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Fixing a SiP 6 inch heavy duty (1/2 horse power) that will not start. It hums but does not start.
Please note that these usually contain running capacitors rather than start ones so if you do need to replace the capacitor check and if in doubt get a run one.

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@flbyrne99
@flbyrne99 2 года назад
Thanks Ben. My grinder wouldn’t start unless I gave it a mighty spin by hand. A replacement was going to cost over £90 so I did what you showed. Removed the base plate, saw the capacitor and removed it. Elsewhere on RU-vid I found out what it did and how to test it. It was not ok. Found the spec on the broken one for a replacement, got one off eBay for a fiver, refitted it with new spade terminals as the originals were too small. Cleaned it up, reassembled it, switched on and Bingo! Starts first time every time. Thanks mate! Saved me £85 plus I learned what motor capacitors do (as against lighting capacitors) so I’m well pleased!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
I am pleased to have helped. Oddly I am currently working on another much bigger capacitor start motor, but this one has a dodgy centrifugal switch. (This bench grinder does not). One thing I would say is, it feels much better to have fixed something than to have replaced it. Did you capacitor look like it had blown up, otherwise how did you test it? Also if your capacitor is on all the time, you need a run capacitor not just a start one. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel subscribe!
@jerryfogg5270
@jerryfogg5270 10 месяцев назад
Hi Ben, thanks so much for your help! Mine was the same as this! Saved me a lot of money! Thanks from your American Cousin!! Jerry!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 10 месяцев назад
I am very pleased that my video helped! I really don't like throwing things away so like to keep things going. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@alvarokerosene6257
@alvarokerosene6257 3 года назад
Thanks friend for showing the activities in your workshop. Excellent.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Many thanks Alvaro.
@tadnauseum
@tadnauseum Год назад
outside in the summer sun with no shop and a flea market bench grinder that worked yesterday. This helped. 😊
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
I am pleased it helped. Many thanks for watching! Please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@baldoh.6897
@baldoh.6897 Год назад
Thank you for making this video...
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Many thanks. Hope it was helpful. Many thanks for watching the video, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@Everythings_Adjustable
@Everythings_Adjustable 3 года назад
Excellent result Mate, If the grinder has been sitting outside and got wet that might well give you a little tingle I would leave it in the airing cupboard for a week I would also re do the earth connection in the motor (I expect you have done this already ) 👍 😊
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Odd that you should mention water... When I got it started it spat out a lot of water from the side with the wheel... I may open it up to check.
@Everythings_Adjustable
@Everythings_Adjustable 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop Even if it looks OK I would leave it somewhere warm for a while, Also do capacitors break down if they get wet? would it be leaking through it's casing? I don't know just guessing
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@Everythings_Adjustable Capacitors do brake down but I think this one is fine as it is in a plastic case. I will dry out the internals though.
@Everythings_Adjustable
@Everythings_Adjustable 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop I love this sort of video, very interesting stuff 👍
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@Everythings_Adjustable Many thanks Sparky!
@nathanppierce
@nathanppierce 8 месяцев назад
Looks pretty good! Do you have an idea how I could fix my old Shopmate 2601TO? It gets bogged down when I start grinding something against the wheel. THANK YOU!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 8 месяцев назад
I am not familiar with it. What power rating is it? How big are the wheels and what have you on it? (Type of stone?) Also, many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@nathanppierce
@nathanppierce 8 месяцев назад
@@BensWorkshop Thanks for replying! It says 5 inch grinder. Model 2601TO. Shopmate. 115 V.A.C. 60 HZ. 3.2 AMPS. 3500 R.P.M. McGraw-Edison Company. Arbor size = 1/2”. Max. Lamp Wattage 10 Watts. The left wheel is approx. 4-1/8” diameter, 3/4” wide. The right wheel is approx. 4-7/8” diameter, 3/4” wide. The right wheel wobbles sideways approx. 1/16”. They’re both look like stone, I imagine they’re different grits, but they look the same to me.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 8 месяцев назад
Is there a power rating in either HP (Horse Power) or Watts? (1HP = 750 Watts) The 3.2 Amps probably refers to starting surge current.
@nathanppierce
@nathanppierce 8 месяцев назад
@@BensWorkshop looks like the sticker doesn’t say that. I can’t find any other markings
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 8 месяцев назад
I had a google and I can see the ID sticker which as you say, does not say much. However it looks a bit like a Black and Decker I have which has 1/3rd of a HP. As I can't see it running and how hard you are pushing it, but all grinders will bog down if pushed. Sorry that is not more helpful.
@AD-lx3bt
@AD-lx3bt Год назад
Thanks for the helpful video. I have a (old) bench grinder that has the same problem. I replaced the original capacitor with the replacement from a motor repair outfit. Connected the new capacitor but still the same problem. Any ideas? Runs fine, just have to manually start it.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Have you checked the coil that the capacitor connects to? Also do you hear a click as it starts to spin up and another as it slows down to stop? If so, there could be a centrefugal switch that is failing and the contacts may need a clean. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@PachiOnline
@PachiOnline 3 года назад
Great job!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Many thanks, and thank you for watching! Please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής 2 года назад
There was no information on my machine,just an old one I inherited from my grandpa and wanted to clean it up a bit. The only clue is the bearings are made in England,if that's helpful at all. Other than that,I'm not sure how this motor is called in english,but yes,this seems to be the principle behind it. There's a plate with a thin piece of metal on it,that helps engage the coil with full voltage and kickstart the motor. Then after the rotor starts spinning,this centrifugal switch releases the piece of metal and it's normal single phase. So basically,this switch is replacing the capacitor. If misplaced on the rotor,a bit further away so it won't push this piece of metal enough to make contact,the motor won't start. Sorry if the description is not very accurate,I'm not very good at this,and only found out how it operates today thanks to the comments here.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
If it is a centrifugal start motor the switch is connected when the rotor is not spinning, then as the motor spins, the centrifugal switch operates to turn off the starting coil. For a bit of detail, see this part of a series I did on an induction motor with such a system (and no capacitor) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0BrGVqA-WOI.html If the switch works, all you will need to do is identify which wires are one coil and which are the other. Connect them in parallel. Turn it on. Check which way the motor runs. If it runs the wrong way, reverse one coil and try again. See this motor video for more of an idea (This one is a capacitor start but same principle.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uzdeNWUDI14.html
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Also, soon I will be publishing another video with a different arrangement of centrifugal switch that caused a lazy start.
@jujutsukaisen-360
@jujutsukaisen-360 Год назад
Can replace 2.5 to 3.5 uf capasitor, it is same volts
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
If the question is can you replace a 2.5 uf capacitor with a higher value 3.5uf, generally yes. What you need to check is if they are running or starting capacitors. Starting capacitors are switched out of circuit after the motor has started spinng. You hear a click on start up and after you switch it off as it is slowing down. My other videos on lathe motors (and my mill motor) have such switches and you can hear them click. This model of grinder has no switch so needs a running capacitor. Many thanks for watching! Please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@GrumpyTim
@GrumpyTim 3 года назад
A nice easy fix - saves tracking down a replacement capacitor - I didn't hear a centrifugal switch so I guess that one is a motor run rather than just a motor start cap - probably anyway. The tingling on the case is odd though - maybe test it with a megger meter if you've got one, see if the insulation is breaking down.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Tracking down a capacitor of the right value would not be difficult. You are correct that it would be a run capacitor, I've never heard a centrifugal switch in a bench grinder and certainly not this one.
@GrumpyTim
@GrumpyTim 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop True, that would be a fairly run of the mill motor capacitor - I've had trouble sourcing heavy duty ones in the past, but that was a fair few years ago. Is that a dehumidifier on your bench? Is it damp in there? My shed was dripping with condensation and things had started to go mouldy in places - I've installed some forced ventilation to try to circulate the air a bit better.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@GrumpyTim I've seen some fairly heavy duty motor caps about... Yes that is a dehumidifier and I have done a review of it... I do get condensation on the steel roof but will look to insulate it one way or another.
@GrumpyTim
@GrumpyTim 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop I used some of the bitumen based corrugated roofing - it was really quick to install compared to my usual plywood and roofing felt, but it really does suffer from condensation - ah well, I'll know for next time!!!!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@GrumpyTim Mine is steel because the part of the original shed I took down that survived the best was steel. Once I put some insulation under it, it will be fine.
@madeddiesman-stylemonsterm6662
@madeddiesman-stylemonsterm6662 2 года назад
Nice restoration. Dealing with a capacitor makes this a lot trickier. Thanks for sharing this!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Many thanks, this one was easy. I now have the same problem with the motor on my milling machine. Suspect the capacitor but it is a much bigger motor. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής 2 года назад
Hello I came across this video while searching for information about a similar situation. My bench grinder's capacitor is missing and the connections were tampered with. There's four wires from the pinion,and I can't figure it out. No schematics also,wherever I look. Can you give me some info on how this one is wired,so I can hopefully start mine after getting a capacitor for it? Much appreciated,and I subscribed as well. Thank you for the instructions
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Many thanks for watching and subscribing! Generally it is easier to find, see and reply to comments if you start anew rather than reply to an old comment. Have you got a multimeter? One that can measure resistance? If so start by identifying which coil is which. One should have a higher resistance than the other.
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής
@ΓιάννηςΓκοσδής 2 года назад
I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I read somewhere in the comments about centrifugal switch,so it turns out the wiring was setup correctly,i was just looking for a "missing" capacitor,but turns out I misplaced the centrifugal switch while disassembling and there was no initial contact with the clutch plate. So,to anyone reading this,learn from my mistake and mark exactly where on the rotor axel it's fixed. Have a nice day,and I'm off to watch more of your interesting content :)
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Neither of my bench grinders have them, they both appear to have run capacitors but some induction motors are "split phase" which means that they don't have a capacitor. Is yours a Sealey like this one? Also, please start a new comment thread as it will be easier to find your comment to reply to.
@grandadsworkshop5394
@grandadsworkshop5394 3 года назад
Nice one ben
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Cheers. I've just finished editing the video of making the flange washers.
@2hotscottpro
@2hotscottpro 2 года назад
I have a hummer like yours .I have to spin it fast to run.It’s a Craftsman 120 volt in USA.It doesn’t have a capacitor.It has a small winding that’s wired to the big one on axel.You mentioned that’s called split phase.That’s all I know.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
How many wires do you have coming out of the pedestal? I could also have a centrifugal switch which might be stuck open.
@2hotscottpro
@2hotscottpro 2 года назад
I found out it has a start relay that’s not made anymore.Oh well it’s a cheap one has plastic housing I bought for a few bucks.Seen a bench grinder thread on the Garage Journal where they were talking about this one back in 2017.Boy they tried to find a replacement but didn’t.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Did you find the relay? If not all you have to do is work out what it does then I expect you can put together an equivalent from other parts.
@2hotscottpro
@2hotscottpro 2 года назад
No I haven’t ..Like I said a bunch of guys looked without luck.Thanks for your comments.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
In which case you just need to work out what the relay does and how to replicate that. I suspect it just turns the coil it is connected to on for a short time at start up.
@samsgarage1716
@samsgarage1716 3 года назад
Nice job.Just a bad connection. I was thinking you was going to take out a starting capacitor from something else.How would you have fix it if the starting capacitor was messed up?
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
In that size they are generally run capacitors and basically you just buy a replacement. They are sold as generic spares by value so as long as you can read what is on them or find out elsewhere you will be fine.
@samsgarage1716
@samsgarage1716 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop I learn something new every time I see your videos.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@samsgarage1716 Many thanks Sam!
@send2gl
@send2gl 3 года назад
How satisfying to get it working. How old is it? Surprised it had a cheap Chinese starter coil and strange still getting a tingle from the switch but dont think you inspected that.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
It is very satisfying, but I don't think the grinder is that old, certainly probably less than 20 years old. I suspect that some damp got in it to give it the tingle.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Oh, and it is a capacitor... I kept getting it confused in the video.
@kingbeejonga3720
@kingbeejonga3720 2 года назад
Nice one .I have the same machine.I"be been using it for over 15 years.I"m a shoe maker.now it won't on.no power at all.what can i do.keep up the good work thanks.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Sorry to hear your machine has stopped working. Does your make any noise when you turn it on? Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@kingbeejonga3720
@kingbeejonga3720 2 года назад
@@BensWorkshop no .no power at all.it"s dead
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Have you got a multimeter? You could check it has power inside the unit. However you could also just try changing the fuse. It is a 1/2HP so will have a starting current of between 5 and 10 amps. Have you checked the fuse?
@kingbeejonga3720
@kingbeejonga3720 2 года назад
@@BensWorkshop no.I didn't" know there"s a fuse.I will check.tkanks so mush for your kindness.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
@@kingbeejonga3720 No problem. Which country and type of plug is it? If it's a UK plug (used in UK, Ireland, Malta, many parts of the Middle East and Africa) then the plug will have a fuse.
@UKscrapper
@UKscrapper 3 года назад
Nice fix might be a bit damp if you got it from scrapyard try drying it out
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Yes, in fact when I got t spinning first time it spat water out. Thanks for watching!
@danymitehazard
@danymitehazard 3 года назад
Awesome I guess I know what’s wrong with my bench grinder
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
If it buzzes like that and you can manually start it, it's either the capacitor or the connections to it. I am very pleased to have been able to help. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@danymitehazard
@danymitehazard 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop thanks I’m fixing my dads grinder for myself and when you try to turn it on it makes a huge loud buzz noise but the wheels won’t spin.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
And if you try to spin the wheel, what happens?
@danymitehazard
@danymitehazard 3 года назад
@@BensWorkshop idk yet I’m kinda busy right now, I’ll try to work on it later and when I do I will let you know, we’ll stay in touch. 👍🏻
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
@@danymitehazard Cheers
@richglaser4566
@richglaser4566 Год назад
Mine doesn’t have a starter coil like they. When I start it I bye turning it I here’s set of points click in
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Ah. That would be a split phase with a centrifugal swicth. Check the contacts and clean, also check there's continuity to the switch. The switch will be at one end or the other of the motor. I had a similar problem in this motor but it took me a while to find: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ea_kcnOApQA.html Though this motor did have a capacitor, there was nothing wrong with it. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@richglaser4566
@richglaser4566 Год назад
@@BensWorkshop I fount the problem was the centrifugal unit it was cracked and moved
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Were you able to fix it?
@awandepercival4299
@awandepercival4299 Год назад
How to fix a start dat dont want to retain the bench grinder only works when u hold the start?
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Your problem is not clear. If you mean that it will only start and run if you hold the switch on, then there is a problem with your switch. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@rickynaidoo2921
@rickynaidoo2921 Год назад
Sir . How many wires are going to the motor?
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
There is live and neutral going into the unit, with an earth. From the base into the actual motor windings there are 4 wires in this unit, for 2 coils. One coil has a capacitor in series to create the phase shift that sets the direction of spin. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@harmonica2007
@harmonica2007 Год назад
Is there any danger of discharge from a capacitor?
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Not a big one on an AC start or run capacitor, as they are charged and rapidly discharged. It's not like a capacitor in a DC power supply/ However if in doubt you can always short it out with a screw driver. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@hewhofightsforgodeveryman3942
@hewhofightsforgodeveryman3942 9 месяцев назад
👍
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 2 месяца назад
Hi Ben. We share a lot of common interests. Unfortunately
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 месяца назад
Unfortunately? Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@jcstevegigs
@jcstevegigs 2 года назад
My Black & Decker bench grinder only buzzes and won’t spin. No capacitor. Brushless DC motor. Is it fixable?
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
What makes you think it is DC and are you sure it doesn't have a capacitor? I would suspect that it is in fact AC, it will be brushless. I would start by using a muiltimeter to check that you have power inside the grinder and that the switch works. I fixed a Back and Decker one here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WJhWVj-oRvo.html Many thanks for watching. Please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe.
@jcstevegigs
@jcstevegigs 2 года назад
@@BensWorkshop I know it’s brushless and DC were the only ones I saw in videos so I assumed. Good to finally know. Thanks. The switch works. I’ll link a short video if you have a second to watch it. Yes, I’ll def subscribe. Thanks
@jcstevegigs
@jcstevegigs 2 года назад
@@BensWorkshop ru-vid.comvUiERtRZ0HQ?feature=share
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Brusless motors are always, without exception, AC. Where the supply voltage is DC, there is a converter to convert it to AC, usually 3 phase and variable speed. Does it run on batteries? If it were brushless with a DC supply there would have to be a circuit board with a heat sink to turn the DC into the AC required to run the motor. Is there such a circuit board? Also, not all single phase AC induction motors have a capacitor. They sometimes have what is called split phase wiring.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Definately an AC single phase induction motor. Just looked at the parts manual and it appears there are just two wires to the coils which is odd.
@fredmanda4830
@fredmanda4830 Год назад
How do i connect direct
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
I do not understand what you mean. If you mean direct current, you don't. Induction motors are AC (Alternating Current) only. Many thanks for watching, please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@oldmanhads2043
@oldmanhads2043 Год назад
Any hints on what to do when the grinder wont spin at all unless you loosen the wheel on one side? Mine has a wire brush on the left. A grinding stone on the right. I switch it on and it humms but is jammed. I cant even turn it by hand. I loosen the wire wheel side, just a quarter turn and off she goes. The wire wheel itself wont spin because its now loose, but the right side grinding disc is spinning at least. Hope that makes sense.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Makes perfect sense. I expect the wire wheel is missing a spacing washer. I made one for mine for stones, you can see what they look like here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0WUamP79mPg.html I appreciate that you probably don't have the equipment to make one but at least you will know what sort of thing you are looking for. Many thanks for watching! Please like, share and if you like the channel, subscribe!
@oldmanhads2043
@oldmanhads2043 Год назад
@@BensWorkshop - Thank you for the speedy reply. I had a look and all parts are there - but I found my internal flange has wear marks on it - its sliding in too far and rubbing against the case. swapped it with the outer one and we seem to be back up and running. Wouldnt have found this without your suggestion. Thanks again.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
You are very welcome. Take a look at the channel, you might find other interesting things on it.
@28Emanuelp
@28Emanuelp Год назад
Breh. They threw it away for a reason. It needs rewiring. Brand new one cost $40.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
If you don't like people fixing things why watch videos on people fixing things? 1. It does not need rewiring. 2. A brand new one of this size and quality costs a lot more than $40. 3. People often throw things away because they are unable to fix them because they think like you.
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