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Fitting a Ford Starter to a FE35 with a 23C Engine. Is It worth It?

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There is a lot of stories about fitting a Ford 4000 starter on the hard to start FE35 4 cylinder diesel engine. In this video I have a look and see if it is worth it.
Hello, I'm Lance (aka Bundy Bear), and doing these videos is my hobby. I do own Queensland Tractor Spares in Australia where I sell parts and offer technical advice to customers.
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@matthewsimkins 2 года назад

There's a whole list of things you can do to the 23C to make it start better. I think each one adds about 10%, it all adds up in the end! The best advice I got was just park it at the top of a hill 😉.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

And chain the implement up, lol.

@peterrogers9257 2 года назад

I was told once from a MF mechanic that did his time on FE35, when they were new. They would remove the thermostart plug from the manifold. Attach the wire and fuel pipe. Turn the key to heat position and Count how long it takes to burn the diesel. Each thermostart will burn at different times. Reinstall the thermostart and Count down the seconds to when it starts burning, then engage the starter. They found that people woulding used the thermostart for too long before trying starting. This would used up all the oxygen in the manifold and when it came to starting, only smoke would be drawn into the engine. He said it worked well

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Thanks Pater I hadnt thought of that at all.

@peterrogers9257 2 года назад

Nor had I Lance. The man in question, who gave me that advice is Gary Billington, who was MF technical support for New Zealand in the 70s and 80s. Very knowledgeable person. I enjoy the videos, keep up the good work

@iancraig1951 2 года назад

Lance I cut my eye teeth on one of these in country that would freeze up the hot water system in the house quite regular during winter and we ran 2 6 volt batteries and made sure the heaters on the fuel worked properly..They still gave problems but the tractor itself which was bought in 1958 never gave problems--they were mighty--did 10-12 thousand hours did not touch the motor or running gear except the thrust bearing on the clutch--square balers were a mongrel...

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I think they are a nice old engine and do run sweet, I think a lot of starters are ruined from cranking for so long and getting hot.

@davidmartin1015 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video, I have an FE 35 that has just done a fair harvest powering and moving around a field bin. On our last dayI think the starter motor has packed up ; your video is a good starting point for our diagnosis and repair.

@BundyBearsShed 9 месяцев назад

Thanks, The Ford starter does do the job ok.

@multipower617 2 года назад

I've a iscra gear starter on mine, spins at a good 400 rpm

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I wouldnt mind trying that.

@Diesel_engines 2 года назад

Parts number please :-)

@mikefoxo 2 года назад

Great video as always. I'd be very interested to see you try the geared starter on it

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I ran out of time but I may get to it.

@billweir6770 2 года назад

We rebuilt a 4 cylinder, with a full rebuild kit, some years ago and once the tractor was finished, with a little bit of heat it would start fine on a Scottish winters day. That said, I'd be tempted to fit the ford starter if we were to do it again, as we normally send starter for a recondition anyway.. The big plus for me for a 4 cylinder is that they are cheaper given that folks want an easy starting 3 cylinder. As long as it has good compression, the fuel squirts at the right time and a bit of heat, she is going to start. Those photo RPM counters are great. I set up my pals tandem engined Dexta using one to get the Revs matching....having the right tools makes the job easy

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

This old tractor starts well and after the video I took it for a drive around the paddock. They are a sweet running engine.

@billweir6770 2 года назад

@@BundyBearsShed I agree with you there and I'll be looking for one to fill a space in the shed

@iamaparanoidandroid1 7 месяцев назад

This is good to know - We have just bought a 1959 4 Cyl - when we went to view it was 4C/40F and it started after on the second attempt after winding over for about 10s on the first attempt. Having looked it over, the heater plug is disconnected, so I hope this may make a difference, once its is working....

@peterjubb5395 2 года назад

I’ve got a French MF30. A 4 cylinder Perkins engine. A bugger to start cold. I let the water out of the motor and pour in some hot water until I feel the warm water coming through. Starts first pop. This tractor has a fair amount of ware in it.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Wow I hadnt heard of that, it is not a problem we have over here.

@phillipcleaver7063 Год назад

Hello mate , in winter here the off - road blokes use these kenlowe cooling system heaters , you plumb them in & leave them , just plug them into mains electricity ( I,d use a timer ) , heat the coolant up & it should start . Just check you can still get them , that the Kenlowe company didn,t get shut ! ( I,m in bloody england , driven by money , sickening ) same company used to make electrically controlled thermostatic engine fans , these stop a cold blast hitting your engine when you really don,t need it . Best regs.

@noneyabidness6655 2 года назад

It does give options as parts availability has been a issue lately . Wait 6 months for a original style or get a modified replacement off the shelf , might get ya back at it sooner

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Yeah thats for sure,

@peadarrogers3855 2 года назад

original massey st has 11 tooth bendix, ford st has 10 teeth. I have been using a ford st fitted with an 11 tooth bendix very successfully for many years on my 4 cylinder massey

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I see a David Brown one may fit straight on as well, without drilling Im thinking. This tractor started well with the Ford starter but it wasnt too bad with the original either.

@tjohnson9051 2 года назад

I think you should adapt a shot gun shell starter from a Field Marshal. 😄 It looks like that Ford starter is a good upgrade and easier to get at least here in the US.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Apparently a David Brown Selectomatic will bolt straight on as well.

@eklein3904 2 года назад

I’ve heard adding automotive glow plugs to each cylinder is the cure.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Yes I have a friend did that and it works really well.

@iainmel1 6 месяцев назад

A lot of guys in sweden have rhe "cold Climate" head, which has four glow plugs rated at 1,7v each, series coupled (one out, all out lol) and these were a bit daft. they have an M14 thread, which makes finding 12 glow plugs a little difficult. But Land rover used this engine in early series landrovers, and they had good quality glow plugs rated at something over 11v, and they're called GAM 100 or 101. I fitted these, removed the ballast resistor, and have had absolutely no problem starting my 23c in very cold conditions...Minus 20c.@@BundyBearsShed

@jefftheaussie2225 2 года назад

The same starter motor goes in the Ford tractor range up to TW30. Jeff

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Sure does, they were one manufacturer that kept things simple.

@barryclarke3010 2 года назад

Sounded a lot different with xtra 20% why not? If nothing else it compensates for anything else thats a bit tired, these simple old machines i feel will become little gold mines in the future, thanks.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

It sounded way faster than it was to my ear, After playing for a bit my battery was slowing it up in the end.

@ToreDL87 Год назад

A starting 23C 🤣 Now I've heard that joke too!

@BundyBearsShed Год назад

This one started well and I took it for a bit of a drive around the paddock.

@iainmel1 8 месяцев назад

I use my 23c mainly for snow clearance, never fails to start on the button even in minus 20 degrees celcius. youre talking poppycock

@tomscott4723 2 года назад

I just hand crank mine to stay in shape, haha

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Ya must be fit, lol.

@stevenfenton8137 2 года назад

44 gallon drum of aerostart and park it on a steep hill

@BundyBearsShed Год назад

That would make it rattle

@asgardgeoff 2 года назад

Interesting Lance, thank you. More food for thought...lol.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

You got it! I was thinking of your Facebook question. A David Brown selectomatic fits the TEF as well I hear but I have not gone there yet.

@tridbant 2 года назад

Good demonstration. I wonder if there’s a way to improve the pre-heating.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I have one with the cold start head with a glow plug for each cylinder. Apparently in Denmark they were common.

@tridbant 2 года назад

@@BundyBearsShed some were drilled into the head around each injector for a glow plug. But a bit iffy with the amount of space available.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

My friend did that and it seems to have worked well for him.

@iainmel1 8 месяцев назад

Getting the head drilled in each cylinder is not a difficult or expensive undertaking, so if you ever have the head off, get it done! My fe35 starts on the button even in the middle of the Swedish winter, at least down to -20deg. celcius. I use my tractor mainly for snow clearance and it never fails to start easily. If you do fit glowplugs, use a common car plug, so theyre cheap and easy to get. The Originals fitted were 1.7v each, fitted in series, so they were prone to burning out, and if one was out, then none of them worked! The Original glow plugs had a thread size of M14, and there is only one plug Ive found with that size..... used in the same engine on early series Land Rovers. Theyre not cheap, or easy to find....

@tridbant 8 месяцев назад

@@iainmel1 I’ve heard about that modification. But also you have to be very careful as there is not a lot of space to drill into. Also I have a Perkins FE35 so do not have that problem. Thank goodness.

@charlietaylor4217 9 месяцев назад

Hiya lance. I have just rebuilt a 23c engine on a 35. With a brand new battery and spotless diesel it runs well. However, upon starting it is very slow winding, but when we jump it off a pickup truck with some revs, it turns over quicker and starts up no bother. Will this starter motor you show here solve that? Also, where else can I get this starter motor, I don’t have a trade account with sparex so I can’t order off there i don’t think? Thanks in advance mate

@BundyBearsShed 9 месяцев назад

Yes it will help but I think you may need to look at the size and quality of you current leads and battery . Agriline would have the starters Im sure.

@charlietaylor4217 2 месяца назад

@@BundyBearsShedthank you for your reply lance. The fuel pump has been reconditioned and the timing sorted. She started well after a bit of winding. Still may invest in a newer and bigger starter. Thanks pal

@chriswalker1058 2 года назад

Cut another grove in piston for another ring ups the compression. Problem solved. They run nice and can’t be seen.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I might check that out later, so in theory the dead area is made smaller.

@chriswalker1058 2 года назад

It honestly makes a fantastic job of them. My neighbour was the first to do it 30 odd years ago now in our area theirs lots of them done including my own. I’m from Northern Ireland it’s cold lots of the time.

@noelstractors-firewood57 2 года назад

Great video Lance. It sure sounds more lively. I like comparison videos. But what if the original starter was new. Then what. Always questions. Have a good day.

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

Yes, good point for sure. I thought it sounded way faster than it was on the tach. Every little bit helps I suppose. The tractor started and ran nicely, I took it for a drive after.

@noelstractors-firewood57 2 года назад

@@BundyBearsShed nice. Great tractor therapy driving one around.

@charleshart6992 2 года назад

Another interesting video Lance, should make starting easier!

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

It does!

@brianferguson6278 2 года назад

How old was the original starter, myself when I was young …..I started my days much quicker. 10% with new bushes/bearings, seems very minor. maybe that Ford Starter is actually weaker?

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

The original statrer had been serviced in town here so Im presuming it would be around normal. The Ford starter is new off the shelf but an aftermarket one but they seem to work well on the Fords so Im presuming everything is ok.

@markcoull9291 2 года назад

Hi bundy, I was hoping for a little help, I have a mf35 with 23c engine and just undertook a rebuild on it, your videos on tearing it down were invaluable through the process, so thanks. I had a question about the protective caps on top of valves. I ordered these from dealer here in Scotland but they sent me a pack of 4, and said the caps should only go on top of the exhaust valves before setting clearances. Is this correct ? I thought it was strange that the caps would only go on exhaust and not inlet valves ?

@BundyBearsShed 2 года назад

I think they are correct, have a look at Kevs vintage tractor restorations he has a video on them as well.