Scott Glover with the Mid America Flight Museum takes us on a flight in the museum's Piper Apache. Scott explains how fun this airplane is to fly and talks us through some maneuvers.
Wish I had Scott as my instructor, his easy going nature and knowledge of the aircraft would make learning enjoyable. He flies that Apache as if it’s second nature.
A lot of instructors just want to show you how great they are especially young ones. Get a older instructor that’s been around a long time and isn’t a show off. You can’t learn from someone like that.
In the 1080s I received my multi engine rating in an updated Apache. After the left engine out portion of the check ride, the starter went out and we could not restart the left engine. I had to hand pump the gear down, made one of the best landings ever, and taxied into a parking space on the ramp. The instructor was so impressed, she gave me my rating on the spot. She had owned Apaches and did not think I could get it off the runway into the ramp. I would absolutely recommend the Apache.
Hi Erick, A great video. Currently, I own two Apaches. One a 150hp and one 180hp STC. A couple of things I would do differently, but a couple of things I’ve changed because of you. That demonstrates that one is never too old or experienced to learn. Two things that I really appreciate in your video. First, is your reaction sequence and timing to an engine failure, demonstrating it is not an immediate catastrophe that needs to be dealt with immediate impulsive behavior. The second is door popping, although exciting for the moment, it’s not the end of the world. The only thing I could add is to give your front right seat passenger a chore so they focus on that and not trying to climb into your shirt pocket thinking they will be sucked out of the plane. Best, Bill
Was riding along while my dad was providing instruction to a student in the Apache. Door popped open just as Scott described. The biggest distractor was the incredible noise inside the plane from the wind. Dad took control, slowed the plane down and landed. No issue
Really enjoyed the video. My father owned a I think 1957 Apache back in the late 60'S. I remember flying with him in it. brought back some memories.Thanks for posting
Thanks Erik and Scott. This brings back memories of my father flying the Piper Apache since the early 60's out of the Riverside, CA Municipal Airport. I and my 4 brothers were often his co-pilots. After the mission was done there was time to pull a few g's for fun, or skim low over the surface of Lake Mathews at high speed.
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I used to do the governor test shown at 04:48 the wrong way. I used to pull each prop lever all the way to minimum RPM, watch the RPM drop and then push again all the way up to full flat pitch. That's how I had learned from my instructor, and that was probably how he learned from his. Until one fine day, when I flew with a very generous A&P mechanic who should be retired by then but loved to teach and was always around the FBO, and he explained then and there why I was doing it wrong. He taught me exactly like you did in the video. He has almost certainly passed away by now, as this was circa 1986 and he was already in his 70s then. When you brought this up, it instantly reminded me of him.
Great video - total confidence and competence, and an encouraging and engaging manner in demonstrating the aircraft. Really well done - thanks for posting.
Came back for another helping! The new issue of the VAA 'Vintage Airplane' magazine has a nice Apache article, and I remembered watching this nice in-flight report. 👍
Brought back memories as I've re-watched this clip. Got my Multi rating in a '56 Apache. A forgivable old cow on landings. On a hot summer's day, the joke was single engine rate of climb was a negative 50 foot per minute. My only Multi PIC was flying back from the check ride, from Danville, IL to Terre Haute(Hulman Field) IN.
This is awesome! I just had my first flying lesson a couple of weeks ago and it was in a Piper, I loved it! I have my next lesson in a few weeks time, I might ask the instructor if he'll let me take control of the wheel for takeoff. Great video! Very inspiring 😊
Like your video. Have flown one for over 35 years and owned one for the past 20 years - a 150 hp just like yours. When doing an air start I have always found they light off better if I shut off the right mag and give one shot of prime.For the question on the Aztec - yes they are a sweetheart to fly also. They are heavier of course. They do not like to start when hot so shutting an engine down in flight I refuse to do.I do 90% of my landings at half flap. Your nose stayed up because you had a rear passenger.Cheers.
Got my ME in an old 310 and stopped flying soon after that. Long time ago. This made me realise again that i realy love flying. Thanks for the great video!
Very nice job showing the viewers how to fly an Apache. I was extremely impressed with your commentary and instruction. You now have a new subscriber ! A very enjoyable video and extremely educational. I am making the assumption you are a CFI from your presentation. Thanks for the video!
"Flying The Piper Apache" was enough to make me click on it. Subscribed also. Hope to see more with Scott in them. Very thorough and easy to understand his explanations. Reminds me of my old Multi instructor whom is no longer with us. Makes learning enjoyable and more productive. Actual demonstration eliminates the wonder of what it would really be like verses simulation (as long as you don't get stupid with it) which Scott did not. Is Scott still instructing and is the Apache available for dual rental? If so, location please? Enjoyed watching this and look forward to more. Brings back old memories of the Apache when I was a kid. I remember when they were brand new. Airport bum at a Piper dealership. I was in all of the new Piper aircraft they made at that time. Good memories indeed. Thanks!
Fly'n steam is quickly becoming a lost art... Used to fly an old Cherokee that had the hand crank trim up high like that, loved that aircraft :-) They had an Aztec at our airport, although I never flew it, I did get to fly the Chieftan, but I always wanted to fly that Aztec ;-) Thanks for the walk down memory lane Mr Johnston, always enjoy your video's !:-)
Nice video. You're knowledgeable and comfortable in the airplane. I only flew the Apache once, it was when I was teaching in the Aztec and I visited a buddy on Long Island. The numbers and speeds were similar to the Arrow. It was fun and easy to fly but it was modestly powered. Many guys said it really wasn't a twin; it was a single with half the cylinders on each wing. I'd like to do it again.
Really love your video, audio and video clear, the demonstration on the engine out was great and how to feather the prop in an apache. Waiting on other videos :)
No doubt you know your Pa 23 very well ,, you demonstrate all phases of flight with a natural relaxed confidence , and especially the single engine procedure that many people have the the tendency to bad mouth the Piper Apache,, , which taught entire generations of commercial pilots flying today ,, thank you very much . e.b.
Years ago I lived in Seguin, Texas and on the local airport there was a company that took Apaches, zero timed the airframe, added a long sleek nose, hung 180 hp. engines, new panels, added gear doors and lots of other really slick mods. They called it the Geronimo. Made a really nice little airplane.
I got my multi engine in an Apache, and later did the multi part of my commercial in a Geronimo. I miss them. Shortly thereafter I bought a 1958 Cessna 310, which is balanced on the head of a pin compared to the Apache!
My Apache has turbo 180's, so more power than I need. It's not dangerously under powered if you are a proficiently trained in an Apache. I lost the left engine on another Apache during take-off at a small, unattended airport. Full fuel and three souls on board. Was able to get back to my home base no problem, approximately 50 miles. You have to know what you are doing when flying an Apache.
ErikJohnston Am in the US Army and Currently taking AP classes ( in a civilian college). This came handy.🙌🏾💪🏾. Thanks for the detailed class and demo. I’ve subscribed to your channel for more of these vids.
Nice vid--thanks for the ride. Smooth and quiet without the overbearing radio chatter so many of these GA videos have. The Apache does its 140 knots so well.
I got my multi endorsement in an Apache back in 1970 at the Barstow-Daggett airport. It's the only multi that I've been able to fly ... and none since my check ride.
ERIC FIRST TIME WATCHING YOUR CHANNEL. LOVED THE PA-23 VIDEO. I MANY YEARS AGO GOT MY MULTI ON AN APACHE. I THINK IT HAD 160HP PER SIDE N4354P LACONIA NH. THANK YOU.
Great video....calm approach to the entire flight. I had only one experience with a screaming instructor...decided that he really did not like flying. and I switched instructors after one flight.
Nice video and very good knowledge of his aircraft. I know very little about GA but what about checklists? Never saw one being used. Maybe this is normal.
"How fun this airplane is to fly" ... hmmm ... ya, with both engines running, it's a fun airplane. I got a student his multi rating in an Apache. I remember the first after take-off simulated engine out I gave him. After setting the simulated feathered engine with zero thrust (or what I estimated zero thrust) I noted with some combination of amusement and alarm that we were still descending (and this was with only us two on board). We were descending toward a golf course and at about 400 feet AGL I remember thinking "golly, if this were the real thing we'd be landing there". This was the only student I had in the Apache. The Twin Commanche rented for only a little more and was a much better multi-engine training aircraft (and a whole lot more fun to fly, as well). And for those who could afford it (mostly GI-Bill students whose flight time was paid for by Uncle Sam) the Aztec was available and much preferred (especially by the flight instructor, hah hah).
I really like Scott's relaxed approach and simple explanations. I've always heard that Apaches are difficult to fly on one engine and that's evidently not true.
Super EZ to flay .. As Scott demonstrated there is nothing complicated nor rushed in doing anything .. It fly's much better and safer on one engine than any single engine airplane ..
Awesome old-fashioned homespun olden-days flying! No checklists, figures out his own procedures, explanations based on intuitions and understanding. Great stuff! I used to fly in the olden days! Thanks for explanation of governor v.s. feather check. Loss of oil pressure causes automatic feathering without the governor. But can your governor control the RPM within the range where it normally should? Thats the governor check.
When you do a governor check, you set the RPM and raise and increase the manifold pressure to make sure the RPM holds. That's how I do a governor check anyway.
An Apache will fly on one engine. Just not very high. But it fly you all the way to the crash site. The engine out ceiling is about 4000 feet density altitude.
