Flat Rocker vs. Anti Rocker

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For this Channel 11, we discuss flat rocker setups versus anti rocker along with other rockers such as tri rocker and freestyle, along with our personal experiences, pros and cons, and what the future might hold for the wheels under our feet.
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@rocesboyanthony5343 Год назад

I was literally having a conversation with my girlfriend (who doesn’t skate) last night on the difference between Flat and Anti

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Haha was she team flat or team anti? 😂

@rocesboyanthony5343 Год назад

@@JumpStreetPodcast she’s team “that’s cool babe” 😂😂😂

@Johnnysthunder Год назад

I’ve seen this meme somewhere I swear lol

@jasoncalva Год назад

My first flat frame was also Fiziks, but the game changer was having the Night hitchhiker blocks that were mounted on the middle rocker arms to give wheel bite protection. It was incredible.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Oh shit I remember those

@davewestsk8 Год назад

I've been anti most of my skating life but recently converted to flat a year ago I find it alot smoother and I'm enjoying re learning all my tricks again.

@Verta33 Год назад

WAY SMOOOOTHER!!! Anti is a waste of space... Wheels that do nothing!

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Gotta love that smooth ride you get with flat

@aldolega Год назад

Future Channel 11 topic: -Does grinderblading have a future? Will it still exist in 10 or 15 years? We do not have anywhere even remotely close to enough young people blading to keep our numbers up as the existing population drops off.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

At first I read that as “do grindplates have a future” 😂 but you’re right, good topic 🙏 thanks Al

@jasoncalva Год назад

Like all things, I’m sure it will have a period of not as many people doing it, but after a while some of the Mushroom style and big wheel blading I’m sure some of those kids will re-experiment and refine grinder blading. But I don’t think it will ever completely die off.

@aldolega Год назад

@@jasoncalva Um... what Mushroom/Big wheel kids? That segment is overall even older than aggressive.

@hildarojas6872 Год назад

Great podcast! Brought me a lot of clearity on why I am choosing to ride flat now. Anti rocker is easier for me to lock on grinds but they feel a lot better on flat because of the extra speed and being forced to lock the grind clean from the beginning to avoid wheel bite. It’s a challenge I am enjoying after 15 years of riding anti!

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Definitely a good challenge to enjoy and help your skating!

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

ýoure mý heroine 😁

@bonter1983 Год назад

I just switched back to anti and I'm happy with it. Flat is great too but I have a wider trick vocabulary on anti.

@kevincollins8620 Год назад

I grind curbs around my area for fun. Flat wouldn't be as useful for me.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

I’m curious if that happens to me as well. Flat isn’t for everyone

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

but wheres the point of making things easýer on purpose...? ..like making dope triple backflips with 7 grabs on a bungee rope 😄

@kevincollins8620 Год назад

@@giovanniamore7532 Fun. Top souls on a non coping ledge still aren't "easy"... There is a learning curve to everything.

@rickyrichreacts9667 9 месяцев назад

@@kevincollins8620do you ever get people telling you to stop when you grind random places of business? I wanna get back into skating but I don’t want to intrude on peoples shit

@elliottkendall5256 Год назад

I like the kizer x, xsjado style

@cavaliertwista Год назад

Loved this! Thanks guys!

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

in the 90ies we called them grindwheels. rookies where "allowed" for better results and faster progress. most pros and veterans didnt used them cause of skills and reputation 😊

@WULFMA5TER Год назад

Outstanding talk! 🤘🏼

@ManuelBladeVlog Год назад

What a nice episode. The conversation was great. Absolutely nice to listen to.

@mattsmoove1 Год назад

When I started skating (1994ish) everybody rode anti rocker. It was the standard. Around 97', everybody switched to riding flat. I had K2 Fatty's which I rode anti rocker, then switched to the Fila Smooth-y (soft/hard boot hybrid) that had stock flat setup. I rode that way and never suffered wheel bite, big gaps where a little less intimidating because of the extra speed and softer landing. I just waxed curbs a little more and got lower on my grinds.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

I remember almost everyone riding flat in k2s back in the 90s. The h blocks were bigger too than most skates

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

@@JumpStreetPodcast ýeah, had a bit more space

@JustAnotherBlader Год назад

Great topic. Lately I hear the term “cheater skates” a lot to describe an anti-rocker with big soul plates lol. I sorta resent that term… its judgy, and no one should have to punish themselves to learn tricks, just use what’s comfortable. I mean does that mean a flat setup is a cheater skate for swivels and flat ground maneuvers? Cause as you said, Broskow can do them with anti-rocker…

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Anti rocker def isn’t cheating, it’s just a style . I have heard people call xjsados cheater skates though 😂

@WULFMA5TER Год назад

Omg Childish 😅

@ryrod Год назад

Started in 99. Skated all of my "good", younger years on anti like most. When the Kizer elements (with the H-block you could flip around for deeper or shallower groove) came out I switched to flat. Control felt more like my roller hockey background. Then the slimlines came out and I rode those flat,55-56mm, for years. However, while I never stopped skating, my skating consistency decreased do to my career and more recently, a family. I'm not as disciplined or as technically good in my movements anymore and unfortunately don't have the time to dedicate in order to reach that level again. I made the choice to return to anti after almost 10 years flat about 2 years ago. I can't afford to catch my wheels and die. Haha. If anyone wants to try anti again I found that the aluminum core wheels help keep that speed feeling you get from flat. I have 60/88a for indoor wood parks, 64/90a for smooth outdoor parks, and then regular wheels for street/driveway skating. Definitely give metal core wheels a chance. Look at CJ flying around on them while skating anti.

@jasoncalva Год назад

Omar Wysong was the first to remove the middle wheels and ride “freestyle” in the modern context. Latimer and Farmer started riding with no middle wheels and then began developing the Xsjado Mook frames. (The Kizer Type X frame is the Mook frame retooled to their brand) I think Kizer Type M frames are still in production, and Kaltik still makes their freestyle frames. I don’t like freestyle frames, but don’t mind skating a normal frame without middle wheels to make them lighter since the grooves are better and less sloppy. (But prefer flat over all else)

@art0nblades Год назад

Really like those new channel 11s! Well done: informative to newer bladers but you also get to hear sth about blading history and your own experiences! Missed opportunity here to talk about channel 11 or 33 grinds in flat vs. anti 😉 Finally becoming a patreon - love your content and Austin's new esit and Billy in Mesmer's - you guys are doing a great job skating and being ambassadors rather than gatekeepers to our community. Love the open mindesness as well. (Skated in early 90s and back since 5 years so flat was always the way to go for me, but I use anti to practice new tricks on my home driveway box, as that doesn't need much skating and I get all the benefits from anti - multiple setups has definitely become the way for me as an old back to blader ;-)

@obscenegestures Год назад

Great episode!!! Great talk. I always go back and forth -anti and flat, just depends on the mood. I want an extra pair of frames so I can switch easier from flat/anti.

@chrisgoblin4857 Год назад

Loved the discussion. I have 2 set ups one flat and one anti. I love my M12 with the Fluid 5 frames but I use 56mm Muzzle wheels to make things a bit easier. If I am going to skate ledges or at my local park with very little transition I use my USD Sway with Slimline 2 antirocker. I find it more comes down to what I want to do when it comes to it. If I want to do more swivelling about I go with the flat frames but if I know I'm going to ride chunky ledges anti every time. I do have very fond memories of the old Xsjado Mook frames.

@jonathanmorciglio4944 Год назад

My favorite flat set up was riding fiziks with gonzo pro wheels (52 mm). Now I'm going to try the tri-rocker. Miss you boys man!!! Hopefully we can get to get a skate session soon!!

@cepe740 Год назад

There’s also different anti rockers now. We got roadhouse back out with his rockers, there’s bearingless rockers, rockers made out of high grade plastic with bearings. Would be cool so see another episode like this except you guys testing the anti and flat frames. Man that would be gold!

@aztro187 Год назад

When grinding FLAT you really need to lean in it, low, using a lot of the skate it self... But nowadays, people do tricks standing almost ... BTW i just to be pretty good hehe am old now 😉

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Yea certain skate/ frame combos pretty much let you royale while standing straight up

@davequist7710 Год назад

I mentioned it in the live chat but 50/50 has a freestyle prime wall as well.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Yea those prime frames look great

@joelplotecher7051 Год назад

I really appreciate this nerdy equipment video fellas. Yes, honesty I mean this as a compliment. Thanks Austin and Billy!

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it 🙏

@rollforever_85 Год назад

I've been rolling flat/hi-lo since I came back to blading. I tried going back to anti for a day and skating around just felt awful, lol. I've been loving the Medium Oysi.. they grind like anti when skating ledges for me, but still got 8 down. Those and a traditional flat frame are my go to options right now for aggressive, then I have a big boy 3x125 set up for rec/distance type skating.

@pouringblue7 Год назад

I skate both. Fav anti rocker frame of all time is the 50/50 prime frames. Fav flat frames are sola, fiziks, and oysi. It really depends on the obstacle I'm skating. A chucked up fat ledge or rail, I do anti. Flat for very skating for speed and cause I suck at vert and need all the help I can get!

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Good to hear other people out there have multiple frame setups too 🙏

@HJJallday Год назад

For the last few years I’ve been riding Flanti-rocker. It’s anti but using a bigger wheels outside but still a regular wheel not a anti wheel inside. At the moment 64mm outside and 60mm inside. Symmetrics and Kaltik V2 are really good frames for this. It gives you speed and smoothness for all the awful paving, but the stability of anti and is much more forgiving on grinds. Depending how you look at it, it’s a best of both worlds or worst of both. Depends on what you what to keep and sacrifice. I feel there’s a lot of room for experimentation still.

@uu3903 Год назад

If anyone is wild enough to try big wheel freestyle as Billy mentioned briefly, Justin Thursday has files freely available so you can 3D print H-blocks to transform Powerslide 3x110 frames into freestyle. The same can probably be done with Kizer Trimax frames too.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

I saw that setup he made. Looked wild!

@Brianmatthewlewis Год назад

Wow… that was great. Really well done. This is so good for new skaters and was even super interesting for an old guy like me. I definitely want to try anti again. It’s been so long. But my biggest take away is having multiple setups. It’s funny… it never occurred to me. I’ve just been in a one setup mindset for so long. Again… really great job. Maybe my favorite episode. 🍻

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Awesome glad you liked it BJ 🙌

@Brianmatthewlewis Год назад

@@JumpStreetPodcast shout out Layla & Pepe

@hansvl1363 Год назад

Rode Symmetric frames flat for two years, felt good but didn't like the frames. Switched back to Creates, loved the frames. Can't find to right bolts to skate them flat with dead wheels. So riding Anti again, great for grinding, less smooth ride on street. When getting the right bolts I will skate the creates flat.

@danielhady3021 Год назад

I remember skating Fiziks back in the day with 52mm eulogies and still would get wheel bite. I ended up switching to freestyle exclusively for years. I snapped the Fiziks, a pair of Salomon frames, and and pair of Ranier Pyramide fluids. I lived the Pyramide fluids for freestyle. I got super good at landing in that tiny h block that I had grooved so well. It's been years since I've skated, I'm interested in getting another pair and skating again. I had so many great boots, TRS access, Rzr Elliot 2s, Murdas, Deshi CKs, Salomon VM and Rob Thompsons, and Valo EB1. I'm interested in the Blank SK or Aeons. only thing is back in the day I always skated skates that were too big because of my wide ass feet. I'd like to see if I can try a smaller boot. I also had Salomon ST 9s and 8s and TRS Estillos. I had so many pairs. So many memories.

@jeffdouglascreates Год назад

Used to be Anti all day but the last few years and skating around rocks and pebbles and not wanting to eat sh*t I now mostly skate flat

@Master_Psyper Год назад

Sorry that the Franky interview fell through, I know we’re all crazy excited for that but another week isn’t bad. I’ve actually been looking at a good flat setup as I’ve made my return on anti, it’s not bad but all this talk, I’ve just been wondering if it’s worth it or not.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Franky will be back next week!

@mylesjohnson7351 Год назад

I have not gotten to try wizards but I love big wheels 3x 125mm I enjoy rolling around the city and just hitting a few mizus on a ledge or rail I prefer a setup like that when in the city and a flat setup or anti at the skate park

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

remember a skater with flat rocker grinding in a miniramp, and he was so small and in shoesize too he couldnt grind the coping, it made the funniest squeechie sounds cause he had zero space between his wheels 😄 hahhahaahaha

@giovanniamore7532 Год назад

that mixed rockers setup reallý enlighend me 🤔

@xdepredatex Год назад

These channel 11 videos are awesome. I’m skating 58mm flat right now, and I have a big wheel 80mm set up. I noticed a big difference when I came back to my aggressive set up. I just got some 55mm red eye wheels and I kind of want to try them on the outside just to see what that rocker feels like. I’d love to hear you guys to talk about the progression of style both in the skating itself, but also fashion. I’m also curious what are indicators of good style.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Indication of good style is mostly a preference, but getting lower on those royale tricks definitely helps in my opinion. If you’re going to rocker 58s, you’ll probably get good results with 56s on the outside. 55 might be a bit crazy

@patrickryan3109 Год назад

Murda block was great for a poor kid who had enough troubles getting 4 wheels let alone 8 of any kind or combo.

@Habeev07 Год назад

Anti for life.

@nitemirror1 Год назад

started skating in the late 90s when Team Paradise was still a thing. first skates were walmart skates w the middle wheels removed. went to osyi medium 2 years back. There was a learning curve, but the speed is worth getting over it. just wax for wheel bite and get more speed. tried to skate anti the other day just to see what it was like. it’s complete trash. yeah i could lock on to anything and spin out of anything but who cares. it really wasn’t worth it to go back in any measure besides vanity/ insecurity with technical grinding. if you street skate then get 4 down and wax past to where the wheel touches. my soul plate and wheels last way longer now, i’m not replacing parts as often. and i’m getting on top of my tricks easier w more speed.

@yoshslac Год назад

Love this Channel 11 format. Just a little feedback, maybe tou're already aware, but your sound is not equal, Austin is so much lower than Billy.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Glad you’re enjoying them and thanks for the feedback. We’ve been having a few audio issues for some reason but tuning it throughout the episode ha

@phyush355 Год назад

That intro in the beginning is always classic Mr O'Neill used to be one of my favorites but get off the tight pants tight shorts come on make it breathe a little bit let's go back to baggy. I'm 40. Flat is always easier to cruise. anti rocker now is too much of a struggle in the push but you can you grind without worrying to be caught

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Everyone’s got their own style but good to see you rolling at 40! 🤜🤛

@Boelie1622 Год назад

Symmetric frames flat gives you 0 wheelbite, I jump on curbs like I am skating anti rocker.

@HJJallday Год назад

I second this. Best ledge frames I’ve ever skated. It’s almost safer in symmetrics flat than some anti frames where you can slip out easier

@rollforever_85 Год назад

I really want to try these frames xD

@joelplotecher7051 Год назад

No wheels, makes me think of Soap shoes.

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Hahaha

@IconML Год назад

I thought getting low on tricks was the “best style”?

@jordskates Год назад

After skating anti for so many years I'm struggling to skate flat (hi-low) on some Oysi medium frames due to getting wheel bite. Fully aware that I'm the problem and not the frames, but think I will just stick with anti

@JumpStreetPodcast Год назад

Yea it’s not for everyone. Depends on the way you skate mostly I think

@rollforever_85 Год назад

The oysi medium are great! I'm surprised you got wheel bite in those..

@jordskates Год назад

@@rollforever_85 the frames are really good, it's just my lack of skill that's the problem. I've had no issues on rails but got wheel bite a few times on a concrete pool coping at my local. In my head I'm doing super controlled royales on the backside groove of my skate....but in reality when I look back at the footage I'm doing awkward UFO's leaning back onto the coping 😂. Years of skating with those plastic ant rocker wheels has just got me lazy knowing I'll slide no matter how bad my posture on the coping is

@rollforever_85 Год назад

@@jordskates to be fair, I think the wheelbite protection on the medium oysi works best on very flat ledges. With a raised coping I feel like you're more likely to stick in those compared to a traditional flat frame. What wheels are you rocking on the inside? I find the Dead 58mm/92a work really well.

@jordskates Год назад

@@rollforever_85 On the inside I've got some 57mm 94a Anarchy wheels. If you haven't heard of them that's just because they are a really cheap UK brand, I only went with them as they were the hardest I could find at 94a. I'll use the frames again at some point, mainly just as I don't want the cost of a new pair of frames, 8 whesls and 16 bearings to go to waste. But I' ve reverted back to an anti rocker GC featherlite setup at present and will save skating flat for my big wheel setups so I can get the enjoyment of speed that way

@masterofnone1481 Год назад

Have 2 frames 👌

@inkflo Год назад

10 years from now, 10x80mm wheels with a 4 inch H blocks

@longtermsquatter Год назад

Swapping frame set ups is awful. We need soulframes for different setups or we need our frames to use something like the quattro system from adapt

@stevenwright8335 Год назад

Get aeons + an anti setup 💜

@giovanniamore7532 10 месяцев назад

anti is learning wheels

@georgecantsurf 5 месяцев назад

Broskow and Julien cudot prove you can do anything better whether it be ground finesse or mega ramp on anti if you have acquired the skill and don’t rely on emotional support wheels lol