Flying low and fast over Ukraine in an aging Mig-29 

Those BR compressions are going very nasty, hope Gaijin will fix it ASAP

@@gliderfs621 bro faces 17.0 jets in his 11.7☠️☠️☠️😭😭

what is bro on?? 🙏😭😭

What a nasty uptier match

​@@ilikenuts-xu3rihe is referencing a game

If we're talking about the original design yes, but the modern ones like the block 70 or 72 is actually much better.

​@@gunmasterx1164but are we talking about the recent ones?

@@sigma_frenchie4075 Ukraine is getting the block 70

@@gunmasterx1164 no they are not. The mig 29 was introduced in 1983. The Vipers the Danes are sending are 50 yr old A/B variants which received a MLU but the crafts are older than the MiG-29 itself. Google is free

@@humptydumpty3345And you would have found out on google that the MLU significantly upgraded the capabilities of those F-16s, especially compared to the MiG-29s in use by ukraine today.

The mig 29 isn’t good enough because the pilots have over 90% attrition rate. Your most likely to survive the worst kind of cancer then to have survived thus far in the war as a Ukrainian pilot operating those vehicles

Every week I hear news of a couple SU-29s being shot down by the Russians. F-16s might be able to compete with SU-35s the Russians already have SU-57s.

​@@schutzanzug4518 What source are u citing for the "90%" value?

@@billymadison8574 WDMMA, CNN, and Orxy. Ukraine had 81 fighter jets. At least 78 Ukrainian fighter jets are confirmed to be shot down. NATO has sent 30-40 or so older aircraft to Ukraine, including air support and helicopters. Orxy specifically makes a point on this is ONLY confirmed, and that there are likely much more that have not been confirmed, especially with jets which are most of the time shot down 100 km away now a days. And CNN in one of their ukriane pilot articles interviewed a pilot who lost “many wingmen” and CNN states that being a pilot is extremely risky because they have the highest attrition rate in the entire war at around 90%. This is because vastly superior su-35’s and more modern radar systems form the Russian army, and the very good anti air SAMs Russia has. At the beginning of the war, Russia set 2 consecutive world records by shooting a ukriane jet out at 190 km, and then 220km a week later.

Old Ukraines Migs vs Russians SU 35 no chance...Russia didnt use SU 57 in Ukraine..

ME TOO HAHAHAH

Even F15 aren't going to solve this problem, first because we wouldn't and we couldn't send enough of them and secondly because F15 technology is too old yet, that's why US started updating them (F15EX). In these last 2-3 years our most updated NATO F35s have been intercepted several times by Su35s without being able to detect these Su35s 'till these were flying close enough and started jammering our F35s, proving that their jammer technology is still better than our most updated anti jammer technology while we also can't really explain how was it possible that an F35 having a significatly lower RCS couldn't see Su35 coming while Su35 could spot with its radars our F35s and intercept them. People are so delusional that they still don't get that if Russia was a third world country, USA was controlling their territory already; if this isn't happening, and if USA had to do an alleance of more than 30 countries against Russia, its because Russia isn't that weak as our prpaganda is trying to tell us. There is no way Ukraine is gonna win this war, i'm saying this since the begin. No matter what weapons or vehicles we will send them, Russia military industries is way more efficient and advanced than Ukraine. Even Europe can't really do much to keep up to Russia military indistries, we're spending billions of euroes to produce in 1 year the same amount of artillery shells that Russia can produce in less than a couple of weeks.

Thank for understanding that it is pointless to continue this war

@camfurey5648 I don't play war thunder dickhead, you obviously do though, so why don't you go play a few matches whilst the adults talk.

@@yoshimitsu1260 bro, the reason US hasn't invaded Russia is because they're sitting atop almost 6,000 nuclear warheads. It has nothing to do with how advanced their tech is; it's the fact that Putin will glass the European and North American continents (and US and its allies likewise to Russia). As for your claim about interception and jamming, I'd like to see a source. Currently, both sides regularly fly close to each other's air spaces to gauge their reaction times and tactics. Russian planes regularly fly into Alaskan airspace, and USAF fighters regularly intercept them and escort them away.

It isnt that simple. Yes the f16 and mig 29 are similar in designed role and the su27 was more powerful than the f16 but the newer f16s have more advanced radars and EA/rwr than even the su35 probably and if they get aim120d or even just the C3 they will have a much better chance against the Russians. The f16 is also much better equipped to use harms and other nato weapons so they will be more effective at sead/dead and launching cruise missiles and jdams

and skill, takes a lot of skill to keep calm and steady while watching for sams, planes, and protecting the pair of 25's, wicked smart and skilled

It's certainly not designed for such low level flight unlike those su25 It's shadowing.

Middle of the summer in broad daylight, he might not have terrain radar but he has got eyes

not tree top level... in fact he had much space in height to any surrounding obstacles

He has radar altitude so no need for terain radar. He knows how high he is at all times.

A mig 29a from early 80s has a big difference with mig 29 from 2010s or a mig 25

When this the earliest mig 29 was made f16 primary weapon was sidewinder

The F18 is aging, in fact the legacy Hornets were retired completely a couple years ago...😂

man the Mig 29 is ancient, it was far suppased by the F16A as soon as it came out, the only good thing the MIg 29 did well was flight dynamics, its radar is analog and has no digital control, the F18 was the first western fighter with complete digital control and has very good radar and avionics .. the mig 29 is very primitive probably equal to a F5 early model one

The MiG-29 variants that Ukraine operates are very much ancient and for the most part obsolete for the kind of adversary they are fighting against

i think he nailed it pretty good, there are no magic weapons..

​@@80Loke Not true bro. I heard JFK was shot by at least 1 magic bullet. Magic is real 🧙‍♂️

10 good pilots in f16s are worth more than Russia and china's entire airforce and navy jet arsenal

not true f16 can bvr su27 depends which version f16 also can connect link to patriot radar and if it has ability to shot bvr by the patriot radar or vice versa then gg to su27

@@Mr.Cool628there will always be luck and skill involved but the f16 will even the playing field and it will be more effective with the harms and other weapons Ukraine has received from the west

Very true

Western main stream media is pure propaganda.

People are just delusional, this is just western prpaganda. Every time we've sent to Ukraine a new western weapon or vehicles our (braindead) people and media were all like "this is gonna end the war because we're so much stronger", then reality just threw a punch on their faces, lol. There is no damn magic weapon, Mig29s aren't trash but Ukraine just have old soviet Mig29s while Russia have updated Mig29s and Su27s as you said. There is not a single chance Ukraine is going to win, F16 won't be game changer and even F15 wouldn't be a game changer. Firstly because we won't send them many of these, secondly because we wouldn't send them the most updated version of these jets that we have.

Ngl the B-52 is decrepit

Hey, romania just bought some 40 years old f16s. Not ageing.

they played DCS once and now they think they know everything

And you are?

cringe@@finkamain1621

its mostly just logic man... most(not all) of the opinions aren't far reaching

Ya well OP doesn't know

US leadership should be focused on the mess in its own backyard, but instead we meddle in the business of other countries: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... Americans should stop being brainwashed by the government and state media and think for themselves.

Training is not a short term thing. As for when they started, I highly doubt it just started.

Throwing modern equipment is not going to shop deaths. Training, ammunition, and tried equipment will. In the end, whatever a crew can use effectively is what they should be using.

@@justadude8716 Modern equipment does absolutely help stop deaths. like the US personal vehicles. They have already saved many soldiers from shells and mines because of advancements in design to deflect explosions. Besides Ukrainians have been asking to train since last year. Some have already been trained in simulators for F-16s in the US. The real reason is politics, and strategy, i.e. not to suddenly overwhelm Russian and have them react with nukes. This is about slowly breaking the Russian military, throwing it into disarray so it tears its self apart, like whats happening already. Unfortunately delays also mean innocent Ukrainian deaths

@@brobinson8614 guy, think about what you are writing about. I'm from Moscow and it really hurts me to read the last two sentences you wrote about the reduction of the Russian army

Poor guy😭

The f-16 is actually upgraded unlike the mig-29

@@pooferfish2850 did you know about mig-35? they changed the name just for marketing purposes, it is built on the same air-frame as mig-29. in the West, they still use F-16 because it is good for marketing and uses the Block number to differentiate between upgrades. Mig-29 has no design defect, unlike the F-16, which needs to replace the wing spar assembly as it gets older because it will be cracking, and if not replaced, the wing could detach mid-flight. I'm not sure if Ukraine F-16 will get these wing spar replacements for its old and used-up F-16s because it is expensive, the cost will be more than a major overhaul. if this is the situation, the Ukraine F-16 cannot be used in high G maneuvers and will be used only as a delivering platform thus it is actually worse than their current Mig-29s.

ah yes, send the unproven platform like the grippen to an active warzone.

F16 is better then gripen man gripen is designed to be the cheapest

@@alexignat007 That same statement was made with F-15E in the Gulf War and look at how that turned out for it. What's even the point of making these machines if they don't even get to be used?

@@simpai941exactly, childish comment by alex007 lol

I don't know why you think a Gripen would be any more effective in this conflict than an F16. Do you work for Saab?

☝🤓actually it does kin of matter about the plane because it could not be air worthy

kind of not kin sorry

With modern jets not anymore

***BREAKING NEWS!***

Missiles miss their targets more often because of countermeasures employed by the target. Don’t just bet a long distance missile will just veer off course randomly, these machines aren’t too complex consistently hit the target.

-the Mig

isnt the flickering caused by framerate of the camera

Is that why the Russian Air Force is no where to be seen?

@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 You can’t see stealthy jets. Stop thinking wwii

The only thing that's almost gone is the Russia military !

@@JDOG1974yes Yea, totally agree. This is why they keep taking town after town from Ukraine.

​@@JDOG1974yes erm no, they can just call in more people via a force draft It's the experience that is basically gone The logistics? They basically never existed

I live in Brazil and I live close to this factory

That was my first thought too, but I imagine it might not be as simple even as mounting a NATO missile on an incompatible hardpoint - they might need a totally different shape of nose cone to accommodate it, which could mess up the aerodynamics of the plane, even if a decent one could be fabricated - not a simple a problem in itself? In some ways this is what a 'wingman' drone could be good for - then allied countries need only compatible displays, controls, and hardpoints for their bombtrucks.

Let me know when. you find the evidence and no, some kids on a dark net forum don't qualify as evidence.

@@WorksOnMyComputer Check with the Mexican drug cartels they can give you evidence.

​@@gran3241oh no did you actually fell for that lie with the javeline. Sad time, dumb people fall for obvios lies

@@sH-ed5yf Sad time when some can only insult because they lack the ability to make an intelligent, rational comment.

@@gran3241 no kid. I know the picture He is rederring to. Claiming mexican csrtels reciefed javeline missles. Turnes out this thing is not a javeline neither is it a mexican csrtel

Low altitude flight is a necessary measure since aviation is constantly monitored by SAM radars starting from an altitude of 1,500 feet and the chance of losing an aircraft even at such an altitude increases many times, however, an aircraft flying at low altitude creates a Doppler effect with the earth's surface, which makes it practically invisible to SAM radars, missiles and other aircraft. In fact, the sound from the aircraft will be displayed on the radar (provided that the SAM radar has the ability to detect sound), but the accuracy of the radar will be noticeably lower, including due to the diffraction of the sound wave and the loss of part of its energy when it collides with the surface of the earth, trees, buildings and other obstacles. Of course, anti-missile countermeasures could be used at high altitude, but their number is very limited, which dictates new conditions for certain missions.

but their avionics and airframe is upgraded. the design itself is old but not the aircraft. they’re rather “new” if you would like to call it that.

Yeah, now you should explain that it took Russia 10 years to catch up. It doesn't matter which airframe is older if that airframe is superior.

@@PyroBlonde7777 why?

F-16, 15, and 18 have updated avionics and radar. But the Ukrainian Mig-29 is on the same level as how was produced. In the times when Mig-29 started their career, he was on the same level or better than F-16.

Exactly everyone still thinks the metrics of this war or measured by capturing Kyiv that changed a long time ago. The metrics of measuring this war are pushing Russia off the territory they currently occupy Which is much easier said than done they start the results so far of the counteroffensive

A lot can be said about your statement. But Russia is a paper bear. Aging equipment left outside in the harsh weather with open hatches and ports, their vehicle supply is short. They can't produce anything modern besides a retro tank for the parades. Any competent military officer was let go due to Putin's paranoia and training skills were reduced, making the military for the lazy in Russian society. I'm not saying they will run out in 2 weeks or next year. But if all the US has to invest is 40 billion to completely declaw the bear, I'm absolutely amazed that Russia even chose this fight. At least they could pretend before this...

​@justadude8716 dude where is your source for all of this.

@@justadude8716said the samething about the ussr in ww2. If anything Russias gonna innovate like they’ve always done.

@@justadude8716stop falling into the western propaganda, they said that russia had exhausted their ammunitions yet here they are after more than a year still launching strikes on ukraine

why?

The f16s the U.S. flies today are not the same ones they flew in the 70s/80s

​@@Dunger974You understand that it’s not only the United States that is modernizing its equipment, right?

@@Dunger974 true but will ukraine recieve the newest model? It might but probably no

@@aleksejtratnik817 their current mig29s have not been upgraded since they entered service, which means they cannot carry things like the r77. Even the most primitive f16 is able to carry the most modern amraams and sidewinders, which is what makes the difference. If they needed a longer range radar, they could just swap it out, whereas they cannot swap out the mig's radar for a better one since the only better ones that fit are russian.

Its so they can see behind just like in a car or something

he didn't die

@@walterhelych2401 like Elvis

@@maryjane-jq1cw?

Some f16 variants are a lot better than the su35

Says who? The ruZZians have shot down 2 Su35's recently. They haven't shot down any F16's...The only people say what you said are the ruZZians and ruZZian buttlickers and morons....

idfk

hon hon

Ukrainian mig-29s do not have the same retrofits that many of the US's modern f-15s and f-16s have. I.E. F-16 block 70 and F-15EX vs soviet era mig 29s.

@@elipseplays3579 then wouldnt it make sense to retrofit the mig 29s rather than getting new systems??

Do you propose to train Ukrainians on a Russian flight simulator to fly Western aircraft?

They have significantly better than DCS to train pilots. It still takes time.

A LOT of the combat systems are classified and just mimicked to the best of DCS's ability. It is not that close, especially not considering the technology from the 80's and forward where many things are still classified. The airplanes, and the basics of them - yes, they are quite close in that regard.

They do

@@BorisCode They fly Russian jets lol

The aging comes from the lack of upgrades, not the actual age of the airframe.

F-16 has been updated so much it's nothing like the mig 29 anymore

That would be assuming the ruZZians have an updated system to put in it. They don't.

they werent

Your conviently forgetting out that they were Legacy Hornets, Not super hornets. Plus the conditions of those Hornets ranged from scrap parts to barely airworthy. Legacy Hornets wont survive against a Su-27, a Su-35, A Mig 35 or Su-47 or Su-57 or any of their S-300/400 GTAM sites.

@@scarehalo5 imagine acting like a little kid when a country that couldn't care less about you offers you Fighter Jets ..

@norwegiangangsta It's war. and A. your committing ad-hominem. So better rephrase it.

Yep pretty much 🤣

well the idiotic ruZZians are worried about them That is all that really matters....