4:54 "You ARE foolish, all of you...even my own son." Love that delivery. One of Ed Blaylock's finest performances (of which there were many in my opinion).
@Makhi Makharadze father custom made the bodies of the homunculi. Their souls are basically formed from the vices of the population of xerxes. Envy is different. His body itself is formed from people.
Pride was just toying with Mustang he probably is every bit as powerful as Wrath but his personality was completely different. He was more indulgent and expressive less focused on the task at hand unlike Wrath. To wrath fighting was definitely his outlet and relished the chance to do so.
Yeah, here’s always smiling while fighting, showing his pride, while Wrath barley ever smiled while fighting, showing his wrath and how seriously he took it
100% I will always take the WInecellar death because just the view of him Choking his HUMAN SON was so much more brutal for the tone. I love Wrath bradley but I can't ever unsee the absolute badassery of Mustang Torching the fucker after he hurt his own kid :). I always hated Pride in FMAB like he wasn't inherently bad but the view on bradley having SOME semblance of humanity from the outside is what made me love his character so much. But fuck watching Bradley wreak havoc on everyone as wrath is a sight to see haha
@@tempestindustries9446 i enjoyed Bradley's death in fmab a lot more than in fma. Generally i prefered fma deaths but i enjoyed bradely's last words in bortherhood i think the instance where the homunculi are more human or insightful i enjoy. in brotherhood his death is triumphant, he dies on his terms, here its the end of a man whos motive is confusing as well as his relationship with his son
@@medalgear654 Nah. As cool as the tank scene was it was way over the top. This scene feels grounded and more intimate. It just comes down to personal preference.
What I love about the original anime. There wasn’t really a happy ending the characters had to make the best of the consequences. They had to keep moving foward. How that ed and al crossed over to our world. While I love how brother hood gave us that closure. That the hard work wasn’t for nothing. They were able to find a way even someone like scar was able to move foward put his wrath behind him. Fma kept that tone that alchemy isn’t the short cut the people were expecting. There was a much higher price to pay. Good intentions can led down to hfil.
I just love this I understand why FMA wasn’t as good as FMAB as a whole, but one thing I seriously wanted to see stay in FMAB is a fight between Bradley and Mustang A man with much alchemical power vs a man with much political power Seriously, an actual fight between Mustang and Bradley would’ve been badass And nobody bring up the “fight” they had in brotherhood where Wrath just rushes and stabs Mustang while avoiding the flame alchemy, because that wasn’t even a fight, it ended in less than 5 seconds
I disagree Brotherhood is not better both versions are amazing 2003 had a stronger start and developed the main cast more especially some of the homunculus and yes the tone is also an amazing Factor so is the messages of the series
I agree there are parts of it I wanna watxh again but I don't know about all the way through since there are parts that I didn't like. Things I did like were, seeing ed take the exam, seeing abit more adventures of edward and al, learning about the concept if the homunculi( I liked that they were sort of like clones but also there own people, wish we got more back story for some of the others like gluttony though and greed, My other complaint is that its ending felt to rushed, and the final confrontation of edward and envy is cut short to my disliking. I liked that the story starts showing when edward met mustang for the firat time, seeing him go from being a nervous 14 year old boy around mustang to the sassy short rival we all know and love was a treat.
I will always stand by how the concept of the homunculi, how they were made and how to kill them, was just so much more impactful in FMA over brotherhood
I love how the original anime handled the homunculus, being the outcome of human transmutation and their only weakness is the remains of the person they once were. It just hits a lot deeper than them being Fathers emotions given life through a stone, an all you have to do is burn out their stone to beat them.
@@user-tp6gz7dp3v but that was exactly what happened in bortherhood. Mustang flame blasted two of them over and over and thats it. Even Sloth basically just got punched to deth
@@asa_6110 Mustang's alchemy is OP: Gluttony and Greed are the only homunculuses who can negate it's effect and Sloth was beaten to death time and time again he was also not taking the fight seriously most of the time whitch was the factor of his defeat....
I think the messege that truth imposed on the world in brotherhood is much more impactful. The dead do not come back to life and even if you tried what you create isn't even your loved one.
As amazing as FMA Brotherhood fights with Bradley were I prefer this one over all of them. This scene is personal, intimate and instead of a bombastic and over the top fight scene it is a gruesome encounter in a wine cellar of all places. Overall this scene feels much more real and plausible, like how a real coup could or an attempt on a leader's life might happen... And that is impressive from a scene where immortal swordsman fights against a guy in a suit who can throw fireballs. Well, overall I prefer FMA 2003 over Brotherhood (which is excellent in some aspects).
Brotherhood comment section: Man, this thing sure is cool/sad/thought provoking. 2003 comment section: Brotherhoodbrotherhoodbrotherhoodbrotherhood- You guys DO realize it's not the 2010s anymore, right?
As amazing as this fight was, I just noticed something that’s bugging me.. Mustang sealed the door shut with his alchemy, as if to say “even if I fall here, I will not let this monster escape” right? Or at least, that’s what it looked like to me. But then right as Bradley is about to kill Mustang, Selim walks in without so much as a struggle. He’s not a homunculus in this version, he’s no alchemist, he’s merely a 10 year old boy. How did he nonchalantly get in? As much as I got satisfaction from Roy taking down Bradley for good, he realistically should’ve been killed there if I’m right.
Salim came through a different door. That leads to the kitchen The fight had moved from the wine cellar to the kitchen. Mustang had blasted the fight into the kitchen. So mustang had unfortunately provided a way for Bradley to escape but that was irrelevant as pride Bradley can cut his way out. But it did present the opportunity for salim to hand his father his one weakness. Fma was in a time anime never stuck directly to the original manga and only based off. So fit an original storyline. It’s pretty good.
@@brawl8 I agree, 2003 FMA is a masterpiece and I find myself going back to it more than brotherhood. And thanks for the clarification, I somehow didn’t notice they moved to a different location. Guess I was too captivated by the fight itself.
Most of the fight occurred off-screen. The fight actually left the wine cellar and entered the kitchen, likely due to Mustang blowing holes in the wall. So Selim entered through a different door.
Bradley as Pride is nowhere near as scary as FMA:B's Wrath. Yes, his abilities are mostly the same, but even with the additional bonus of regeneration as Pride, he doesn't have the same menace. He's just another homunculus like the others and feels more like a proper pawn, he just kinda sneers at Mustang and exchanges a few blows, but it's clear he's just posturing and wasting energy on being scornful. On the other hand, Wrath went for the throat every single time, yes he was given to indulge in philosophical debate mid-fight, but it never made him lose focus for even a moment, and the fact that he didn't need the regen ability of his fellow homunculi made him all the more intimidating. FMA:B's Pride and Father may have been more powerful and the BBEGs, but in my opinion, Bradley was the true threat.
You say the other version is better, yet you came back to watch this one. I can't even remember a single fight in FMAB. It was not nearly as well composed as this first version was.
You are absolutely right. The fact that Wrath, the only homunculus who couldn't regenerate, was stronger than 90% of the cast when he was *well past his prime* is just so frickin cool. Also in Fmab wrath is mostly calm but there's this underlying sense of extreme anger in his voice
Hot take: I like this series a _lot_ more than Brotherhood. I _get_ why people prefer Brotherhood, but authenticity for its own sake is a lost cause. TV is just a different format altogether, and requires different pacing, different devices, etc. The original series _HAD_ to diverge somehow. The comic was great, (and Brotherhood, by extension) but the original broadcast stood on its own two feet after the first two seasons or so. It had its own identity. They're both great for their own reasons, and it breaks my heart to see the original run being put through the ringer as often as it is.
I believe lots of people prefer Brotherhood overall because it has a much more in depth story, the Elric Brothers actually get their bodies back, it also has alot more action scenes
@@PatSpeedruns Lots of people in every 2003 FMA video/review prefer it over Brotherhood. I’m sorry not everyone thinks so highly of your precious Final Fantasy/Disney-esque storytelling, you Brotherhood fan boy or fan girl.
@Rgoid in FMAB he was degraded as Wrath, and Saleem: the son he choked was upgraded to Pride, the first Sin that “Father” wanted to get rid off, the second was Wrath, so I guess that being an homunculi is a family tradition for the Bradley family’s, or whatever they are called, because they are technically all brothers. The “Dwarf in the Flasks” the not yet developed form of Father, when got the human form became the father/producer of all the homunculi, so they are by the book brothers, even if Wrath is the official father of Pride they are in reality both sons of Father, same for all the others homunculi. Pride and Wrath are the most powerful and evolved from theirs original form to fit in with humans, my personal opinion: the most powerful and the most evolved from its original form of Sin is Greed.
Yeah Pride was just toying with mustang and severely underestimated him we he could have just cut his head off with his first strike he wanted to humiliate Mustang first. Wrath didn’t give Mustang the chance to even fight back.
It hits completely different in the early 2000s when you got to watch the anime for the first time though. Brotherhood anime had the manga predate its episodes while the 2003 version had none for the most part... I remember getting anxious as hell if they were gonna kill off Mustang.
Trust me it goes both ways haha. Lust being an incredibly generic bad guy and Izumi getting her organs back in Brotherhood are both so cursed to me, the latter especially because how seriously equivalent exchange is taken in 03 beyond just being a mechanical law
@@trueblue6201 sorry it’s been awhile, but my point is she no longer had her punishment from performing human transmutation. In Brotherhood, Izumi’s condition is treated as more of a gag or a way to keep her from fighting strong opponents, and when Hoheniem performs alchemy on her, it’s main purpose was likely because the author wanted Izumi to participate in the final battles. In 03, Izumi’s condition is treated as a much harsher punishment for performing human transmutation, and is a serious indicator of her shortened lifespan. It still would make sense on a conceptual level if Izumi either got new organs or they got rearranged due to the philosopher stone obtained towards the end of the show, but the point is 03 wouldn’t do that unless something greater was taken away, because equivalent exchange is more than a battle shounen mechanic; equivalent exchange in 03 also encompasses, and even critiques, the idea of “if I put in work into something, I will get what I want in return”. Equivalent exchange might be “equivalent” but it’s not necessarily fair. At the end of 03, Ed and Al are not truly rewarded for their hard work and suffering, but they did grow throughout it, and that was what they got in exchange. It’s not necessarily a bad decision that this isn’t a theme discussed at length in Brotherhood, but I will never forget how weird I felt when Izumi was essentially “cured” of her punishment from human transmutation. TLDR Izumi’s condition being pretty much cured goes against the main theme from 03 and will just always be weird to me.
Que luta fantástica teria sido o King Bradley ou ORGULHO vs o Selim Bradley o ORGULHO do Brotherhood hein!? Eu VEJO uma mudança drástica, pois o Bradley dessa versão PODIA se regenerar dos ferimentos graves bem fácil, pois o Bradley do Brotherhood nem de longe PODIA fazer isso!
@@makerboy1074 oh boy it took me longer than i expected 😂 about 45min but here it is it s called conquest ✌️❤️ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WYPc_CcN0Zo.html
I think of myself as one of God's Guardian angels... "There's no such thing as God..." We can't know that for sure... however devils do exist, they're the alchemists who DARE TO GET IN MY WAY. That line goes hard
One thing I never understood, why was Mustang sent to deal with Bradley if they didn't have his remains? Didn't they know he couldn't kill him without the parts of the original body? Like if Bradley's kid didn't come down with the skull Mustang would've died and Bradley would've escaped.
So in this version of fma you can still technically kill a homunculus, its just really fucking hard to much like it is in brotherhood. Parts of the original body just make the homunculus much weaker.
I love him for that. He was prideful because his son was no like other humans and totally ruin this and brandley in his pride tries to kill him is amazing really fits to his character
Less so than the manga, which had a lot of deus ex machina. Bradley was also killed by deus ex machina in the manga (the sunlight blinding him) as was Pride (Kimblee somehow being able to exist as a dominant soul in Pride and Edward being able to turn himself into a Philosopher's Stone to transmute Pride into a child), and the defeat of Father powered by God through Von Hoenheim's almost unmentioned counter transmutation circle.
@@trueblue6201 I agree about the Kimblee thing, but I disagree with the counter transmutation circle, it was constantly hinted at. It's not a deus ex if you have multiple scenes of hoenheim traveling and spilling his own parts of the philosopher stone into random locations, something being referenced and then explained later doesn't count as a deus ex machina
The English voice of Mustang in 2003 is so much better than Brotherhood imo, even if it's done by the same guy. The 2003 performance matches his colder personality more, in Brotherhood Mustang's voice sounded.. err... kinda forced and a little dramatic even in normal scenes. He sounds more natural here.
I just watched Brotherhood and yesterday I was looking over the wiki description of the 2003 anime. For what I read, it can even be called an alternative timeline, or at least thats what I see. It even seems to have interesting concepts (I don't really have the ability to say if they are good or not, but if I watch it fot sure.) Although, this comment section really seems like a warzone, at least the super vs gt debates can co-exist nicely with each other; brotherhood vs 2003 anime tho...I have the face that Bradley has on Brotherhood when Ling comesback within the many souls inside greed to tell Bradley to not understimate humans.
I highly recommend watching FMA 2003. Both 2003 and Brotherhood are different, but both are excellent. FMA 2003 is more intimate and character focused story while Brotherhood is more action / story driven story.
Actually at the time they were making this episode the manga was at the point where it was revealed King Bradley was Wrath, but since the 2003 anime already made its own Wrath they had to make him Pride.
@c.a.whodat The episode where Bradley is revealed as a homonculus and kills Martel came out 4 days before the manga had him fight Greed and be revealed as Wrath. That chapter, which also included the introduction of Father, Ling, and May, would be the last chapter published before the 2003 series ended.
Funfact this Bradley is more OP than brotherhood imagine his eye give him counterattacks to enything he see even transmutation of Mustang brotherhood breadly didn t have such overpowered ability ✌️he saw everything but.....he wans t able counter transmutations
In Brotherhood, Bradley was weakened by... 1. Being hampered by old age. 2. Surviving a train accident. 3. Fighting off multiple characters at once and being wounded for it. He did struggle to defeat Scar, who was unarmed - but he forced scar to use alchemy to reconstruct matter instead of merely deconstructing it. Bradley in Brotherhood was made much more powerful. Had he been in his prime, he would have anhialated everyone with relative ease.
Brotherhood Feels like essentially rebooted fan fiction (yeah i said it to piss you off and you know who you are) where they decided that having character driven story, developments and a darker tone was too much for "the slow Brain” (which they seem to think is huge) of most anime watchers and decided to just refill the series with hardcore anime action cliche Brotherhood focusses more on delivering you scenes where your brain only has to register that something cool occurred, instead of having to understand the implication of something they show. cause that could make the neurons fire and short circuit For example, Alchemists’ best example of writing is seen here, Bradley vs Mustang in Alchemist is a real fight and more importantly contains a lot of character driven elements that show the fault in Bradley that leads to his downfall; 1. Having Mustang as the one to face Bradley, always felt right, it’s the person who represents the corruption, arrogance and threat of governmental power vs. the person who represents the dedication, duty, and nobility of the government, 2. Furthermore having the skull, made more sense, it showed that Bradley was seemingly supernatural but still grounded to earth by the last piece of his original body, the only weakness he has 3. The fact he was so prideful or wrathful (cause that could have worked too) that he kills his own son instead of finishing off Roy, out of pride or wrath, because his son showed and brought out his weakness, the thing that he fears and covets most, is what allows Mustang the time to grab the skull and destroy them both This is truly brilliant writing, having his own sin be what does him in. A far more superior form of character writing to brotherhoods scene.
Couldn't agree more sadly alot of anime fans are mindless consumerists thats why people like hellsing ultimate over the original 2001 gonzo hellsing despite one being just style over substance and the other a noir masterpiece.
@@doubleflores8350 I will say that Brotherhood is very cool, and has a better pace and more flow in terms of episodes and plot then Alchemist Alchemist could sometimes get bogged down by story and character, it wasn’t as flashy or as tantalizing as some action anime can be, and i do think it came off as boring. but the darker tone i will say fit better with that format, and i think the darker tone for the nature of the series and content was essential.
@@kingpiye7060 I’m not against action based ANIME series, but the are what they are this is a remake version of a name that was more character written and oriented To claim that Brotherhood was the better which is implied because of dropping all writing and character driven elements that were well done and or mastered in Alchemist is what bothers me
hmm, was fma bradleys son not pride? I feel like i should have watched fma which is different from the story to fmab Also fr mustang got that homunculus killer blood in him.
The 2003 series progressed too quickly for the manga. Instead of doing a long filler arc, it told its own story. The 2003 series finished in October 2004. At that point the manga had only reached the point of Greed being captured by Father and Ling being introduced. Pride and Sloth had not appeared in any real capacity at that point. In fact the revelation that Bradley was Wraith occurred 2 weeks before 2003 episode revealed him as Pride.
The 03 anime and the 09 anime differ off from each other for the simple fact the manga was caught up to in the original show but the station running the anime version was rushing for its completion so it ended up having its own story that wasn’t tied to the manga. In the 03 anime and 09 anime, 3 homunculus are swapped around. Those homunculus are pride sloth and wrath. In 03 FMA it’s Sloth- Trisha Elric Bradley- Pride Wrath- Teacher’s dead son In brotherhood it’s Sloth- the big sleepy giant Pride- Selim Bradley Wrath- Fuhur Bradley
@@efazchowdhury3866 To be honest Fuhrer, king, etc Bradley as either Pride or Wrath works either way actually, it doesn’t matter as Pride is the sin from which most others especially wrath follow and stem from...but this scene, in terms of character and story is far superior to anything brotherhood came up with Brotherhood feels like someone said “let’s reboot the series but drop all the emotional, character driven story and Development and just go full anime action” and that shows Again Bradley vs Mustang in Alchemist is a real fight and more importantly contains a lot of character driven elements that show the fault in Bradley that leads to his downfall the fact he was so prideful or wrathful (cause that could have worked too) that he kills his son instead of finishing off Roy, out of pride or wrath, because his son showed and brought out his weakness, the thing that he fears and covets most allowing Mustang the time to grab the skull and destroy them both Is truly brilliant writing, having his own sin be what does him in. A far more superior form of character writing to brotherhoods scene.
@@mckenzie.latham91 brotherhood isn’t a reboot though. Brotherhood is a by the book’s adaptation of the Manga. But that doesn’t make 2003 any less than brotherhood. If anything, 2003 felt more of a story about brothers then brotherhood did.
@@hiimjordan4896 The stories are different and there are a few character differences, but they both basically start out the same and end differently. The 2003 anime started adapting the manga but the manga wasn’t finished at the time yet, causing them to make up the rest of the story. After the manga was finished, they then adapted the manga into Brotherhood which directly follows the events of the manga, but doesn’t really dive too deep into the beginning of the story since a lot of the beginning part was covered in the 2003 anime.
Brotherhood is essentially rebooted fan fiction (yeah i said it to piss you off and you know who you are) where they decided that having character driven story, developments and a darker tone was too much for the slow Brian of most anime watchers and decided to just refill the series with hardcore anime action cliche Brotherhood forces more on delivering you scenes where your brain only has to register that something cool occurred, instead of having to understand the implication of something implied cause that could make the neurons fire and shoot circuit For example, Alchemists’ best example of writing is seen here, Bradley vs Mustang in Alchemist is a real fight and more importantly contains a lot of character driven elements that show the fault in Bradley that leads to his downfall; 1. Having Mustang as the one to face Bradley, always felt right, it’s the person who represents the corruption, arrogance and threat of governmental power vs. the person who represents the dedication, duty, and nobility of the government, 2. Furthermore having the skull, made more sense, it showed that Bradley was seemingly supernatural but still grounded to earth by the last piece of his original body, the only weakness he has 3. The fact he was so prideful or wrathful (cause that could have worked too) that he kills his own son instead of finishing off Roy, out of pride or wrath, because his son showed and brought out his weakness, the thing that he fears and covets most, is what allows Mustang the time to grab the skull and destroy them both This is truly brilliant writing, having his own sin be what does him in. A far more superior form of character writing to brotherhoods scene.
Not true about Brotherhood being a fan fiction, the manga that FMA is based off was still being written (2001-2010) when this show came out in 2003. The studio ran out of the source material after a point and went there own path after that, Envy being Ed and Al's brother, Bradley being Pride, Sloth being Ed's mother, and Wrath being Izumi's kid was there idea not the authors. When Hiromu Arakawa finished the manga the same studio came back and did Brotherhood which followed it much more closely.
@@martanek1082 I checked online about that and it says Bradley snapped his sons neck and Mustang carried his lifeless body outside. That was a pretty dark scene
In original anime Selim isn t homunculi. And all homunculi are products of human transmutation. They're weak in present of remains of person wich alchemists try bring back to life. Edward literally ripped apart his mom several times and kill her. Scar died in process of creating a philosopher stone. Izumi died.......because if her inner injuries....her son couldn't handled it and did assisted suicide with help of Alphonse......
He’s far superiorly written in this version then in Brotherhood again Brotherhood seemed just be the result of the writers and or studios saying “let’s reboot the series and just drop any and all meaningful character development and driven story elements from the show and just go full on anime action mode”
design-wise or ability-wise? yeah i'd say his design in 03 is pretty weak but i don't think his BH design is better, his manga design is my favorite though
@@mckenzie.latham91 What makes all forms of FMA great is how realistic and human the character designs are despite the artstyle, at the beginning Ed and Al are young boys and at the end young men with well build bodies, what's more is that the characters resemble who they're the children of, though I think his is broken with Envy's human form who just resembles a younger Hohenheim with no traces of his mother despite the fact we know what Dante originally looked like, just not her eye color and shape is unknown
@@Max-ei8dn yeah but I do prefer scar from the 2003 dub voice more. Scar in the 2003 version was way younger looking, badass, and relatable. The scar from brotherhood is just some middle aged brute that kills people. I’m not totally finished with brother hood so don’t tell me anything to crazy
and on number 578 of why brotherhood was great but the original anime was fucking trash, we have king bradley murdering his own son and dying because someon found a skull.
By the way, the first few episodes of FMA Brotherhood rushes character introductions to the extreme because they assumed those who would watch Brotherhood are those who have watched FMA 2003. FMA Brothehood was not even made with the intention to attract new audiences. It was intended as an "Easter egg" for FMA 2003 fans to let them know how the FMA manga version would be like if it was animated.
