Those 24-28 year old players are so important. If the quality isn't there in that age bracket, you just wont win games, period. I still think that 2016 period where they cut Harvey, Petrie, Firrito etc. all at the same time has had a flow on effect which still resonates now.
I said it at the time and I’ll say it forever EVERYONE they cut had at least 2 quality years left. Boomer was old but still playing well, Firito was playing at a consistent standard with a few very good games here and there, Del Santo had absolutely no signs of slowing down, the one I was possibly agreeing with at the time was Petrie but then West Coast picked him up so he couldn’t have been too bad. This lead to a big lack of that level of experience and then with an ever changing team other than a handful of players, we have had no strong team long enough to build premiership winning chemistry and here we are today
Another great video, as a North fan, this definitely wasn't roasting the team. Pretty accurate assessment. North has good young talent which need time. Most of our senior players aren't preforming like we would like which is making it worse. I personally don't think moving on the big names of Harvey, Petrie etc is the problem now. Don't get me wrong I wasn't a huge fan of retiring them before they wanted too but the problem was at that time we should have been drafting more and better players. I forget the exact year but I think it was 2016, we drafted 3 key backs and that's it, all of which got cut in the next 3 -4 years. Those guys would have 80 - 140 games and be in their prime right now. It too early to tell right now but I am still on board with the idea of really starting the list again. Like we cleared the list out so much to get in a much young talent as possible. So that in a few years they are all at their prime together. If we kept more senior players that were okay we would be like St kilda or Essendon, as in always mid table. If we senior players like tucker and Simpkin were preforming better it wouldn't be so bad. We are also experimenting a bit so hopefully soon we find the right mix as our experience grows.
I believe many north and footy fans are vocal about North because it’s been 5 years and 4 different coaches with constant failure. I think they could be on the right track but it’s already been 4-5 years of bottom 2
I’m a North fan and think this was fair. The list management has absolutely failed this club. McKay leaves and Logue is out for most of the season so they sign Pink and Biggie with a combined 1 games of experience. They had 5 1st round picks and should have parlayed them into a tall vet or two. I wanted Haynes last year. I’ve heard Grimes mentioned and that should good. Caleb Daniel is another name I’d like. Cam is leaving so you’ll have even more money. I don’t mind an overpay or two.
Two years Clarko has been coach . He has brought in Sheezel , Wardlaw , Mckercher and Duursma. Can not complain about that . Show me a side to win a grand final in their second year. Macrae is probably the only one
Thanks for the video Jesse. It's related (I think) an interesting topic of conversation is: Is the AFL head coach role overrated? To give some context, we've seen many times a premiership coach go to another battling club and fail miserably. In recent memory - Malthouse & Pagan both failed in their comeback gigs. Now we have Clarkson and Hardwick trying to perform miracles at their respective clubs. Ross Lyon also finding that the cattle he has now are a vastly different crop than the groups of players he he took to Grand Finals. Clarkson is widely considered a coaching genius, but if he can't turn North's hopes around - how good is he really? When a club is struggling - why is the head coach always the first to go? OR - do we overrate the role of head coach as AFL pundits? FWIW, I think we do.
Aidan corr has had another bad year, aside from one half against saints. Corr works best as a third tall not as our key defender. Biggie might not be up to it, hasnt looked amazing but young and inexperienced. Toby pink could still be adjusting but doesnt look up to it. Dawsons looked great, so has goater so unfortunate injuries. And logue is a beast and chom looks like AA is the limit. Players improving/ recruitment or drafting and our defence isnt too far off i believe just will take time
Fantastic assessment of the club's on field woes and joys and future. Love how you actually give reasons, a fair analysis and actual solutions. Well done
I agree I think that north needs more experience but not too old. Maybe Caleb Daniel if dogs keep omitting him from games, jimmy Webster or Jed bews or jaeger Omera but plant them at half back for 2-3 ok years
As a Carlton fan you could get Jack Martin, who’s a very handy forward option, our salary cap is starting to tighten up. So North should watch this space.
We all know that J Martin is a waste of money and time. Carlton would love to offload him. I am praying that West Coast don't fall for it like that did with that other waste of space Samo Petreski Seton
West coast won premiership in 2018 and are arguably the biggest team in the comp. I dont think the comparisons to North should be as often mentioned as they are due to the obvious disadvantages a smaller club would have in terms of recruitment, player retention etc. and west coast has winning players as leaders, we just have shiels and clarko for only this season and last. Personally dont think its all that fair the comparisons and I could go on
West Coast have very few non-drafted players on their list. The big club argument doesn’t really work. Kennedy was a trade but for Judd, Yeo was a trade, Cripps when he was young and more recently Brockman, Flynn and Hunt were trades/free agents. Pretty much everyone else was drafted and developed. Not a lot of top 10 either. Of their premiership only Nic Nat, Gaff and JK were top 10 picks.
I wouldn't be surprised if North went aftee Luke Breust, he has a strong link to Clarko, is an excellent on field leader and organiser. As a hawks fan, I would hate to lose him but tge small forward stocks at Hawthorn are pretty strong. I don't know his contract status.
I'm a north fan and I agree with most of what you said, but I think there needs to be more of an emphasis on just how bad our senior players are. Corr has played one good game but outside of that has been our worst player. Lmac and Simpkin are our captains and half the time they look like the don't try, with the other half being them not good enough to make an impact. Tucker and Stephens are useless for 80% of game time. Zurhaar might bowl someone over once in a while but does nothing else that shows he has heart or wants to play for our club. There is definitely a path out of this for us, but it's a long one as we don't have one good player on the list over 25.
bro the way jesse was going deep on examples of previous clubs with young players and what analysis he came up with in the end. i could just imagine this dude talking fox footy with commentators taking a deep dive just like that lol
And the AFL still will not require North Melbourne to merge with Tasmania. Makes total sense for the AFL and keeps an even number of teams. Will make Tas a stronger side, Brisbane Lions three peat anyone?
Alastair Clarkson doesn't seem to be able to break the cycle of previous/current skill-coaches. There is no new game style, they are doing the same wrong things they've been doing for years. The senior players are currently a dragging anchor not a help particularly Corr in defense. They desperately need a replacement for McKay down back or two and another tall mobile forward to help Larkey. The youth excuse is just that an excuse.
the big issue is that the north mids are early 20s. now they need to recruit some good talls in. but they will need to be mature age recruits because tall key position players always take a few more years to develop. that's a fact. so recruit a star 200cm key forward in 2024 and they mightn't be any good until 2028. there list is out of balance with type of player and age.
@Burningthunder90 North have not been tanking. They have had 4 coaches in a small amount of time that all had different plans. They culled players for there ideal lists. West Coast were premiers only 6 years ago and now they are a bottom side with the same coach with no massive list culls.Thats a massive fall from grace considering the team they played in that GF is now No.1
North's veterans and leaders wouldn't get a game for other clubs and are failing to set standards/a baseline for their young list. Shiels, Greenwood, Corr, Macdonald amd Simpkin are all underperforming, how can we expect them to educate the younger mob? so much talent but nobody to lead them through the storm on field.
Merge North Melbourne with the new Tasmanian team, don't stress about it just make the necessary call, for the better integrity of the AFL competition.
I think there is always an over reaction to the bottom team and the top team. It is rarely justified. I am not sure that the 14 games of experience on average and the age of the players is majorly relevant. By that logic, North should be as good as Hawthorn are now by the end of this season. They have to get games into the youngest players, that is always going to come at a cost on the scoreboard and win/loss ratio. Small things are making bigger and bigger differrences to results. North are not too far away from being a comepetitve team. Add another number 1 draft pick (or maybe two first rounders if they can split it in a trade) another 20-30 games into tge youngest guys there and the sky is the limit. There is no short term fix, no matter what happens it will take time.
I suppose my argument is that this cycle of getting games into youth over focusing on wins has now gone on five years with no real sign of a circuit breaker on the horizon. Average age/exp isn't a perfect stat but the 14
@@TrueFootyAFL Yeah, I do agree somewhat. The only danger I see though is that the players develop a long term losing attitude. If that can be avoided (not sure how they would go about that) then I don't see big losses being a much worse issue than competitive losses
@@TrueFootyAFL disagree. The true rebuild has started now. It's been 2 years that they've only just picked up sheezel, wardlaw, mckercher durrsma. Anything before these players does not count. The true rebuild has begun now.
@@TrueFootyAFLprevious seasons do not count as they lost coaches and needed to find stability. They've got that now with clarko and it's still 2 to 3 years away but will be better for it.
@@TheGunmanChannelreally using marxist as an insult? Also we have 150+ years in north melbourne. We arent going anywhere and ur just getting baited by the media.
Everyone cares about making the bottom team better. What about cats who have been top of the ladder for pretty much 12+ years straight? Why are they not ever brought back down to earth? It should work both ways, if you are bringing the bottom up after years of dissapointment, then you should bring the top down after years of dominance. Even swans and hawks were at the top a lot, but at least they had occasional down seasons in between. Give the roos any 1 or 2 players they want off the cats list each year until the roos are off the bottom and the cats are out of the 8.
They've gone through what, 5 coaches over the last 5 years? At some point you need to look at the list management, development and retention of players.
