bayonet lug on the front, and used 15 (I think?) round magazines
(I'm late, I know.) Although this has been *said*, I don't think there's any actual confirmed info/proof of there being Winchester 1907s being used by the French during the war.
@@MyPS4IsOnFirePleaseHelp I have found a number of sources online that suggest the information comes from the Winchester company's own sales records, which record "300 Model 1907 rifles in October 1915 from Winchester, soon followed by an order for 2,500 more rifles. Ammunition orders for these rifles exceeded 1.5 million cartridges of .351SL before 1917. Subsequent orders in 1917 and 1918 totaled 2,200 Model 1907 rifles." - So a few thousand rifles _at least_ are on official record as being sold to France during the war. C&Rsenal did a video on the French Contract M1907 rifles here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XDgPDsja5jA.html I've not seen the company records myself, but I _have_ seen dated and confirmed photos of French troops training with the rifle. It appears to have been primarily for aircraft usage, but it could easily have been pressed into service for foot usage. They appear to have wanted a LOT of magazines and ammunition for the number of rifles they ended up ordering, so they clearly intended to use them near-constantly. It does appear however that the rumors of automatic variants in French service are entirely unsubstantiated, and likely due to a mistranslation of the French term for "semiautomatic rifle" into "automatic rifle."
As far as I know, this is the only video on the internet with an MG08/18 air cooled gun they are extremely rare, vs the much more common water cooled MG08/15
A major point I'd have for whoever is doing the footage for Mr Ferguson here is that they're using the nonhistorical (albeit understandably) variations present in the game. Most of these have skins on them (see: the comment on the satchel on the M1907 SL, the comment on the gold-plated Model 1875) or modifications fitted (footage for the Benét-Mercié). Accurate assessment of their realism would be from standard models in-game (infantry variants with standard iron sights) and in their stock skin rather than anything else. Just my two cents for this series not only for Battlefield 1 but for others.
The Winchester 1907 was indeed sent out to various armies fighting in WWI in small quantities with the French having the bulk of it at about 2,500 rifles. What the main purpose of said carbines was to be used by bomber crews early on in the war to just draw the carbine out when they spot an enemy plane and just shoot it at them. However, the co-pilots soon realized that the gun was practically useless as it does not throw enough lead to damage the enemy plane 60% of the time and with the caliber being relatively small with the .351, it's hard to take down planes and even lesser chance to aim at the pilot when you're flying at 140mph in the air and thus they abandoned it quick. There are indeed some reports of it being used in air in the French Air Force during WWI and some by the RAF but as far as I know, they wern't used anymore by 1917 when machine gun became the mainstay weapon on planes be it as offensive or defensive armament. The Martini-Henry did indeed saw action in some WWI theater, especially the Middle East. The British, needing to arm the main army in Europe with the newer tech, shoved the Martini-Henrys that they had in stock down to the Middle Eastern contingent that they had and even supplied tons of it to the Arabs during their revolt against the Ottomans and that's not all as same issue with the British, the Ottomans needed to arm their main army with the Mausers whereas outlier outpost could make do with older weapons thus they stockpiled tons of Martini-Henry and Peabodys at such areas and when the Arab Revolt kicked off, the rebels took armories stockpiled full of said rifles and used it against their overlords with British supplying them even more ammo for it on top of whatever spare Martini-Henry rifles they could spare for their cause.
Man, nothing tickles me more than learning about older guns. Lol I love seeing what the classic gunsmiths and inventors came up with when trying to advance their firearms! It feels like you really don't see this kind of innovation these days.
Yeah, press the button to switch fire modes. It's generally inferior to the other bolt actions because of the fact that you can't rezero the sights and that the sweet spot is around 150 m while the sights are locked at 75 m. I greatly prefer either the Arisaka, Ross, or Winchester Trench for close range combat because of this.
I'm sure someone, or many people, have already pointed out the arched mainspring housing on the 1911 is the A1 type, not the original 1911 flat version.
I don't even care about guns but I find watching Jonathan talking about what could be anything at all, really interesting. When's he going to do pottery, posters or pogo sticks? I'd watch it. Thanks J
I think it'd be interesting to have someone look at Valkyria Chronicles guns since those have a whole glossary pages dedicated to them. Would be nice to see a military guy react to some of the situations too even if they are just fantasy WW2.
13:10 The Martini rifle was used in WWI, I believe in Africa and Arabia due to a shortage of rifles. It would have probably been more likely to come across a Martini Enfield given it shared the widely used .303 chambering.
Been waiting for this one. Please give us part 3 if possible! COD games get so many episodes but the devs on this one must have done so much more research on wacky real life prototypes and period guns than maybe any game ever.
Love Jonathan mentioned the old Zulu movie with Michael Caine. That movie is an awesome classic and does feature the Martini Henry, though they didn’t have enough at hand for all of the soldier actors in the movie so they had to take some parts off Lee enfield rifles to make it less look like a Lee enfield bolt action rifle. Funnily enough on one match in this game I got some players online using the Martini Henry’s for fun to line slightly up and fire like a volley. Another fact about the movie is it has a very high body count, past 300 total on screen.
The howell had a bipod because of the footage Ian of ForgottenWeapons did on it. The example he got his hands on did have a bipod, although he mentioned it was added in a second time, DICE added it anyway to fit the semi auto support type weapon niche. Some of the anachronistic guns are “justified”(still doesn’t make sense to see germans usingt Thompson annihilators in verdun) because with DLC2: In the name of the Tsar the game extended to the Russian civil war as well
I will say, the specific M1909 Benet-Mercie they're showing there is the Telescopic version, which is specifically designed from a gameplay perspective as well not to be shoulder-fired -- it has that telescopic sight for a reason. You usually see people perched a million feet up on something with that thing, firing laser bolts down at the ants beneath them, rather than Ramboing it around -- and the Telescopic is by far the most popular B-M in my experience of getting shot by it. Very good gun for creating the Authentic World War 1 Experience of getting razed to the ground by distant MG fire.
The best thing about the LMG08/18 is occasionally when reloading, you might get the Easter egg of the jack in the box music playing whilst cranking. It's a very nice little surprise.
Had the Howell been mote widely used during ww1. I can see the gun attached with a bipod because if Forgotten weapons puts a bipod on it for reasons. I can see Brits doing the same in the trenches.
Love watching these. Johnathan is such a person we all look up to. He's like any of us gamer but he's super smart and knowledgable about the topic and not a total "gun nut" but an actual historian
Surprised he didn't say anything about the Hotchkiss not being able to be tactical reloaded like they do in the game. You can't just push the full clip though it because there's only room for the empty clip to come out after the rounds have been fed.
Sgt. John Basiline, he received 3rd degree burns on his hand and arm because of the water cooling jacket. This earned him a medal of honor and many dime novels about it. He was also in The Pacific
I don't know if anyone else noticed that some of the bayonets on the guns are serated bayonets, which I find really cool, since these were used quite often in WW1 times especially since it was banned by some convention, don't remember which
21:50 Nothing to be sorry for, you were really close! Sweden is a small country and it's population resembles that, so we never expect anyone except us to speak the language :) Thanks for another great video!
Thanks for the video. Since the first BF1 Video i waited for a Part 2, i hope you could do a Part 3 cuz BF1 has such cool weapons in it and imo its the best multiplayer shooter out there. Have a good
I think the Martini-Henry inclusion is based on the Peabody-Martini of 1878 that was used into WWI mainly by the Ottomans but also by Bulgaria and Romania as reserve arms.
This is why I love Battlefield 1’s weapon cosmetics; the absolute worst in terms of realism is just black wood and gold with ornate, classic engravings that feel appropriate to the time period, so you can semi-realistically imagine some flamboyant officer from a noble family using a gun like that. All of the weapon cosmetics are a mix of classic Victorian era beauty and camouflage patterns (as well as damage and blood on the apocalypse weapon skins). They also often have realistic additions like cloth or rags on LMG barrels to protect someone holding the gun from getting burned. It may not be 100% realistic, but it feels respectful to the time period, and it shows how dedicated the devs were to not taking the player out of the experience, unlike other historical shooters nowadays which often have over-the-top, multicoloured animated skins.
I know it's a bit old but I would love to see Jonathan's reaction to Battlefield 2 guns. It had many modern (and I think not only modern) weapons that would be cool to see.
The 1907 rifle was in use with plane and balloon spotters. Martinis were issued to rear guard guys who needed A rifle but not necessarily a frontline capable one. So it’s plenty possible those ones were used in the front on some occasion. Also the 1917 machine gun very famously can be carried by one man and shot on the move (Sgt John Basilone). It’s MUCH lighter than Maxim based guns.
21:46 No worries mate, there’s a whole wiki page about how pronounce the “sj-sound” and it different variants! It gets even funnier if one translate the surname Sjögren, I would think it make no sense to any non-Swedish! “Sjö” means “Sea”, “gren” means “branch” as in tree branch, but as Sea Branch would get a totally other meaning in English I guess it would get confusing! Their other strange combinations in Swedish surnames to as we like to throw in a “berg” (mountain) as in “Sjöberg” or why not “Sjökvist” where “kvist” is a smaller part of a tree, namely a twig! But it there are other odd combinations like “Lönngren”, “lönn” means maple. I could go on but I think I overstayed my welcome!
Didn't John bastilione pick up a 1917 and spray the Japanese down with it like multiple times at guadal (I think), or was it a 1919 and not guadal canal
It would have likely been the M1917. In his citation for the medal of honor, it specifically refers to "heavy machine guns", which the M2HB certainly wouldn't be used in an infantry role at the time, so it would have to be the water cooled M1917. In addition, he was a part of the USMC, which historically was considered second class within the US military for arms procurement, so they would still be lugging around M1917 MGs only after the Army would be fully equipped with M1919A4s. In a similar vein marines would keep using M1903 Springfields while the Army was getting all the new M1 Garands, leading to Marine procurement of M1941 Johnsons.
I always asked that he should react to the Selbstlader 1906 rifle, because there are only prototypes and only one is supposedly still alive today. It is basically a Luger Pistol as a rifle so maybe it could be interesting to see what his opinion is on it.
of course when he says "unrealistic" he means "in the context of a regular soldier." naturally, many of us know the Congressional Medal of Honor citation of John Basilone where he used the water-cooled machinegun by hand to defend marine positions on Guadalcanal. it IS, however, unrealistic to show it as a normal infantry weapon.
I just (literally Thursday night) placed a bid on a Russian Contract 1895. I always loved the look of the 1895 (partially because of my love of Teddy Roosevelt), but I fell in love with the Russian Contract playing BF1. Interesting timing that this should pop up in my feed now! Also, is that C&Rsenal’s “cycle of violence” shirt?
the title "Jonathan Ferguson, the Keeper of firearms and artillery at The Royal Armouries Museum in The UK" is something that i wont be bored to hear about. Has the same vibe as "my name is Kira Yoshikage...etc etc", and maybe Jonathan should use that as a proper title on self-introduction for menacing vibes 🤣
The M1917 MG was generously use in WW2 and DICE didn't added to Battlefield V. Including some few old weapons such as MP18, 1886 Lebel, 1903 Springfield, Howell, etc
