FLAWLESS* Way of Forming BYZANTIUM!!! - I Swear I'm Not a Byzantophile 

got to give a big thanks to dave, he's really taught me so much about the game and i'm a much better player because of him thank you master dave 🙏

Third Rome is Raid Shadowlegends

Everyone and their dog claimed to be the Third Rome

Third Rome is Moscow, as after the fall of the second Rome a royal marriage with a member of the Byzantine royal family married the leader of Muscovy and they claimed the title in the hope of retaking Constantinople as Tsargrad.

"They are museum pieces" It's funny, because the Averof cruiser (the pride of the Greek fleet in the game) is now used as a floating museum.

Dave says he is not a byzantophile Me: that would a byzantophile would say

When you’re so early that Dave hasn’t hearted the trivia answers yet: *I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.*

If you were a real "Byzantophile" you wouldn't call it that. You'd be like me, a Romaboo.

game: *Soviet union breaks molotov-ribbentrop pact* germany: excuse me wtf

I like how tommy asked in his livestream if anyone has ever used paradox icon for his unit. And then a few days later feedback does it. What a madlad

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The third Rome was literally anyone

"perfectly balanced as all things should be" Byzantium is the Thanos of countries, its even purple...

Greece: Can get cores on all of the balkans, turkey and north africa Bulgaria: doesnt even have core on dobrudja or macedonia

"Greece is a low population nation" Laughs in Independent state of Croatia

To be honest, an easier way of conquering Turkey is just invading them through the Aegean islands

Russian Tsardom (Moscow ) was the Third Rome

Muscuvy is the third rome, Eu4 taught me that.

There is no “official” Third Rome, as many like to claim that title, but most of the time Moscow is considered the Third Rome

Moscow was the “third Rome”.

"Don't touch it, that's your PP Bank" Dave 2019

Make the iberian union with Portugal Dave :D with all the colonies. Targets: Spain, Brazil, Spain's african colonies plus islands, all the american spanish speaking countries, the part of the USA that belonged to spain(I think that existed), phillipines, gibraltar, portuguese speaking countries Optional: Land that They discovered: South africa, the costal regions of french colonies(both happened in the discoveries era) and Japan(Portugal was the first european country to find Japan) Extra credit territories : Scicilly, Sardinia, Malta(Part of aragon) Good luck x3

Didn't get 50% fascist untill May 1937 despite taking the same focusses and taking the fascist politcal guy right away.... what am i doing wrong???

Hey Feedback, great video I would love to see more of this kind of content. I:d really like to see you do sunrise invasion as Japan with the latest version of the game. I've seen you do it pre man the guns, but not after. Preverbial gauntlet thrown.

The third rome was Moscow, after the fall of Constantinople

The third Rome was Moscow I think

Third Rome is Moscow. I have started playing HOI4 on a much higher level thanks to these videos. I really appreciate them, since they provide not only entertain me, but they help me to play better.

According to our greek textbooks the Third Rome was Moscow, because they continued with Roman ambitions

Do Gran Columbia Achievement if you haven't done it already.

About 3rd Rome there's is literally a whole lot of successors but 3 main r H.R.E.(Holy Roman Empire) Ottoman Empire and then id say the closest one is a Russian Empire

I know i'm a week late to be nitpicking, but I laughed a little bit when you mentioned not wanting to research a doctrine without the bonus, when you had 95 army xp. About 5 seconds later in the video, you had 100.

When people think of the Third Rome, Russians usually come to mind. But in fact, Mehmed II, who was the conqueror of Constantinople, declared himself Kayseri-i Rum (Caesar of Rome).

Ts everybody knows that sealand is the third rome

will you read this comment feedback? and Moscow

I am facing many problems with paratrooping and invading by sea... Why doesnt the tutorial include this attacking way?? I just dont get it what should I do, I check the air and navy superiority in all close sea and land regions; all green, then I check if the paratroops/divisions are in an air base/port... I order the ENTIRE fleet to support the naval invasion... I check the amount of planes/convoys I need... I check if the paratroopers have the transport planes they need, I check the range in which the plane can reach, I give them a special leader with medals etc., the attacking arrow shows the amount of divisions I ordered to attack, I press execute... still nothing, then I remake the process, I press execute, enter... NOTHING... WTH?? PLEASE HELP!!!

Dave hist as an FYI in my games when I don’t put my fleet out and just sit on ports turkey will invade and if you can keep the ports that’s 15 to 20divisions you can kill depending on how many invasions happen.

The new french claim on Yugo has completely messed this up for me

Just came across this channel after being furious on how to properly play the game and why my strategies don't work. Hoping to learn more and get achievements from you! Seriously, this is like... GOD TIER gameplay.

"What was the Third Rome" there is no consensus lol

1:20There wasn't actually a third regognized one but when the Constantinople fell Slavic countries(today Russia) named Moscow as the third rome but wasn't regognized by anyone obviously

Moscow is the third Rome due to Orthodox religion.

Just listen to feedback's voice in the begging and the and of the video. He s so tired! thank you, feedback, for your patience!

I would appreciate an advice video for doing difficult naval landings. As Italy trying to take the last Allied holdouts (in the med) in Malta and Gibraltar is just so frustrating. I tried with marines as well but the entrenchment appeared (?) to be the main reason I wasn't making it. It's possible my templates were trash as well, idk. And the allies still had a big navy, America had joined, Japan had lost to a bum rush naval invasion by the US. Which tbh totally killed my interest in continuing that save but hey. I think figuring that out would help a little. I mean, I don't care that much, it was my first game so, it's likely going to be a shitshow. As paradox games experience has taught me. The first game you play will likely be the one with the most mistakes. I probably didn't push for the right industry. Should I have not bothered with heavy ships and naval bombers? Probably though I do like the naval bombers for contesting the mediterranean. But yeah, naval landings against well entrenched enemies would be good to learn about. Thanks for your content man, appreciate it.

I'm a bit late, but...depends. The Russians (Moscow) used the title Tsar (Caesar) and WWII Germany (Berlin) called themselves the 3rd Rome.

Please do the "Duce Nuked'Em" achievement. And as a bonus reform the roman empire.

Hey FeedBack, I'm pretty sure that artillery expert only makes a difference on divisions classified as "artillery divisions", which for 40 width divisions requires 6 artillery battalions rather than 4. Artillery divisions also gain the bonuses from infantry expert so I think it would've been better for you to use 11-6s rather than 14-4s which only get the bonuses from infantry expert. forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/military-staff-bonuses-dont-work-they-way-you-think-they-do.988334/ Do you know if this is any different now?

I tried this so many times, and couldn't figure out how to get Albania and Yugoslavia - this video demonstrated it perfectly!

Muscovy was the Third Rome, because their King married someone from Byzantine royal family. Since then, Russian Tsars struggled in attempts to claim Constantinopole and gain control over Orthodox faith.

I was so happy to see Byzantium restored up until she invaded Canada

I find 'Crusader Kings 2' achievement quite hard. Seems very RNG based.

I somehow can't get italy into my faction. Or make a faction with them. Any advice? I tried improving relations, spiking world tension a little for a bonus etc etc. :/ Ohh, so I just rewatched the part, it's actually surprisingly simple. You declare on yugo and therefore am in a war which makes the mali for italy dissappear. Me dumb. >-

A good idea and strategy I used was I waited a little longer for declaring on Romania because they guaranteed turkey saving me time

Feedback not touching his pp bank - circa November 2019

The country that has the "best claim" to the third Rome would be Russia(Grand Duchy of Moscow at the time), and Moscow due to it being the new center of the Orthodox faith after 1453 when Constantinople finally fell to the Ottoman forces. They had a doctrine, where the Moscow Prince would act as the Sovereign and legislator of Christian Orthodox nations, and a sort of defender of the faith. Some Eastern Orthodox people even nominated Moscow as the "New Rome". It was further developed when during the reign of some Russian ruler (I forgot who) called himself Czar, or Tzar. Even by the rules and laws of inheritance, Ivan was able to claim he was the heir of the fallen Empire, but the fallen Empire never acknowledged those laws. The Ottomans also had claims to it as well with Mehmed II declaring himself Kayser-i Rum. The claim was recognized by the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople even. His strongest claim though was that Constantinople was the seat of the Romans, and the Ottoman capital becoming Constantinople after the fall of the Byzantines. The title did basically turn to dust after his death. The Greeks had claims to it due to them having the language of the Byzantines, and culture in a way as well. The idea was more of a nationalist aspiration though (often referred to as the Megali Idea as well) which fell to dust after the Greco-Turkish war. The Serbians also had a claim, which didn't last long. There isn't much to expand here other than the claim kind of died before the fall of the Byzantines in the first place. The Bulgarians had a claim before the fall of the Byzantines, and their flag was similar to the Byzantines during the time they had the claim. Like most other claims, this came from really only one ruler who called himself "Emperor of the Romans" and it broke into war between the Bulgarians and Byzantines over this conflict. Eventually the Byzantines recognized him as "Emperor of the Bulgarians" at the time. The title "tsar" was adopted by all Bulgarian monarchss until their fall under Ottoman rule. The Spanish claims is interesting actually. The claimant Byzantine Emperor ceded the Roman Imperial crown to Spain after their union together in his will. Many cities and institutions in the Kingdom of Spain still use the double-headed Roman eagle. The Latin Empire, a Crusader state tried, and horridly failed to hold themselves as successors to the Byzantines in the late 1200s while putting a Catholic ruler on the throne. The Byzantines ended up retaking the land anyways. (The Latin Empire literally didn't even own all of Greece. How the fuck are they an empire) The Third Rome claims have been brought through the Holy Roman Empire as expected. The HRE was an attempt at the Western Roman Empire if I remember correctly, despite it not really... making sense honestly. The German Empire claimed to be the Third Rome through the HRE lineage after its formation in 1871. This is shown in the German king being called "Kaiser". The claims were heavily criticized because Germany was led by a Protestant ruler, and they had never even discussed it with the Catholic church. Their coat of arms was an eagle as well. Being the Emperor of the HRE for so long, Austria laid claim at the heir of the HRE after it was dismantled and attempted to unite Germany under their rule. They failed, obviously. Their coat of arms was incredibly similar to the HRE's. French Claimed the Third Rome through the First French Empire. Napoleon transformed his empire into one modeled on the Roman Empire, and even called his own imperial crown "Crown of Charlemagne" which was also considered a lead to the Western Romans anyways. Probably the most famous claim to the Third Rome was Fascist Italy. Mussolini heavily used Mare Nostrum in his propaganda, and referred to his Italy as a "New Roman Empire" or "Third Rome". The third after the Imperial and Papal ones. Romania had considered themselves some sort of successors to Rome, and even Romanian historical work stated that the Romanians "All come from Rome". In the 1300s, it was stated that the Balkan Vlaches "were once the shephards of the Romans" who "had over them ten powerful kings in the entire Messia and Pannonia" Through some inheritance, and separation from the Roman Empire, people talk about Finland being the "legit heir of the Roman Empire" There really isn't a lot of claim to this, but it is there. I feel this is one of the weakest claims, even despite most of these claims being rather weak. As an interesting fact, others consider America as a sort of "Fourth Rome". It has been a Great Power since it's independence (yes, it has. It may not have been as powerful as the UK, or France, or whatever but it was STILL a great power due to size, budget, etc), and it's scale from the Louisiana Purchase on has been comparable to the Roman Empire. It it multi-ethnic and multi-racial, and at least since 1940 had a huge military establishment. It has often aped Roman architecture, and Americans do things on a big scale like the Romans did. America has an eagle as their national Symbol. There are a lot of parallels between the Roman Republic, and the United States of America, and a lot of differences, but something interesting to think about nonetheless. ~Alyssa

Third Rome depending on who you ask: -Holy Roman Empire (kinda controlled Rome for a bit) -Ottoman Empire (owned old Byzantine Empire... so kinda checks out) -Russian Empire (I guess because they got Christianity from the Greeks...?) -Mussolini (Patently ridiculous)

Germany: Breaks Molotov-Ribbentrop pact USSR: Uno Reverse

France doesn't stop guaranteeing Yugoslavia for me in the current version, so I cannot do it this way... :/ What is the reason for them to stop guaranteeing?

Finally my wished achievement came true

Ngl I always thought you were bigger but when I checked „only“ at 150k subs that’s quite underrated tbh

The third Rome was the friends we made along the way

I’m just hear to boost the algorithm

3rd Rome was either France or Spain, depending on if that one Bynzatine prince sold his titles to France or his titles were inherited by Isabella and Ferdinand.

I've been following this video exactly, but here is the problem.. when I declare on Albania and yugo at same time, the second one is not ready to DOW on until after the first DOW expires. Any thoughts?

idk why but I can't find any way to sync up my justification time, it always divides end times by 2-3 months

Can you redo this after la resistance because they changed the guarantees on Balkan nations

So I'm doing the exact same focuses and have the fascist demagogue but noticed that when he is able to hold the national referendum, I only have 40% support, what gives?

I was able to flip to fascism by October 1937 by rolling back to 1.7.1 hydra update, but i cannot get Italy to create a faction even with 100% relations. Any help or ideas??

Is there a dlc needed to form nations like byzantium or ottomans?

RUUUUUUUUUUUUSSIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA specifically moscow :X happy comment harvesting feedback :)

It IS clearly spain, the only real successor of Rome

If I ready for this video ? I wait for this the hole fucking week.

The third Rome was the grand duchy of muscovy later Kievan Rus,which would grow into the Tsardom of Russia under Ivan Vasilevich III

Last time I was this early Istanbul was still Constantinople

*[HAPPY BYZANTINE WAR CRY]* Thank you Dave !!

So we have a perfect look over here ladies and gentleman to the right we can see the creature in its natural habitat: A British AI defending another river or strait.

10 seconds in to the video was probably the best part and the third rome is the HRE

I’ve tried this method a few times. I’ve had two issues. First is that the flip to fascism happens several months after it did in the video every time: second is usually there is no way to time the justifications because after you start one the next is plus 50%.

Followed the video exactly, but didn't nearly get enough fascist support at the time you already could hold a referendum.... did you get an event to boost fascist support or something? Because at 22 september 1936 you already had more than enough fascism and I am still stuck with 34% despite taking all the same focuses and taking the fascist demagogue right away....

Yes. I would love more achievement videos

I wish I had done this achievement sooner. Not sure the best way to approach it now because the Albania-Italy trick does still work, but Yugoslavia starts the game being guaranteed by France now. So if you go after them first you have to deal with a major power right out of the gates, and that's not great for Greece. I've been trying going for Albania and Bulgaria first, and they're not tough to take out, but so much can go wrong with Yugoslavia. Honestly curious what a post-La Resistance strategy would be.

I don’t understand how he flips so fast. Earliest I can get is March of 1937 using discredit am I doing something wrong

Bruh now days with the new dlcs the entire Balkans is guaranteed RIP getting yugo I guess.

The name of the Greek Field Marshall was literally Mark Dragon so,it's impossible to lose the war with a dragon as your leader

So I need a dlc to form the byzantine empire? I just got all the states required and I still haven't gotten the pop up.

The third rome can be seen as either the HRE or the Ottoman or the Russians

I think is the Charlemagne Empire or The Holy Roman Empire!

I cant make a faction with Italy even after getting relatiosn too 100. Ive tried thsi twice now help.

Thank you so much for this

st Petersburg was the true third rome

I would like to see Rule britannia or Crusader Kings 2. Also third Rome is Moscow. Also fun fact: fourth Rome is technically Finland although its very far stretched theory.

i actually followed this vid and it worked thanks feedback

The third Rome is hidden within the Bermuda Triangle, and is Eddy III's secret base.

From Total War: Medieval II i know it was Moscow.

I say we get rid of this silly empire, and make it a GREAT BRITISH COLONY

Third rome is either aachen or il Vaticano depending on whether your of a temporal or spiritual mindset.

Are you playing with a mod/dlc in this video, because it's not in the base game as far as I can tell

You know, it’s kind of funny that everyone that has tried to reform the Roman Empire has failed or come no where close to its glory. I’m pretty sure that people back then thought that naming their empire after Rome would bring it success. (It never did.)

Russians like to say Moscow was the third Rome but a third Rome didn’t really existed

What was the third rome: What wasn't, some russians call themself the third rome, there is also the HRE, the ottomans said they were the decendents of the romans and there is also mussoliny and his failed rome. (Plus Napolion and the german kaiser declared themself as ceasars.)

so whenever i flip, i try to justify agaisnt yugo and albania and for some reason the first justification is 240 days and the second is 360, is there something im doing wrong? i follow the video to a t