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FNAB 43: From WW2 Italy to Algerian Independence

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Designed and manufactured by Fabbrica Nazionale d'Armi di Brescia (National Arms Factory of Brescia) in northern Italy, for use by the RSI and German military forces (as well as some partisan units). They were produced in 1943 and 1944, and only about 1,000 were made (all with serial numbers in the 5,000 range, for unknown reasons). They were quite expensive to produce, with milled receivers and a closed-bolt lever-delayed mechanism.
Interestingly, many of the surviving examples came out of Algeria, where a batch of the guns was smuggled in for use by independence forces. Their markings were milled off, and replaced by fake marks in an attempt to hide their origins - "Maschine Pistole P.M. 43" (an interesting combination of German and French elements). This example went back to France later, where it was unfortunately deactivated by the St Etienne proof house.
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@luisantolafrancis519 Год назад

During the 50s and specialy the 60s Italian gun dealers and smugglers were notorious and quite famous in providing guns and munitions all over Africa. They had the conections and easy access to the continent surplus and captured ww2 weapons were the trade of the day so its not rare the deface and "germanization" of the markings so french dont suspect or easy trace the italian origin of the guns.

@arty3738 Год назад

The French and Italian authorities were well aware of the gun smuggling from Italy. During the conflict they both deployed military vessels to intercept gun smugglers in the Mediterranean Sea, with mixed results.

@codygranrud6212 Год назад

Certainly would fit the times.

@1südtiroltechnik Год назад

@@codygranrud6212 Certainly fits Southitalia today.

@badlaamaurukehu Год назад

WW2 as well.

@clarkitothebaddito Год назад

🤌🤌🤌

@nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676 Год назад

What a wonderful gun, shame It was deactivated

@SamuraiAkechi Год назад

I've been waiting for this smg for So Damn Long. Btw it was also used by various extreme groups during Years of Lead. If I'm not mistaken, the Red Brigades team that captured Aldo Moro had one FNAB and one TZ-45.

@italianduded1161 Год назад

Same here brooo I wanted to see this for the Black Brigades and Other RSI soldiers

@d.k.5092 Год назад

Dito, always wanted to see a proper disassembly of this gun!

@Jack72607 Год назад

If I am not mistaken it was one of the few smgs that didn’t jam during the raid (the assailants even had a more modern m12 but that jammed as well). Aldo Moro was later murdered with a burts a vz-61 skorpion

@missionslos8856 Год назад

@Ben Avery of around 1000 built?

@clavididk1236 Год назад

Also in peaky blinders when Thomas comes to visit Evadne Bardwell looks just like the same gun. I thought he used a ppsh 43 but now I see the resemblance.

@launch4 Год назад

Considering that it's an expensive submachine gun firing from a closed bolt, it actually sounds like one of the first of the 'third generation' of submachine guns, which are really pistol caliber select fire carbines like the MP5 and Scorpion Evo 3 moreso the cheaply produced pistol caliber machine guns like the Sten and Uzi. Always had a thing for weapons like that.

@jubuttib Год назад

Or last of the 1st generation? =)

@jubuttib Год назад

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine The way I remember Ian's video was 1st gen being mostly typified by being well made, fairly to really expensive, somewhat fancy, possibly also complex submachine guns, as were most of the examples you give. 2nd generation was indeed the "we need to simplify and cheapify these asap". And 3rd gen in Ian's words IIRC was typified by starting to implement common control layouts with the rifles of the period, like MP5 and G3 pair. I might need to watch the video again, but under these premises the Scorpion Evo 3 definitely is a 3rd gen SMG (it handles very much like a cold war or later rifle), and I don't really see a reason why the FNAB 43 couldn't be considered a late example Gen 1. It's far too complex and fancy for a gen 2, and too much of its own thing for a gen 3.

@VorpalDerringer Год назад

This showed up in Sniper Elite IV and I was surprised by how small it was.

@me.ne.frego. Год назад

It's a first gen SMG with folding stock and fixed rear sight. A third gen SMG would be something with polymer and accesory rails for example.

@jubuttib Год назад

@@me.ne.frego. The FNAB 43? Yes, late example of a 1st gen is what I would rate it as. The talk about 3rd gen was for the Scorpion EVO 3.

@zupperm Год назад

”Eh another stamped sten clone” Vince McMahon getting progressively more excited meme: -Folding Magazine -Closed bolt -Striker fired -Delayed blowback

@gohunt001-5 Год назад

even better on that last part: -LEVER delayed blowback

@jalpat2272 Год назад

@@smorrow its like bringing lambo in demo Derby.

@GameWorld-je8wl Год назад

Yeah, I saw a copy of it at the El Moudjahid museum by the way I suggest visiting it in Algier(Capital of Algerie) where you can find so many interesting weapons from 1830 to the present day.

@brucemiller8109 Год назад

I AM AMAZED AT THE QUALITY MACHINE WORK .... For a late 1943 weapon with Americans coming to your shores its super well made. BTW I LOVE the Beretta 38.

@george2113 Год назад

American military personnel fed the Italian civilians after their battles with the Germans

@HrothgarHeavenlight Год назад

I mean that was kinda a point that while Beretta's and other italian submachine guns were built very good. It was too good to be fair, that's kinda why Sten is so good while being mediocre gun.

@george2113 Год назад

@@HrothgarHeavenlight calling a Sten crap is excessive praise!

@dudududu1926 Год назад

I imagine they finished thier production run and about to shipped it when American came knocking on their factorys.

@harryspeakup8452 Год назад

This is by far my preferred secondary weapon in Sniper Elite 4. I was most disappointed to find out that it was so rare in real life

@fenderjazzface999 Год назад

Yes! What drew me to the FNAB was that it was so compact compared to the Thompson which I found very distracting to look at when carried on the back

@Bucketroo 6 месяцев назад

Oh yes! I was using the Thompson, but I checked the stats on the FNAB and I liked what I saw. It fires slower (let's face it, most guns fire slower than a Thompson! :D ), but seems to pack more of a punch. Since I can't have the FG-42, I'll settle for the FNAB.

@scipio10000 Год назад

Well there were persistent rumours that the italian state oil company ENI was funding and sending weapons to the Algerians looking forward to friendly relations post independence ... and ENI was run by a former partisan ;-)

@thedstorm8922 Год назад

Well they did got what they wanted

@oldesertguy9616 Год назад

Now that is one that I would love to take to the range. It's nice to see a real quality weapon during a time of "faster/cheaper/simpler" building.

@enriquekahn9405 Год назад

Ian is like "overcomplicated gun" and I'm just sitting here going "it's an early Italian MP5"

@daltongarrett7117 2 месяца назад

Kinda, but I think the mo5 is roller delayed and this is lever delayed.

@daltongarrett7117 2 месяца назад

Mp5 lol

@shadowtrooper262 Год назад

This weapon in Enlisted has pretty good damage and accuracy. I actually equipped most of my pilots with the FNAB-43 because it seemed like a suited gun for pilots on the ground. 🙃

@razordrive3238 Год назад

Wooo! Fellow enlisted player!

@e3dee0ut Год назад

yep it's pretty good in normandy, its better than mp40 i think

@ErikAdalbertvanNagel Год назад

you must be a new player, for a long time pilots didn't have parachute so the best idea was disarm your pilots completely :D

@razordrive3238 Год назад

@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel Says you! Back when there were no parachutes, there was also no penalty for bailing out of a plane moving at 300 mph and then immediately landing on a roof. I had a number of occasions where I successfully just flew low enough that when I jumped out I took minor fall damage and could whip out my smg.

@RMAGEDN740 Год назад

I'm here because I saw it in enlisted. Compact package (for the era), folding mag well, built in muzzle break and compensator, and a 40rd mag in 1942 is pretty cool. Instantly one of my fav subs from ww2.

@vadoksam9235 Год назад

Ive been watching alot of these videos for some while now. My fav guns are always from ww1 to ww2 by far. This is one of the most beautiful and coolest guns ive seen in my opinion. Expensive, lavish, lots of accessories, perfect Italian gun...

@ScholarVillainy9254 Год назад

Glad to see this weapon on display today, not a lot of sources cover it.

@jwseibert1059 Год назад

It's odd how such a well made,labor intensive, expensive SMG was made at this time in Italy. Talk about screwed up priorities. I like the looks and don't like the looks, perhaps a larger magazine would help.

@Rixoli Год назад

It's worth pointing out Italy was constantly in a state of material shortage. A good sum of Italy's small arms and even aircraft were considered on par or even some of the best concepts barring exceptions (Looking at you Breda 30), the problem was getting the materials to actually MAKE the weapons.

@franciscofranco5739 Год назад

Honestly, by the time the Italian Social Republic was established Mussolini and the remainder of the fascist loyalists already knew how things were going to end. There was a lot of weird things done towards the end of Republic which always made me wonder, “what was the point?”

@me.ne.frego. Год назад

It's not about priorities. Italians lacked big factories with gigantic presses and those type of things you need to manufacture hundreds of cheap stamped guns per day. Same reason why italian tanks keeped bolted and riveted hulls and turrets, they lacked the technology to make cast and welded armor.

@DiggingForFacts Год назад

@@me.ne.frego. This is probably where the FNAB-43 comes from. If the prototypes were made in 1942, it simply may have been a case of "Wouldn't have made the cut if not for the fact that the RSI needed anything it could get its hands on and this was all they could produce within reason at Brescia".

@neutronalchemist3241 Год назад

It works like that. In 1942 FNAB contacted the Army, shown the prototype and stated "we can make X samples of this gun per year at this price". The Army tested the gun, the price was acceptable, SMGs were needed, so "OK, start production". Since the price was right, the Army didn't care what the manufacturing technique was.

@sirpurrsalot6588 Год назад

If its supposed to be a fake German marking its quite bad since it would read Maschinen Pistole instead of Machine. If it would be a captured and remarked gun by the Wehrmacht it would have had a suffix (i) after the type designation for Italian. Most likely it would read MP M43 (i). So who ever try to fake the markings did a poor job.

@zhongxina5956 Год назад

i think the Italian gun dealers that sold these were more just worried about making the place of origin harder to identify rather then actually trying to frame it as being from a specific country, in fact the guns being ambiguois in origin would have the benefit of people investigating it having to check alot of countries rather then just the one they framed it as.

@user-cm6tj2he4b Год назад

Maschinenpistole is actually one word. Obviously bad research to fake it like this.

@clarkitothebaddito Год назад

🤌🤌🤌

@danschneider9921 Год назад

I remember seeing this in Terry Ganders "Weapons of the Third Reich" 25+ years ago and thought "that looks wierd" (still have the book btw) and never thought I'd get to see a detailed video of one. Why I love this channel

@jax3967 Год назад

I loved using this thing in Sniper Elite 4, such a fun gun to use!

@M.M.83-U Год назад

That's so nice. Great Video. Time to update the list of "last ditch" Italian smg, now we have: -To do: Scotti Om42, Armaguerra OG43/44, Isotta Fraschini and Variara -Done: Beretta 38/44, TZ 45 and FNAB 43

@MarcoMenozziPro Год назад

Armaguerra OG43/44 is nowhere to be found. Maybe a Swiss collector has one.

@M.M.83-U Год назад

@@MarcoMenozziPro proprio niente? Eppure, almeno del modello 43, sono (quasi) sicuro di aver visto delle foto postbelliche.

@MarcoMenozziPro Год назад

@@M.M.83-U Sì, ovunque le stesse foto del fantomatico collezionista svizzero.

@SHOT_GUNNER Год назад

When I hear an amazing historical firearm or any firearm for that matter has been deactivated it makes me sick. What a neat SMG, with a unique story.

@rob6850 Год назад

Some people have no appreciation for art.

@barrylinkiewich9688 Год назад

That looks like a well made gun, just watching the catches and locking lever for the magwell screams quality. While I'm sad the French deactivated it I'm even more glad that they didn't just toss it into a shredder.

@pauldonnelly7949 Год назад

quite a masterclass of machining + engineering, only the Italians eh? Interesting the trouble taken to obscure its true origin, a proper job, and a story all of its own. Thanks for yet another interesting vid.

@DETHMOKIL Год назад

Yeah, I can see the FLN requiring some of those features, especially that 20 round magazine. Very interesting history.

@calvingreene90 Год назад

Without knowing better I would have been willing to believe that was a mid war German gun. It looks like it was a nice peacetime build submachine gun. Shame it had to be deactivated.

@enricofesta1161 Год назад

FNAB was the manufacturer of the gun, but the designer was SOCIETÀ ANONIMA REVELLI MANIFATTURA ARMIGUERRA from Cremona.

@j.peters1222 Год назад

Finally! I was wondering when you would get around to this obscure sub machine gun

@MrThePsychologist Год назад

italians americans and the french surely know how to make a gun the ingenuity they put in a development of a product is unspeakable

@robviousobviously5757 Год назад

looks like a design exercise, more than a production gun

@ianbrisland1982 Год назад

fascinating gun! love to see these videos and its what I love about guns, the different genius ways in which they work. also nice to see a gun that has been well used with some history. Notice that its not clinically clean and still evidence of old gun powder etc.... Great video Ian. lovely to see!!!

@PenumbranWolf Год назад

It always hurts my heart a bit to see a deactivated gun.

@tomasl461 Год назад

I see a lot of comments about the deactivation. But consider this; deactivated gun in a collection or gun melted down in a steel mill. That is the reality in large parts of the world.

@chetmanley220 Год назад

Or, and bear with me here, it could be part of a museum collection without being butchered.

@Dapstart Год назад

>closed bolt >delayed blowback >strangely expensive for an smg This very much strikes me as some sort of spaghetti-western MP5 equivalent.

@Henkka0Bass Год назад

It's nice and gentle to tell us the Algerian history of this gun, as an Algerian subscribe i can only like that thank you sir

@loupiscanis9449 Год назад

Thank you , Ian . 🐺

@WaterMusic34 Год назад

Neat design, and interesting that so few were made. I like seeing these unique guns. This is my secondary weapon of choice in Sniper Elite 4 because you can hide around a corner and have a short, compact gun that doesn't poke out and give your position away. lol

@harryspeakup8452 Год назад

indeed. It also hits hard and the low rate of fire makes it extremely economical and controllable with effective single and double-taps

@eol6632 Год назад

Been waiting for this one, thanks Ian.

@seculartapes Год назад

I always assumed these were sort of late war, last ditch guns for Italy…. There is an impressive amount of machining going on here for a wartime smg.

@jaybee9269 Год назад

Never change, Ian. Never change.

@mattorama Год назад

One look at how rough this thing is and I thought this was going to be another Elbonian Army joke.

@krissteel4074 Год назад

Once its open, its a bit more obvious that this would have been a very expensive gun in terms of time to make it and overall complexity- for what it is anyway

@mattorama Год назад

@@krissteel4074 Yes, but very complicated... for no good reason.

@parrotraiser6541 Год назад

Somebody should tell the vandals who deactivate museum pieces by butchering them in that way that any semi- or full-auto weapon can be rendered as harmless as a plumbing fixture by removing one or two springs. Until they're refitted with springs of the correct size and tension, the piece can only be used as a blunt instrument.

@ElibabayevBextiyar Год назад

Finally fnab 43 video

@18robsmith Год назад

Very Italian engineering - beautifully executed and superbly intricate, and strange.

@ubernoob103 Год назад

I have waited for this since loving to use it in sniper elite 4.

@candidmoe8741 Год назад

This is the best show case of lever delayed action.

@warrenharrison9490 Год назад

Definitely an interesting action, though I'd imagine prone to extreme wear if metals were not properly treated.

@dracheusmomentus2033 Год назад

So literally the Italian PPS-43 hybridized with the MAT-49 Moment

@italianduded1161 Год назад

And it looks so COOL

@SamuraiAkechi Год назад

With Kiraly. MAT came later

@NachoBearYeah Год назад

Damn that's what I call a redemption arc for a gun

@TheBudgetOutdoorsman Год назад

Very interesting and nice looking piece of weponry. Good job as usualy chief 💪🏻

@MiguelWario05 Год назад

Today I found out that the FNAB-43 model in Enlisted is this exact same gun haha "Maschine-Pistole P.M. 43" markings and all, thanks Ian

@ilocosmetro Год назад

Another great start to the week

@AlexandruNicolin Год назад

It took surprisingly long for people to figure out they can make a perfectly fine 9 mm SMG with simple blowback, minimum machining and a few lengths of welded pipe or stampings.

@MxerEdits Год назад

I have been playing enlisted and was interested in this weapon.

@khalihaddi6093 Год назад

I’m from Algeria 🇩🇿 and proud and living in the United States 🇺🇸 FLN Had different weapons our favorite is the MAT-49 cool this it on forgotten weapons. Thanks

@ph43drus Год назад

Video started out and I actually said to the room "Oh boy another cheap Italian stamped metal open bolt toob gun." Boy was I wrong.

@warrenharrison9490 Год назад

😂

@simonjones6128 Год назад

Love all of your posts Ian Mccollem

@darthhodges Год назад

For reference 400 rounds a minute is SLOWER than Jerry Miculek shoots a double action revolver. His record is 8 rounds in 0.99 seconds which computes to just shy of 500 rounds a minute.

@jordangreenwade2931 Год назад

I first saw this gun in Enlisted it look absolutely beautiful 😍 !!

@Kaiser_Pineapple Год назад

Italians: "We made this over-engineered SMG in the middle of a world war." The rest of the world: "T00B!"

@heatshield Год назад

wow that's beautiful. There must be a working example somewhere.

@jasonz7788 Год назад

great work ian

@rumpstatefiasco Год назад

What a travesty to deactivate this beautiful weapon. I suppose whoever had possession of it wanted it to be in the same configuration as their intellect. May it some day fall into the gifted hands of a worthy gunsmith.

@TyTwoFly Год назад

This gun was in Sniper Elite 4 and I was wondering what it was.

@tylerwilliams6022 Год назад

That's the first time I came across this model as well. Quite fitting since it was Sniper Elite Italia.

@italianduded1161 Год назад

I wanted to take a nap… then I saw the notification…. Of one of the SMGs that I love the most and that I wanted Ian to make a vid about it since years… sooo goodbye nap 🇮🇹🇮🇹😍😍😍 FNAB 43!!! Pls can you do an Armaguerra 43 or other Armaguerra SMGs video too???

@Zorglub1966 Год назад

Same here!

@italianduded1161 Год назад

@@Zorglub1966 👈👈😎

@newpeupyoass Год назад

A delaying system AND a closed bolt? Look at money bags over here!

@BananaMan730 Год назад

Was just using this in Enlisted

@Zackt._io Год назад

same lmao

@SamuraiAkechi Год назад

Sniper Elite 4, best smg out there

@randywatson8347 Год назад

Love to see how the bolt assembly works.

@DDrew67 Год назад

I got a forgotten weapons tee shirt...at goodwill!

@wolfmann2023 Год назад

Did you pay .99 at the thrift shop?

@josegustavopena3844 Год назад

A very interesting video. Congrats!

@judgejimbobrowntown3214 Год назад

That’s an awsome rolling delay bolt

@fredazcarate4818 Год назад

Awesome 😎 video on the little known Italian sub machine gun.

@seanmalloy7249 Год назад

A significant fraction of the submachine guns that you've presented have straight magazines that are canted with their base forward of the mouth when inserted in the weapon. I have seen that some weapons firing rimmed ammunition have curved magazines to account for the rear of the ammunition being larger than the front, and some weapons firing rimless ammunition having curved magazines to allow for a larger magazine without extending too far below the weapon, and some pistols firing rimmed ammunition have mechanisms in the magazine to rotate the traveler as rounds are expended so that the feed pressure is aligned correctly, but is there a reason for a forward-canted straight magazine other than to get rimmed ammunition to line up properly for the action to feed into the chamber?

@kevlarandchrome Год назад

"Deactivated" or as we like to say in reality, ruined by vandals.

@murphy7801 Год назад

No not really, USA is pretty far from reality

@kevlarandchrome Год назад

@@murphy7801 Who said anything about the USA?

@jacobt1027 Год назад

@@murphy7801 What does the USA have to do with ruining a piece of history?

@steveclarke6257 Год назад

The deactivation process in this case is part of the artifacts history. I'm guessing that the options, in the mind of the french authority at the time, was either deactivation or destruction of a "terrorists/insurgent" weapon.

@Zorglub1966 Год назад

@@steveclarke6257 until few years conversion in semi auto only of any full auto firearm under 20mm was allowed in France

@Jugend88139 Год назад

Had the opportunity to disassemble one in France but also deactivated unfortunately...very well made for this time of war

@stefanosiclari Год назад

I must say, Ian's Italian was good on this one. Not correct, but good. I think he could very easily learn the pronunciation if he just took a few quick lessons

@clarkitothebaddito Год назад

🤌🤌🤌

@stevailo Год назад

I have no way to actually prove this, but another possible (or even likely) way these guns ended up in Algeria from Italy, besides gun smugglers, might be from ENI, the Italian national oil company, that is said to have supported the Algerian FLN in an attempt to extend its influence over the country’s oil deposits and extraction rights.

@giuseppe4909 Год назад

Always great content.

@bravo_cj Год назад

This thing is even more complicated than the MP5 to some degree

@pb1964 Год назад

2 or 3 of them were used in the Red Brigades attack to Aldo Moro... one jammed, as well as a Beretta PM12 and a TZ45 the other/s were in such a bad condition that didn't have any rifling remained... I can't get any picture of the fire selector revealing the actual semi auto rollings...in the full auto position it was "raffica" that literally means "rapid sequence"... I can make an educated guess though, it probably was "singolo" or "colpo singolo" that means single shot

@gavinhammond1778 Год назад

Even if there isn't a war on, that you're losing, this seems like a complicated design

@tonyking3125 Год назад

Dang, that's a neat looking little SMG.

@ClaudioBenassi Год назад

The bolt system is very interesting.

@XtreeM_FaiL Год назад

That folding mag well is as useful as a bayonet on a pistol. Maybe not as useful, but close.

@warrenharrison9490 Год назад

It's only saving grace would be storing it in a bag with a 30-40 round mag ready to go, making for a slender package.

@XtreeM_FaiL Год назад

@@warrenharrison9490 I was thinking more like carrying it under a raincoat.

@dreamingflurry2729 Год назад

They can't even fake properly! It's Maschinen-Pistole (so yeah an "N" is missing!) :D (Note: Actual, evil German here, so yeah I know what I am talking about :D ) Still, nice gun, thanks for showing it to us, Ian :)

@johnmcmillan5114 Год назад

my favourite smg from Enlisted

@mattsigl3211 Год назад

Don’t get me wrong the way guns work is cool but I always love the history behind these niche guns

@cse5975 Год назад

That is one overly complex bolt assembly.

@johnhughes1140 Год назад

Yes, the stock isnt great and it would be very expensive and that would be a big disadvantage in those days but, what a beautiful design. Itmust ve a pleasure to shoot

@user-js4vh2lw6n Год назад

The fact that such a firearm could be machined at the time this was new without using the modern processes we have today never ceases to amaze me.

@agentcrm Год назад

The difference between then an now, the number of machines used to create a part. Manual machines are set up to only do one or two cuts. Then the part gets moved to a different machine. With a CNC machine, it would be what ever needs to be done with that size cutter and without moving the part.

@jansenart0 Год назад

5:25 they did the same thing to my M16 in basic at Ft Leonard Wood. Milled out "auto" on an A1 lower and "BURST" was stamped in.

@kade_kam_dad Год назад

Love the vlogs. Been a fan since you had 200k subscribers. 💪🏽😁

@antiheldd.3081 Год назад

How is that front sight adjustable? With a grinder? :)

@clavididk1236 Год назад

"Im here on behalf of the blue sapphire" Thomas Shelby

@andreag108 Год назад

PM is also italian language (not french), it means Pistola Mitragliatrice (machine gun).

@BigBex Год назад

*Machine Pistol

@Fafouille75 Год назад

In french pistolet mitrailleurs

@Zorglub1966 Год назад

@@Fafouille75 sans S à la fin 😀

@Fafouille75 Год назад

@@Zorglub1966 😂😂

@MrTweagle Год назад

Hey Ian - how many countries have you been to since starting Forgotten Weapons? Ps Love your work 😀😃😄😁😆

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Год назад

Nice Introducing

@Nulrom Год назад

Brescia is the peak of gunsmithing in Italia. And the reason why it is are rooted in her soil. Seriously, you can really make a series of video about Brescia weaponry that start from... I guess bronze age? Yep.