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Flite Test F-4 Maiden at Birmingham RC! 

Ben Harber
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@Warpig0321
@Warpig0321 7 месяцев назад
This jet actually looks like it's reasonably calm to fly.
@KeenanT78
@KeenanT78 Год назад
My dad worked on the F4 in the Airforce. I just got into the hobby flying. My first plane is a 500mm Volantec Cub. 4 channel.
@BillKisel
@BillKisel 2 года назад
Great job flying and troubleshooting. Brings back memories... Served in the Marine Corps and was attached to VMFA-542 for its first Vietnam tour - April-December 1965. And of course, at that time, the squadron was flying F4 Phantoms. Would love to see you finish your FT F-4 as a Marine Fighter Attack aircraft. PS. My YT comment logo that you see was our squadron patch. The "patch" was panted on the vertical stabilizer - both sides if I remember correctly. Also, our call letters were WH, Whiskey Hotel, but we affection referred to it as Whore House. 😊
@Mikeylikesit1968
@Mikeylikesit1968 2 года назад
Awesome F-4 and awesome flying site. Hello from California
@jcheck6
@jcheck6 2 года назад
Real F-4 has two aux air doors on bottom that are open anytime the gear is down. More for cooling than anything else. As a side note, squadron mate took off with a leaking external center-line fuel tank and the fuel was sucked in around the engines thru those doors and lit by the afterburners. They ended up ejecting.
@jbrundt
@jbrundt 2 года назад
technical term for them is 'sucker doors' ..lol. On the Harrier inlet for example, these are spring loaded and open on the ground at high power settings when you need maximum airflow for vertical takeoff and not enough direct airflow thru the engine with no forward motion. Differential air pressure and the calibrated spring force controls when they open and close. but your technical analysis was correct. low air pressure was forcing the doors to suck closed from air flow on the underside of the fuse as well as ram air going down the duct to the motors. typically in full size aircraft bypass doors are either mechanically controlled via springs and differential air pressure or thru electo-mechnical control with co-ordination with airspeed/AoA/EPR and other sensor inputs. Nice F-4, when you upgrade to 6s it will really move. Hope you get the launch dolly sorted. Another option we've used in the past is a bungee /catapult launch. There should be plans on the web for ideas on this method.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Thanks for that! Yes I’ve worked closely with propulsion engineers in my day-job, and I’ve tried to pick up as much as possible from them. 😁 I have also thought of using the launch cart WITH a bungee; catapult style. 😆
@jbrundt
@jbrundt 2 года назад
@@TheHarberHangar actually you have a frame that holds the plane. you stake the bungee about 50-75yds from the frame, attach the rind to a hook on the bottom of the plane while in the launch frame, give full power then have a foot pedal release the plane from the launch frame... up you go. I wouldn't mess with the bungee pulling the dolly with the plane on it...too much can go wrong there.
@air-headedaviator1805
@air-headedaviator1805 2 года назад
Love a good flight study and test. No matter how good the simulation reality in the air can reveal different problems. Engineering things!
@skynyrdd1
@skynyrdd1 2 года назад
Great videos and love the Phantom, she flies well. Looks like a great day and what a flying site too.
@bowmanzz1
@bowmanzz1 2 года назад
Great video Ben, love seeing the problems, discovery, and solutions being implemented. A true flite test engineer right here!
@timgarrett203
@timgarrett203 2 года назад
Blow in doors were common on early jets. The widely separated inlets are more likely introducing asymmetric flow during turns. Your “cheater holes” are very close together on centerline and are less likely to be asymmetric in my opinion 🧐. The Phantom is always a favorite of a lot of people. Lots of color schemes possible! Awesomeness!
@garyhilson7220
@garyhilson7220 2 года назад
Run a CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamic) of the model in SOLIDWORKS to prove the theories.
@KompletterGeist
@KompletterGeist Год назад
@@garyhilson7220 i've spent quite some time with cfd programs and i can tell you that's wasted effort. You'd need to implement some kind of an EDF model and even then...an unvalidated CFD is quite worthless. I used starCCM+ and although the simulations were super sophisticated, some results were over 30% off
@j-wings
@j-wings 2 года назад
Those auxiliary intakes are a cool feature! Nice job figuring out how to make the airflow work with 4S on-site
@WindCatcherRC
@WindCatcherRC 2 года назад
That F4 is a beautiful plane! Cool to see how you figured out the cheater doors. I bet that's a monster on 6s.
@strutbuster
@strutbuster 2 года назад
Too much fun with this one Ben. Learned a few things in the process. Great build and awesome flights!
@geraldcates7785
@geraldcates7785 Год назад
The saying you were looking for would be: "Not for the faint of heart!"
@SuckItYouTube19
@SuckItYouTube19 2 года назад
The baddies in WW2 did that launch style with the Komet.👍👍
@semperatis
@semperatis 2 года назад
What a great build Ben, I'm glad that you sorted out the airflow issue.
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 2 года назад
Fantastic flying, Ben! 😃 That place looks sweet! Seems to be really fun! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@dutchloveRC
@dutchloveRC 2 года назад
looks sweet brother
@Lipo-man
@Lipo-man 2 года назад
The phantom is cool, obviously, but that foamboard (?) Stearman is fantastic. 👏👏👏👏
@terryperrott8567
@terryperrott8567 Год назад
Really noticeable more air flow to the EDF's on take off after removing cheater doors, it didn't even dip down at all. You through a 6s battery in it , you will see significant change for the better. The Phantom has been one of my favorites
@Sabotage_Labs
@Sabotage_Labs 2 года назад
Sounds like an easy 3d printer grill easy fix!
@martindinner3621
@martindinner3621 2 года назад
"if a jet can even be a floater"... U-2 has entered the chat.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
🤣
@walk4718
@walk4718 2 года назад
Another informative video; thank you Professor Harber😀 The fans need to breathe 👌 Great build !
@RedneckEngineerMakerDude
@RedneckEngineerMakerDude Год назад
Bungee cord / catapult launch!
@Killerplanes
@Killerplanes 2 года назад
Sweet! Maybe make a trolley on an RC car? You’d need a takeoff assistant to drive it, but it would be like a catapult launch
@aerospacematt9147
@aerospacematt9147 2 года назад
I might need to get one of these!
@EJ-74
@EJ-74 2 года назад
Awesome build 🔥
@RCThis
@RCThis 6 месяцев назад
Would love to see it on 6S
@BDTennessee
@BDTennessee 2 года назад
Cool bird and good flying!
@james7224
@james7224 2 года назад
Great video and informative! Have mine built and ready to maiden, do you have a suggestion where the C.G. point is on this jet?
@InvertFPV
@InvertFPV 2 года назад
Working on a 6s build of this. It will be interesting to see how it goes with the more power. If I will need to cut off the doors or not.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Awesome! Yes definitely start with them on as-intended, just make sure they can freely move. Make sure your ESCs are calibrated, then listen for any change in motor-tone when in flight while leaving the throttle constant.
@davidcole217
@davidcole217 2 года назад
Most of the old model jets like Bob Violet’s planes had screened over “cheater” holes. That would probably take care of the issue and you can paint them to match.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Oh yeah, a screen is a great idea!
@mrvoyagerm
@mrvoyagerm 6 месяцев назад
My airliner had two 70mm fans running on one 6 cell 5200 and flew amazingly well. Just sayin.
@ChamplainDivision
@ChamplainDivision 2 года назад
Try closing off those auxiliary inlets.
@borgonianevolution
@borgonianevolution 2 года назад
Naca ducts?
@Lozzie74
@Lozzie74 2 года назад
Crosswind doesn’t cause cross flow on an aircraft unless you intentionally hold a “crab angle” using rudder. I would hope you’re not holding rudder “into the wind” during a fast pass, even if there is a crosswind blowing. The aircraft doesn’t fly relative to the ground. It moves within the airflow and relative to that airflow. Consider that a headwind gives you airspeed on the ground but makes no difference to your airspeed in the air. Nice work on the blow-in doors. I suspect it was simply air movement holding them closed.
@gsaucebeatboxer
@gsaucebeatboxer Год назад
Great video Ben! I’m considering getting back into the hobby and live in Birmingham! I need to look into a flying field soon. Which plane did you prefer, the F4 or F18? I’m looking at building those two or the F16 painted as a red tail.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar Год назад
That’s great! I would highly recommend the Flite Test F-18, but caution that it’s not a “beginner build”. The instructional build-video is EXCELLENT, so if you have RC building experience you should be ok; I just want to make sure you know what you’re getting into first! Check out the instruction playlist first to get an idea of the build: ru-vid.com/group/PLn0JtcR5cZZ36BKSpjfabo4lekhGy45bx
@gsaucebeatboxer
@gsaucebeatboxer Год назад
@@TheHarberHangar I have a fair bit of experience with Flitetest builds, I just haven’t had time to be in the hobby for a few years. I was also looking at the new F-14 build as it is a favorite airplane of mine. Looking for something with a good speed envelope as I already have a timber x for low speed flight. I saw you had a bit of a mishap with your mods on the F14
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar Год назад
Awesome! In that case I’d definitely recommend the F-18 first. 😁
@ronaldsmith3259
@ronaldsmith3259 2 года назад
That was so much fun, I really enjoyed this, ben! Thank you for committing to share the build and test flight process with us! In watching your video and the problem with airflow, I wonder could it also be slow flight, sharp turn, really big jet, disrupted airflow to the major air inlet? You're already used to the f-18, but that has different architecture, with dedicated airflow to each side, a shorter main air duct from the inlet, and I believe the F-18 chines are designed to help channel air flow over the airframe and possibly the air inlets as well?
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
There’s definitely a difference in the model design, however the performance difference I noticed before and after opening the auxiliary-inlets was VERY NOTICEABLE. That tells me there is “funny business” going on with those inlets. The Master Series F-18 has aux-inlets, but they are on the side of the nacelles, and the main inlets are much cleaner, so the fans naturally see much better flow.
@eeyore74flightfishing
@eeyore74flightfishing 2 года назад
Is this an easy ish jet to fly, also is it easier than the f18?
@eeyore74flightfishing
@eeyore74flightfishing 2 года назад
What is the tape you use for structural support on the bottom and leading edges of the wings?
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Bidirectional filament tape
@eeyore74flightfishing
@eeyore74flightfishing 2 года назад
@@TheHarberHangar thanks man!
@ericwil76
@ericwil76 2 года назад
Why not move the holes to the top of the fuselage instead of the bottom?
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Mainly because the top is curvy and it would be harder to make look “nice” 😜
@ericwil76
@ericwil76 2 года назад
@@TheHarberHangar right, any negative effect to lift sucking air from the bottom vs the top curios I have no idea.
@TheHarberHangar
@TheHarberHangar 2 года назад
Generally I would guess there to be even lower pressure on the top given the nature of lift-physics: higher pressure below, lower pressure above. (Yes I know Newton also has a part in “lift”, let’s not start that up again) 🤣
@leonard3k
@leonard3k 2 года назад
Hi Ben I think your cart wheels are too small. Find a discarded baby carriage, those wheels should do really nice for cart OR WW1 aircraft, bush planes etc
@jasonhurdlow6607
@jasonhurdlow6607 2 года назад
I cringed when you landed on the pavement... eek.
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