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James is fitting the spindles on the loft staircase and chatting with Roger about the best approach to building a staircase.
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@no_short_circuit 3 года назад

If every tradesman took as much care as James, the world would be a better place.

@fantasticjames 2 года назад

James takes real pride in his work. He should be very proud of his workmanship.

@dannyhogi4953 3 года назад

I all ways glue them has well pin them great job

@TheToolnut 3 года назад

The fillet pieces or the spindles? Or both??

@christophercrowle9753 3 года назад

Agree with you glue as much as possible, 18 gauge gun as well, if a good glue is used you don't have to pin the bottom spacer, makes it look clean.

@fence22 2 месяца назад

@@christophercrowle9753what clue would that be

@BuildWithAE 3 года назад

Great job James, Coming together very nicely Many staircase companies now use that new method of construction because of modern glues as your stair guy did, nothing wrong with it. Roger PVA is fine for stairs there’s no worries of brittleness it just down to the guy who fitted the stairs. Most issues come from bad prices on big sites i personally think all the best Tony 👍 have a awesome weekend

@ilunfixableli3280 3 года назад

I like my wedges for dinner 🤣 When people are as good as yourselves others like to find fault in anything and it gets boring! I appreciate and respect the knowledge 🙏

@tellis9844 3 года назад

Thanks for clearing up the butchering of the newel post that bothered me. Well done to James for admitting his mistake too, just shows with the best will in the world things don't always go to plan and you have to adapt to the situation.

@stephenwillis9518 3 года назад

I don't get why people slate other peoples work, I understand giving your option and advice but there is so many ways to skin a cat. Fantastic quality work, James is a skilled person and love the content!

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more Stephen

@mozzer999 3 года назад

I can't see anyone slating the work, just part of a discussion on different ways, or perhaps a better way. If all the comments just say marvellous all the time they become meaningless. Recently anything other than praise brands someone a 'hater'.......

@brianmcintyre14 3 года назад

A lot of arm chair experts these days! I know sod all, that's why I'm here.

@georgethompson997 3 года назад

@@mozzer999 Never a truer word said! There's nothing wrong with constructive comments. Surely that's the whole point...

@stanieman 3 года назад

The music is just incredible!

@stuglover1526 3 года назад

James is a Legend!

@sally6457 3 года назад

Nice to see someone taking the time to work out equal spacing, The amount of people who use Burbridge pre cut infills and have an uneven gap at one end really grates me! But I can't agree with your views on wedges v polyurethane glue and screws. Polyurethane glue is an aerated product, in time it will compress and the screws will break or squeak. Would you only use expanding foam under a door cill without packings? If you have to rely on screws and PU glue, wouldn't it be better to screw from the top holding down to a solid base? (Plus the fact that wedges in staircase factories are cut from waste material, saving money and reducing waste.) Wedges are a time proven method. Now let's look at draw boring towels and glue blocks.....

@Ultimate-roofing-square. 3 года назад

Nice work James. Fitting balustrades is therapeutic..

@TheToolnut 3 года назад

I measure along the pitch line of the stringer to space my spindles rather than the horizontal distance. How do you go about it Sir?

@ianthompson9058 3 года назад

I really don't see a problem with the way he put those stairs together. Perfectly strong enough and then some. Most of the weight on each step runs though a riser as deep as a floor joist anyway and nice stable mdf too, A1 job👌👍

@Wild-Storm 2 года назад

Always a pleasure to watch Skill Builders!

@michaelplays2449 3 года назад

Great video ,thanks !!!!

@dougsaunders8109 3 года назад

James this will cheer you up, my daughter (9)looked over should while you were fixing the spindles and asked ‘Is that Thor?’ Eg Chris Hemsworth? Happy, I would be

@peterbell4154 3 года назад

Hello Roger I see a comment on here why would you house the handrail in. Well you might because if the newel shrinks in it's with which timber does shrink more in it's with than length you won't see a gap also some times strings are housed into the newel also. Everyone has their ways of working the journey make take a different route but if you end up at the destination it's a gooden. Well done James😊👍🍷

@Aaron-fw8yu 3 года назад

Screwfix is always a shout to get stuff. I’m always there for my carpentry bits and I work there too😂

@pyrrhical3423 3 года назад

Depends what it is, a lot of their gear is proper DIY stuff and it shows

@vitaliyg3516 3 года назад

Good job.

@mistervelux 3 года назад

Ahh aint life grand... early finish Friday... 10 pints... Skilbuilder.... wheres James.... 😁

@PA3456 3 года назад

These men and Roger gives me faith there is still proper tradesmen out there

@gingerelvis 3 года назад

A job made to look easy! Also I job I need to face on my renovation soon to put back original(ish) features. Bollocks to the 50s / 60s renovation trends of removing the beautiful original features ! 😂

@lewphelps1619 3 года назад

When I cut the spacers I always do so in pairs even the angled ones and put a pencil mark on the mitre saw for easy repetitive cuts

@gdfggggg 3 года назад

I fitted a staircase once for someone, no training, had to figure out as I went along, turned out quite nice. Would have been so much easier if I’d have been trained though.

@alext8828 3 года назад

A customer ordered a staircase company to build one and install it. Didn't fit and now scribing fins on it. I had to build out the walls to match. So stupid. In the USA, where nobody ever heard of quality.

@SteveDiamond19 3 года назад

Looks good, definitely more than one way to skin a cat but generally the right way is best. Love that foamy glue though its been a revolution to the modern joiner and their loose fitting joints. I worked in a workshop for 6 years and on site fitting what we made all made easier by polyurethane lol

@Samfarrelly 3 года назад

Proper job!

@stevehallam6495 3 года назад

Expansive D4 polyurethene glue is fantastic but I still prefer PVA for stairs cos I like to have more time to rag the newels plumb particularly on double winding flights, normally end up with glue dripping in my hair too and with D4 its a scissors job.

@dave1secondago 3 года назад

great vid guys and build

@jaberchowdhury1094 3 года назад

Someone buy this great craftsman a rubber mallet!

@higgsy 3 года назад

Did no one else notice the ghost opening and closing the door @ 10:10 Haha

@snwman862 3 года назад

Take the extra 15minutes and put glue on the filler pieces and spindles. After all will stop them from squeaking in or rattling 👍

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

Do you think they will rattle?

@snwman862 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder yes they will as you said yourself timber will shrink, move. I've seen and come across it myself replacing, revamping stairs. Clients saying there stairs rattle. All you have to do is hit the post/handrail and it's like a musical instrument.

@snwman862 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder now I'm not saying what you guys did is a bad job. Everyone has their own way of fitting just from experience in use glue. Set of stairs are not a piece of furniture. They are to be in a house building for a long time. They are put in to withstand slot of abuse. Glue will add that.

@marlowjoinery9783 3 года назад

@@snwman862 id glue them as well

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

@@snwman862 Have you ever had to replace a spindle that has been broken? I have and I thank the carpenter from years ago who didn't glue them up. I have an Edwardian house and removed all the spindles and had them dipped to remove the old brown varnish and then popped them all back in. It took no time because the spacers were not glued.

@SaintCoemgen 3 года назад

5:12 - I had to laugh. I am sure there are some (sad) people who think that, but what utter and complete nonsense. Another RU-vid tempest in a teapot. I, on the other hand, personally find it amazing in all the ways other people figure out creative staircase design. I am personally amazed at some of the creative ideas people come up with, that never cease to amaze me. Architecture and construction should not be bounded or limited. Creativity and innovation also needs to be included in the equation. Hope this helps.

@grahams6690 3 года назад

I use gorilla glue polyurethane most of the time, it fills the mistakes I make.

@ilijadjujic5911 3 года назад

I haven't got a problem with there being no wedges as I agree that the polyurethane glues really hold well but I've got to say whenever I come across a creaking staircase pretty much all of the time the creak is where the tread and riser meet roughly around the middle of the tread. This is usually caused by the glue breaking away from the riser on the glue block. To get over this I cut a new riser out of 6mm ply really tight to the top of one tread and the bottom of the other over the full width of the original riser then glue and screw it to the original riser and this stops the creaks. If the issue was with the wedge then this wouldn't stop it

@TheToolnut 3 года назад

Pocket screw the tread to the riser from the back.

@stevehallam6495 3 года назад

its normally the carpet fitter nailing the gripper on the riser and he breaks the tread to riser glue joint

@peterhanson3962 3 года назад

Excellent work as usual James, but, and there’s always a but. I don’t like to see you bashing the wood with your hands 🙌. I used to do that and at 69 my hands are knackered and painful 😥. So take heed young man 👨 and use a mallet.

@paulbackhard6315 3 года назад

My college lecturer used to warn us young carpenters of the dangers long term of bashing things with your hands

@gdfggggg 3 года назад

@@paulbackhard6315 we call it, bashing one out.

@paulfinnonjoinery 3 года назад

ive been using that foaming glue for a while now. absolutely mint stuff. do you lads ever use those zip bolts for hand rails? ive used them a fair few times now

@tomsmith9048 3 года назад

When I served my time we were thought to glue and tape the spacers and glue the spindles it takes a little longer but no pins needed 🔨

@paulbackhard6315 3 года назад

I glue and clamp them

@jamesnoonan7450 10 месяцев назад

Everyone has different ways of doing stairs. I personally didn't think this was the right way. However its a tidy job when completed. Can't lie the cabinet maker in me died a little inside when James was smacking those spindles with his metal hammer 😢😢😢😢

@DeeTeaDee Год назад

Hello. Help much appreciated please Long story short. I need to remove my handrail and ten spindles to allow me to fit my new sofa up and down into the living room doorway. It is the only option I have of getting it to fit into the room Question. How and where should I saw for the cleanest cut ? Will it be possible to fit back? I had a quote of like £600!?? 🤦🏻‍♂️ I just want to temporarily remove it. Sofa is in my hallway taking up all the space so its quite urgent and I dont have much time between working . Bit of a nightmare. Any help would be so appreciated please Thanks

@rickygray222 3 года назад

What’s the most common cause of creaks? Most new builds I’ve been in start creaking after 12 months. Are they not using enough glue/fixings? Or the wrong stuff?

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

It is all about timber drying out. If you put in a wedge and it shrinks, as it will in a heated house, you have a creak.

@stevehallam6495 3 года назад

carpet fitter nailing the gripper to the riser

@lifter98 3 года назад

Would like to see a video on scribing and fitting pipe boxing? There seems to be a dearth of information on this on the internet.. I've got to fit a section of boxing, about 200mm wide, to cover a waste pipe between a cabinet sink unit and a toilet cistern unit..

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

O.K it is on the list.

@lifter98 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder Thanks 👍

@paulyoull5472 2 года назад

Hi James, that was a great video mate. I would love to watch a more in depth instruction around measuring/fixing of handrails etc. can you recommend anyone to follow?

@SkillBuilder 2 года назад

Hi Paul Dan Cox was out shooting a video with us today on this very subject. It should be out in the next few weeks if you can wait that long. We have plenty of good stuff coming up with all the boys.

@gardenrose264 Год назад

Can you buy spindles already cut to shape or do you have to cut them yourself?

@the_royal_drop_short. 3 года назад

How's the generation after next going to have haunted houses, with no creaking stairs? 😁

@christophercrowle9753 3 года назад

They'll have plenty of creaking stairs with all the lashed up persimmons and wainhomes houses.

@carrollmotorsport 3 года назад

Roger put his finger on it there when he mentioned modern materials. Why wouldn’t you make use of modern materials & methods. It’s like telling a farmer to get out of his combine & go back to the scythe.

@mickyork41 3 года назад

Great video again lads. Next time maybe post a video for people before you start the job. Then you can use the comments as a guide how to do it, because clearly there’s only one right way…

@SteveAndAlexBuild 3 года назад

Always knockers out there 🙄 . I’d have your version all day long . I bet it creaked when Roger walked down with his wallet in his pocket 😏. By the way was that Ian trying to escape that cubby hole in the background s🤔😆😆🧱👍🏽

@JACKATTACKED 3 года назад

👍

@mattb4419 3 года назад

Eeeee, bye gum lad. Ya mean ter telmi tha’ ya dunna use t’gloo on t’post. When ar weralad wi used ter cut perfic mitres with us teeth, nuna this newfangled saw gubbins.

@tanja8907 3 года назад

😂😂👍🏼

@tristanedwards1340 3 года назад

Been doing without wedges on our jobs for years Solid soft wood treads ply risers on straight softwood risers on winder Glued and screwed using reisser or spax screws Never been back for a squeak or anything

@FPL-LARD 3 года назад

Im sorry but it takes seconds to add glue to those spacers and top and bottoms of the spindles, I have a staircase business and glue everything, why you wouldn't glue them is beyond me, and the hammer marks on them spacers and spindles are going to look simply lovely for that rustic diy look.

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

The nail head is below the spacer

@dannymurphy1779 3 года назад

Steve is right. Got a 10 yr old unglued spindles here and now the wood has shrunk you can almost pull some out.

@TheToolnut 3 года назад

I always glue the fillet pieces and the spindles top and bottom. Two 18ga brads in the fillet pieces and two 15ga finish nails in the top and bottom of the spindles, 👍 🔨 🇮🇪

@jamiehunter5022 3 года назад

I've done this job hundreds of times but never without glue. And I use an off cut of wood to tap everything in to place. That poor timber must be covered in dents.

@craigbarry1340 3 года назад

So where exactly was the how to?

@mickyork41 3 года назад

If you struggle after watching that, my advice would be to get a man in.

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

Craig. What do you need to know?

@peterbell4154 3 года назад

Width correction

@stevestringer6702 3 года назад

Hasn't he heard of zip bolts for the hand rails

@brianperrin8791 3 года назад

Roger what is best for cracking along the stringers when it’s all been plastered and ready for painting. Thanks

@ChrisBarclayInteriors 3 года назад

Good quality flexible caulk

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

That problem can be fixed with a good quality caulk such as Dunlop but James brings the board down on top of the strings which solves it for good.

@amazing451 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder Hi Roger, When you say James bridge the gap by sitting the second layer of plasterboard onto the string, won't this just leave a crack as well?

@Feeney20091 3 года назад

Rake out the crack using a Scraper or decorators 5 in 1 multi tool. Lightly spray the crack with water and apply expanding foam down into the gap all the way along it. Once dry, take off the excess foam and using the corner of your Scraper or folded sandpaper, score or sand a v into the foam. Stabilise the repair with a very diluted mix of pva and water. Once dry, apply a neat bead of powdered filler with your finger, sand nice and smooth when dry. Stabilise once more and then paint. The importance of using foam and not just caulk is that you have to stop the movement between the wall and the timber and foam will help with this. If something moves, it will crack. Simples. Hope this helps. Stay safe everyone.

@joegolden5214 Год назад

No glue or panel adhesive on sindles OR FILLETS sure to work loose.

@phillrose8594 3 года назад

Why no glue ??

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

What does the glue do?

@FPL-LARD 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder as a stair fitter company I can say one thing, Every staircase I come to refurbish which has spindles fitted with no glue on the spacers or spindles is a joy to remove, they are far easier to remove and removal of the handrail gets the job done in a second as the spindles all fall out, the problem is that as a staircase it was so noisy as the entire length of hand rail rattles on them as everything has become loose. All the spindles will move up and down side to side forwards backwards as the heating kicks in everything will shrink and no glue makes the problem 10 times worse, those 18 gauge nails fired into the spacers and spindles without glue will become pointless in a few months.

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

@@FPL-LARD O..K Steve when that happens we will let you know but you could see how tight they were so where it the glue going to go? It will ooze out.

@AlexSavage 3 года назад

I don't really agree with that many nails being fitted, why haven't you used glue?

@craigchambers1047 3 года назад

Glue is cheap!!!

@davehole643 3 года назад

deffo needs glue...especially for longer sections, it creates less movement of the handrail.

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

Oh I see now . The spindles hold the hand rail steady.

@brianbell966 3 года назад

I’m interested to know why with better tools , better materials (supposedly) , latest glues. ETC . We can’t produce a job as good as good as our forefathers.

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

We can, that was the whole point.

@FPL-LARD 3 года назад

@@SkillBuilder I'm sorry I don't agree, sometimes the short cut isn't the best cut. The wheel doesn't need reinventing. There are many things we all do differently as tradesman and none of us are too cool for school which is why I spend so much of my spare time on here looking for ways to improve and new ideas. But not even gluing the spacers and spindles for me is a no no. When that heating kicks in and things start to move them spindles will rattle.

@SteveDiamond19 3 года назад

Look at what tradesmen produced from the 1700s-1900s. Never ever will we see the like again and not a batterybtool in sight!

@johnwardle9667 3 года назад

Time. These days, the economy of doing work like this, it needs to be done fast. Regular customers don't want to pay the labour to be shaving and planing every piece to fit. They want a reasonable job at a reasonable price.

@thetallcarpenter 3 года назад

@@SteveDiamond19 Hampden Court Palace. (say no more). You're spot on Steve.😎

@drummerbod 3 года назад

Great job. I've never used glue as long as everything is a snug fit. Once it's had 3 coats of varnish or gloss it's never going anywhere!

@troyfrench6353 3 года назад

Not a big fan of putting fingers that close to a saw blade, or shooting nails directly into the path of my hand. Bad habits can lead to bad accidents IMO

@SkillBuilder 3 года назад

Tony you are not wrong.

@ronniewilson6597 3 года назад

That’s a shame lad’s, you could have described how you work out the spacing for the spindles. For people who want to do some diy to replace their existing spindles. Never mind. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@allaboutfishing1699 3 года назад

What is it with professional carpenters doing cross hands on a chopsaw. I hate to see that. Nice job but please don't do the cross hand bgogie on the saw.