Flying low and fast over Ukraine in an aging Mig-29 

Those BR compressions are going very nasty, hope Gaijin will fix it ASAP

@@gliderfs621 bro faces 17.0 jets in his 11.7☠️☠️☠️😭😭

what is bro on?? 🙏😭😭

What a nasty uptier match

​@@ilikenuts-xu3rihe is referencing a game

If we're talking about the original design yes, but the modern ones like the block 70 or 72 is actually much better.

​@@gunmasterx1164but are we talking about the recent ones?

@@sigma_frenchie4075 Ukraine is getting the block 70

@@gunmasterx1164 no they are not. The mig 29 was introduced in 1983. The Vipers the Danes are sending are 50 yr old A/B variants which received a MLU but the crafts are older than the MiG-29 itself. Google is free

@@TrampConnoisseurAnd you would have found out on google that the MLU significantly upgraded the capabilities of those F-16s, especially compared to the MiG-29s in use by ukraine today.

The mig 29 isn’t good enough because the pilots have over 90% attrition rate. Your most likely to survive the worst kind of cancer then to have survived thus far in the war as a Ukrainian pilot operating those vehicles

Every week I hear news of a couple SU-29s being shot down by the Russians. F-16s might be able to compete with SU-35s the Russians already have SU-57s.

​@@schutzanzug4518 What source are u citing for the "90%" value?

@@billymadison8574 WDMMA, CNN, and Orxy. Ukraine had 81 fighter jets. At least 78 Ukrainian fighter jets are confirmed to be shot down. NATO has sent 30-40 or so older aircraft to Ukraine, including air support and helicopters. Orxy specifically makes a point on this is ONLY confirmed, and that there are likely much more that have not been confirmed, especially with jets which are most of the time shot down 100 km away now a days. And CNN in one of their ukriane pilot articles interviewed a pilot who lost “many wingmen” and CNN states that being a pilot is extremely risky because they have the highest attrition rate in the entire war at around 90%. This is because vastly superior su-35’s and more modern radar systems form the Russian army, and the very good anti air SAMs Russia has. At the beginning of the war, Russia set 2 consecutive world records by shooting a ukriane jet out at 190 km, and then 220km a week later.

Old Ukraines Migs vs Russians SU 35 no chance...Russia didnt use SU 57 in Ukraine..

ME TOO HAHAHAH

Crazy we have a conventional war that isn’t ridiculously lopsided.

and skill, takes a lot of skill to keep calm and steady while watching for sams, planes, and protecting the pair of 25's, wicked smart and skilled

It's certainly not designed for such low level flight unlike those su25 It's shadowing.

Middle of the summer in broad daylight, he might not have terrain radar but he has got eyes

not tree top level... in fact he had much space in height to any surrounding obstacles

He has radar altitude so no need for terain radar. He knows how high he is at all times.

they played DCS once and now they think they know everything

And you are?

cringe@@finkamain1621

its mostly just logic man... most(not all) of the opinions aren't far reaching

Ya well OP doesn't know

A mig 29a from early 80s has a big difference with mig 29 from 2010s or a mig 25

When this the earliest mig 29 was made f16 primary weapon was sidewinder

The F18 is aging, in fact the legacy Hornets were retired completely a couple years ago...😂

man the Mig 29 is ancient, it was far suppased by the F16A as soon as it came out, the only good thing the MIg 29 did well was flight dynamics, its radar is analog and has no digital control, the F18 was the first western fighter with complete digital control and has very good radar and avionics .. the mig 29 is very primitive probably equal to a F5 early model one

The MiG-29 variants that Ukraine operates are very much ancient and for the most part obsolete for the kind of adversary they are fighting against

Very true

Western main stream media is pure propaganda.

People are just delusional, this is just western prpaganda. Every time we've sent to Ukraine a new western weapon or vehicles our (braindead) people and media were all like "this is gonna end the war because we're so much stronger", then reality just threw a punch on their faces, lol. There is no damn magic weapon, Mig29s aren't trash but Ukraine just have old soviet Mig29s while Russia have updated Mig29s and Su27s as you said. There is not a single chance Ukraine is going to win, F16 won't be game changer and even F15 wouldn't be a game changer. Firstly because we won't send them many of these, secondly because we wouldn't send them the most updated version of these jets that we have.

Ngl the B-52 is decrepit

Hey, romania just bought some 40 years old f16s. Not ageing.

i think he nailed it pretty good, there are no magic weapons..

​@@80Loke Not true bro. I heard JFK was shot by at least 1 magic bullet. Magic is real 🧙‍♂️

10 good pilots in f16s are worth more than Russia and china's entire airforce and navy jet arsenal

not true f16 can bvr su27 depends which version f16 also can connect link to patriot radar and if it has ability to shot bvr by the patriot radar or vice versa then gg to su27

@@Mr.Cool628there will always be luck and skill involved but the f16 will even the playing field and it will be more effective with the harms and other weapons Ukraine has received from the west

US leadership should be focused on the mess in its own backyard, but instead we meddle in the business of other countries: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... Americans should stop being brainwashed by the government and state media and think for themselves.

Training is not a short term thing. As for when they started, I highly doubt it just started.

Throwing modern equipment is not going to shop deaths. Training, ammunition, and tried equipment will. In the end, whatever a crew can use effectively is what they should be using.

@@justadude8716 Modern equipment does absolutely help stop deaths. like the US personal vehicles. They have already saved many soldiers from shells and mines because of advancements in design to deflect explosions. Besides Ukrainians have been asking to train since last year. Some have already been trained in simulators for F-16s in the US. The real reason is politics, and strategy, i.e. not to suddenly overwhelm Russian and have them react with nukes. This is about slowly breaking the Russian military, throwing it into disarray so it tears its self apart, like whats happening already. Unfortunately delays also mean innocent Ukrainian deaths

@@brobinson8614 guy, think about what you are writing about. I'm from Moscow and it really hurts me to read the last two sentences you wrote about the reduction of the Russian army

The f-16 is actually upgraded unlike the mig-29

@@pooferfish2850 did you know about mig-35? they changed the name just for marketing purposes, it is built on the same air-frame as mig-29. in the West, they still use F-16 because it is good for marketing and uses the Block number to differentiate between upgrades. Mig-29 has no design defect, unlike the F-16, which needs to replace the wing spar assembly as it gets older because it will be cracking, and if not replaced, the wing could detach mid-flight. I'm not sure if Ukraine F-16 will get these wing spar replacements for its old and used-up F-16s because it is expensive, the cost will be more than a major overhaul. if this is the situation, the Ukraine F-16 cannot be used in high G maneuvers and will be used only as a delivering platform thus it is actually worse than their current Mig-29s.

@@pooferfish2850 pretty sure ukraine is getting the block 50 which is old and the mig 29 is still upgraded

hon hon

ah yes, send the unproven platform like the grippen to an active warzone.

F16 is better then gripen man gripen is designed to be the cheapest

@@alexignat007 That same statement was made with F-15E in the Gulf War and look at how that turned out for it. What's even the point of making these machines if they don't even get to be used?

@@simpai941exactly, childish comment by alex007 lol

I don't know why you think a Gripen would be any more effective in this conflict than an F16. Do you work for Saab?

***BREAKING NEWS!***

Missiles miss their targets more often because of countermeasures employed by the target. Don’t just bet a long distance missile will just veer off course randomly, these machines aren’t too complex consistently hit the target.

cause it costs a lot of money

its alot of money, its not easy, they alredy spent alot of money on mig29 to mod it to fit nato missile

rest in peace upon him, not to be rude but this is not movies, he doesny have main character plot amour

Poor guy😭

Let me know when. you find the evidence and no, some kids on a dark net forum don't qualify as evidence.

@@WorksOnMyComputer Check with the Mexican drug cartels they can give you evidence.

​@@gran3241oh no did you actually fell for that lie with the javeline. Sad time, dumb people fall for obvios lies

@@sH-ed5yf Sad time when some can only insult because they lack the ability to make an intelligent, rational comment.

@@gran3241 no kid. I know the picture He is rederring to. Claiming mexican csrtels reciefed javeline missles. Turnes out this thing is not a javeline neither is it a mexican csrtel

Is that why the Russian Air Force is no where to be seen?

@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 You can’t see stealthy jets. Stop thinking wwii

The only thing that's almost gone is the Russia military !

@@JDOG1974yes Yea, totally agree. This is why they keep taking town after town from Ukraine.

​@@JDOG1974yes erm no, they can just call in more people via a force draft It's the experience that is basically gone The logistics? They basically never existed

Proof?

@@AlejandroFernandez05 they never will show proof

isnt the flickering caused by framerate of the camera

шо там по флоту шмара?

Exactly everyone still thinks the metrics of this war or measured by capturing Kyiv that changed a long time ago. The metrics of measuring this war are pushing Russia off the territory they currently occupy Which is much easier said than done they start the results so far of the counteroffensive

A lot can be said about your statement. But Russia is a paper bear. Aging equipment left outside in the harsh weather with open hatches and ports, their vehicle supply is short. They can't produce anything modern besides a retro tank for the parades. Any competent military officer was let go due to Putin's paranoia and training skills were reduced, making the military for the lazy in Russian society. I'm not saying they will run out in 2 weeks or next year. But if all the US has to invest is 40 billion to completely declaw the bear, I'm absolutely amazed that Russia even chose this fight. At least they could pretend before this...

​@justadude8716 dude where is your source for all of this.

@@justadude8716said the samething about the ussr in ww2. If anything Russias gonna innovate like they’ve always done.

@@justadude8716stop falling into the western propaganda, they said that russia had exhausted their ammunitions yet here they are after more than a year still launching strikes on ukraine

but their avionics and airframe is upgraded. the design itself is old but not the aircraft. they’re rather “new” if you would like to call it that.

Yeah, now you should explain that it took Russia 10 years to catch up. It doesn't matter which airframe is older if that airframe is superior.

@@PyroBlonde7777 why?

F-16, 15, and 18 have updated avionics and radar. But the Ukrainian Mig-29 is on the same level as how was produced. In the times when Mig-29 started their career, he was on the same level or better than F-16.

Yep pretty much 🤣

he didn't die

@@walterhelych2401 like Elvis

@@maryjane-jq1cw?

☝🤓actually it does kin of matter about the plane because it could not be air worthy

kind of not kin sorry

With modern jets not anymore

The f16s the U.S. flies today are not the same ones they flew in the 70s/80s

​@@Dunger974You understand that it’s not only the United States that is modernizing its equipment, right?

@@Dunger974 true but will ukraine recieve the newest model? It might but probably no

@@aleksejtratnik817 their current mig29s have not been upgraded since they entered service, which means they cannot carry things like the r77. Even the most primitive f16 is able to carry the most modern amraams and sidewinders, which is what makes the difference. If they needed a longer range radar, they could just swap it out, whereas they cannot swap out the mig's radar for a better one since the only better ones that fit are russian.

That was my first thought too, but I imagine it might not be as simple even as mounting a NATO missile on an incompatible hardpoint - they might need a totally different shape of nose cone to accommodate it, which could mess up the aerodynamics of the plane, even if a decent one could be fabricated - not a simple a problem in itself? In some ways this is what a 'wingman' drone could be good for - then allied countries need only compatible displays, controls, and hardpoints for their bombtrucks.

I live in Brazil and I live close to this factory

Some f16 variants are a lot better than the su35

Says who? The ruZZians have shot down 2 Su35's recently. They haven't shot down any F16's...The only people say what you said are the ruZZians and ruZZian buttlickers and morons....

​@@haydenlai7166maximum range of F-16 best missiles is 180km, while Su-35 missiles max range is 300km. F-16 can compete with MiG-29 since they are contemporaries, but not with SU-35

The aging comes from the lack of upgrades, not the actual age of the airframe.

Well your self assessment of how good your ideas are might be the first problem.

@@WorksOnMyComputer The only problem is the one ukraine has.... and that is denazification, which is what's happening now...

​@@electro1622 Small percentage ever was Neo Nazis. Russia had it's own ultra Nationalists, Neo Nazis, even Prigozhin. Let's not forget the marches of hate for all foreigners entering Russia. Russia may be hiding it now but to be a fool, Nazis largest group known largest was in Russia pre 2014. It's been well documented that Russia has worked directly with them.

@@electro1622 The amount of nazi’s in Ukraine is about 4% based on far right votes. We have more nazis in the U.S than in Ukraine. Should Russia conduct a “special military operation” on us?

​@@Just_a_wild_guess um...eastern europe has the most nazi's of any place on earth as there isnt a government force that was stong enough to confront them...

Your conviently forgetting out that they were Legacy Hornets, Not super hornets. Plus the conditions of those Hornets ranged from scrap parts to barely airworthy. Legacy Hornets wont survive against a Su-27, a Su-35, A Mig 35 or Su-47 or Su-57 or any of their S-300/400 GTAM sites.

@@scarehalo5 imagine acting like a little kid when a country that couldn't care less about you offers you Fighter Jets ..

@norwegiangangsta It's war. and A. your committing ad-hominem. So better rephrase it.

they werent

Ukrainian mig-29s do not have the same retrofits that many of the US's modern f-15s and f-16s have. I.E. F-16 block 70 and F-15EX vs soviet era mig 29s.

@@elipseplays3579 then wouldnt it make sense to retrofit the mig 29s rather than getting new systems??

Brain work not good- try again

well the idiotic ruZZians are worried about them That is all that really matters....

Much easier to stick to a system where the logistics are extensive and many of the NATO countries are in the process of replacing their F16 with the F35

Hornets are built for the navy which Ukraine has none

@Jim Carner Ok, but it is the F16 they have promised to Ukraine as I have understood it

@@JimCarner the problem with Gripens though is that there are less than a hundred currently in service, so there aren’t any for sale

@Jim Carner It makes sense, but I know that Danmar is already changing some of our F16 to F35 this year. I assume that there is no visible difference between the Hornets and the F16 rates

idfk

Really? If you are talking about the USA, the USAF has more than 800 in active service and probably another 400 in storage...

Its so they can see behind just like in a car or something

-the Mig

You need to put that Ukrainian woman who shot down Russian planes with cans of cucumbers in charge of the F-16. In the end, your task is to destroy all Ukrainian people to the last one.

Since NATO can't even give them thousands of tanks - they definitely won't be able to give them thousands of planes to actually make a difference. Few dozens of planes will be just targets for Russian anti air

How about we quit meddling in the business of other countries like we've done before in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... None of those ended well. Look at the mess in our own country. We have an invasion on our southern border by a country under the control of a drug cartel and you people are focused on Ukraine which is exactly what the government and state media want. Quit being brainwashed by your cold war mentality towards Russia and think for yourself.

You forgot one small detail - Russia has nukes, Ukraine does not

@@lg2058 If Moscow uses a nuke or nukes Moscow loses all. There is no positive outcome for Moscow that involves use of nuclear weapons.

F-16 has been updated so much it's nothing like the mig 29 anymore

That would be assuming the ruZZians have an updated system to put in it. They don't.