Five Trumpets - Big Band Arranging SECRETS REVEALED

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How do you approach arranging for a 5 trumpet section in a big band? After being asked this question countless times, here is the answer!
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@stevekingbigband5719 2 года назад

Hi Elliot, your video covered 95% of writing for 5 trumpets. The only bandleader I've come across who writes differently is Bob Florence. He used 5 trumpets in his band and generally wrote all 5 within an octave (no doubling of the octave). Having analysed his writing, he seems to use a lot of 11th's even when the harmony doesn't indicate their presence as a "soft" tone, a bit like the fifth.

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Bob Florence was an amazing composer. It doesn’t surprise me that he did wild stuff like that?”!

@PierreAntoineSavoyat 2 года назад

I compose and arrange for a five-trumpet big band. For me in shout chorus, you heard the difference high register. But there is so much fun stuff to experiment with an extra player! The problem is when you are the fifth player and the other arrangers give you all the extra job... and you finally play 2 times more than the rest of the section! 😆

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

I agree on all counts. Thanks for watching!!!

@james_subosits 2 года назад

Congrats on that going viral! That's super cool. Great lesson by the way.

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Thank you! It’s new for me!

@bonerici 2 года назад

Great video thanks

@jackyerkess8436 2 месяца назад

Can you talk more about the actual way you arrange for them. I.e. if writing for 5, do you exclusively harmonised 1-4 and put 5 down the octave. Or do you use 5 part harmonies? Likewise, if you were writing 5th parts for something that was only originally written for 4, what notes would you give 5th? (Assuming you can’t change the other 4 parts).

@purplejazz100 2 года назад

Always useful information!

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Glad I can help!

@nibblrrr7124 2 года назад

Thanks for this video! As someone more familiar with tiny horn sections from pop or ska bands (and also struggling with just four or five "mouths to feed" in gigging bands...), I'm always prone to wondering if big bands really need to be _that_ big... :D Those A/B comparisons using your professional recordings are especially valuable!

@tooter1able 2 года назад

Elliot, Thanks again. I have a question about intervals or chord tones played by lead trumpet and lead trombone.When you don't double the trumpets an octave lower in the trombones, , is there a cardinal rule about the chordal interval between the lead trumpet note and the and the first trombone note? wholestep ok? . What choices are available to voice/harmonize other notes in the lead trombone of course within the same chord when playing the same chord as trumpets.? Thanks

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

There is no specific rule. Often trumpet 5 plays unison with trombone 1 when I add a 5th part.

@Cream-6622 Месяц назад

Can you make a tutorial for big band arranging with strings?

@myaltaccount5046 2 года назад

All the examples are great, I especially liked being able to hear the trumpets in isolation as well. I was interested though in that scenario you described where there is a full trumpet section while the 5th trumpet plays in unison with a sax and trombone. If you could point to any examples songs I could search for that employ 5 trumpets in a way that you see as worthy of the hassle, I'm certainly curious. Also, now I want to hear what that terrible french-horn like instrument sounds like :D

@tooter1able 5 месяцев назад

If you are using 6 chord when the 6th IS the melody tone(ex. G6), can you allow a whole step between lead voice (1st trumpet) and 2nd trumpet?

@GaryBadger 2 года назад

Great video, thank you. I agree that it was difficult to hear any real difference with the 5th trumpet in your example. But could that be because the voicing was in the low range? What if the additional voicing was higher, and boosted the lead part?

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Good thoughts, but I think it’s difficult to tell the difference because the 5th part doesn’t add much to this type of orchestration.

@ChristopherSiu 2 года назад

HERE WE GO!!

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Feels good to be back at it.

@jackyerkess8436 2 года назад

Yes! My request made it!!

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Thanks for the idea! Now you know all of the five trumpet secrets!

@richardwilliamsmusic 2 года назад

Great points made! I don't think I can really tell the difference either

@clarinetguyuk 10 месяцев назад

In a 4-player section, the trumpets will typically stand (Rhythm)-2-1-3-4 (or 4-1-2-3 if 4th is the solo chair). In a 5-player section, is there a default order or does it largely depend on how each part primarily functions?

@PandemoniumBigBand 10 месяцев назад

Usually 42135

@shahafaouday5932 2 года назад

Thanks for the great videos! I wonder if you write your music on concert p or it just for the viewers?

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

I compose in concert and then transpose when I’m cleaning up the parts. I hope that answers your question!

@shahafaouday5932 2 года назад

@@PandemoniumBigBand of course, thanks a lot. Are you going to make a video (or some of them) about cluster and open forms of chords spread?

@thomassiebenhuhner4062 Год назад

It might be appropriate to discuss “split lead” options when discussing 5 part trumpet writing. :)

@filiphauangundersen3228 2 года назад

Are you going to make a 5 trombone section video too? If so with maybe tuba on the 5th part? Love your videos btw!

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

That's a really interesting idea. Honestly, I haven't written any big band music with a 5 trombone section, or with tuba. But I know a couple of great composers who have written for those instrumentations extensively. Maybe I could ask one to make a guest tutorial!

@joaomenegalebarbi1586 2 года назад

Fantastic! Thank you! If I may, how do you pay your big band? Per rehearsal? Concert? Month? I'm new at this business but really interested in putting something together. I don't want to present musicians with stupid, unfair propositions because of my ignorance, though, so if you could help I would be really grateful. (Would like to know more about values as well, but I understand that this is a delicate topic to get discussed on youtube.)

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Send me an email and I’ll let you know whatever you want.

@wesstephens5324 2 года назад

Can you cover arranging for big band and solo vocal?

@DavidBergerJazz 2 года назад

You really want to know? Buy my book, Creative Composing and Arranging, volume 2: Writing for Singers. www.suchsweetthundermusic.com

@PandemoniumBigBand 2 года назад

Yes. That's a great topic to talk about. But I won't be able to go NEARLY as deep in a 6-10 minute video as David Berger does in his book.

@DavidBergerJazz 2 года назад

@@PandemoniumBigBand Thanks, like you say, videos are great for scratching the surface, getting your feet wet, and a lot of other cliches, but if someone wants to really learn something about writing music, there is no substitute for listening, score study and reading good books on the subject. I wrote this particular book after 55 of writing songs and arrangements for singers and not seeing any books on the market that dealt with this specific topic. Sadly, most jazz musicians look down on singers. I've been lucky to work with many of the best and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Singers tell stories in ways that instrumentalists can't. An arranger who understands this and appreciates it is already ahead of the game.