*CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS BELOW* Tip: try looking at the shoulders and overall character profile rather than zeroing in on the hands. I FORGOT TO EXPLAIN: we use Dragunov because his throws dont' have motion inputs. There's no "telegraph" like some other characters have; you have to see the hands. It also makes it easier to record the throws in the first place! Also, when I said "parries are unbreakable" around 13:20, I meant "getting thrown while parrying makes the throw unbreakable"
Aris used to do these throw break tutorials too. I like one part of his video in "TTT2 Throw Break Training and Theory" at 4:30 when he says "Also, what you should do when you're practicing throw break is, every time you practice them, make sure you practice them against a different character, because as you can see Armor Kings hands look different than Asukas hands, and Kazuyas hands may look different than Jack's hands so don't practice breaking your throws against ONE character that's a bad idea.". Watching out for animations against big characters is hard if you're only used to "normal" characters.
I feel like you're explaining many things people give for granted when teaching beginners, I love that, I'm sending this to a friend that really wants to get into Tekken 8 so he knows why some things happen. We are looking forward to more guides from you man, keep it up.
Yea like it’s really frustrating as a beginner how people try and teach. Like they teach in terms and verbage that they thinks is commonly known and everyone will know not realizing they still aren’t explaining it right for beginners. It’s so frustrating
So glad a respected member of the community actually posted something about Tekken that's about how to train. We have so many videos and guides about how to perform actions and think about the game, but we have so little about how to train effectively and appropriately. My method was pretty similar to this and it's very important to do both sides. Every time I'd boot up Tekken, I wasn't allowed to get on Ranked unless I went into Practice Mode and broke 10 Throws in a row. I didn't do 8/10, I just wouldn't leave until 10 Throws were broken consecutively. And now my Throw Breaks are much better, and I can break even Steve's fast Wall Push Back Sway Throw and that thing is fast.
I watched one of your streams and I told you I lost my rank and save files on Tekken 7 and you said: "what you learned in those ranks is more important. You can come back to it even faster now". Thanks for being so supportive dude. This video was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Losing your save file is not a problem. You realize how much you have improved while you climb though the low ranks super quickly. It’s a motivation boost really.
This is great content here - I just got into Tekken a few days ago (I have played Tekken 3 when I was 10 lol) and after finishing the Story i straight hoped into ranked and got obliberated every single fight. Watched a few of yours and TMM`s videos and took the time to actually train a bit. And now I'm already making progress and start to win fights and more importantly I'm starting to understand and see what my opponent does and sometimes be able to react to it. I rellay loved the well structured videos - thank you - keep it up
For anyone struggling a lot to break 8/10 in Level 1 like I have, I came up with a "Level 0.5" that I think goes well with these drills. It's just like Level 1 but instead of trying to break 8/10 throws, your goal is to just break 8 throws without making any wrong inputs. This means if you press the correct break but it was just too late, you don't reset your count. You only start over if you pressed the wrong break. This goal is a bit easier to achieve and it's been helping me drill in the whole "It's better to be late than wrong" thing. Then of course once this becomes easy you do the normal Level 1.
@barnacleman3233 Does it count if you guessed right after seeing the animation rather than reading the grab itself? (Example, when dragunov uses the 1 throw, he breaks your leg, now does my guess count if I already saw the leg break animation but didn't notice whether he used the left or right arm during the grab itself?)
@@kennethamielsantos8034 I would say no. You should only count "correct guesses" if you actually read the arm of the throw and actually pressed the correct button even if its pressed a bit late. Whats most important is to ensure you are not guessing when you press a button even if its a late press. With practice it will get quicker.
To add, so that you don't react based on the succesful throw animation, you can make character lay on the ground, activate the throws mixups, then grab an unplugged controller or whatever you could get your hands into, and try to break the throws.
I'm trying to do this right now and I'm trying to make it harder and do 10 in a row. I don't mash, but sometimes I mix up what to press and I realize my mistake. Yes I should just press even if I fail, but you start to really know the animation. Like the 1 break here is a side swap, but the 2 break is not. So I'm still stuck on level 1 after like 15mins cuz I have not done 10 in a row.
Excellent approach. I'm a BIG fan of practice sessions and you hit the nail on the head. 1: correctness over speed 2: short sessions (brain learns after play) 3: do this often
Great guide! Just one thing, is there a particular point on Dragunov's arms or body that you look at to quickly suss out the difference between the 1+2 and the 2 grab? Even with lots of warmup, I feel like there is a stark difference to how the grab animation looks like when he completely whiffs a target compared to when he grabs onto you. This is the only combination I'm struggling with over a couple days now and only from 1p side really, it seems more clear from 2p. Any advice?
Try looking at the shoulders and overall profile of the character. Also, it may take more than a couple days! Short sessions with high frequency are best
@@PhiDX Shoulders definitely helped! For Dragunov it seems he leans his head differently for each grab too altho I don't think that's a common thing for most characters. I've been doing 5-10 minutes and to be honest it's already working wonders just for learning how to focus the vision. Keep up the great work man!
you're better at this than TMM ever was, that guy is the biggest tekken content creator who based his whole career on tekken tutorials and he never showcased training drills and how to make good use of practice mode, this is a brilliant practice method on throws, very informative . this is really good stuff right here.
He is a salt lord and only has this success because hes one of the few who were actually doing it. Blasted Salami for example deserved that spotlight much, much more. But TMM has a bigger following.
I tried to watch his 8 minute T7 Heihachi guide in preperation for Reina and holy shit was it incomprehensible. It assumed so much prior knowledge, and he went so fucking fast. I mean I get it was an 8 minute guide but I thought it would be at least a little beginner friendly
I used this guide to learn how to break throws. Can definitely see an improvement in my throw breaking after just a week. Great guide, thanks for this!!!
So I have about 10 hours practicing throw breaks using the method you've described and it just doesn't compute in my head, the 2 break looks identical to the 1+2 break. So after 10 hours of practicing, I've come to the conclusion that the way throws function in Tekken is complete dog shit, trivial for top players, a gimmicky mess for the other 80% of people.
@Krugmatik Maybe just focus on the beginning where you back up and the cpu repeats grabs. Just have the cpu repeat the right grab or 1+2 grab and just watch the grab. Remember to get rest and not beat yourself too hard over it, as that doesn't help muscle memory or reaction time
Booy. The 3 grabs total is hard as a motherfucker. But such a good drill! I reduced it to just 1-2 for now cause the 3 altogether are mind fucking me way too bad. I'll add the 1+2 in a day or something. Edit: Oh Jees. I set the whole thing up before we got to the part with df1 and timing back to normal. I just tried all 3 in shuffle and that had me in the blender. And one more thing I notice my brain automatically tries to go into 'read mode' try to turn off that anticipation and just watch. For example when he does multiple 1 breaks in a row, try to turn off the anticipation in your brain. So you don't 'expect' that he is/isn't going to do it again. We are not trying to predict. We are trying to react. : )
Yo, got one question. When you said to practice for like 5 to 10 mins do you mean all levels at the same time ?! I guess not, so I think you forget to mention that we have to do 5 to 10 mins one level and once we get the 8/10 throws we go on the next level and we don't come back to the previous the next time we train right ? Maybe it was so obvious, that you didn't feel like mention it but I still want to know to be sure x'). Anyways great vid and thanks for the help !
As a beginner in Tekken i really appreciate this drill. As a dragunov player who's been cheesing wins with command throws I'm very frustrated with you haha
Yea, I can't do this. The window to break is too small. Been at this for 20 mins trying to break 10/10 because I felt like I need to because while I can pass 8/10 at times I mix up my inputs. Been stuck on level 1 and max I can do in a row is 5, but I fuck up. I know its better to be correct, but after awhile I know the animations so even if I'm slow I just know what to press based off animation so I need to read the start fast and I just can't do this. Its a helpful video, but after 20mins on level 1 1st stage its gonna take all night...
As someone who's played fighting games, but is new to tekken, this is great. I've almost forgotten what it's like to start from the beginning again, so I really appreciate this!
My problem is the hit property effects for the throw gets in the way of seeing what hands are being thrown. I know it's a matter of getting the repetitions in but it's annoying nonetheless. Turning down the graphics settings to the lowest for effects might've just helped me I think after experimenting for a bit.
struggled with this for a long time and even practiced it a lot in tekken 7. "better be slow than wrong" was the trick. i would just mash and often times guess wrong. so helpful. thank you for content like this, keep it up
You are completely right about better to be slow than to be wrong. Even after training throw breaks and consistently breaking about eight in a row, my bad muscle memory from T7 during matches sometimes still comes through where I instinctively press 1 or 1+2. It's definitely going to take some time to unlearn that
Do you feel that this could be applied to when we lab moves or strings that give us trouble? Also ty for these, its really helpful and reminds me to start small and slow❤❤❤
Learning stuff like this has always been a huge barrier to getting into Tekken in general. Thank you for these guides man will definitely be sharing them when getting people into the game
I literally stood still during a match with king just to induce him to grab me because I wanted to practice breaking throws one time, I really was having a hard time with the matchup. Now I wouldn't recommend it, but a tip I can give is, go into a match with the intention to look out for throws and break them, even if you lose
This is a good tip actually, doing practice routines is one thing, but doing it VS an actual human is a whole different ballgame. It's always better to hone in on practicing one or two things at a time.
@@Cheltastiqueas a king main I'll give you some tips, the way how to know what throws coming from king is actually in the movement. If he's running into you, it's more than likely going to be a 2 break ..don't even look at the hands . If a king puts out 2 hands from neutral , it literally has to be a guess as that's what the character is designed around.. throws. In this case look for a pattern .. If you were giant swinged first time, assume giant swing second time.. tap 1 . If u see muscle buster tap both punch . A good king will mix up those 2 throws . Every tombstone or tiuanna twister though is reactable . For the wave dash in throws .. expect usually 2 punch break for all . Good king will try to mix it up but at first assume 2 punch for all since that's always going to lead to the most damaging startup . Know at minimum ur rolling death cradle break. U will always have to eat the second option if king does that instead .. but u have to prevent death cradle damage . Spam 2
PRAISE PHI! Seriously, thank you man. I'm consuming as much training material as I can from different people on my Tekken beginners journey and your stuff is incredibly easy to follow and use. ^-^b
I think the hardest thing for me right now is differentiating the 1 break and 1+2 break. However, I’m also realizing that the more I fail, the more I’m starting to notice drag’s left hand come out further when a 1 throw comes out. It almost feels like he’s moving in slow motion
Bro idk why but the seamless, reactionless "pause" at 12:57 had me dying, great vid as always. I never thought to visually memorize whiffed grabs, thats pretty clever.
Tekken 8 Practice Mode needs (3) Load Save Presets so we can save particular Drill Settings and get this set up quicker. Also PHIDX, you're the new Tekken Wizard. You're gonna go far.
I'm a certified pharmacy technician and u explain things like a medical practitioner fr. It's so in-depth but easy to follow bro. Keep it up, ur killing it Phi 🔥
I find it VERY difficult to distinguish between 2 and 1+2 break. Since the arm on a 2 break (depending how close you are to the opponent) basically disappears behind my character i came up with a different´point of identification, lets say. when its a 2 break, the opponent tucks his left arm DOWN to is ribs. So i took that information and went from there. When its a 1+2 break i can see the opponents head still, while when its a 1 break, i cannot (depends on positioning obv, but this was my starting point) Also i started with 2 variants instead of just 1 over and over, because i quickly started to react to the modelanimation doing a move instead of the actuall animation of the throw.
Holy shit. I have had such a tough time with distinguishing between 2 breaks and 1+2 breaks but that tip about the head and arm next to the ribs helped me out so much. Thanks for that!
man... i've been playing tekken 7 for 380 hours and tekken 8 for 30 and i cannot see the difference between the regular grabs and 1+2. the difference between 1 or 2 is pretty easy to see though, i just hate how sometimes one hand is entirely behind a character and you can't tell if that hidden hand moved or not.
When i go to practice mode and change to defense and then select the moves of oppenent and go back to practicing the dragunov doesn't do anything, plz help.
I have never been able to consistently throw break, the backgrounds are way too intrusive for me to be able to focus on someones hands like that during an actual match, i just make sure everything else i do is rock solid lmao
not gonna lie, i've been at this for a couple days and I absolutely cannot tell the difference between the throws once I introduce uf1+2. That move looks like either throw depending on the angle and it makes me instantly second guess the original 1+4 and 2+3.
I haven't got Tekken 8 just yet, but I'm watching your videos and playing the demo using your tips and tricks to stay fresh! Soon as I hop on ranked, I'm feeling confident already!
Just stopping by to tell you I got into Tekken 7 a few months ago to prepare for 8. I have no experience in 3D fighters but your content has been really enjoyable and easy to digest. Really appreciate what you're doing man, I hope you see this and it inspires you to make more.
Although this is a very useful video, can't you duck all of this though? Or am I mistaken? I would rather duck the grab and then rising launch them into the air.
I feel like all this whack grabbing came from SF6 players because thats all I remember when I played it. Love that game but people in general play like garbage yet it works sometimes. Now Im seeing this crap in Tekken especially with King. They might get a round in but they do it so often it’s laughable and they end up losing. My complaint is just that matches like this are so boring to play. Try to actually learn the game instead of being a braindead Zangief player in Tekken.
I can imagine worst methods to mentally torture a human being but this is definitely up there. 😅 Good guide though, you are amazing, I only hate the system. 😁
I feel like I’m only making it as far as I am in ranked because of your drills. This is the only fighter that’s really stuck for me aside from Strive, and having pointers on how to use training mode effectively has been a huge part of that. Cheers, dude. 🎉
Can anyone tell me how I'm meant to break 1+2 breaks on keyboard consistently? I can't seem to bind 1+2 on a seperate button and the input is so precise if I dont do it properly it takes the 1 milisecond of pressed "1" before the "1+2" input ruining the break.
Only looking at this for ranked sake as the CPU almost never uses grab...they just throw out strings mostly unless they are King most grabs are done by actual players. This is still interesting because I feel like I want to know this before getting more serious about ranked.
Another level could be seeing the throw in the corner of your eye. During a match you usually look at your opponents character 90% of the time but sometimes you have to check the positioning, the health bars, and so on and you don't want to get thrown during those crucial moments. Maybe look a few centimeters away from your opponents character and practice with the same drills.
left arm = left punch (1) break, right arm = right punch (2) break, both = both (1+2). As a beginner I'm wondering is this information in-game? would've been helpful 30 hours aga actually. It's such a fundamental and easy to learn information.
Better to be slow than wrong is EXACTLY what I needed to hear, I keep prioritizing reaction speed over all else (which leads me to get grabbed anyway) The point about training faster muscle memory really opened my eyes
Day 3 of this, I'm improving way faster than I thought I would. Avoided training throw breaks in 7 because I psyched myself out without even trying it first. Thanks so much for this guide.
Dude I am so glad I got your channel recommended to me by my sparring buddy. I'm a returning Tekken player since TTT1 so all of this is new to me. But your content is super educational! Subbed instantly. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks a lot, for this detailed video. I've been playing for a while and never found a good way to train throw breaking. I wanted to ask, how long it took you to see results of the throw break practice?
Tekken set break grab that you can break grabs by using any punch buttons doesn't matter witch side. But both hands you need both punch buttons. Don't listen to this fool.
Do you need to set it up every time or is there a way of saving a setup for training mode? Or saving it so between ranked matches when you’re waiting in training you can do these drills without setting them up every time?
This is cool but honestly this is my first tekken and I just learned how to tech throws and it’s so reactable that all these other tips are making the vid long for no reason. I do appreciate the showcase of how to do things in the lab mode
I wish my video creation skills were this good. Dude even has a section of the screen dedicated for notes. That is absolutely incredible. I enjoyed the video and learned some new stuff! Practicing with Lidia now. My throw escape game will be flawless. (EDIT) Holy shit I never knew about the action intervals. Mind = blown. Why am I such a scrub?😂
8:48 "There's a 1 throw. You're gonna repeat this until you can F***" is crazy XD But thank you for making this vid!!! Drilling all this will help me decrease SO MUCH damage I be taking on Ranked XD Thankfully, too, my friend mains Dragunov as well. So it's a win-win
Warmups - Easy. Not a problem. This will be great. Stage 1 - Okay, I screwed up a couple times but not bad. Already better than I was doing in real matches. Stage 1, but now on P2 side - Oh NO @_@ Oh well, I'll go at it again for like, 10-15 minutes tomorrow. and hopefully make my way up to Stage 2 then. Like you said, shorter, but frequent practice sessions will be better! Thanks again for the excellent video, as always!
I genuinely feel like I can’t break any throws on ps5. I trained and I literally have never had problems breaking throws in tekken for 15 years. And all of a sudden, I can’t break EVERY SINGLE THROW
I find it impossible to distinguish 2 and 1+2 throws when playing Jack. His hitbox is just so big he covers enemy arms mostly. 1 vs 2 throws are kinda distinguishable but 2 and 1+2 are not imo if you're close to enemy.
So.., peculiar question. I've kinda just looked at my characters head to try to understand what they're going to do next. This drill is definitely a little harder cause I'm ONLY looking at his hands now. What's a good part of a character's body to be CONSTANTLY looking at so I can see throws, lows, and seeable moves?
i need help with throwbreakings phi. i'm using a switch keyboard and i have 0 successful 1+2 breaks because i kept getting 1-2 frames of 1 or 2 when i was trying to break 1+2. what should i do aside from binding the obvious 1+2 breaks?(i can't react in time if i use the bind)
Hi, I have a question : on P1 for example, how do you differentiate a 1 break for a 1+2 break ? cuz between 1 and 2 it's easy I can get 20 in a row cuz you clearly see when the left arm is grabbing or not BUT on the 1+2 and 1 grab, the left arm is grabbing in both side ... it fucks up my mind
