I had a 500 VCore 4 in my early bird cart, but waited until I could see one in action. Now it is gone, but am glad to see your video. I have a 500 and a 400 Vcore 3 and what I can see there will be no way to upgrade them to the Vcore 4 - everything has changed. It looks like they addressed all of the weaknesses in the 3 and made the changes in the 4. Looks like a good machine, I agree that the BTT Kraken would be a good replacement for the Octopus for just a little extra. It would be a good option and should be included in the new version of RatOS
Absolutely awesome content, thanks Nero! I’m super excited to get my early bird 500mm hybrid kit delivered and I can’t wait for the IDEX kit to be officially released.
I’ve read about the Nevermore devices but haven’t seen any real data on how effective they are ? Like actual particle measure testing on how effective they are. Looks like a great machine
Definitely liking the upgrades they've brought to the table. Sure hope one can get panels with the kits this go-around, as that was something there was a lot of contention about in the past.
They're still not shipping the panels, those are self sourced. Reason being it's a shipping nightmare. HOWEVER! Panels are now rectangular and just needs a few holes drilled with a jig, so much cheaper and easy to self source locally!
That V Core 4 is looking hot. I wonder what chamber temps it can hold reasonably, because while no tool changer, with that IDEX setup, I could see that being a really nice printer solution maybe slapping on an ercf for multi color and then your special material on the other extruder.
All electronics (except motors and potentially toolboard, obviously) are outside in the box presented in the video. You may want to skip the toolboard when going for 80-100C (or look for one made for those operating temperatures). You also want to upgrade to gates EPDM belts, otherwise you should be good to go :)
@@vim55k The V-Core 4 is a highly modifiable DIY printer, you can do whatever you want with it. Toolboard or no toolboard, RatOS doesn't care, neither does the toolhead :)
@@miklschmidt thanks. Good to know. Is it even possible without the toolboard?? I liked that v4 fullfilles most of the wishes including that fast new probe. Would prefer to tinker less.
I got my eye on ratrig, Im not sure if I'm going to get one juat yet. I got distracted by the 2 "nerf" blasters in the other booth in the background. Looks like an orion lynx and a Captain slug caliburn. It's hard to tell, though.
It could, easily BUT Then when your running IDEX, toolheads cant occupy the same space cus ya know....solid objects, so you still waste that portion of the bed. SO best to just not use a bed that large and spec a bed thats both toolheads can utilize (same reason theres free room at the back for the nozzle alignment camera
It's not really AWD, as the extra motors just apply to the Y axis. From my understanding, it's basically a second motion system only moving the Y axis added on top. Since the Y axis has to move the whole X gantry, it can't accelerate as fast as X. The extra motors for Y should bring its acceleration closer to X and use more of the potential.
@@ThomasS17 Yes that's quite a refreshing approach. I hope Nero does a technical breakdown of this and explain how effective this additional speed can be, maybe as compared to an AWD system
I'm not sure how i feel about the hybrid system. I love the concept but... belt tension. Corexy accuracy is already easily effected by belt tension. Adding the y axis helper system only creates more opportunities for belt tension to cause issues. I give this squinty eyes for now, just have to see what users report.
I had the early bird special in my cart a 500 cube with almost all of the options and it was right at $2000 from the American store. I did not pull the trigger and is now out of stock, I waited too long, but wanted to see a video of it in action.
No it does not. It uses the RatRig Toolhead. There was already a beta for that for 3.1. VC4 uses a changed version (that still shares the same base plate of the 3.1 beta toolhead)
Most of these types of printers are enclosed well enough where you putting out enough heat from a mains bed to get the chamber plenty warm enough to print anything but the higher end engineering plastics like PEEK/PEKK/ULTEM etc an additional chamber heater isnt really needed for the majority of use cases
You see them sold as a feature on some off the shelf printers like Bambu and Qidi machines. But those are mostly to make up for the fact the printer enclosures are quite thin and full of holes so they leak a ton of heat
@@CanuckCreator true. I guess I would like to see both highly insulated chambers and the active heater :D that is what I'm currently doing with my machine, hopefully it will work well.
@@riba2233 In addition to what he just wrote. VC3/4 also uses mains powered bed heaters, 600W/1000W/1500W for the 3 sizes. Thats really a lot of heat you get passively vs the often 24V beds that some of those printers with active heaters have. And yes, the VC4 is sealed pretty well, helps to easily have chamber temps for ABS etc.
@@efboiz5302 Correct indeed, spacious to do lots of fun stuff :) Active heater, internal spools, internal MMU (stay tuned), filter systems, side air curtains, stowable tools, etc :)
A 500 size machine was ~2000USD shipped. Depends a lot on what you pick (CoreXY, Hybrid, IDEX) and what you might already have. ~1200 to 2000€ from 300 size to 500 size
Like Helge said, when we saw what the Voron boys were cooking it just motivated us even more, i'm sure it works both ways. Very curious about what you guys are gonna do as far as software goes @CanuckCreator. Helge and me have been working on solving and working around all the inherent issues in the klipper IDEX implementation, slicing, macros, calibration etc etc. It wasn't easy, but we're both very proud of the result!
This printers are becoming just too expensive, 1600€ for a kit? Not worth it imho, there are plenty of commercial printers at that price point that do 99% of what this one does
Electronics are still in the back (outside printer enclosure) and the Electronics enclosure is included in the kit. Stepper motors are still outside, at the bottom bellow the steel plate (plate is included in the kit) The stepper motors, that you see inside are Nema 17 HT - that are specifically designed to work in a High Temperature environment!
