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Flat Roof Insulation, Bad Storage and Gluing Down! 

Steve Roofer
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Should we glue down insulation on flat roofs? Personally, I think the only time you glue it down should be when you can't fix the insulation down using thermally broken fixings. Roof insulation when delivered to the site should be checked for moisture content for two reasons 1) if the moisture of the insulation is too high will the glue work 2) If you fix wet or damp insulation into your roof you could be locking the moisture in and that could course interstitial condensation. We know we can trust a screw to work and not to fail but we don't know if glue works until it fails so surely glueing down insulation should not be the chosen method and should only be used if there is no other way. Wind uplift of roofing materials is a great concern with building control and health and safety. Wind uplift is when the wind picks up a roof and rips it off. This can happen on exposed edges of the roof or from the centre when a vacuum effect happens. Badly stored insulation from the manufacturer is also a problem, I have been into lots of builders yards and seen that the insulation is stored outside and in some instances has been outside for a great period of time. When delivered to the site the insulation should be checked for moisture content and returned if it's too high. Storage of roof insulation at the job or on the building site is also crucial, it should be stored inside and in a dry environment. During the summer months this is normally not a problem, but in the winter months keeping the moisture dry can be a problem. Construction moisture building up in roofs is a well-documented problem and buildings constructed in the winter months are prone to this problem. If a roof is being constructed as a cold roof in the winter the external air moisture IE relative humidity could be up to 100 % on some days and not dropping down to 50% for some time therefore the chances of the insulation drying out is imposable in fact mould and fungus could thrive in these conditions. My name is Steven Dickinson London Flat roofing 07802300099 #steveroofer#roofsurveyor

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Комментарии : 52   
@TurinTuramber
@TurinTuramber 2 года назад
As a builder, glues have come a long way but a mechanical fixing lets me sleep at night.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes that's exactly my point
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Next week I'll publish what went wrong with this roof the full story
@dannymurphy1779
@dannymurphy1779 2 года назад
It's heartwarming you care so much about this Steve.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Thanks
@michaelnorman9644
@michaelnorman9644 2 года назад
Hi Steve... Thanks for another great video. Just used the altrux self adhesive on our last job, then 120mm insulation and 18mm t&g with edpm... Thanks for recomendation. What adhesive do you find best if not laying a top deck before edpm?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
we use a spray glue we get from a company called gemini adhesives also firestone do one it a big cylinder of glue like a small camping gas bottle cost about £250 each new one the lance lasts forever even without cleaning have had mine for several years never cleaned just moved from one bottle to another you get 100s of meters of glue out of it and its so useful for other things even if I didn't do roofing would have one on the van
@bikerchrisukk
@bikerchrisukk 2 года назад
Can't imagine trusting glue but it probably better for thermals, slab nails all the way. Glad I keep insulation dry for as long as poss. Borrowed a mates infrared camera once, interesting to look from inside and see cold spots in joists where nails go through.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes thats why we use thermally broken fixing and not just nails or screws
@benrichards1
@benrichards1 2 года назад
I bought my insulation and just kept it in a dry room for a couple of months. I dont have a moisture tester and getting a company to tell you how they store their insulation, is nigh on impossible it would seem. Luck of the draw.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes It all problems we could do without but it can be costly if its not don correctly
@TurinTuramber
@TurinTuramber 2 года назад
I am a big believer of wherever possible, giving moisture an escape route without opening up for ingress. Sounds obvious but sometimes people seal in moisture when waterproofing and create the problems.
@paulrenwick6231
@paulrenwick6231 2 года назад
Hi Steve Our roofer uses rolls of lapped 3b as a vapour barrier! What’s you thoughts on using this method? Thanks
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Don't know what 3b is Lapped is not sealed and air tight and airtightness is more important that the material used
@RGM501
@RGM501 2 года назад
What about a timber frame wall that i have.....Clay tile hang on the outside, the plyboard is only 11mm then on the inside 100mm celotex ,then 25mm over timber frame then plasterboard ,but surely there still would be moisture on the inside of the ply on a very cold frosty day like on the inside of a flat roof...
@rossmale8715
@rossmale8715 2 года назад
Yes, shouldn't have ply. Should be a breathable membrane against the stud wall then tile batten and tiled. That'd be sufficient to ventilate. Other than that you'd need some sort of ventilation top and bottom to create cross flow
@fuzzypicture1
@fuzzypicture1 2 года назад
Hi Steve, at the very end of the video, you are filling the thermally broken fixings with what looks like silicone. Is this stop them filling up with dirt/water? I had intended to use foam to fill them.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes on that particular roof we were using a liquid roofing system and all the liquid would run down the hole and the roofing system wouldn't work so you have to seal the tops if you're using a liquid system if you're not it's not a problem
@fuzzypicture1
@fuzzypicture1 2 года назад
Brilliant, cheers.
@charlemontparkway00gaugemo31
@charlemontparkway00gaugemo31 2 года назад
Hi i have one of those old fashioned coal house and outside toilet builds it has a large concrete slab as roof, question hows best to insulate it please, from inside or outside as i plan to do a lean too shingle roof
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
If you do it from the outside you have to glue the insuastion down you also have to extend it around the outside edges to stop thermal bridging
@charlemontparkway00gaugemo31
@charlemontparkway00gaugemo31 2 года назад
@@SteveRoofer thanks can i still put some on inside say a vapour barrier and 25mm celotex
@crazyjoyce
@crazyjoyce 2 года назад
PIR foam is closed cell so doesn’t absorb water and PU glue/foam is moisture setting. Even if the boards were damp it is unlikely to have affected the bond. I prefer a mica faced vapour over that alutrix foil
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
What brand VCL is mica faced ?
@crazyjoyce
@crazyjoyce 2 года назад
@@SteveRoofer bauder
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
EVA 35 Air & Vapour Control Layer. ?
@crazyjoyce
@crazyjoyce 2 года назад
@@SteveRoofer or ksd which is self adhesive
@crazyjoyce
@crazyjoyce 2 года назад
no its not sorry, duo is the sticky underlay
@Daninashed
@Daninashed 2 года назад
If you have to lever it up with a shovel then the bond is strong enough. How is it ever going to be subjected to wind uplift if the covering face layer is sound?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
As you could hear it did sound like it was down quite well but more glue would not have gone a miss
@philsims6607
@philsims6607 2 года назад
Hi Steve, So is it as simple as just running a moisture metre over the insulation or is there a better way?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes that's what I do now I record the temperature and RH ( relative humidity) on the day we lay it and moister content of the insulation when it was delivered I have only just started to do this so will have dater to publish in a year or so.
@TheBigSugs
@TheBigSugs 2 года назад
Are you turning away deliveries over a certain moisture content Steve? And do you tell the suppliers prior to delivery that you’ll be testing the moisture content so they don’t send you bad batches in the first place?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
@@TheBigSugs I'm getting it from a supplier that I know stores it correctly I can drive into there warehouse any time and test it there and on the job
@garvielloken3929
@garvielloken3929 2 года назад
NOOICE!
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Thanks
@anthonylombardi3370
@anthonylombardi3370 2 года назад
Can anyone make a recommendation an adhesive in the USA?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Sorry I don't know much about the US market so cant help
@markbradley6993
@markbradley6993 2 года назад
Hi Steve Quick question you mention thermal break fixings can you give an example please, Thanks Mark
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
THis page on my website has some photos of them londonflatroofing.co.uk/blogs/flat-roof-insulation-fixings/
@jamesevans3347
@jamesevans3347 2 года назад
Hi Steve, some great content. Slightly off topic, would like your thoughts on multifoil insulation for warm or cold flat roof constructions.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
I like it in pitched roofs haven't used it in cold roofs so cant comment
@jamesevans3347
@jamesevans3347 2 года назад
@@SteveRoofer...was hoping you'd do a video on it.
@fitzanator436
@fitzanator436 2 года назад
So the roof didn’t leak through the rubber ?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
No
@jamiehalpin9921
@jamiehalpin9921 2 года назад
Just how you'd remove a traditional felt roof.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
sorry don't understand
@fyourhandlegoogle
@fyourhandlegoogle 2 года назад
Who made the title, Yoda?
@davidcoleman6032
@davidcoleman6032 2 года назад
Why doesn't the insulation manufacturers make it closed cell and not open then it would be more fool safe?
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
It is closed cell however the moisture gets between the bond of the little cells
@jamiehalpin9921
@jamiehalpin9921 2 года назад
Thing is, you're levering it of with a shovel...... come on.
@SteveRoofer
@SteveRoofer 2 года назад
Yes but one of the sheets comes up quite easily, however I have to say it pretty good
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