Ps. I wish all the best to you all in these tough times 1. Tweeters are aluminum and magnesium. Not beryllium. 2. When I say efficiency, I really mean sensitivity Adorama: adorama.rfvk.net/adPGZ Focal Chora 826: adorama.rfvk.net/LkgdZ Disclaimer/ Personal interest in my reviews - Please read "About" section on Patreon.com/nbts
Beryllium is way too expensive to put in an affordable speaker anyway. It's ultra light, ultra rigid and does not resonate like other metals. By using Magnesium and aluminum, they approximate those properties. It is more rigid than aluminum, yet not resonant, and that's a BIG deal for metal drivers.
No Berilyium', I believe jay. Not even Aria line, higher lines do. It's Alumium/mag inverted tweeter with Poron which is on the surround they use this from the Berilyium tweeter. I'm not sure if the cabinet is veneer.
Am I right in saying you’re wrong about the tweeter material? The focal website states that they are beryllium Edit. Nvm I further read into this and it derives from the beryllium lol
Focal is known for the detail and open sound stage. I really love the so called “focal sound”. That’s very different of the muffled bassy sound of the some speakers.
I agree... and here are names *I* will name. Low end Dynaudio, NHT, SVS, ELAC do a good job, but "soft". on top by compare. This vocing is fine if that is your preference. Monitor audio, POLK, KEF ,B&W's and paradigm under $1000 speakers don't have it together. They are sloppy and have mediocre playback at best. (I'm not a klipsch fan, they are harsh and 2-dimesional to me) For detail on the higher end: Focal will equal anything B&W has, but more realistic and natural mids than B&W. My compare, B&W are sterile and lifeless in the mids, lacking tonality. If I had the cash, High end focal>anything.
Everything you said is what I experienced. I thought they were a bit light in the lower bass. I was upgrading from my focal chorus 806v bookshelves so wanted better bottom end. I went for Kanta 2 with qutest dac and musical fidelity m6si amp. I like my bass so have an svs sb4000. Keep up the good work 👍
Omg The Kanta 2 are l in a different PLANET, that is some upgrade from the 806v! Now you will have to upgrade your amp to match the Kanta! and on and on it goes.
Thank you for another excellent Review. The Triangle BOREA BR09 are in the same price bracket, would love you to review the Triangle BOREA BR09 sometime this year.
I just wanted to say you made a small mistake in the video. Only Kanta and up use the beryllium driver in the Focal line. Not that it doesn't work well also but the tweeter in the Chora line has a Aluminium/Magnesium inverted dome which is a little cheaper to make but still performs really well.
First time visitor to your channel. I'm a fan of Focal and own a pair of their bookshelves. The purpose of any loudspeaker is to accurately reproduce sound, which in our context is musical recordings. Focal speakers do an outstanding job at doing that but what one hears when they listen to them is sound reproduction they probably aren't used to. You clearly stated this truth which I never hear from other reviewers. Moreover, in times past, the goal was to reproduce the effect of a live performance which is anything but "warm." It was nice to listen to a genuine informed review for a change.
"accurately reproduce sound" that is not an accurate statement for any speakers using bassreflex. that choice is a compromise to get more bass and sell more units.
@Anthony Martino not a chance, their speakers are schizophrenic when it comes to their sound. They sound like 2 pairs of speakers coming at you at the same time. Terrible timing. Focal and Bowers excel with their timing and cohesiveness.
I just brought a pair few weeks ago, your reviews are spot on. This are my first Focal. I made a right choice, they're lively transparent full of details yet not bright at all, and they don't need toe in.
A quick tip after playing with placement. Ears should be exactly at tweeter height or in line with the tweeter' line of fire after taking into account the backward tilt and no toe in at all or just VERY slight if needed to anchor down center image. The most important thing is to get the ears on the same level, its crucial. Also, if you can, pull them out even though they have front ports, thats where the magic happens. And a couple of subs would greatly help too
@@AbsoluteFidelity Thank you for the tip! Sadly i find it a little bit too bright when my ears are in tweeter height :( i'm sitting a little bit below in my couch and find it more enjoyable. What do you think about the fact of pointing them outside to the room?
@@99boardwalk according to data, I would rather 'adjust' brightness by playing with horizontal axis than vertical axis. So ears have to be at tweeter height but you are free to toe in or toe out your speaker as much as you want without really affecting a change in tonality due to the wide dispersion characteristics of the Chora. As long as you can get a tight center image, you wont need to toe the speakers towards you. Is it possible for you to get a tight phantom center in your room with the speakers firing straight down the room? Its not possible for me to be at tweeter height with the slanted plinths, so I took it off. Works way better that way.
@@AbsoluteFidelity Thank you for the input! will experiment with it. Yeah, same, my couch is kind of really low and i'm not the tallest dude to begin with lol. Will have fun doing some tests with the horizontal axis.
Thanks for the review really interesting wondering how you would rate these versus your Tekton pendragons or perhaps versus the double impact please? On a different note any plans to review some of the more expensive Tekton speakers like , Moab or Encore - hardly any reviews of these and would hugely value the your opinion given your wide experience of audio gear. Keep up the good work - great channel .
I just got a pair of 816…what can i say…detail detail and layer of details. i used to think bright is detail and vice versa but now see my mistake. The details exceed what my ls50 can deliver. I used to aim for warm speakers like from old sonus faber lines to spare my ear from fatigue but now i see what i have been missing out all these years.
Yep! Appalachian Spring by Orpheus had me in tears yesterday...that is no bullshit! The 826 can do things that are beyond comprehension for $2k. The devil is in the details! :)
Time alignment seeks to align the acoustic centers of drivers relative to the listener. This is achieved by positioning smaller drivers further back then woofers which have recessed acoustic centers. The goal is to align wave fronts such that their arrival occurs simultaneously for tones which are multiples of each other. For example, at 10 K tone from the tweeter and a 1K tone from a midrange driver should present every 10th wave simultaneously to the listening position.
I was under the understanding that physically time aligning the speakers moves the tweeter and possibly the midrange drivers further back than the bass or lower frequency drivers. Sound frequencies don't move through air at the same speed whereas higher frequencies move faster than lower frequencies as you described with the width of their sine waves. The point is they all arrive to the ear simultaneously again as you mentioned. Crossovers can also achieve this and is usually the avenue of the speaker designers. When you use a crossover, the capacitor creates a delay in the waveform driving the tweeter. I bet the tweeter is hot which can slightly be ameliorated with physical time alignment.
Nice review, really! Do you think they are a huge upgrade from my Klipsch Rp-260f? I'll pair them (for the moment) with Marantz pm-6006.. Thank you all
Very nice content, thank you so much,I’d like to get your opinion, now I have chorus 716s, considering to upgrade, to be honest I’m missing lower range(bass), I would probably use the sub to compensate that, but my integrated amp NAD c526bee has only two channels, do you think I can get more bass after upgrade? unfortunately it’s not an option to rent 726 for listening Thanks What do you have in a corners and on a wall behind the speakers? what kind of acoustic panels?
I have them for 2 months now.... impressive speakers, I'm extremely satisfied with the choice i made... every day! Very nice video and the description you made can't be more accurate.
@@luvmybeemer I KNOW that REL are the best sub's made. I use the T7i, with a pair of Buchardt Audio S400's, not that they need any Bass help, but a CLEAN SUB has it's place even within the best system. Use one for a month, then tale it out of the system,,,,, it want take you long before your hooking it back up! I'm talking Hi-Fidelity 2 Channel Stereo, not HOME THEATER!
Not very easy to find a review of these speakers, thanks for it. How will you rate these 826s against Klipsch RP 8000F especially when paired with Naim Unity ATOM.
I still have these in my very large family room with a pair of REL T9x subs I switched to when these were made available. I don't find them bright at all but love the headphone like detail. I don't think ill ever let them go . I also have a Pair of Polk R700s I bought based on one of your reviews that I just orderd a pair of REL Classic 99s for . When I buy one of your reviewed items I find your description of what you hear to be accurate to that when I receive it . 👍
I found the Theva I just heard is different than these . I don’t think they are better but different . If they are better it’s a few percentage better if any . I’m quite happy with these Chora 826D . Thank you for showing these to me as I wasn’t very familiar with the brand other than knowing their name . ❤👍
I use a NAD c3050 and a Primare i25 prism, it sounds great, open and with lots of details. I used a subwoofer, which I think is unnecessary. just sounds great. 90db speaker, very wide soundstage, listen to a lot of jazz and soundtracks. Where Philips used to make perfect sound systems, this brand is quite comparable. affordable speaker boiler with a high-end feel. okay its best very large 105cm high, 38cm deep and 30.8 wide. if that's no problem, buy buy.
This is weird. This is the 1st time that I’ve come across your channel? 60k subscribers. Yet I’ve mainly come across: Zero Fidelity, Cheap audio man, Thomas, Audio philiac Sorry about the last 2 guys I’ve forgotten their full site names. Nevertheless this is the 1st time yours pops up. And your descriptions are great
Thanks for this Jay. I have been very curious about the Focal approach. I am into detail and am usually satisfied under 70db. I think this makes me a listener more consistent attributes making these Focal very successful in Korea. On the highs, I typically cannot hear up to 10k so these may be a very good match for me.
I’m a huge fan of Focal but I am not a fan of Naim at all. I feel name doesn’t deliver what everyone says it delivers. I had a few Naim products and have found superior products for less money. It’s not a financial issue it’s more of a quality issue for me. I feel like they have established a solid brand but no longer deliver what they once did. Perhaps it’s just to my ear but I have a lot of HiFi components and speakers but have found Naim to no longer deliver my expectations since around approx 2015.
Too bad Focal places themselves in the ubber "lifestyle" market in Asia and charges double for their shit here. Why do I need to pay double so they can afford their showroom in Gangnam (Seoul)? Move their asses to the Yongsan electronics market like everyone else. I had to use a freight forwarder to get my Massdrop Focal Elex headphones over here cause I wasn't going to pay double prices for their already pricey regular lines. I wonder if the 826s would fit into a suitcase lol.
Coming back here again I do find that they are revealing but I don’t find them as bright as other Focals . I don’t know if I’m completely correct in that statement from memory but it’s what I recall .
I have the aria 948s.. do you think same positioning with tilting aplys to them as well? And with tilted outwards the room, do you mean leand back, or do you mean to skip toe in?
Two years down the line and I am very pleased with these 826, they lost there irritating sharpness after 75 to 80 hrs when I Listen now I can and wind up the volume without that annoying feeling that its to loud and uncomfortable to listen Sad thing is they are cheaper now than when I bought them . Truly a bargain
After fiddling with these speakers I slowly evolved to your recommended placement toed out just a hair and can’t get over how different they sound . I really love these speakers especially after only paying clearance prices . 826 D double duty music / movies . Great channel
I'm close to getting these but I'm also considering the Wharfedale Evo 4.4. Given the price difference, do you think it would be worth it getting the Focals?
Thank you for reviewing the Focal Chora 826. You got me thinking of them. Initially I heard other speakers by them years ago and thought they were eh in the bass, but I see you have it with a REL so that'll be a good combo. I am just concerned about my amp. I have a Vintage Mitsubishi DAA15DC dual mono block amp and preamp. Would you have any suggestions about what speakers I can hook up to these? I want to make sure the speaker I get for them will have the best synergy on the first purchase. I want to avoid at all costs to having to return a purchase if it doesn't go with this amp. Note: I will eventually replace the preamp with either a Vincent Audio or Schiit Freya plus...Thanks
Hey, Jay. I just found your channel a couple weeks back. Great reviews. Based on your recommendations, I actually just purchased the Chora 826 along with the Billie amplifier. I know the chora lists a recommended minimum amplification of 40wpc and the Billie provides 60 into 8ohms. I guess I'm wondering, is that something I can trust? Is it possible that I will drive the Billie into clipping without knowing it? And if so, any guidance on how high I can turn the volume nob without having to worry about this?
Any thoughts on the ELAC AF15 Adante Towers ? there are literally no reviews & they're on sale, I know the store you work at has a lot of higher end speakers. Maybe you've heard them? Thanks for all your reviews, Like your channel a lot. Good stuff .
Hi Jay, I have exactly these speakers paired with a Marantz SR7013, how do you like it with the Dodge 10 and their preamp, if you have compared it? I am considering improving my amps...Thanks
I heard these speakers at TAF and they sounded very very similar to the Aria 936 I owned. When the music is mastered perfectly these speakers can be so gosh darn engaging and fun to listen to. But I didn't have the space and the room treatments, so they came off as very very bright at times, downright fatiguing. Even demoing these types of speakers with 20K of gear and room treatment they can come off as bright. I think being far enough from the speakers is key, the tweeter will lose some of its energy that way.
The main key is powering them with amps which round off leading edge harshness, like Marantz or T+A. Most amps don't do this and are hazardous with Focal.
A closer look at the bass and midrange drivers ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y4tkbQRcmKo.html Maybe someday someone will show the tweeter a bit more as well :)
How are they in comparison with Magnepans? I have a pair of .7’s on order but heard some vids of the Kanta No1’s and am super impressed with the detail and openness (Beryllium tweeters I’m assuming) etc. Those are a bit more than I want to spend though. I seemed to prefer the bookshelf’s over the towers etc.
Excellent description on the Focal 826 by Jay, having gone from MA RS8 Focal's are bright so as he says if you like heavy rock avoid, but the detail they present is fantastic. when playing loud rock you find yourself turning down the volume to a more presentable level. As I like rock music I do play at lower levels probably a good thing as I will have to live with them for now.I have them hooked up to a Yamaha N-R803D which I am very happy with and usually listen to Dab station or down load Apple Music
What would you see as the main separators between these and the aria series. I'm looking for mastering speakers. I currently have focal SHAPE twins and love them. I also have a friend with some chorus 714v .... are these better?
Hi Jay! Yours was the review that made me pull the trigger on the Focals... that said, one thing I didn't factor is was room acoustics - lots of exposed to wood, glass, etc. The result after adding a big rug, room correct is the top end being quite harsh at med - high volumes. Toe forward is deff better, still playing around but wanted to let you know!
Treat side wall, ceiling and floor 1st reflection points. Leave back wall and front wall untouched. According to data, there is a bump from 4khz - 10khz in the PIR (not on axis), so thick curtains will work great.
Beautiful and solid content ! Thanks for all your videos and great reviews ! ! ! I ordered these speakers to go with my Musical Fidelity system 🙃 Thanks 💙 Spotify is not good quality ... I encourage to younger generations to listen CD, SACD and Vinyls ... I only use Tidal Hi-Fi ...
Hi Jay love watching your videos. I totally agree with your opinion on Focal speakers. I have Focal Aria 906s paired with Reisong A12 with Tung Sol tubes. I love the detail and warm sound from Arias. Would be keen to hear the new Chora range after watching this. Thanks for your amazing work. Cheers mate 👍👍👍
Thanks for the wonderful video. I am setting up a home theatre room with 14 feet * 16 feet room. TV will be placed on the 16 feet wall. Should I use the 5.1 setup from Chora 816 or Chora 826 for this room? Please advise. I am okay to stretch my budget but my main goal is less fatigue while watching movies/tvseries. We should get a good theatre experience even on lower sounds. Your advice will be very helpful to me.
What would you say is better? The Polk Audio Reserve R700 or Focal Chora 826? Main use will be for movies, then partly music. I also have a subwoofer as well
I had the R700 and the 12.4 and I now own the 826. Hands down the 826 when it comes to detail retrieval, clarity, transparency, airiness, soundstage width, imaging within the soundscape, and speed, especially in the bass deparment. The only thing the R700 has over the 826 is deep bass and overall bass quantity. The mids on the R700 are warmer, but not clearer. The vocals on the 826 are more 3 dimensional as its takes a few steps forward towards you, vocals on the R700 is more inline with everything hence a more 2D-like experience. You can biamp the R700 but you cant with the 826.
Some people said focal sound bright and lean, because they matching them with wrong amp, speaker cables or even spike plate. for my experience focal(especially the 7, 8, 9 series)are better match with warm and soft sound amp(e.g: Rega, Cyrus or Musical Fidelity amp...), or try to use a hard wooden(e.g ebony wood)spike plate.
Hi Jay, great review! Very detailed, packed with tons of info and tremendously entertaining! I hit sub, pun intended lol. I tend to like British hi fi sound and love B&W 603 S2 anniversarys but chose these, only a smidge less resolute but much better balanced. Paired mine with Naim Nait, on cloud nine. Would be interesting to hear them with tube or hybrid amps.
Hello, Would you use a pair of ATC SCM100 ASLT (Active) speakers at home for Hifi? Are these suppose to be neutral speakers and what do they mean by a speaker been neutral. Thanks.
Tilting the speakers up or down (rake angle) is not time alignment. It changes the directivity/axis which affects how much on-axis or off-axis the sound is that hits your ears, depending on where your ear height is when you are in your listening position... If there's a factory tilt upwards this is most likely to correct for hotspotting and the fact that the tweeters may be perceived as too bright/harsh when focused more directly at the listener , or it could be the opposite if the speakers are shorter than typical towers/tweeter heights, or it could be a marketing gimmick all the same too... (either way, doesn't make them bad, I like Focal and I'm sure they're a great pair of speakers). The tilt may also help or worsen problems created from sound reflections in the room by changing the angle at which the sound frequencies will reflect back from the wall behind you. How perceivable this would be vs. measurable is up for debate and entirely dependent on the room size and shape, ceiling height, acoustic treatment if any, etc.
Tilting the speaker back increases the distance of the tweeter slightly (since they're at the top and MORE affected by the cant than the woofers closer to the plinth, so, the speed of sound being equal for high and low frequencies it DOES offer some time-alignment benefits.
100% agree. The high sensitivity rating very often confuses people, and a lot of people get no bass out out of it. Pump these speakers with a 300w @ 8 ohms amp and capable of handling a 2 ohm load, that will be perfect.
When are going to get the Willsenton amp review? You keep mentioning how great it is and I've been checking everyday to see if it's uploaded yet! Can't wait to get your full opinion. Thanks.
Hi Jay, I saw you at the threeview of Hegel vs Naim entry level integrades. I have predecessor of Chora and I had been finding their placment for two years due to my room and Focal unique signiture. Focal's are bright when: 1. they are put too close to each other, 2. when listener is not far away from them - they aren't for nearfield listening, 3. when the are put on spikes on wooden floor - softfloor. They cast the image in front but not in you face. The hugely benefit if there is nothing between them - e.g. tv. My Choruses are great with Naim and I imagine that Chora would be even better but I will wait for successor of Aria range to compare...
@The Next Best Thing Studio Hi! Excellent detailed review. How do you find the finishing of these speakers, specially at the corners as those seems very sharp and not rounded. Is the front glossy surface prone to scratches easily ? Is it possible fro you to review the Fyne Audio F501 or F502 speakers ? Thanks much.
Hey Jay, Thanks for the review. I'm considering the 926's from your old stomping ground. What's your opinion in how these compare to the SF Sonnetto V's?
Best review for me because is explaining what I was looking for - listening to low volume, quality of sound at low volume. Now I understand why Focal Chora 826 D Speakers are part of kit with surround that comes with central speaker as well as subwoffer which compensate for the lower frequencies.
I just got my new black set, these speakers are fantastic. I’m running a Marantz 7015 but upgrading to an amp very soon. I Listen to live jazz , it’s is unbelievable, I sold my B&W 603s and center which were nice but don’t compare. A sub is a must.. not that it’s bad but I’m running dual SVS SB3000... talk about loud bone rattling awesome and detailed !! I plugged in Avengers 4K movie to test theater mode and was blown away.. very detailed, tweeters make a difference, i’m running 4 SVS height speakers for Atmos , so glad I did it, your missing another dimension if you don’t go with it .. The funny thing.. I haven’t even tuned my system yet.. it only gets better. I only had speakers for 3 days. If your on the fence.. buy them. I believe these are the best for your money in that 2k arena.. oh’ I got the center channel too.. 3k , lol the center is unbelievable as well sounds great and is big ! These speakers are hand made from France and the quality shows leaps and bounds. Well worth the 4 week wait .
Thanks Dave. I'm a 2 channel audio guy but am worried by the supposed "brightness" associated with the 826s. I have a fairly neutral integrated hybrid amp (Rogue Sphinx V3) with a tube preamp, so its just a matter of the synergy between the Rogue and the Focals. I might have to take my Rogue to the store to audition these. Cheers.
You seem not to have any idea what "soundstage" defines in a home einvironment.... or imaging.....nothing any electronic connected to speakers can "produce". There is the recording and the speakerroom interaction....The speakers are nice though. Focal can produce to that prices. Made in France; you should once visit their factory in Saint Etienne impressive....
How would these pair with Rega Brio-R (pre current 2017 version). I currently have MA Monitor 200’s (orange cone) and they are really good for the money but would like to upgrade. Also looking at MA Silver 300. I love the look on the Focal’s. And front porting helps in our room. Cheers
Hi great video really informative. I have a few quick questions you might be able to help. I have a set of Harbeth 30.1 with Hegel 390 integrated and I really like but I was thinking to get a set of floor standers with a different sound signature to Harbeth. I had a set of LS50 before Harbeth which I really liked and for electronic music I like better than the Harbeth.My room set up is not great with speaker backed up to walls but I'm moving so will have a listening area of roughly 30m2 and should be able to get speakers away from the walls. How would the Focal compare to the Kef line up or the Audio Physics line up for instance, so many options. I just want to get something to complement the warm lush sound of the Harbeth , something more detailed etc. How fussy are the Focal in room set up I might put some money into treatment also to get the most out of them. I also watched your magnispan review and these look really great too. Thanks Sean
I recently auditioned b&w 704, run by a much lesser amp than yours, the arcam sa10. And it was quite amazing. Just saying... similar price to these. Probably less bass? I dunno