my natural tendency would be to check and give him rope...he might have a big diamond and make a flush, or otherwise improve...very hard to put someone even on a flopped flush, nevermind a straight flush..
Why wouldn't you? Both players checking the flop was terribad, in a game of incomplete information, it gave no player any idea of the strength of their hand. Since Mark was willing to 4!bet with trash, any hand he decided to go with, he needed to bet the turn, either to represent a strong hand to get a better hand to fold or to induce a strong hand to put more money in the pot. So many times no one asks themselves "what do i want my opponent to do?" while playing the hand, only "what hand can my opponent have?".
Hero: my opponents are getting out of line, so I’ll open up my range out of position. Hero: the poker gods gave me a gift, I’ll surrender the betting lead.
This hand was played awful imo. The pot on the flop is $755, given your player pool you should just keep betting. His range is basically 4 categories, overcards with no diamond (air - 25%), overcards with high diamond (weak draw - 20%), flush [or AA] (nutted - 5%), mid/high overpair like TT (bluffcatcher - 50%) with or without diamond. If you check, you're playing for him trying to blast off with these weak hands. Except it is hard for him to, since the only value he is repping is basically flushes (so few combos), your hand looks like eg. KK no diamond which means he needs to bet down his whole stack for you to maybe fold, etc. Basically this never happens. What are you giving up by not betting? Everything else wants to get to the river as cheap as possible, and will have to pay off at least one bet and most paying two on most turns, and maybe you get hero'ed on the river. This means in most situations you get another ~$1400 in on flop+turn, having SPR of 1 by the river in a situation where he has a bluffcatcher. This is good for you because he will have to call some %. For example if he has JJd and turn is 3x you are getting paid up until the river, and maybe he heros the river too. Actually if you count combos, he has about 50 combos pre and you are getting paid a lot. The way you played this, most situations you will only get like $400 in by the river. Also, by checking, you will have to take an aggressive action later (cr or b3b) to get real money in. Not only did you make one mistake (let him set his price to see the river instead of charging max), he doesn't raise river very often (bad for you since you are favoring this line that gets exploited unintentionally), plus he can now hero fold a huge hand because lets face it, in this game probably you aren't bluffing very much for a b3b or huge cr.
@@MHGFTW no way he's folding Aces on flop or turn with the diamond... also his hand is underrepresented so like if he folds AA by the river he's too nitty.
Agreed, although flop check is fine on this board, but definitely with the intention to xr. xc is truly the worst flop line, it's a classic beginner mistake with the super nuts. After that he is basically forced, and not getting stacks in against anything weaker than the nut flush.
Whether I have AsKs, an overpair, a set, a flush, or a straight flush on that flop, I'm c-betting 100% of the time after my 4-bet is the last preflop raise. Let the opponent try figuring out if the flop hit me or not, or whether I needed to even hit the flop, when it's impossible to figure out. A c-bet gives your opponent zero info when you hold such a strong initiative after you 4-bet. A check raise gives info, and a check call is too feeble, leaving you with an ugly turn decision of whether to lead out like a very suspicious stop/start bet polarizing you to being nutted vs a donkey. Maybe that's just me though, because most opponents have a hard time betting their stack that I'm a donkey. You need to take the initiative at some point. The point where it least blows your cover, is by retaining the initiative, rather than giving it up and fretting over how to take it back without making villain fold. How unbalanced is it to never give up the initiative when you have the nuts? I balance it by sometimes not giving up the initiative when I have air, rather than by giving it up when I have the nuts.
To be fair, he said the opponent has been 3 betting too frequently, doesn't mean the opponent is never strong preflop, just that they are 3-betting with a wider-than-optimal range.
@@mikekrebs5598 He said the opponent had been 3betting too frequently but he said he had 3bet offsuit broadways, which are very good and standard 3bets in a lot of situations. He then proceeds to 4bet 76dd from the small blind which is waaaay too loose, and not even close to a thing.
@@OsefKincaid" it isn't a thing " is not a thing. I use 76s as a 4 bet bluff if I think my opponent is getting out of line or people fold too much to 4 bets. I likely wouldn't 4 bet 76 if I did not think my opponent was out of line or I was getting more than enough fold equity to make up for when I have to check fold flop.
@@jeffshackleford3152 yeah 3 years ago I used to think poker was a good game so it was important to follow theory, now I realize that poker is a really shit game and it doesn't matter if you make mistakes, so I wouldn't write this post today
As the villain in this particular hand, I really appreciate the analysis here. Certainly one of the most interesting hands I’ve played in the last 12 months.
caesar4k Think it’s hard to get value on both turn & river from a lot of his cold 4-bet candidates. (Given his commentary that original raiser was opening too wide & I was 3-betting too wide in his mind, Tens+ on the value side seems reasonable for him.) If you listen to Bart’s analysis of the river, he mentions how my raise is virtually almost always a bluff. I agree with him & feel that I should get called by 10s, JJ & QQ with some frequency, though I don’t think I get value from those hands on both turn & river.
I disagree... I think checking after the flop is the right move, as it gives your opponent some rope to hang himself. I do think he should have done a half-pot bet after the turn. But otherwise I don't have any problem with how he played the hand. It's difficult to get action when you flop such a huge monster, unless the other guy either gets a big piece of it (he didn't) or he sees an opportunity to bluff at it.
Your brain freezes when u flop the straight flush . I flopped it twice & had a brain 🧠 freeze 🥶 both times. 1st time 1/3 , I defended BB with 109hh to a UTG+1 raise & it was 3-way pre. Flop was QJ8hh, I thought I flopped the flush & need Kh for Straight Flush. I checked UTG bet 35, Button called & I called 35 thinking I’m drawing to a straight flush, turn was a 6h. Now I just looked at it & I have the nuts 🥜, I flopped the SF. OMFG!! I have a brain 🧠 freeze 🥶. Dealer has to remind me , I was in the hand if I’m checking or betting . I said check , UTG player bet 100, Button went all in for 270, I called 270 with 110 behind , UTG put me all in for the rest of 110 I had behind. I went all in & said “I flopped it “, UTG player was like “U should be F kidding me , he had AA with Ah” & Button had KhQs , he flopped top pair , flush draw. I was in a shock for 5 minutes, intense rush. 2nd time, 3 years later , 2/5 , starting stack 1400 I had QJdd & 3-b a guy from BB for 65 , he called & CO called . Flop 8910ddd. Now same situation, I thought I flopped the flush & immediately bet 100, pre flop opener HJ called 100 & CO raised it to 400. Now I slowly realized I have Straight flush & said I call 340, now HJ guy moved all in for 700, CO said he is all in for 2000, putting me all in. I was nice to them & said “u guys are drawing dead “. HJ had 99, he had set of 99, Button had AJ with Ad so he flopped open -ended straight draw with Nut flush draw. I was nice to them & said “I flopped the nuts 🥜 & they are drawing dead”. Now comes the drama. Set of 99 realized there could be a bad beat, Quad 55 should be beat , we asked the dealer to slowly deal turn & river . Turn Q & River Q 😂😂
This just goes to show, no matter how much game theory you study... when you flop a straight flush you never know how to play it. Every situation with a hand like this is sooo nuanced.
Cold 4 bet with 76 suited from the small blind and flop a straight flush: lucky donk. Cold 4 bet with 76 suited from the small blind and flop a straight flush but throw round words like “partials” and other GTO sounding guff: pro.
I was on the button the cut off bet $12 , in a 1-2 game. I called with 7,8 clubs, the flop was 6, 9, 10 clubs. the original better made it $25, I called the turn was the J clubs, he bet $50, I called the rive was a brick, and went all in, I called he showed the A, K of clubs saying he had the nuts. I replied unfortunately not this time.
I think the biggest misplay was not betting that turn. If he has AK he calls or raises. With him having aces or another overpair with a diamond, he may put you on a KdQ, QdQ type hand, another call or raise situation for him. Also if he calls the turn he likely has a diamond, overpair, set or both. Check call flop is probably enough for him to not put you on 2 diamonds, especially if he has A or K of d. He’s snap calling your river shove with most rivers if he calls this turn.
Bart: My opinion: I would play this the way I always play a flopped NUT flush (or any flush on the flop). 1/2 pot on the flop 1/2 pot on the turn (unless the board pairs) blocker on the river (40% pot). In this case it would be (pot=800) $400 flop, (pot=1600) $800 turn, (pot=3200) $1200 river. Pot=$5000. What do you think? You are targeting all flushes and draws, straights and draws, overpairs AA KK QQ JJ TT with/without a diamond and sets.
Once in a lifetime spot ffs; cold fours 76dd over 500bb deep and gets flatted by AdAx, flops the mfn ultra nizzles w/ extra coconut, and manages to not get stacks on. This hand hurt my fucking heart Bart, take it down.
He was worried about any flush, if you had bet when the king came out it actually would have helped you because you would have been presenting a non-flush hand with a king or maybe one diamond
Very Cool, 2 Pros talking about an extremely rare scenario! Ive played with Squish, he is a solid Reg. Proves my point that SLO- PLAY in live cash games is WORTHLESS!!!
I’ve been playing a long time. Maybe longer than you Bart, obviously not on your level. Your videos have improved my game so much. Thanks for the great content.
hindsight is great, if you knew he had the ace of diamond, the money would have gone in on the flop. Mind you I would have led out with a small beat on the flop to induce the reraise.
When he re-raises to $1,500, he is somewhat polarized at that point, I would min raise, and induce a bluff for him to jam it all in, or even get a call if he has a good hand, and get value. I like the solvers suggestion to check-raise the flop there, and Bart's suggestion of a small 1/3 pot continuation bet.
Given that villain is "polarized", shouldn't we assume that his value calls our shove just as frequently as it would call our min-raise? And his bluffs likely fold regardless.....The whole hand seems kind of made up though TBH.
@@cj7139 You are right if he was truly polarized he should call just the same, I adjusted my comment a bit. But that being said Villain can't have the nuts, so the best hand hs could have here includes the Ace of diamonds. This is such a weird hand. Anyway I think Hero really needed to c-bet the flop, in order to set up a river jam. crazy hand. Check out Maria Ho folding quads in a similar hand on a straight flush board.
@@CanadianLoveKnot I agree that he should just c-bet flop, as opposed to check-calling or check-raising. I can't find Maria folding quads anywhere, just that hand where she folds the set of 1010 deep in that EPT...
@@CanadianLoveKnot that was an even bigger flustercuck than this hand. If she's going to fold to a shove, why bet so much? Once again its not thinking the hand thru.
Something I find hilarious is people openly call me a liar when I say I got a Royal flush like this one of the 1st times I ever played live poker, but when my ace high flush gets cracked by a straight flush on a weekly basis in online games, it's to be expected and I'm bad at poker if I say the site seems rigged for action.
@@ericpettigrew9480 he literally said I should have gone 4x. Every time I read poker comments i know this game will never die. Idk how you even dress yourself in the morning
In general, if you cold 4-bet shouldn't you lead this flop as your range is so strong. Your range shouldn't be scared of flop raises as you hold both high pocket pairs and your share of high diamonds?
Whenever I block bet with nuts I get smooth called or fold. When I block bet with something like top top or two pair on a wet board I get blasted. Variance 🤷🏼♂️
Is this a coincidence as I just flopped a straight flush yesterday? 4th diamond came and I did get some extra value from the raiser on the river after my 3x reraise.
Honestly, I think being results oriented is very dangerous in a hand like this! AA with ace of diamonds is one of the only holdings you can get stacks inside with a different line. Against KK you can easily get stacks in on the turn with check raise turn line and against AK with Ad too. And if the button has a flopped flush (possibly nut flush) you get all the money anyways. So I like the line
This happened to me last week. Turned a straight flush (check/check) river a blank. I led out a blocker size and the villain jammed over me with a straight, of course, he was stacked.
I think the villains line makes some what sense... the check back on the turn was he was scared hero turned trips, and villain was trying to flush out.
Its actually an amazing fold. I'm guessing he just came to the conclusion that Hero has 0 3bet bluff jams, which is probably true against 95% of poker players.
this confused me too. all I was able to find is this: www.primedope.com/poker-glossary/#partialouts. doesnt necessarily make sense the way they were using it though.
interesting hand but still something smells funny? The villain 3-bets to $110 and then just called the 4-bet $360 with Aces?? I would at least 5 bet to $1000 here? Strange Bart did not mentioned anything about that. I would love to get my stack in preflopp and maybe run it 3 times. :)
yea, but does hero really check KK on the turn? He needs to protect trips and build a pot, so I really don' t see KK checking the turn with a high frequency.
So you flop a straight flush? Yes. I flipped a straight flush. Wow so you played that hand and flopped a straight flush. Yes. Flopped a straight flush........so it was a monotone board? No Bart. He flipped a straight flush but it wasn't a monotone board 🙄
Brett Mason Media Yo man pipe down yeah Bart gives us incredible content for free and also this hand is a very novel situation so of course he is going to be surprised and excited about the hand. No need to be a dick, maybe look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you write such passive aggressive comments
So the donkey who misplayed every single part (every single action + every single betsize) of this hand calls in, and the pro villain leaves his comments down below. The world has gone mad.
Hindsight being blah blah blah. Checking the flop and betting the turn allows the villain to consider KK. Betting the flop and checking the turn might have gotten all the money in.
good Commentator and good Player ( seen Squish on several LATB lives) but this hand is really a joke ... does anybody think to check raise the absolute nuts on the flop?( seen that he folds AAd on the river?) does anybody bluff raise the river with air balls .. really ? none of you thought oppo could have an over with d ( as he had indeed ) just because after two hours of play he " three-bet wide to open(cit.) "?
checking the turn there is a huge mistake imo. The K hits both Hero's and Villain's ranges pretty hard, so I would definitely lead out for around 60% pot
A blank diamond would be better it makes it harder for the straight flush if the two of diamonds doesn't come. If the board was paired that'd be different
@@cj7139 but this is still an incredibly rare occurrence. Once you cold 4 bet 76s you’ll flop a straight flush 1 in every 4900 times. But you’ll only get dealt a suited connector about 1 in every 50 hands. This guy says he only cold 4 bets with them 10% of the time. And to even have a chance to cold 4 bet you have to be facing a 3 bet and yet to act which doesn’t occur that often. This is easily a 1 in every millions of hands occurrence.
