So true. It’s sad that people, who don’t listen to entire albums or know The Cure from Best Of albums or live shows will not realise how unique this album is as an album, not a collection of different songs.
Completely agree...the pause in the music about 9 seconds into the song M, is a nice example of the magic in the spaces...but I suspect there are many others. Will listen again with your comment in mind.
Hi. Great job on the choices! I was fortunate to grow up in Boston listening to two decades of our area's punk scene and post-punk (Pixies, Mission of Burma, Throwing Muses, Jonathan Richman + Modern Lovers, Human Sexual Response, The Lemonheads). Newbury Street and Kenmore Square was our version of Kings Road and Camden Market and you could walk into a record shop and see Aimee Mann working behind a counter or Barrance Whitfield and the Savages in their own shop....both made it on Later with Jools. I highly recommend Mission of Burma's "Vs" which is criminally under-rated. It's a masterpiece with their influences (Wire and GO4) in their music! Last night, Hugo Bonham (drummer of GO4) played with MOB together in Gloucester, Massachusetts. They are good friends and Hugo now lives in the area as an educator at an Art School. Here is the link to the Vs Album: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--5Ge76RBv80.html
Thank you! .. and really great to read your comment! Great memories for you. The last time I saw Hugo was back in September '81 when Go4 played the Futurama Festival in Staffs, U.K.
I wouldn't argue with those 5 but another 5 I strongly recommend for newbies are, Chairs Missing (Wire), Script of The Bridge (Chameleons), Talk About The Weather (Red Lorry Yellow Lorry), Heaven Up Here (Echo ATB) and Waiting For A Miracle (Comsat Angels). Viz the Cure for my money 17 Seconds is their peak.
hey ken! i saw this vid a year ago, when i was starting to get into the post punk genre, and your magazine recommendation truly opened the doors for what the genre can be for me! they’re now one of my favourite bands and i’m so glad i get to listen to them everyday. thank you!
Hey, Gabrieli! That’s great to hear! Sorry I’ve not replied earlier, I’ve been in Manchester watching the original lineup of the Damned. You definitely can’t go wrong with Magazine. I count myself very lucky being friends with John McGeoch’s brother, daughter and mother.
I was fortunate enough to see Siouxsie & the Banshees on their 'Juju' tour in 1981. Shame I never got to see John McGeoch with Magazine but hey you can't have it all!
Hi, Bruce. I was lucky enough to see the Banshees several times and I saw them at Birmingham Odeon on the ‘Juju’ tour. I, too; never got to see JMcG in Magazine, but I did catch him with the Armoury Show.
Nice. Too many people talking about music on YT love their presumed expertise more than the music itself. Here, the love of the albums just radiated (endless rain into a paper cup, wait wrong verb). Anyone who leads with seventeen seconds is a good egg. Bravo!
EXCELLENT run through. JuJu is excellent. Into the Light. Monitor. OH! The whole thing is amazing. Yes Yes on the Cure Seventeen Seconds. Must look into Soldier by Iggy, going to have a complete re=listen to Magazine right this INSTANT
Will have to check these out, thanks for the recommendations! The first Cure album was the very first album that I ever bought, and it has a special place in my heart. 10 : 15 Saturday Night is still mesmerizing. Wire - Not About to Die is a revelation. The Fall - Frenz Experiment (because this is my list, damnit), and Swell Maps - International Rescue for it's scuzzy awfulness that ticks so many boxes for me
I agree with you on Juju. Not only Siouxsie and the Banshees finest hour but the greatest post punk album of them all. Every song could have been a single. Secondhand Daylight is an incredible record. Sandwiched between Real Life and The Correct Use of Soap, it is often overlooked. Permafrost is John McGeoch at his very best. Cut Out Shapes is the Magazone song for me. Work of art and as you rightly say, Barry's playing is stunning. I would go as far to say that Secondhand Daylight and Juju are in my top three albums of all time, of any genre. Number one spot probably goes to The The with the classic Soul Mining. The order, however, probably changes day to day.
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk do you like The Names? Swimming is an amazing record. The Raincoats did some great stuff too. I just wish I had been around at the time to catch this stuff! Subway Sect for the punkier side...unbelievable.
Great picks! I'd kinda like to get in there with a shoehorn and add the first SCRITTI POLITTI lp, Rust Red September by EYELESS IN GAZA, and Talk About the Weather from RED LORRY YELLOW LORRY.
Thank you! Soooo hard to choose five faves. I wouldn’t disagree with any of your choices. As an aside, I saw EYELESS IN GAZA at Futurama Featival in 1981 and RED LORRY YELLOW LORRY supporting The Mission in the mid-late 1980’s. Superb!
The amount of great bands/ albums and creativity in the post punk era was never to be matched again imo. Everything was possible as long as you didn't follow the rules. For me: 1-Siouxie and the Banshees-The Scream (the one the opened the gates with PIL) 2-Joy Division-Unknown Pleasures 3-Magazine-Secondhand daylight. 4-XTC-drums and Wires 5-Gang of four-Entertainment. I've chosen the most "academic" post punk bands, but I also love as much Japan's Quiet Life and GTP, Tubeway Army's Replicas, Cabaret Voltaire's Mix-up, Simple Minds Empires and Dance, early Josef K and Orange Juice, Throbbing Gristle 20 Great.., The Human League's Reproduction, Young Marble Giants Colossal Youth and The Associates The Affectionate Punch. Lol. Edited because I forgot Wire's Chairs Missing and 154. Both essential.
This MAGAZINE Album is shurly one the greatest Works from the high-innovative Year 1979. Its an Opus. If you realy come in, you must see "Real Life" just as an increase, and "Soap" just as the crash. MAGAZINE was THIS molten magical Album. It realy came to spin forever, since 44 Years.
I absolutely agree with your summation. 100%. I actually have a Facebook Group: 'Songs From Under The Floorboards - The Best of the Punk, Post-Punk and Alt Era'.
Interesting to see someone picking slightly more unusual choices . I think it's hard to dispute that Entertainment is the Gang of Four's definitive classic, but for me Songs of the Free is an underrated close second so nice to someone giving it a shout. You are right to point out that teh funk influence was an important part of post punk, it wasn't all doom and gloom. As for seeing the Gang of Four live , I saw them twice on various comebacks, one with the original line up, and they were good but not as good as I'd expected. I imagine they are the kind of band that if you see them on the right night could be fantastic, but maybe not every time.
Here in no particular order of importance are 5 albums from the time that people call post punk, whatever that means, that are worth a listen. 1 Strange Boutique by The Monochrome Set 2 Boys don't cry a compilation album by The Cure 3 Replicas by Gary Numan and Tubeway Army 4 Are we not men, We are Devo by Devo 5 Pass Out by Inner City Unit All 5 albums came out in either 1979 or 1980 all 5 albums are entertaining and excellent. Enjoy
I totally agree and love them all. I’ve been listening to all 5 for decades.i managed to catch Monochrome Set play live locally. Carrie Booth’s first gig with them on keyboards.
Ju ju is king! Great choice. I would expand the cure selection to include Faith and Pornography. Their all of a piece and make for a great night of audible art and remembering all the awesome shows that were happening g in the early 80s. I was in London then and golly! There was so much fun to be had =] one of the best shows I wondered into was Siouxie and the banshees at a gothic revival church just off Piccadilly. Oh my gosh!!! And time out announced a Nick Cave gig simply by saying “ugly Nick cave performs tonight at the hammer smith Odeon “ or somewhere, I actually can’t remember where that show took place. Lols
Hi, James. Thank you 👍 In my very humble opinion, ‘JuJu’ was peak Banshees. Although some interesting albums came after the classic McGeoch era .. ‘JuJu’ remains the pinnacle. I totally agree about your Cure choices, but really difficult to add more Cure in a Top.5 😁 Really thanks for commenting 💕
Fantastic list. No argument against any of these albums. But what I find a llitle weird is that in a list of essential Post Punk records there's no mention of Joy Division. These guys were pioneers of the genre and Unknown Pleasures and Closer are undisputed gems.
I agree .. but .. I wanted to make mine just a little bit different, plus with creating a video of only five Post Punk albums .. lots were going to be outside that parameter.
Great selections! I would probably pick the live compilation of Magazine, "Play", rather than any one of their albums, but anyway, very nice, thanks! (Apologies, I didn't really watch the video, I was there and know all these, just "passed by" and saw the picks.) I also would rather throw in Public Image Limited's "Metal Box" or "Second Edition" than one of these, especially as that's sort of an indispensable album in general, not even for the amazing content alone, but also, as Stereo Review, I think it was, lauded it, in addition to appreciating it, for being a sound that demanded the accurate reproduction of CDs before CDs were around.
Hi! ‘Play’ is my absolute favourite live album of all time 💕 ‘Metal Box’ is superb also (I still lovingly cherish the promo poster that I coaxed from a local record shop at the time), but .. hey! .. my target was 5. Really thank you for your post and for dropping by 👍
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk You're very welcome, thank you very much for saying so, sweet of you to take the time! Very cool about that promo poster get!! Yeah, always hard to pick just 5 or 10 of any sort of list for something like this. :) PS - note that I didn't say which one of your selections I'd throw out to put Metal Box in! Not easy.
In my opinion the best top 5 best post punk albums are joy division -unknown pleasures, Gary Numan -replicas, Wire -Pink Flags, Bauhaus- swing the heartache, Teenage Head - frantic city
I don't need them, now, but I was fond of elements of all of these when a teen in the early 80's. What is post punk, nebulous category, sometimes bands around circa 75-77 get thrust into this genre.
I saw the Banshees several times. Ju Ju I saw in Hannover rotation. Newcastle with the Comsat Angels as support. Somewhere in the midlands when they had Altered Images as support. And the last tour in Portsmouth. Gang of four I saw in Berlin 1980? Magazine I never did see.
Lovely stuff! I saw the Banshees many times throughout their career, but the highlight will forever remain the JuJu tour when I saw them play Birmingham Odeon with John Cooper Clark as support.
Many people had various interpretations of what "Punk" was back in the day but for me personally it was all about constant change. For me bands like Magazine, the Banshees, the Stranglers and Wire (to name a few) took punk rock to new levels and were true to the original spirit. i don't consider the 80's mohawk scene punk rock at all.......
@@chuckabbate5924 I'm with you - I like post punk and the UK82 stuff, both were picking up on different aspects of punk and running with them, the post punk bands were picking up on teh experimental side, the UK82 bands were picking up on teh rawness and aggression. Both are valid in my opinion.
Being a Simple Minds fan, I would put 'Empires and Dance' or 'Sons and Fascination' in the list of top 10 post-punk albums you need to have. Both were phenomenal.
Hi, Peter. Thank you. ‘Unknown Pleasures’ gets a big thumbs-up from me. Not so sure if some of the other albums you mentioned fit into that genre, as good as they are.
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk Bend Sinister is a Fall album is why I mentioned them. I was 15 in 1984, so for me, early REM, echo and the bunnymen, The Smiths and lThe Jesus and Mary Chain all come from/ out of and in fact helped create the renaissance of Velvet Underground and neo psychedelic movement of mid 1980s. I guess I have a broader definition of post punk. I like your channel. Thank you!
@peterjonas4971 Aye, I get that; Peter. I remember one of the first 45’s that I bought with my own money was ‘Bingo Masters Breakout’ on Step Forward 💕
I would definitely have Juju in my top 5, my Magazine pick would be either Real Life or Secondhand Daylight, too close to call, both brilliant albums, The Cure i would have Faith over Seventeen Seconds, but only just, as for the other 2 i would have my favourite album Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures and also XTC's English Settlement and just because i can i'll add The Triffids Born Sandy Devotional, the best post punk album from my country, even though it was made up in the old dart, used to get the NME down here and i remember the headline - "The Year Of The Triffids".
Quando puder, procure o álbum 'Ao Vivo no Mosh' de uma banda aqui de São Paulo chamada Smack. Trata-se de um registro gravado ao vivo em estúdio no ano de 1986.
There are so many great post punk albums , i never really got into the banshees , pink flag was something else though , not really punk imo , mcgeochs guitar in permafrost is outstanding , in fact Devoto still sounds pretty good today. I bought y by The Pop Group back in 79 and it still sounds as though on . another level today . All good choices though
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk Reckon so ken, some great bands came out of post punk , think howard d realised the brevity of punk and jumped ship sharpish from Buzzcocks , the rest is history i suppose
I guess I have to listen to Magazine - I ignored them so far for whatever reasons - and to Iggy Pop‘s Soldier (huge fan of The Stooges and his work till Raw Power). The other 3 are among my favourite albums since they were released. On my list Joy Division would be Nr. 1 without any doubts.❤
Yup, definitely love Joy Division. ‘Soldier’s a fantastic album. Iggy put together a really great band for that album. When you get to Magazine’s ‘Secondhand Daylight’ .. listen especially to the drum and bass interplay. Absolutely fantastic!
John Mgeogh was amazing as was Juju, I remember walking home to Bootle from Liverpool City centre because I'd spent my bus fare on Secondhand daylight 😊. It goes to show how subjective it all is though because I thought the gang of four were pretentious and i just didn't enjoy that album and as for seventeen seconds....it was a huge disappointment to me it was as if they rushed it out to keep the pot boiling one decent song one idea all on one album.
Hi, Neil. ‘JuJu’ for me is the pinnacle of the Banshees releases. What came after was different, but never bettered. That lineup .. again, for me .. remains the perfect Banshees ensemble.
@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk loved it, I once stood alongside John Mgeogh and budgie and Billy idol of all people at a Magazine gig on the Royal Iris ferry boat on the Mersey !, they all looked really tall but I was only tiny, I was only a baby, Magazine were electric that night, absolutely brilliant and edgy, supported by the original Wah Heat and they were really good. I always remember that dafty Pete Wylie kicking off half way through a song, he was slagging off Howard Devoto for letting his mates in for free (Budgie et al I suppose) then he threw the mic down stormed off.....and then came back on and carried on !, the young me was transfixed but apparently he did that at most gigs, Magazine were absolutely on fire that night though and on the way out I seen a white boy my age (15) with dreads in his hair, I thought he was the bravest coolest boy I'd ever clapped eyes on, i wanted to run over and start a band with him...missed chances eh ?.
Pat, it may have just been a bad pressing or bad mastering that you heard. There’s oodles of bass on that album, and everything’s crystal clear. I hope you get to enjoy it in the way it was meant to be listened to.
'Soldier's awesome. PLUS, as replied earlier: On any given day, I could have made a Top 100 of Post Punk albums. This is 'my' Top 5 for that given day. I'm not saying " .. it's the top 5 end-of .. ". .. but it's a different take on it.
I'm a HUGE Cure fan and I don't like the production on 17 Seconds. The drums are SO THIN and it just lacks dynamics that make up later Cure releases. A Forest is obviously a classic, yet so much more heralded live than on this album. I do love alot of songs on this release but the production is weak. The snare drum just goes though me.
I have a problem with later Cure albums where the production is too dense/thick/fat ('Pornography' for one). I actually wouldn't say that '17 Seconds' sounds thin, but .. hey .. each to their own.
On any given day, I could have made a Top 100 of Post Punk albums. This is 'my' Top 5 for that given day. I'm not saying " .. it's the top 5 end-of .. ". .. but it's a different take on it.
I like a lot of those bands, but they were more "goth" than post-punk , with the exception of Ministry, which started out New Wave, became Industrial, and then industrial metal.
@solinvictus39 Well, nah .. not really .. stuff like Fields of the Nephilim, March Violets, Sisters of Mercy you can label as Goth, but .. the Cure .. ‘17 Seconds’? .. Nope. I totally agree about Ministry .. totally not my cuppa tea.
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk I think you might have gotten me wrong, I wasn't mentioning anything about the Cure. I was responding to @christophersargent5301.
Indeed .. I love them all, but .. as in your previous comment (which I'll reply to again here): On any given day, I could have made a Top 100 of Post Punk albums. This is 'my' Top 5 for that given day. I'm not saying " .. it's the top 5 end-of .. ". .. but it's a different take on it.
I could easily have put-up a top 10, top 20, top 30 .. those three would have made a top ten easily. It gets tough to do a top 5. I don’t think I did tooooo bad 😁
@@NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk Depends on what is considered post-punk and when it was post-punk. The Stranglers were first out of the gate on that. Depends on the criteria. You could argue the Banshees second album (who claim everyone else ripped them off) was a better example of post-punk, though JuJu is a work of genius. Then there is PiL and Metal Box. Killing Joke who are criminally under appreciated. I'd argue OMDs first album was a good example of post-punk veering off into electronica. So much debate to be had!
