First time watching Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan! (Reaction) 

You even got emotional for a ship! Star Trek 3 made me sad for the Enterprise and hopeful for the next movies iteration of the famous ship.

When he says "no..." in engineering and slumps against the transparent wall, right next to Spock, but separated it is a kick in the guts to me. He's helpless in that situation😢

In a way it wasn't acting on Shatner's part. Him and Nimoy had such good chemistry on set (despite sometimes being less than thrilled with each other off and on IRL) that when the scene came, Shatner was challenging Kirk's emotions at the moment and he really did get choked up at the line.

Ironically when Nimoy died in real life Shatner didn't attend his funeral.

​@@petercofrancesco9812What?

@@parallax3d As far as I know him directing was one of the conditions he had for returning

Yeah, as a kid back then I barely watched any TOS, but Spock was a cultural icon.

Yes, it completely shocked me as a kid back then. Couldn’t believe it, but the end still hinted at a return.

Spock’s death and the destruction of the _Enterprise_ in the next film was the Red Wedding of _Star Trek._ Or Dumbledore’s death in _Harry Potter._ The “subverting of expectations” thing. But it might have been more shocking than that because it never even crossed our minds that Spock might die saving the _Enterprise_ and that the _Enterprise_ might be destroyed to save Spock.

​@@darkproseWhat?? The Enterprise is destroyed? Oh No! 😮

Oh yeah. The first time I saw this - the original release - when the Genesis Device was armed and they couldn't get away... Spock realises what has to be done. Then he goes and does it. It hit me hard.

It hit me harder than the Darth Vader revelation from the Empire strikes back.

I was talking to my neighbour yesterday mentioning this movie, mainly because i am currently watching Star Trek Strange New Worlds , and how very important Spock is to the Star Trek timeline.

The whole epilogue gets me in the feels. EVERY TIME ! I'm 50 years old, saw "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" opening weekend and probably close to 100 times since... some scenes closer to 500 times probably... and that last scene in the engine room brings a tear to my eye EVERY TIME lol...

@@paulwalsh2344 That version of "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes as Spock's capsule was launched still remains my favorite version, with that low mournful note sustaining at the end.

@@jefff3886 Yeah.... for sure.

I'm a Star Trek lifer. When I was a kid I watched TOS repeatedly and it was my favorite in an admittedly limited field of competition at the time. My friends and I used to roleplay Star Trek when we'd run around outside. I was always Spock. Saw Old Yeller once. Didn't cry. And I love dogs. I won't say I cry whenever I rewatch Khan, but I can feel the tears come up. You know it's coming and at some point you either stop it or you don't and if you don't... 😭

The one that destroys me is "I have been and always shall be your friend." It was even more powerful when Nimoy died.

The good parts of Star Trek are also when it's (unlike Star Wars) not black and white but rather showing that both (or more) sides can be equally reasonable.

​@@NephritduGrey In defense of Star Wars, prior to the annexation of the franchise by Disney and the mistake of putting Kathleen Kennedy at the helm, the franchise did grow up to accomplish things other than plain good and evil issues. That was the beauty of The Expanded Universe novels which Disney chose to ignore. However the philosophy is in the titles. As its title dictates, at its core Star Trek is about exploration. While in contrast Star Wars it is about conflict. Neither should be faulted for their core principles especially when sometime those principles have to be altered due to certain events.

Well said 🫡

@@ldarksong Well, okay to be fair the EU was pretty well, like the Thrawn Trilogy especially. And my points aren't in the vein of one is better than the other just that they're different. Also I don't think the decline in Quality with Disney Star Wars is due to the theme but the execution of it. It's sad to see wasted potential but the same can be said for Trek too, like the disasters of Discovery and Picard season 1 and 2.

@@NephritduGrey Execution will be the proper word for what happened to Star Wars under Disney and Kathleen Kennedy. Both Star Wars and Star Trek are victims of the current agenda which RU-vid critic The Critical Drinker has termed "The Message". For details I recommend looking at his channel but you're already seeing part of what the message entails with your mention of Star Trek Discovery Picard season 1 and 2 and Strange New Worlds. But back on topic of what you would mention regarding morality. Some time ago, I came across information that stated that Star Trek 2 was not liked by Gene Roddenberry because of the fact the resolution in the movie was a battle and not a diplomatic solution which were the core of many if not all of his stories in the original series. I found that disappointing. Star Trek The wrath of Khan was good because not only did it have the space battles that everyone loves but it also showed the morality that's always been display by the original series when Kirk ceased hostilities after disabling The Reliant. Morality In Star Wars is a little bit more tricky and extremely difficult since it depends solely on individuals rather than organizations. And many times that morality comes in conflict with those organizations, with that appearing most spectacular within the Jedi where you have individual Jedi who are more moral than the entire Order. On a side note, I know that whenever the EU is mention the first thing out of everyone's mouth is The Thrawn Trilogy. While it is good , I still have yet to read it, there was also the Darth Bane trilogy which should be recommended has an example of how morality works out in The Lucasian Galaxy. And quite honestly it was Star Wars mature enough to give me back into the franchise many years ago when I left it.

Sure, but you have to watch more than one episode to understand and appreciate the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship, and what it meant for Spock to die here.

Oh man... yeah... KUDOS for for taking the time and investing in watching "Space Seed" prior to this reaction. I was immediately impressed !

Yes, this speaks very highly of the reviewer. Won't lie though, I can pretty much quote Wrath of Khan from memory.... not so much Space Seed.

I did a disservice by not watching more of TOS prior, but that is something I plan to rectify!

@@bunnytailsREACTS There's only so much you can do. Your reaction to Khan did well because you got it. You got the characters, you got the story.

A few thousand? What kind of monster-size theater was that?! Ribbing aside, I treasure having seen it in the theater as well.

@@maxducoudray I’m pretty sure it was the Alexandria Theater in San Francisco before it was carved up into three different theaters, so there was a balcony section and “orchestra” section like an old time theater. So I think thousands, yes.

I remember... We were all dazed, just putting one foot in front of the other back to the real world... 😭

@@maxducoudray Until just a couple of decades ago there were still a lot of the old "movie palaces" in major cities from the 1920's around and some of them had seating for up to 2,500 people. They were heavily decorated to look like European opera houses on the inside with usually some "exotic" theme on the exterior. Here in Chicago we still have a few around but all of them have been altered into music or live theater venues.

I remember the huge backlash when they killed off Spock, only when Star Trek 3 The search for Spock came out did everyone relax.

only thing the same is space.... plus star trek came wayyyy first

Thank you!

Star Wars is a space romp. Star Trek is a space drama. They should not be compared. If you do, you're missing the point of both.

Or another way to put it, they're aimed a different audience demographics. Star Wars is more family oriented and by extension, young kid friendly. Star Trek (The Original Series) is more younger adult oriented, i.e. 18-34.

Glad you're considering a crack at the original series (a.k.a. TOS). As you note, there are quite a few episodes, and if everyone is honest here, we can agree there are some klunkers. It may be a good idea to poll your Patreon supporters for their top 10 or 20 episodes to find the top 10 most people cite. There is no season long arc to worry about getting things out of order, and only The Menagerie parts 1 & 2 (which would be in my list) need to be seen in sequence. Other episodes ony short list, in no particular order: 1. The Corbomite Maneuver 2. Balance of Terror 3. The Conscience of the King 4. The Galileo Seven 5. The Doomsday Machine 6. The Devil in the Dark 7. The Trouble with Tribbles 8. The City on the Edge of Forever (at the top of a lot of favorite episodes lists) 9. Amok Time (gives an insight into Vulcan culture) 10. The Changeling (only if you want to compare it to the first Star Trek movie) 11. Journey to Babel (insight into Spock's family dynamic) There are a couple others (e.g. Metamorphosis, which I believe won an Emmy) that I considered adding. Because I found myself considering, I didn't. Season three has some interesting titles, which (sadly) are more interesting than the corresponding episodes.

Also referenced in Star Trek 4, "Were those not a gift from Doctor Mccoy ?"......, Too much detail would be spoilers, but it was a nice touch to the glasses and being broken.

@@ChannelReuploads9451 Spoiler: Maybe why Bones had so much trouble finding ones with intact lenses.

Never understood why the original cut of the film removed the fact that Peter was Scotty's nephew, it makes the scene in sickbay SO much more impactful.

@@MajorMagna Usual trimming Hollywood does to try to tighten up the movie. Your right, though, considering they left the 'he stayed at his post when the trainee's ran' part in, for many years I was like 'why does Scotty care so much about this one person?' until I saw the extended cut and it made sense.

I prefer the original theatrical cut because that scene where Kirk tells Spock "That man's my son !" and Spock belatedly says"Fascinating" is so labored and ham fisted that it almost ruins the whole cut for me.

@@paulwalsh2344I agree. Theatrical cuts are almost always best. Usually extended cuts are only good for existing fans to get some extra detail.

There is a reason why the extended cuts were excluded from the final release. Only 'Trek Nerds' find the additional footage interesting...

I'm a hardcord original series fan first start watching it in 1982 as little kid, although there was been spin off, namely the TNG, which I like, however nothing comes even remotely close to the original series, with Kirk, spock and Mccoy and the gang riding shotgun!!!

Well, the matter/antimatter reaction in the engine core does produce a tremendous energy output (a lot of it gamma radiation), but it's contained. A ship's nacelles are positioned as they are because of warp physics dictates. The positioning is important to creation of a stable warp field.

@@Phoenix5365 it is both due to the required configuration to completely envelop the ship and to isolate the warp plasma from the crew because it generates novel (fictional) types of radiation that the AMRA (warp core) does not generate in high concentrations though as the federation tech advances both of these issues become easier to manage until ships like the defiant are safe without distancing the nacelles from the crewed portions of the ship. oddly enough; the geometry to the real world albeit still theoretical Alcubierre warp drive also needs specific shapes and placement of the warp engine to most efficiently envelope a hypothetical FTL spaceship using the least amount of exotic energy/mass.

@@jerryadams6799 _"(...) oddly enough; the geometry to the real world albeit still theoretical Alcubierre warp drive also needs specific shapes and placement of the warp engine to most efficiently envelope a hypothetical FTL spaceship using the least amount of exotic energy/mass."_ It's not really odd when you remember that Star Trek was designed by real world engineers. Classic Star Trek's portrayal of technology tends to be startling in it's accuracy to the real world.

In other Trek shows, it is seen that walking inside the Nacells is possible... under the right conditions. Usually, however, it is as advisable as trying to take a ride under your vehicles hood as the car is going down the freeway.

It's strange that the Cardassians from TNG and ds9 figured out a system that Starfleet didn't. Or it just says something about the Cardassians.

I will look forward to seeing his hammy side!

Shatner is especially great in the first season.

I agree about Shatner’s acting. It’s mostly very effective, he can definitely pull off a variety of emotions seamlessly. When people imitate him they tend to go way over-the-top with it.

I totally agree with you. It's just that once you're sufficiently exposed to what his style is like then it's impossible to unsee. And then it becomes distracting. But it's in and of itself entertaining if you're able to laugh at that kind of thing.

Generations is the perfect end for Kirk. The odds were against him and the situation was grim!

I think you're right. It got her recommended to me. I checked her other content, and other than Space Seed, nothing else would have ever caused a recommendation. Oops, missed the Terminator. Oh well 😆

Well said. And Live Long and prosper to all the Trekkies in this world today.

Oh yeah !... I was sincerely impressed with this reaction. She watched it with an open mind and experienced it without prejudice and was in the end moved by it... which is all an artist, the actors, directors, soundtrack composers, SFX people could ever hope for. So good for her ! She could have been a cynical millennial and chose to be cool and hip, but instead we got this EXCELLENT reaction. Thank you !

Fresh, intelligent and creative review. The best Trek is about the heart of the viewer, and you seem to have a great heart. This was a do-or-die film for Star Trek, and it saved it. You get it. Continue to love the characters and story, their personal humor and contributions to teamwork and forgive the writer's occasional haste to make deadlines. See the big picture and let yourself be a fan. You may just love the sequel, "Search for Spock". Please review more Trek!

Thanks so much!

It can come off condescending but I'm really proud of your great grasp of these characters. And you're so understated about it; you don't try to conjure elaborate descriptions, just plain speak you show your keen perceptions. Sharing and subscribing!! ❤️

I still remember the car ride home from the theater with my mom that night (I was 7) and discussing my fear of those things crawling in my ear. She told me we could put cotton in my ears that night to keep those critters out. I ended up falling asleep without the cotton, but that scene def left a mark lol.

Oh absolutely! This movie was a scifi tour de force. Genetic engineered humans, terraforming, hacking and remote control of a ship computer system, mind control, 3 dimensional thinking, facing death

We all do every time

Strangely enough, I get a bit more emotional when (censored for spoilers) in ST:TSfS.

Same! This is one of those films that ended up on one of our VHS tapes in the early days of VHS, when you watched whatever you recorded many times! I still love it. Pure class.

20x plz I've watched this so many times I can watch it in my head

I have seen this film over 50 times and only have seen the end 4 times in 1982 I left the theater crying and mad I was 9 years old! I am a Trekkie!

Thank you. Then I hope to see you again as I continue the series!

⁠@@bunnytailsREACTSAs a long time fan of ST myself, I always appreciate when a reactor tries the original series/movies. I hope to see more of your reactions to Trek.

Amen. Also I never gave Shatner much credit as an actor until he got choked up during the eulogy for Spock. Gets me every time.

@@bunnytailsREACTS You made a subscriber out of me! The very first Star Trek movie (Star Trek: The Motion Picture, 1979) is a grand science fiction story of the Arthur C. Clarke ("2001: a Space Odyssey") type, slow and plodding in places, but beautifully shot and directed, and a big "idea" movie. If you can take a movie that reads more as an art film than an actioner, you might well enjoy it. Also in regard to your comment about Star Wars and Star Trek being apples and oranges: yup. Star Wars is strictly an example of "Space Opera" where Star Trek is hard science fiction, but more than that, Star Wars was about making a "Hero's Journey" sort of modern myth, where Star Trek, from the get-go, is about US, and what we might accomplish if we solve our petty problems on earth, and grow up to explore the cosmos together. As you watch the original series ("TOS"), you'll see that many episodes have important social allegories and themes, about racism, for example, or the mutual assured destruction (MAD) doctrine of the Cold War. Gene Roddenberry wanted to tell stories that made his audience think about the times in which we live.

@@AlanCanon2222 thank you!

I've heard that same thing and it was a brilliant idea. Even if you heard he was going to die, now you think, oh..., that was it? Maybe he doesn't then. That was my thought seeing movie in the theaters for the first time. We all knew Spock was supposed to die in this movie, but after that scene, you didn't know anymore....

Big steamy plate of foreshadowing.

in the novels it is revealed that Scotty and Sulu both sort of "beat" the Kobyashi Maru simulation as well. Scotty destroyed hundreds of Klingon warships by deliberately taking advantage of a paper about weaknesses in klingon shields when in formation. The weakness was programmed into the battle sim but the paper was in error and he knew it. It had just not been removed from the sim yet.On top of that he was probably only one of a hundred people that knew of the original paper in the first place. He wiped out a large portion of the klingon fleet before the exponential spawning of klingon ships finally overcame his advantage.

You won't regret it! ✌❤✌

I have not watched TRON.. yet 😉

That is an elegant way to put that difference...

Indeed. I have never understood the rivalry and hatred. Star Wars and Star Trek are different entities, each with it's own distinct flavour, and I enjoy both in equal part. Unfortunately the flavour of both has turned to that of rotting meat over the last few movies and series.

The best explanation I have heard: Star Trek is fine classical music- while Star Wars is rock and roll.

@@paulfeist Star Trek is Science Fiction .... Star Wars is Science Fantasy!

@@jamesalexander5623 You think that transporters, artificial gravity, and warp drive aren't fantasy, huh? Interesting...

Koenig was so under utilized as Chekov. However as Bester he is the villain you love to hate, and he just chews up scenes.

Yeah, it was just a mistake that got overlooked in the script process (Chekov didn't join the cast till Season 2). The novel of the book tries to cover this up by saying Chekov was assigned to the night crew on the ship during this time.

Except for one thing in the old blueprints the restroom wasn't included. 1701 A got a toilet in the brig and D got one on the prints. Guess Gene liked forester so much he expected the crew to stick the rears over the side like the old poop decks of the days of sail.

Which blueprints are you talking about, Charles? The Franz Joseph blueprints from the mid-seventies include plenty of bathrooms, as does his mid-seventies technical manual. Of course, the TV sets didn't include toilets. Television in the sixties didn't acknowledge the necessity of biological waste elimination.

The whole joke is that Chekov was taking "too long" in the only available restroom while Khan waited outside for him to finish. Despite his superior strength and intellect, Khan's bladder was feeling like an overfilled water balloon ready to burst at any second... When Chekov finally opened the door to leave, Khan briefly stood in Chekov's path and hissed at him, "I will *never* forget your face!"

When Aliens came out, and before I knew who scored it, there were several scenes I thought the music was just sampled from this movie. Then I saw the credits.

Nicholas Meyer said his wife called it "Nautical, but nice" (reference to the phrase "Naughty, but nice.") Horner certainly hit that mark, if that's what Meyer told him. Another phrase of Meyer's I remember: "Star Trek had been military before, but I really laid it on with a trowel."

Heck yeah Peter did his family proud.

@@technopirate304 I wonder if he’d survived had Scotty taken him directly to sickbay

@@mem1701movies I think Scotty got confused in the lift hence them going to the bridge. But Peter had severe radiation poisoning from exposure to a coolant internally and externally. It may not have mattered.

​@@mem1701moviesHe didn't have the power!

"A very clever deception"....... Carefully chosen words. Quoting "Galaxy Quest"?

@@markallen2984 A very clever deception indeed...

Interesting!

My parents did not share the depth of my enthusiasm for ST, but part of my defense was its connection to classic literature and humanities and not just being mindless entertainment like Lost In Space.

It is clear that Khan was living out the revenge from Moby Dick but he did not realize that Kirk and Spock were going to live out the self sacrifice of A Tale of Two Cities.

I'm an 8-bit enthusiast and while I admire the CGI, my favorite effect from this era is computer motion control, I just would love to see a dump of the assembly language routines they used for their rigs.

If I recall the details correctly, the company that did the Genesis Device sequence for this movie went on to become Pixar.

@@SoulBlazer08 that's correct

Your reaction to Space Seed is what led me to follow you. So glad I did after seeing your reaction to Wrath of Khan. You reminded me of when I saw it in the Theater when it came out. Silence and not a dry eye in the room at the end. I've seen this movie hundreds of times and I still tear up. Still THE best Star Trek movie. The Search for Spock is very close and answers many of your questions. I so look forward to seeing your reactions to TOS! Thank you!

@@AlanCanon2222you know, I think that the animation still holds up, for the simple fact that it is intended to just be a funding proposal animation by scientists that aren’t too worried about giving a pixel perfect rendering. It’s something they threw together in a weekend to show to the gorillas in the starfleet admiralty.

Nicholas Meyer said that he took many takes to wear Shatner down to get a subdued performance.

My favorite Shatner acting in the Original Series is when he's not being overtly theatrical. A lot of his quieter moments, or moments when he's just being a leader is some pretty compelling stuff.

@@mem1701movies -- And it ended up being a great performance, largely because of that.

I liked it because honestly, he wasn't over the top EVERY single scene. When he was over the top it seemed to fit the scene/ situation, at least for me.

talked over”he was never a boy scout” because she’s so vein

Thanks! Glad I could show you a new perspective!

Well stated.Their 3-way discussion/argument of the Genesis Project might be my favorite single moment in the entire franchise

I never really realised or thought about it that way. But now that you mention it, I think you are correct.

Aww thank you so much! I’m happy ❤️

Insightful and intuitive for her age? She mentioned her age in her review of Space Seed as being 37 years old, if I remember correctly.

Being 49 years old myself, I wouldn't mind a little leeway there in terms of boldness. My apologies nonetheless to Miss Bunnytails if she found the mention of her age distressing.

I am 55 she looks 12 to me but, I didn't know she is 37. I apologize if I offended anyone, I did not mean to offend only express how people my age and older now days tend to be less insightful.@@Robert_Douglass

As someone who's getting "up there" in years myself I now know the meaning of "how time flies." *I have said before that while I am not over the hill I certainly can see the top of it, lol.*

Aw thank you! I’m glad, too 😁

@@SwampCritter-df4od Don't do that. My comment was six days ago. A new comment would help this channel out. Ricardo Montalbahn who played Kahn was more famouse for the tv show Fantasy Island.

That is a good movie, I like to cite it as an example of how three strip Technicolor can be used to draw out subtle tones, especially the deep blues and blacks of the latter half of the movie. It doesn't have to be all brightly colored Munchkins and Emerald City.

I really like the way they weave the Moby Dick related quotes throughout the movie - and even change them a bit to reflect the futuristic time the events are taking place in. (I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia, and round Antares Maelstrom, etc....) Great writing.

@@kevinchute4262 but it's a literary feint by writer Nick Meyer. A Tale of Two Cities beats Moby Dick, in the end. It's one of the best stories I've ever seen filmed.

There is also a reference to _Moby Dick_ in _Star Trek: First Contact,_ but it's Picard who's obsessed in that film.

The extended version included a bunch of scenes, and additional information, that the audience really didn't need. There was a reason why these clips were removed from the final release...

Knowing the cadet was Scotty's nephew would have explained why he reacted to his death the way he did.

@@WillCamx Really? Like bringing him up to the bridge? What was the reasoning behind that? 🤔

@@Tony-Plinkett That is in both versions.

Thanks 😊

Welcome coolgareth101

One has to imagine that Star Trek is a more or less permanent franchise, like the Bible or the works of Shakespeare. I bet $5 that there will still be Star Trek stories being produced in the 23rd century. With lovingly executed practical special effects.

Oh thank you!

I’m excited to explore the rest of TOS 😁

@@bunnytailsREACTSYou won’t be disappointed.

Vonda McKintyre...great author.

I would point out that such a realization was part of his arc in The Motion Picture, after his "experience".

@@mikejankowski6321 Spock was on his way to it in that movie. But he never said the word love while rational.

Thank you!

I had it on vinyl! His soundtrack to Aliens (1986) is another banger.

@@AlanCanon2222 Yeah, Horner tended to re-use a lot of his music for different movies. You can hear the backbone for his Star Trek and Aliens scores in his earliest works - "Battle Beyond the Stars" and "Wolfen".

I watched the two pilots so far! I’ll post the first one tomorrow (assuming no surprise copyright claims happen)

@@bunnytailsREACTS there is a lot of Star Trek. If you want, you could alternate between shows in their episodic order (TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent). Just soak up those shows because they came before the JJ Abrams/Nu-Trek/Kelvin timeline that messed up the entire cannon. You will see a big difference between good Trek that is a slow burn, because it was well written, and took care of continuity in the universe. All the Nu-Trek nowadays is to flashy and poorly written.

Thank you!

Thanks!

I totally agree.

Thanks!

@@bunnytailsREACTS You're welcome. I've seen every minute of every Trek ever made, but I also have a girlfriend that wanted me to curate a list of key episodes between each series in the entire franchise, so if you prefer the latter feel free to let me know and I'll send you my list of episode recommendations. :)

THANK YOU! After all the years and viewings, you have given me an "AHA" moment. Brilliant stuff.

Thank you very much!

Wow!! Amazing to hear how invested all the actors were in these characters.

@@bunnytailsREACTS for sure! I was 13 and I missed the premiere because I actually had a stroke and was in the hospital for two weeks, but my parents bought me the cassette of the soundtrack and unlimited batteries for my Sony Walkman. Seeing the movie in the theater was my victory celebration when I was released from hospital. I think i had probably read the novel while in the hospital, which would mean that the death of Spock was spoiled for me (edit: definitely, because I can remember the descriptions by Vonda McIntyre of the radiation assaulting Spock's body), but I know I cried buckets anyway. Hope you watch Star Trek III: The Spoiler is in the Title, and Star Trek IV: the One With the Whales.

Thank you!

@bunnytailsREACTS My pleasure. You REALLY understood this film and what is at the heart of proper Trek. Live long and prosper. V

Ah, I can smell the rich Corinthian leather now! 😂

@@modernrelic7092 damn, you beat me to it.

Thank you very much!

Thank you! Any help is appreciated! I’m glad you’ve enjoyed this!

I'd follow your Star Trek videos too!

"JJ Abrams doesn't really understand Star Trek at its core and tried to convert his version into action." He's on record as saying he never "got" Star Trek and wanted to make a movie somebody like him would enjoy. (He did say that he didn't get Star Trek when he was _younger_ but it didn't seem too convincing, and of course he wasn't going to say that he didn't presently like the thing he was making a movie for.) One thing he hated were the briefing room scenes, where they were sitting around a table and discussing options on how to deal with a problem, and I frankly think that's some of the most interesting stuff in the series. Basically, he wanted to take away the contemplative aspects of Star Trek and replace them with action, lens flare, a hundred rays shooting in all directions, and people getting punched in the face with attitude... and it makes me unhappy. I really like the submarine/capital ship feel of warfare in Star Trek, where each shot means something and there's purpose and decision behind it, rather than everything zipping around and shooting all over the place in Star Wars fashion (which be exciting and fun, but it isn't Star Trek). The worst part of JJ Trek, however, is the fact that I hate Kirk. He's an obnoxious, bullheaded brat who is basically a distasteful exaggeration of a Kirk stereotype/meme, and I was actively rooting for him to die. Spock was good and Bones was great, but Kirk was absolutely insufferable, and apparently this is a softened version, because I read that in initial screen tests, audiences felt Kirk was unlikable, and so they went back and tweaked things to try to alleviate the problem. I shudder to think how irritating he originally was. I honestly have trouble getting into Chris Pine in any role now, because I have this strong knee-jerk response against him due to his portrayal of Kirk (even though it really wasn't his fault and he was just working with the script he was given). Abrams is a good director from the stand point of quick, exciting pacing and keeping things interesting, but I strong disagree with choices when it comes to his influence on the story, and you can even look at The Rise of Skywalker, something he's much better suited to, to see how he can capture your attention and make things interesting moment-to-moment, while completely ruining a movie with stupid, nonsensical plot and creating narrative arcs that are shallow and really don't work. Abrams makes dumb movies that are much more enjoyable if you turn your brain off and don't think too much, because if you do, the flaws will eat away at your amusement. And he had absolutely no business having anything to do with Star Trek.

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 Yeah, He has earned the name Jar Jar Abrams in certain circles for his 'ability' to make shallow, cliché action & dramatic scenes without any feeling or depth. JJ Abrams is also ridiculed for his 'mystery box' approach to writing. He can introduce questions just for the sake of introducing questions. It can keep the viewers' minds busy with speculations that later turn out completely pointless, going nowhere. One good example of this was the character Finn in Star Wars 7. Finn had great potential to be an interesting character with a proper character arc. Instead, Finn just meandered about in the background throughout the series. Between Jar Jar Abrams, Ruin Johnson, KK, and the WOKE Narrative - Disney Star Wars was destroyed as a strong franchise. PS: Nice comment BTW 👍

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 WOW! You have given depth and dimension to my reaction to JJ Trek. So well put!

I’m happy to hear that!

Thanks very much!!!

To add to the above, the engine nacelles (the wings, as you called them) are what create the warp bubble around the ship that makes faster than light travel possible. There are two sets of engines on a starship, the warp engines and the impulse engines. The impulse engines only give slower than light speed ability. (Three sets if you want to count the maneuvering thrusters.) They were trying to outrun the Genesis Project on impulse power, which wasn't going to get them far enough fast enough.

Thank you!

Thanks!

If you do decide to watch the original series, you don't have to watch every single episode in order (or at all)-although don't let me talk you out of it if that's your plan. Like most TV series from that era, every episode is a standalone, with the exception of the two-parter "The Menagerie."

Thanks for that extra insight!