4 years later people still talk about how the .40 is dead but it seems to never change. Still decently popular to this day. It’s a wonderful round. You get decent capacity, the knock down and the weight all in one. I think it’s a great round.
Exactly the only ones that say 40 is dead are those that either never shot a 40 or those that are ignorant. Ive shot my friends 9mm and my 40 right after and felt less recoil in my 40 which isnt bad for a bigger amd heavier round
@@jhlalone360 I do remember that when the FBI switched from 10mm to 40 S&W the so called "Experts" predicted that was the death of the 10mm. Well apparently that wasn't the case as new 10mm guns are being introduced almost monthly. I think the .40 will be with us for MANY years to come.
Carried a .40 as my duty weapon for years and I have first hand knowledge of it's tactical use. Quite frankly, the FBI started hiring applicants based on computer skills rather than the ability to pull a trigger. Trainees could not handle a .40 proficiently and went to the 9mm. My agency followed suit and transitioned to 9mm. They gave us the opportunity to buy our .40 cal duty weapons, which I did and carried it on duty. Training is the key!
So I know this comment is old but I have a question for you. When your department switched to 9mm, you were only allowed to stick with a 40 if you bought your duty gun? And if the whole department switches to 9mm except a couple people, they still provide the 40 duty ammo? I don't know how any of this stuff works
Punching a bigger whole at a higher speed will always be better. And the argument that advancements in 9mm bullet technology make it comparable is moot because the .40 S&W AND EVERY OTHER CALIBER has also benefitted from that same technology equally.
redpyro911 you realize. 40s&w is only one millimeter in diameter bigger right? I don't see missing a vital organ close enough where the additional millimeter pays off happening very often. If one millimeter of diameter is the difference from harvester of souls and wounded, then the .45 acp must be double plus good because it is slightly over 1 mm bigger than. 40 s&w.
That is true, but I think the point they are making is that 9mm is " good enough" and is much cheaper with much less recoil. If you want more power than a 9mm a .45 is better than a .40 with a negligible difference in price,and recoil.
Own 9mm and 10mm. 40 sounds pretty good cause you don’t have the recoil as a 10mm. But you can obtain the same knock down power as a .45, however you can get quite a few more rounds in a 40. Vs a .45. 40 is no way dead.
What a 9 Mini Meter might hold one more round , in a gun fight you will be lucky to get off three rounds before it's over , you need to get those shots in a vital area accurately and quickly , Hero , Most likely both combatants will be hit , I hope it never happens , but I we live in a crazy world !!!
40sw also got advancements as well. When I hear that stupid argument 9mm got advancements so did every other carry caliber. It is just physics. you can put the same powder and bullet design in the 40sw., But 40sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case, it will always be stronger than 9mm and the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. g22 holds 22 rounds, g17 holds 33 rounds.
aside from 45 +p, 40 sw loads have substantially more muzzle energy than most 45 loads do. most 165gr .40 loads are at least 450 ft lbs and 230gr 45 is barely cracking 400 most times
especially in CCW guns w short barrels, .45 becomes a lot weaker because the round has some absolutely MASSIVE velocity loss even going to a 4.25 in barrel much less say a 3.5 or 3 inch.
If you don't own a .40 S&W... not even a single round of ammunition.. why do a video on it? I love your videos, but let's keep it real. I carried a .40 for many years. It is more powerful than a 9mm.
@@williesumlin7892 I like the fact that you have the same gun when practicing at the range with the 9mm. Also the .40 magazine fits in the 9mm, use it at the range, without stopping to reload magazines as often. I don't carry with the borrowed magazine in the gun.
While I respect them and like most of their videos, I can’t believe he didn’t actually test any instead of using book values. Paul Harrell did an excellent 40SW vs 9mm. In most measures, the difference was negligible, as shown in studies of defensive handgun fights: there just isn’t a big difference all the way from 380ACP to 45ACP. One big difference was in barrier penetration where the 40SW significantly outperformed the 9mm. I carry either a 45ACP or a 380 ACP, but I’d have no qualms carrying my Browning Hi-Power in 40SW.
when this guy said he had no ammo of 40 you kinda knew which way this was going...i have them all and 40 is a great round love the 155 grain though perfect for caliber
There is a much larger following of 40 SW then you know. Also i got behind on my pandemic ammo and i was able to stock completely up with 40 cal. Thanx for killing 40 sw.
You could make the argument that in a self defense situation more rounds are better, since 80% are misses even by law enforcement. But that doesn't mean the 40 should be trashed.
@@Darkpara1 you have to realize what is getting hired by the law enforcement agencies these days ( no offense ) but little women and soft hand men which both have not ever fired a firearm in Thier lives and hardly spend time at the shooting range because they think they will be able to shot like the Hollywood cops/FBI guys and hit between the eyes shot every time. And they think just because they have 17 rounds of 9mm they will never have to reload.
40 S&W will never die! There’s always room in my collection for 40S&W . Fun to shoot and the recoil isn’t much more than a 9. Must be some little dudes complaining about recoil.
Bunch of pusses... I literally have never noticed a difference. And I even own two xds mod 2 pistols.. little single stack guns. One in 40 and one in 9mm. There's no real difference.. 9mm +p defense ammo recoils every bit as hard as 40.. which is none at all.. these are auto pistol rounds. It's like saying the 556 is too snappy or something..
My wife doesn’t like my .40 because of the recoil 😂 seems like a lot of these boys on RU-vid. How is it that it’s short and wimpy, but with wrist snapping recoil?? Seems like the RU-vid boys don’t actually know anything about.40, or recoil, or applied ballistics. They’re just repeating the nonsense they heard on the last .40 vs 9 video they watched.
You didn't hear a thing Eric said. He said it's loosing a LOT of interest in the public. So stockpile if you want, buy everything up. You'll be the minority left using it for better or worse.
Personally it's really not the expensive to shoot and really not snappy. Been runnin 40 for the last 5 years and for 2 rounds less then 9mm? Why not. I like 9 and alot of other stuff but 40 is kinda my pet load been runnin the same gen 3 23 since I got into the caliber no problems at all. But I do buy in bulk because sometimes I do wonder if itll quit bein made because how many people dont like it. And dont buy it I've takin everything from beavers to deer with it and have seen tons of people kill hogs and bear with it. To me it's an awesome round. And like he said way less exspensive to shoot then 10mm and alot less recoil.
I carry .40. The two extra rounds that are available in 9mm in a concealable compact is not worth the loss in power for me. It's not that much more expensive to shoot, and good defensive rounds can be bought for less than $1/round.
Those same improvements to the propellants and design in the 9mm are also used in the same bullet in other calibers. So the improvements in the 9mm are also improvements in the 40 and 45.
Yeah, he is a moron. 40 sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case. It will always be stronger than 9mm. Also the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. I carry a g23 with a kkm 9mm conversion barrel. I use 200 grain 40 sw for woods carry not in griz country. 9mm for everything else. One gun satisfies all my self defense needs.
John Wason just over an hour ago i bought another glock 22 on gunbroker for $260. I can get a 9mm conversion barrel for $85 and have 2 glocks (caliber wise) for under $350. Practice mostly with 9mm and carry .40. Best of both worlds.
@@anthonysmith3132 virtually the same gun. The 226 and the 229 suck up the recoil like very few other guns in that size. They are both thick slabs of butter. I put an e2 grip on the 229 and its wonderful. I think the word snappy fits more with lightweight guns chambered in calibers too high. The fat 229 was designed specifically for the 357 sig round I believe. I love shooting screamin 357 sig. I ignore the hate that it gets. 🤘🏼👽🤘🏼
With all this covid19 panic I looked at ammo while at the hardware store today. A whole shelf dedicated to 9mm was empty. Found 100 round packs of.40 though. I win.
40 works, period. But lots of cartridges work fine. Personally, I like 9mm, because I learned that consolidating ammo makes shopping and stocking WAY easier for me. I have a Kahr PM9 9mm for daily carry (3.1" barrel, 6 rounds), a Glock 34 9mm for home defense (4.5" barrel, 17 rounds), and a KelTec Sub-2000 9mm carbine for camping/bugout bag (16" barrel, 33 rounds), and its great I only need to worry about one ammunition type and two of them can share magazines and suppressors to boot, and that's just practical. 9mm is also inexpensive to plink, and available everywhere.
Same here .357 was my favorite. Looking for a revolver and came across police trade in Glocks for less than no-name revolvers. Would rather have a $300 used Glock than a new $300 generic revolver with mixed reviews. Plus, if you reload you can get the 40 very close to the 10mm and .357. Just look up data for Longshot. The only advantage for 10mm is you can run heavier bullets. The only advantage for 357 is better down range trajectory.
Liked it in the beginning. Now im getting into the .40 even more for a utility cartridge. I'm a 10mm primarily but the 40 shines far above the 9mm in my humble opinion. Not insulting the 9, but their are better choices.
Blue-Collar Gaming same here In LA. This whole video isn’t even mentioning our struggles, lol. Also, the same for my XD40 or XD9 same price came with 5mags & funny cause everyone was on the same sale buying the 9mm while I’m thinking it’s 10 to a mag no matter the cal which killed me wanting a 9mm. I went with the 40
There is a lull in the market, caused by the myth that it’s a dead cartridge due to the FBI switching back to 9x19 for logistical reasons. If you run the numbers, .40 S&W does exactly what it was designed to do, 9mm velocity, .45 Muzzle energy, with mid range bullet weights, and roughly 30% better performance than 9x19. With a minimal reduction in ammo capacity, in a small frame pistol. Think Glock 19 vs 23, and the 15+1 vs 13+1 capacity. I’m a big bore guy for life. .40 or .45 are my carry rounds unless I’m on the job where I carry .357 Sig, but if I get into competition shooting, 9x19 makes the most sense unless I want to run majors. 9x19 is absolutely enough cartridge, I also carry a 9mm Browning pocket pistol from time to time. But anyone claiming 9mm performs “just as well” as .40 or .45 is sorely mislead, and likely already heavily invested in the 9mm life.
You also have to ask yourself, does 9mm perform just as well.. at what? With 9mm, you don't get the same muzzle energy, with similar grain weights you don't get the same velocity, and you don't get the same diameter projectile. So far, it's looking like 9mm simply does not stack up. Yes, you generally get more capacity, and you don't get quite as much recoil, but what are we carrying these things for? It's probably wise to check out real world statistics on rates of failure to immediately incapacitate in civilian/police defensive situations. In Greg Ellifritz' study titled "An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" we see that 9mm and .40 S&W both fail to incapacitate 13% of the time. .40 S&W is about 5% more likely to incapacitate with 1 shot to the head/torso, but it seems reasonable to argue that incapacitation=success. Based on that metric and that metric alone, it's perfectly accurate to say 9mm is just as good as .40 S&W. Seeing as 9mm is cheaper, I can shoot a little better with it, I get more rounds, and the round is no less likely to do its job, I carry a 9mm and feel good about it.
Ever since we worked on a guy shot pointblank 9 times with a 9mm no exits and was still sitting up talking to us I decided 40cal was a better round than 9mm. I love my 40 S&W!
.40 S&W is my favorite caliber,and is my #1 go to round. Faster than a .45 more punch than a 9mm whats not to like? Years ago while debating what type of firearm to buy as my first pistol I came across an odd situation at my work that made my mind up for me. The hospital I worked at was county affiliated so prisoners were brought there when injured. Anyway we received one suspect that had 6 officers guarding him. Turned out he was a high level MS13 member that had just had a shoot out with the Police. He was shot and hit by no less than 14 9mm rounds. Yet was sitting up talking as if it was just another day. He even had a wound that went through his hand and struck him square in the forehead as he tried to shield himself, but the round(9mm) did not penetrate and kill him. I decided right then and there .40sw was the way to go for me. This is a true story, when I asked one of the officers what happened he just nodded to his partner and said someone needs to go practice at the range more.
Poparod Cassidy I think people may eventually end up using .40 again your story tells that. Velocity can have devastating effects but in that guys case the bones in his hand took out enough velocity of the 9mm that it couldn't crack his skull, now for the case of future trolls that will surely come that will down play what I've said up to now .45 is a bone crusher and .40 has more mass than 9mm so obviously will carry that mass further, not as far as the .45 but it will get the job done.
Its not about how many. Its about where. Bullet hits his hand, it lost energy and the forehead is stronger than you think, its the worst place to shoot someone in the head. However, the .40 will travel deeper and hit harder but if it misses vitals then you're in the same boat as the 9.
Odd calibers that are expensive or hard to find,no thx. Although the CZ 52 in 7.62x25 is a bad ass looking little pistol when you can find them. I remember when they came onto the surplus market you could get one for under 100 bucks,now they go for 325-400+ when you can find them.
If anyone remembers when Sig came out with the P229 in .40 S&W it was in a lot of law enforcement holsters. Like A LOT! When we shot 40 next to a 9mm the 40 was more of a gentle push in the 9 mm was a snap. We used the Sig P229 in .40 & the Sig P228 at the time in 9mm. Both the same size guns and I was more accurate with the .40. All it gets down to is personal preference at the end of the day. I’ve got both & I shoot both.
I own a police trade-in P229 in .40. And I love the thing. I agree it's more of a push than a snap. Even though the recoil force may be greater its delivery isn't as sharp.
Due to the fact that most gunfights are over in a few seconds, I prefer the knockdown/stopping power of the .40 over the 9mm. Also, I have large hands, and I find the .40 to be a very comfortable round to shoot. As with any caliber, proficiency comes with practice, and so does confidence in your weapon's performance and accuracy. I cut my teeth shooting the 1911 .45, and the .40 recoil is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm. I love the 9mm for plinking at the range...BUT! For me, in a life and death situation - where one round needs to be able to stop the threat - I'm much more confident using the .40 over the 9mm.
“It’s a little snappy” says the guy who doesnt own a 40. That's funny. "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal. I'm not a 40 Cal guy," but here's my unbiased opinion of a round I don't have in a pistol that I don't own. I love how you 40 haters keep trashing it. Keep doing it. 40 is plentiful. 40 has become much cheaper. 40 is not dead, it is very much alive. I have a lot of pistols, chambered in everything from 22lr to 45acp. My absolute favorite pistol is my Springfield XD 40 subcompact. It goes everywhere with me. If I ever have to use it I honestly doubt the person on the other end will have time too say, "No. You cannot shoot me with a 40. 40 is dead, bruh."
Michael I couldn't agree with you more. Although I own everything from a 9 to .45 ACP, my EDC for the past 27 years has been a Glock 23 .40 S&W. I bought a second generation G23 in 1993 and kept it until a year ago when I traded it in for a 4th generation G23. A 9mm never even entered into my thoughts.
I stopped watching after "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal." Definitely an unqualified opinion. I own, shoot, and carry everything from .380 to .45 (including 10mm) and they all have their purpose. Obviously shot placement and ammunition selection are important. I mostly carry a G27 in 40 S&W and have better shot placement than I do with 9mm, because I've trained for it. Follow up shots are a little slower with 40 S&W, but chances are you won't need a follow up shot!
Gary Blevins most Glocks have the ability to swap barrels from 40 to 9mm this is why many do by a 40 cal. Fyi last shortage the 40 cal was still available. I shoot 40 and 45acp aswell as 460 Rowland. The most important factor is accurate placement regardless of how eveybody has to HYPE OF WHATS BEST. Eric never ever mentioned the 960 Rowland which is a 9mm of riods that can fire 9mm and 960. My 460 Row fires 45 acp 45 cap plus p. And 460. Check out Mr. Gunslingers channel on this.
FOR SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYONE BAD MOUTH THE 40 SW 9MM I'VE GOT 3 OF THEM AND I LOVE THEM, BUT IF I WANT HOME PROTECTION I'LL GRAB MY 40 SW WITH A MAG OF 17 ROUNDS EVERY TIME. FOR A COYOTE OR A MAN. AND YES I SAID 17 ROUNDS I8 ROUNDS WITH 1 IN THE PIPE. BUT I'VE GOT 17 ROUND 9MM AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST THE ROUNDS,,, ITS THE KICK ASS PENATRATING POWER OF THE 40 SW.
Gary FNS makes a better 40 caliber then the Glock 23. You should try it. Shoots much smoother then the Glock. My G23 collects dust now that I carry my FNS 40.
I’ve taken a number of deer with my 40. They laugh at 9mm jelly beans. Besides when it comes to critical time, if your first two shots aren’t good your last two just get more dangerous
Not very professional. Old news, or, more accurately, old opinions. Anybody who shoots 9 mm, .40 and .45 regularly more or less in the same quantities (reloading strongly suggested) knows .40 has no practical disadvantages and is more performant than 9 mm, regardless of alleged bullet technology improvements. My reloads in .40 are actually milder than my 9 mm. The comparison with .45 is more complex but typically the convenience to carry is higher with .40. Bashing .40 is just a stupid trend of the last years with no true technical point in it.
Everything that applies to the 9mm also applies to the 40sw especially if you are a reloader. Keep your forties and start reloading some really good ammo.
Interesting. There is a good article written by Bob Campbell in the ConcealedCarry called "OLD FRIEND" Don't neglect the 40. My first firearms where an S&W model 10 revolver and a Mossberg 12 Gauge. At the time when I was looking for a semi-auto handgun, everyone was buying all of the 9mm ammo and I ended up with an S&W full-size .40cal and a Springfield XD. And here we are again with all that's going on in the world, 9mm ammo is difficult to find and what do you think will happen this November? I no longer have a desire to own a 9mm. 40 cal and 357magnum are my personal defense choices.
@Simo actually the prices of 10mm ammo isn't all that bad since the caliber is becoming more popular. I can get a 50 round box of S&B 180 grain 10mm for around $17 where I live.
@Simo 10mm is definitely one hell of a round. It is one of the most powerful semiauto rounds out there with some very impressive ballistic performance. Some of the hotter 10mm rounds are capable of hitting on the low range of .41 magnum. Also if you watch some of the ballistic gel testing both .40 S&W and big brother 10mm expand quite well compared to other calibers.
@@Skinnymoose Ummm No. Wrong tool for the job. You missed the point. For 2 legged animal defence 9mm and 40 can be close in 3 key attributes, round count, recoil, and energy/terminal ballistics. I can control both equally well for follow up shots, and I'll give up 2 rounds for more energy and superior ballistics of the 40. IF I were defending against a Kodiak bear I would take my S&W 500 5 rounds over my Delta Elite 8 rounds of 10mm even though the 500 is much harder to control.
I think the point is: IF power is your preference...why not 15 rounds of 10mm? Or even .357sig. But when it comes to the standard 3 (9mm .40 .45) there isn't enough difference to negate the cons of the .40
40sw is definitely a dead caliber. Nobody should ever use it again. If you want to sell your guns at fire sale prices, I will reluctantly take them from you.
Hell yeah! I bought a USP for $389 thanks to the .40 hate. I like 9mm fine but I'm sick of people acting like .40 is weak. Compared to 10mm, yeah it's weaker. But compared to 9mm, no it's not. I don't follow the crowd especially in regards to dumping .40 for 9mm. 9mm is great, but .40 edges it out IMO. I always laugh when I here "9mm+p+ is just as good as .40!" But then hitch about . 40 being snappy and hard on guns. What the heck is +p+ doing? Anyhow, take care.
@@tanman7879 if you reload, everything's cheaper and always available. And as a bonus you don't have to wait in line at a sporting goods store for 20 mins during a pandemic only to have a sales associate come out and tell the line they're out of out of 9mm.
The Double tap (outdated) and Now the Controlled pair are used IN TRAINING. It teaches proper recoil managed follow up shooting and target transitions AT MINIMUM EXPENSE. SOP calls for 1 shot on each present target within your FoF then "burndown" in reverse order. 1 target in your FoF calls for immediate "burndown" (5 shots min). Ancoring shots (mercy shots) being the 3rd and final target sweep administered in a multiple target environment.
Also, SOF units are the only front echelon personnel that are issued pistols. Even Officers in conventional combat units are required to carry the M4 carbine. So either a Soldier qualifies with the M9 Berretta only once ever in AIT. Or trains constantly and requalifies every deployment cycle with a G19(now) or the prior issued Sig 226.
Clown: that’s because you had to use FMJ standard ammo. But Ashe saison this video you didn’t watch, the reason the 9mm has made a comeback is because of the new bullet designs and propellants that make it much more effective than the older cartridges.
I can keep the same course scores regardless of using 9mm or .40SW. Both calibers have defensive loads that achieve 18" of penetration. It all comes down to cost, mag cap and barrel wear.
@@MeridianPanther I agree with you, sometimes you have to try different ammo to find the best one for you and you gun, lucky my 40 SDVE eats anything I put through it but I chooses WWB 180 grain JHP'S for my personal protection because it is ( to me ) the best one , and I say again ( TO ME ) every one else can use whatever they want to.....
I’ve been learning to tune out some of these guys and their opinions. Learn and take what you want or what helps you. If you’re buying a 40 S&W chambered pistol, just go for the longer barrel if you can. I’m not getting rid of any of my 40 cal pistols even if all US LE agencies get rid of them. Enjoy your shooting.
@@jaimeroman2406 Exactly this horse has been beaten to death , bought 9 mm 's back in the 80 's , 1st glock .40 in 95 {glock 23} , i dont buy trends , but i do love scooping up the deals that abound due to swings of the sheeple , 9 has advanced in technology , and so has .40 , carry on .
I reload 10mm and 40sw and have a number of guns chambered in both. Absolutely love both of these rounds! I agree with TrustinMyGat, “How he gonna talk 40 n not have a 40 bullet or gun”
You can compare the specs of the guns/rounds without owning one. There is metric tons of data out there to support any argument you want to argue for and against the .40.
I personally own a 40cal glock 22 for self defense not snappy in my hands at all and I'm 5'7 180 pounds and 40 has better velocity and more stopping power correct me if I'm wrong? Why was that not said unless I missed thatmm
The minimal improvement in energy is negated by the fact that it is much easier to make repeated fatal hits with a 9mm. Handgun rounds are all very underpowered and all that really matters is shot placement not power.
Trevor Meredith I partly agree brother I get what your putting put there but the stopping power if the first shot with the 9 doesn't put it down I'll half to take a follow up shot as to the 40 more power less chance of me having to shoot again they both have pros and cons but I side with the 40 9mm is a good round but I feel safer with a 40cal
The effect of the projectile on stopping a deadly threat relies on the penetration depth and expanded diameter not the muzzle energy. Stopping power is a myth.
Just bought a 40 cal... And I'm a bit confused as to why 9mm ammo can make such drastic improvements while 40 caliber ammo cannot. Non sequitur. The 40 is a better round.
The 40 has seen just as many improvements as 9 has. The same new, improved bullets and powders go into 40 as in 9mm, if they will work in the 9. The 40 has improved as well but the 9 used to be so ineffective that it has gone up in effectiveness more than the 40. If you buy premium self defense 9mm and regular 40 hollow point then both rounds are very similar, but if you turn around and buy premium 40 ammo it steps out ahead again. I like both Hornady Critical Defense or Critical Duty or Remington Golden Saber. If you haven't seen it, search for Paul Harrell's video on 9mm vs. 40 s&w and see just how effective each round is on a human analogue made of meat. Very good information.
Mrgunsngear Channel you should still do it, but a more complimentary video of the .40. It'll make us .40 guys happy and still get a bunch of other people telling you you're wrong :)
Ya, good to get different opinions, even if they are the same. But I doubt a bunch of youtuber's saying they don't prefer 40cal will kill that caliber. It has a well deserved reputation for being a fight stopper. In fact, it kinda makes me want to go buy a FNS-40 or maybe a CW40.
You should still do it. You should touch on the fact that alot of guys that like 40. can also get 9mm and 357sig. drop in barrels for some of the 40. pistols out there. 3 calibers in one gun is awesome.
I still like my Glock 23, but I respect your position. I reload, so ammo is relatively cheap for me. I also like that my Glock 23 can shoot 9mm and 357 Sig with only a barrel change. I couldn't afford lots of sidearms when I started, so I got one I could practice with at the range and carry concealed. Everyone has their reasons for their choices. Keep up the good work.
As a deputy I’ve carried 9mm in every dept I’ve worked at . However I qualified at the academy with a 40 cal , my personal truck gun is a m&p 40 . Here lately I’ve been moving to 9mm because it’s holds more rounds and has less recoil. I can put more rounds on target with my glock 17 9mm than I can with my m&p 40cal . I also switched to a 9mm m&p shield for my daily concealed carry.
Doesn't own a 40, doesn't like 40 and doesn't own a single gun chambered in 40......lectures us for over 20 minutes on why it's dead. I have owned g23 and 27, I don't csre for 40....I like 9mm and 45 acp, but I'm not telling you that 40 is dead....there are plenty of folks who love 40. Is it dead? No
The difference in price between the 40 and 9 ammo in my area is less than 2 dollars a box.. And typically the 40s are on sale at the same price or cheaper... So I will stick with my Glock 27 40 cal...
Yes up to last week,I have had 0 problem finding 40 SW ammo...bought a box every pay...I'm sitting pretty good now compared to my 9mm and 38 Special...so glad I have one
That is a pretty good point. I like 9mm... I have several 9mm Glocks and one Kahr, but it might be wise to get .40 uppers for them just in case that's the only ammo available. Not likely, and I have reloading dies for both calibers, so even less so, but as we say, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I have a Ruger sr9c, sr40, and sr45. Of those 3 in same configuration, I shoot the .40 the best. I feel very comfortable with it and really can't feel much recoil difference. I guess maybe I'm just not that sensitive to it.
Or buy 1 pistol, ammo by the case not the box and training courses. Trust me, in a gunfight by the time you need to mag change there will be another gun laying on the ground, without training and good tactics it'll be yours.
I keep seeing from stores, reading articles, etc.there are improvements in 9mm ammo. This first of all makes the suggestion it was needed for quite sometime. But also wont we potentially get the same boost in the 40 with the better technology? Is that being done?
Just watched it. Great video and well thought out. I agree, the .40 is not dead. Nothing against IV8888, but live demonstrations with well thought out conclusions will beat opinionated talk (and not even having a .40 round present) any day!
Yeah he is clearly biased against the 40 SW. "Never owned one, never will" well good for you Eric. Physics doesn't lie. 40 either gives way more velocity with the same weight bullet, or the same velocity with a 40-50% heavier bullet. With a capacity decrease of 1-2 rounds (in a high-capacity set up) And if you can't take the recoil, shoot .22lr. It's laughably obvious that someone is really trying to sell 9mm
I agree. As a guy who doesn't even own a .40 and probably never will, I think too many people are/were eager to jump on the .40 hate bandwagon. It does its job just fine.
@@SaftonYT I'm fine with either one. I sometimes carry fmj,sometimes jhp. At this time, my Glock 23 on my side has Winchester 180 white box jhp in the mag. On my other side is an extra mag. Loaded with 180 fmj. I have no doubt either load will do just fine if I do my part.
Considering in CA where magazine capacity is limited, you want rounds that maximize stopping power rather double or triple tap, IMO. But, that requires more shooter discipline.
Did he say significantly more recoil? C'mon, what's the first thing someone buying a 9mm does? They purchase +p ammo , which in my experience feels very similar in recoil to the standard velocity 40. Then why not take the larger, more efficient projectile in the first place?
dan kinsler I have shot both .40 and 9mm +p out of the same gun, my Glock 27, my carry gun; and there is no comparison. The +p is a little bit harsher than 115 range fare ammo, but still nowhere near the .40 ammo. The day .40 died for me was when I realized that my 27 kicked more than a 10mm Glock 20.
@@509Gman Or maybe use your brain and realize that the glock 27 is much smaller than a glock 20 so its gonna kick more. I dont know what ammo you used but a lot of factory 10mm is underpowered.
That's the trouble, the first thing they should buy is a case of ball ammo and a training course. I'll take an ounce of tactics over a pound of tool anyday of the week.
Tim's bias against .40 is undisputed. In one 10mm video he demonstrates controllable follow-up shots, and in later (I think written) comments he explains how hard it is to get controllable follow-ups from a .40. I mean which is it?
We adopted the .40 S&W in early 1996. We did not choose the 180 grain, but rather the 155 grain JHP. The thinking was that a semi-auto duty round should be equivalent to our .357 Magnum 158 grain service load. We found that all 155 and 165 JHP's exceeded Mach One which was the threshold for good JHP projectile function. Our issue .40 S&W round was an across the counter 155 grain JHP @~ 1150 fps. Since that time projectile development has effectively brought the velocity efficiency threshold down to a lower value. The 155 grain JHP S&W served us well. We did receive calls from various police departments in regards to the 155 grain’s performance becasue the 180 grain JHP .40 S&W was not performing well. A local sheriff’s department was issuing 155 grain Gold Dot and in one year experienced 3 one shot stops and one multiple shot stop. Their was an mistake made in ordering .40 and they ended up with a 180 grain Gold Dot. Shortly thereafter a female deputy was fighting for control of her Glock 22 and was able to fire three shots into her attacker's chest at just short of contact distance. The attacker ran 50 yards and sat down against a tree. When her backup arrived the subject complained that he was having trouble breathing. When EMS arrived he was no longer breathing. That armed encounter worked out well, but what if he hadn’t run off and had continued fighting for her sidearm? It could have really turned out badly.
I’ve seen plenty of gen 2 & gen 3 glock 22s that are beat to hell still running like a new pistol at police qualification ranges. I’ve had new women shooters shot my g22 and loved it. 10mm short is not dead.
I watched this video last year and found it very informative. Looking at LEO trade in 40s brought me back. The thought of a sub $350 Sig/Glock/S&W makes that trade-in firearm so tempting!
