Perhaps all cops, military personnel, politicians, corporate executives should lose their positions if they are not "fit and proper" in the same way as shooters are judged. They can do more damage to people's lives than your average shooter.
I’ve always maintained that position. ANYONE who has responsibility over other’s lives should suffer the same consequences. Police; politicians; doctors; pilots; bus, truck, train drivers etc... the list is limitless!
@@StarSwarm. I met a psychiatrist that said the exact same thing. Workplaces essentially persecuting (gas-lighting / nit-picking) employees with known mental health issues, trying to push them out rather than assisting them. He told their HR people straight up: "How would you like to be put under the same scrutiny... the same demands..." That shut them right up.
It's about removing firearms from LAFO community. The government would prefer no one with a firearm. The United Nations has its own division for disarming all public
I'm a shooters union member and donated as soon as I heard about this. We need to fight this arbitrary change. Any changes made which could cause shooters to lose their firearms should be backed by statistics and research to show how this will improve public safety. This should be weighed against the imposition of the upstanding citizens which most shooters are.
It is a fact people do not seek help when they need it. "Fit and proper person" should also apply to politicians as well as judges/state prosecutors and police.
We need National Shooting Council to take up the fight and it's only 35 bucks a year to join and check them out, they have a proven record helping shooters out.
They've been taking up the slack where the rest have failed. NSC rocks. Get on them, donate, they are doing the actual court cases the rest have failed at. Unless there is lawful court case push back, there will only be more attacks on those that are already obeying the laws.
Ozziereviews you are bang on, us license owners are constantly concerned about how and when they are going to use whatever excuse to do us out of something we love ! I am going to join the Shooters Union today and thank you so much for sharing this with the community ..
No it doesn't we have many political opinions in Australian industry , many of which are subject to Fit and Proper person tests. This is a character test nothing to do with disabilities , medical injuries etc... It is a case of someone with no legal training in the licensing department deciding what fit and Proper means , those refused need to appeal the decision to a Court or tribunal. As this will be overturned when that appeal is heard.
Hi Ozzie, I applied some 7-8 years ago in Victoria for a firearms license and one of the questions asked in the application was "Had I at any time been diagnosed with a mental illness". I answered truthfully and said yes and all I had to do was to provide a letter from my GP saying that in his/her opinion I posed no risk to myself nor anyone else and all was fine and I successfully got my license. As you have pointed out......the firearms owners as far as I have seen are squeaky clean when it comes to firearms laws as most have considerable amounts of money invested in firearms and associated equipment and are passionate about their sport and are also involved in community programs such as farmer assist. My Father and I both served in the armed forces for Australia, my Father served in Papua New Guinea during the second world war and had contact with Japanese soldiers. Two of the great concerns to to Japanese Imperial army was that Australia had such a high rate of private firearm ownership within the general population, also the crocodiles in northern Australia. The current generations are not aware of how close we came to being invaded. I have about a dozen currency notes printed by the Japanese government that my Father bought back from captured Japanese prisoners (Printed in English) for when they took over Australia. They have pictures of Australian beaches on them. I concur with what you have said Ozzie.
Apparently, China has expressed concern over the number of firearms owners in USA. They see it as a limiting factor for taking over USA through the left-wing governments.
@@davidhandyman7571 How right you are David . In regards to Tyrannical Communist China that’s become an economic and military superpower, and the way it’s bullying Nations in our region , I say our politicians must stop any further restrictions or firearms bans ASAP . What we need right now is a well armed citizenry for the defense of this country against any potential powerful hostile invader . If the SHTF somd day we will need every last firearm and every last freedom seed ( Bullet ) we can get our hands on . Imagine what a great asset 700,000 high powered semi automatic rifles in the hands of shooter who now to use them the Howard Governments destroyed would be in a time of conflict against a powerful hostile invading force ?
@@stewartnorthey9447 They do if you can convince the voting public that they should. step one is demonstrate a clear double standard. Or you can just throw in the towel.
one of the reasons i just recently got my firearms license was to help me get outside, have new things to do and break the depression that will come with sitting around inside not doing much. this is scary news!
I wish more Americans understood this. So much arrogance and ignorance. It’s how all the other Western countries have fallen prey to these ridiculous laws too.
@@VenturiLife thanks for your reply👍unfortunately I've met people that needed help and they either didn't want it or to proud to accept it and it didn't end well, what people need to realise is no matter who you are what race, religion or sexual orientation it doesn't make you any less of a person to ask for help or accept it if offered it actually makes you a stronger person
could you imagine the public outcry if they tried to place these same restrictions on automoblile licenses & ownership ...after all isn't an automobile just as dangerous & lethal as a firearm? oh wait we couldn't do that as the country would stop. maybe our pollies should also have to meet these standards after all arnt they our so called lawmakers?
with the number of road deaths caused by speeding, what is the justification for have a motor vehicle that can exceed the speed limit. Imagine if legislation was bought in to outlaw cars that can do more than 100k/h
understanding mental health, i can say that someone with depression or anxiety is no threat to anyone certianly everyone has it at sopme stage. It just means that your human and the lessens to be learned are how to deal with it and move forward.
Sometimes the consideration with depression is not if they represent a threat to others, it’s whether they might do harm to themselves with a firearm!. How will it look if Firearms Licensing give a license to someone with depression who then turns around and buys a firearm and uses it on themselves? The family will toddle off down to the Media and get current affair or 4 corners to do an “expose” that Firearms Licensing gave a person with known mental issues of depression, a license to own a firearm, that the person then turned the weapon on themselves? I’ve actually given character witness testimony in court in WA on behalf of a firearms owner, who was having his firearms license taken away for not being a “fit & proper person”. I’ve heard the lawyers from both sides - arguing the points of law as yo what represents a fit & proper person at law. The thrust of the argument was that “fit and proper” isn’t defined in the WA Firearms act. It’s a subjective judgement on behalf of Firearms Licensing. The ONLY place in WA Law that “fit & proper person” is defined, is in the real estate agents act, where fiscal probity due to transferring large sums of money and property are transferred. So you cannot have any felony convictions for fraud or theft etc. So these lawyers from DPP successfully argued that the guy I gave character witness testimony for, wasn’t a fit & proper person because he had been convicted of bouncing a $100 check some time within the last decade! The judge upheld the argument and he lost his firearms license. The point is make is this:- The guy at the time worked for the WA Police as a civilian administrator, but he was employed by them. He had also previously held a firearms dealers license. Unless you’ve been in court and heard these knob head lawyers etc arguing case law, you have no idea what your talking about. In the case I heard after giving testimony by sitting in the gallery, was that WA’s most serious convicted armed robber (of a armaguard cash in transit vehicle, including the use of firearms where a shot or shots were fired (but no one killed), (Ronnie Biggs) - once he served his time, WAPOL Firearms branch gave him back his firearms license! But a guy who worked for WAPOL, and had been a licensed firearms dealer, was no longer a “fit & proper person” because he’d had a bounced $100 check within the last 10 years in his banking history? And the judge upheld that legal argument & found against the guy! I think basically shooters have no idea what they are up against when it comes to the law being argued in court by lawyers & judges. What you might think or say on here holds no water once you get into court.
At time of this post the Australian Shooters Union web page is "Temporarily Unavailable" ??? . Coincidence ??? You raise an extremely valid point with regards to people not seeking help for fear of the repercussions. I agree , with first hand experience , and support your big statement about licenced shooters being more law abiding than some of our police force members. I would add to that comment with, politicians , and religious leaders . It is a sad state of affairs and is becoming more common, that the majority get punished for the actions of a few. Australia is still a democracy , so long as we do what we are told. Happy Australia day everyone.
A large number of the police force suffer mental illness. This has been documented. If they then they fail the fit and proper person evaluation they are not qualified to have and carry a firearm. It would be interesting to get a response from the Police firearms branch on this.
You wouldn't believe the process (in some states at least) if Police have a mental illness or are even involved in a sufficient event to warrant seizure of their firearm. Some even have to transfer to different, specialized stations in order to be assessed in dealing with the public indirectly. Honestly it sounds pretty terrible - I've heard some people just flat out quit rather than deal with the process.
That Big Call was a Great call, can't count how many times recently Iv seen 'police' playing with their phones while driving and way too busy mucking around with their oversized lcds. Thanks for sharing mate, well said💪.
I have depression and all I had to do was supply a letter from my GP stating I was ok to apply for a gun licence, went through without any other requirements in QLD.
Thanks for taking the time to; A) point out the hypocrisy that is the intent and implementation of this idea against those that had the guts to seek help for their health. B) sticking your head up above the parapet to say it.
Hi mate, its the same in the UK. The other side of this is that shooters who may have a problem will not go to see a doctor in case their licence is revoked. This is way worse because someone with a mental problem will not seek help and the end result could be way worse.
Awesome video well thought out. You're doing really well and I'm glad to have someone with your character supporting recreational shooting in Australia.
As someone who suffers from CFS/Fibromyalgia, in Vic, I dont know what I would do without shooting as a sport, its physical and exciting enough to be good for me, but not too much for my disability. Im just about to start my pistol licensing process, and the guys at the range require a doctor to sign off before membership, this should be an easy option for LRD to ask for a professional to sign off if they have concerns.
Hi Will don't concern yourself to much this a character test nothing to do with your medical condition. LRD in Victoria understand this, my thoughts are when this is appealed in QLD it will be laughed out of the tribunal or court.
I'm in the same boat as you mate and its the only thing I'm able to do and enjoy because i can shoot from my vehicle driving around paddocks so i dont get payback
Awesome video mate 👍👍 unfortunately the government has lost its way. I know a few people in very high stress jobs and there to scared to come forward to talk about it due to the fear of discrimination in there job and the fear of be labeled a nutcase. There also licenced shooters. And are worried about loosing there licenses if they speak about there problems. Its so sad people have to hide it in fear of discrimination. (No there not suicidal or homicidal just a bit stressed out) I myself work in a high risk high stress job and I would not talk to people about it if I needed too in fear of being stripped of my licenses etc. the government needs to take a hard look at itself in regards to double standards.
Its happened here in Vic too bro, I've heard of 3 cases last year ,.. Jeff Bourman, our member of parliament for the Shooters Fishers and Farmers party got onto it and I haven't heard of any more such nonsense occurring but no doubt it will rear its ugly head again in some shape or form
Just gotta say Hank makes things so much more positive.! I thank you for your courage to speak out about Weapons Licensing as I think a lot of people avoid doing so because of the chance of retribution as there's no clarity in the decision making from Weapons licensing.. You are right we as a shooting community deserve the right to know who's actually making the decisions and what "Due process they have used" to have made their decision that you're not a fit and proper person and by what criteria was used?!. Otherwise it might as well be a witch hunt by one vindictive individual who's having a bad day.
"most license shooters are more law abiding then most of the police" couldnt agree more and i would also say that license shooters are more trained to use a gun/rifle/pistol then the police. (for reference i have been told and correct me if im wrong, that police only have to go to the gun range every 6 months or so, and have to re-accredited once every 2 years to keep their pistol/rifle accreditation )
A friend of mine is a committee member of a club told me they have video of one police officer scratching his nose with the business end of his loaded service weapon.
hi ozzie here in the uk the police force who issue the licence either for shotgun or fire arms are now wanting a report from your doctor saying you are not arisk to any one and of course the doctor makes a charge for it ive been told its £25 to£30 pound greatreviews and vids keep up the great work mitch
Well said Mate. Firearms licencing should be common sense. The problem with anything to do with state govt departments and legislation. Common Sense is'nt that Common.
I personally don’t think there is any other group out there that is unlawfully discriminated against stigmatised or vilified for. The processes that we have to go through just to obtain and hold a firearms license is crazy and we as a community and people wanting to be a part of it no matter which discipline your involved in need to band together and stand up for each other against all these outlandish laws and definitions and requirements that we have put on us even calling the department weapons licensing puts a negative mark against us from the public right from the start
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist or a looney (wouldn't want my license taken away) but it feels like they're trying to disarm everyone with sneaky dog moves like this, alot of people nowadays are far too soft and if the media got hold of this and spun it to paint the community in a worse light who knows what could happen. As you know yourself Ozzie having your content used and manipulated to portay firearms and licensed owners in a bad light.
I think this has been going on for a while I had to renew my licence here in NSW back in 2019 and because I'm on the Disability Pension I then had to get my doctor to write a letter. The letter had to include my disabilities and if those disabilities interfered with the safe handling of a firearm either to myself or anyone else. I don't think my Doctor was too happy about this all he put in the letter was a list of my disabilities and that's it and within a couple of weeks I got my notice to attend the RMS.
Can't recommend enough to all you guys and gals out there to join up with the national shooters council or shooters union. They have an amazing success rate in saving licences and at only 35 bucks a year it's absolutely necessary and I feel alot better having their backing against the type of thing Ozzie is informing us of. It's an organisation we really need to grow and strengthen.
Greetings from Sweden! Keep fighting for your right to own guns!👊 Sadly, we have the same problem here in Europe. The left and the EU tries to make it hard for us gunowners. Hank is adorable by the way😁
@@mickallen899 "Conservative"🤣 There are no conservative politicians nowadays. They may say they are but they are nothing more than corrupt and cucked liberals and globalists.
Spot on mate. My “mate”, who we will call, bob. Bob chose to lie on his license forms. Bob said he no history of depression, anxiety, ect. This is just not true. Bob has been treated and medicated since he was 13 and his 26 now. Having recently got his firearms license 12 months ago, it’s the best thing that has ever happened to him. It’s a form of therapy for bob, he shoots a couple times a week. Bobs doctors and psychologist have never had any concerns with it, because they are PROFESSIONALS in mental health, these decisions need to be made by them, not weapons licensing , they feel that bob is fit and proper to own firearms. They have discussed it, and they’re happy with it. It’s appalling “Bob”should have to lie on the forms which is something he does not take lightly. Bob feels if he was honest, he may never be able to own them.
May I also add, if they want to do background checks that’s fine, how about background checks for people getting their drivers license ? Anyone can seriously hurt or kill ALOT of people very easily behind the wheel. We have had horrible examples of this even in Australia.
What you are describing is exactly what is going on in Finland. There is no end on tightening of the gun laws, but apparently it is all for the common good and safety. Like you said gun owners are generally the most law-abiding citizens in the whole country, especially the people licensed for military and sports shooting. Good luck and well done on speaking out.
hey ozzie that was a great vid. i lost a great mate recently that suicieded. he was a legal regirsterd firearm owner.he had issues that were very well hidden from all off his mates and family. he did not use his firearms at his end he used a rope. i think thats what they are lookin for with that stupid proper person thing. those that have mental health issues will always find a way with or without firearms.its sad but true. luv ur opions and reveiws. hope this makes sense mate and to anyone out there with issues reach out people.
Years ago some fwit pollie tried to get all car exhaust tips mandated with narrow slots so people couldn't commit suicide with a hose up the tailpipe. They ignore the truth about 'method substitution' - if a person wants to do it and can't use one means, they'll just find another. All they're really concerned about is making a name for themselves or the agenda.
100% agree. The other problem with the QLD govt approach to this at present is that if people know they will be excluded from their interests based on seeking help for mental illness then they are much less likely to seek help. Foolish govt policy.
Sounds like no politician will ever hold a shooters license, any person who wants to be a politician by default can’t be a proper person and they don’t fit with the normal Aussie.
Look past the diabetes, what is a proper person ffs. Would a Trump supporter in America at the moment be classified as a proper person. Just an example.
Campbell Newman brought in the moral probity laws years ago along with the jail time for illegal handguns it’s nothing new but something to be well aware of
I have seen many retirees and people with disabilities participating in the shooting clubs across Australia. Those activities providing such people with opportunity to socialise, to be part of the community, to have a hobby and compete in the sport of shooting. Shooting doesn't require to be fit. And that is the point..!! Those people maybe not fit to play golf or bowling but they can shoot. Taking away opportunities from disadvantaged is inhumane and un-Australian.. In regards to that some people don't care much about shooting or sport of shooting and shooting clubs. Well personally I don't care much about night clubs... So what now? Should we shut them down? I think harmony and success in society can be reached with mutual respect as well. Let's work on that...
Just because someone will knock someone’s head off their shoulders in a fist fight does not mean that person will pull a gun and blow a person’s head off someone else’s shoulders, but this man is correct, I have mental health issues but I don’t have thoughts of blowing people away, lack of understanding of mental health is a bigger issue than the health issue itself
Cancer??? WTF? What about diabetes? Fibromyalgia? Plus, post-natal depression is wholly a physical condition, it is completely chemical in nature, not psychological. I had mental health issues 35 years ago when I was a teenager/early 20s and was treated in hospital for depression back then. When my licence came up for renewal for the first time I paid $900 to be assessed by a psychiatrist for 1 hr who gave the most glowing report possible, and FAR judged me to be a "fit and proper person" to retain a licence. The next 5 years rolls around and i included a copy of that report in my next application for renewal, it went through without any further need to be reassessed. This is NSW however.
The real question is ozzie, what can us, the people with our weapons licence do to stop this nonsense for people who genuinely want to become apart of our group? We can't just sit back and watch the government time and time again change things just because most Australians are to laid back.
Never, ever tell a government department anything that you don't want held against you for the rest of your life. That said, I have epilepsy. With the all clear from my neurologist who signs off once a year, I am allowed to have a drivers licence and it is really just a formality at this point. There are rules about how long you must be seizure free in order to get your licence back, but it is possible. So what I'm saying is don't despair if you think you may fall into one of these categories. There is precedent for getting medical approval for a licence. There is also a work-around: get your security licence. It requires a shit load of I.D. and having your fingerprints taken and all sorts, but once you have that, your gun licence will pass through LRD like week old curry. At least it was about that quick for me. Good luck everyone!
I really enjoy your first class gun reviews, but when you start talking about gun registration and confiscation you scare me. I wish more shooters here in the states were aware of what happened in Australia. Keep up the good work !
Keep letting everyone know about all the dodgy stuff the cops are getting up to Ozzie. Information, accurate information, is the best way to combat these kind of changes.
The thing is now that the default position is "no" where before it was the opposite..... Now we have to someone how prove our innocence where before they had to prove our guilt.
The Cancer issue because of the potential that one may use the firearm to kill themselves, but if there is no aval evidence than how can they do this with any real or substantiated evidence? It's subjective pure and simple. The problem lies with all of us shooters because it's always the few that try and stand up for the rest, and until we all stand up and fight for our legitimate rights and logical needs as shooters, then this blatant disregard from Police will continue.
I think the mental health and cancer issue is about protecting people from them selves. Had a famous deer guide from the Eildon Lake area find out he had terminal cancer, so went to his favourite bush spot and took his own life with his rifle. I was in Toolangi State Forest two weeks ago where a man took his life in a remote camp area, unknown if he had cancer or mental health issues. 18 months ago my 30 yo son took his life with my Browning BLR .308 in my garage, didn’t know his issues were that bad, but we assume he couldn’t get over the break up of his recent relationship and a few other problems he was facing.
It's been here in VIC for years. It's a police run department. And is now connected to the general police data base. Doctors can over rule police decisions. In most cases at least medically.
This is one of the problems with the electronic health records. Everyone has access to your health details. All the things it was not supposed to do is. Public servants know everything about you.
