@@ab-hs3ou Or maybe not guilty. The UK has had hundreds of miscarriages of justice. Nothing found in any autopsies, a solitary eye witness account of her not doing something and not once seen doing anything harmful, and no motive. Not the most convincing case ever presented to court, hence all the doubters.
I heard they are still on strike as their demands for 35% pay increase hasn't been met yet and until then there won't be any health care that you've already paid for
It often takes alot longer to release all these things here in the uk. The legal system is different. There’s more red tape when it comes down to what can be considered releasing into public knowledge and when.
I miscarried a baby in 2020. I was 17 weeks and till date I cry over what could have been and miss him so much. Sometimes grief takes over and I become numb and sadness sets in for days. Can you imagine how these mothers feel? Their babies were murdered and taken away. Brothers snatched away from sisters (Twin A you killed)! You didn't just murder 7 babies. But 7 families! I'm so sorry to all the mamas who lost their precious babies. My heart cries with yours.
I’m very sorry for your loss. But what the devil meant for bad God has made for good. I’m sure your experience has made you very understanding and compassionate and somewhat stronger. And just know this is a FACT. That when you pass or when the end time comes here. Your baby is going to be the first person you meet and you are going to have ETERNITY with your baby. When you get to heaven, you’re gonna have your very own cherub .🙏 It’s going to be interesting for you to find out. Is your baby still going to still small? Or will your baby appear to you as an older person? It’s going to be interesting to see. But just remember when you’re crying. Don’t cry too much because YOU ARE GOING TO SEE YOUR CHILD ONE DAY SOON AND SPEND ETERNITY IN BEAUTIFUL HEAVEN TOGETHER!!!!. God bless you my friend. 🙏💕🙏
@@MissMiMiMilton that is absolutely beautiful! Makes me feel so lucky. We believe this too. I await to see my beloved baby. Thank you. God bless you ❤️
Not just the mothers also the fathers. Just because it was the mother's who carried the baby doesn't mean it has not affected the fathers aswell mentally, physically and emotionally dads have feelings to you know.
I Am so sorry. Let him be happy now in paradise. Stop being upset for so long to such extent it is not healthy. He is happy and you be happy. Just send your love to him. May Allah make it very easy for you and make you happy and to be united in the faaaar future with him hereafter Âmîn
The problem here is the person who has put the words into this video, it's these people inciting violent reaction, and the idiots who think this is a genuine video, who are actually the problem with abuse on children. Have you not even the common sense, it's not that you have been fooled, it's the fact that you want to be fooled, to feed your inner most desires.
I see it as quite the opposite, she looks as guilty as a puppy sat next to a pile of p.o! I hope it didn't take the police 6 months before noticing her guilty demeanour 🙏
Great point! Because we see her partying looking every but quiet. There are plenty of comparisons of innocent and guilty interviews. The innocent person wants to help, to find out what’s happened. The guilty person is so busy dealing with their internal monologue that their speech is slow and deliberate.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k nobody is insinuating anything, just saying an investigation is ongoing as to why the other staff didn't act sooner to prevent further deaths.
I understand MANY folks in the UK believe she is innocent and has been scapegoated by management. I am a retired nurse, I cannot imagine being approached like this. I hope the truth comes out. They had no "witnesses" to her doing any actual act that caused these deaths. It is worth noting that an audit of the unit described it as "chaotic"...
@@oldcrow4301yes, several postmortems were carried out and the cause of some of the deaths e.g. Baby O, was attributed to deliberate trauma, before the police got involved. The Dr who did the autopsy on Baby O said the child looked like he was attacked, due to the presence of a large bruise on his liver. When his heart stopped, doctors did CPR for 30 minutes, but he believes the damage to the liver wasn't due to the CPR. They also looked for signs of infection, a severe infection called NEC, which can cause severe bowel infection and gas accumulation, but ruled that out. Basically, babies were unexpectedly dying, including some who were close to discharge and were being bottle fed, they couldn't explain why apparently healthy babies were dying, and they grew more suspicious when the autopsies came back negative for infection or a clear cause, and indeed, one at least showed signs of trauma. There's also claims she falsified her own notes to make it seem healthy babies were ill, other notes showed doctors saw the babies were healthy or the examination she claimed happened, didn't actually occur. For example, with Baby I, there was a doctors round in the morning that found babie I was healthy, but at 15.00 Letby, after Letby fed the baby by tube (he was bottle fed in the morning) wrote in her notes that Baby I was unwell and several doctors examined him, and the notes records they told her to increase his level of care, to feed him by tube. However, there's no record that doctors examined him at 15.00. The prosecution claim she faked notes to make it seem he was sick, so that when she later attacked them, it would look like it was related to an illness.
Crucial moment in the interview. The interrogator gives Letby an opportunity to express sadness, distress, ANY emotion in response to the deaths. And Letby's reply is ice cold: "As a team, we noticed a rise compared to previous years." She talked about dead babies like the number of Mars bars in the hospital vending machines.
@@bdan19921 Medical professionals are trained to control their emotions. Lucy Letby exhibited a pathological inability to express her emotions. BIG difference.
Wow I just noticed that. Good eye. It’s the lack of emotion at a question that’s accusing you of having been responsible and she replied in a normal tone. I’d be upset, screaming, crying, panicking, probably hyperventilating but Lucy, nothing!!
Because the trial and sentencing has only finished. She had to have been found guilty first. Now no doubt they will definitely go after those ignorant bastards who could have stopped this far earlier.
She deserves nothing but life for each child!!! I can't imagine my baby was in her hands. What a sick individual. I can't even comprehend calling her a human
@@miacat1727how on earth can you say that. Lucy wrote in her own words she was evil & she "did this". She was caught red handed by one of the mothers immediately after she injected her child. The one child who survived has beeb left with life affecting injuries. The other children denied life found with insulin in their blood. The staff around her who refused to investigate what was going on were clearly in denial & complicit in covering up her crimes, which constitutes misconduct & unprofessional behaviour. It's been suggested her motive was due to her obsession with a married doctor who would attend the ward every time there was an emergency. She thrived on the drama & attention the babies got, & inevitably she also got, whenever there was an emergency. The doctor involved clearly had to be questioned also as to why he didn't put 2 & 2 together earlier.
Nobody knows how they would react under that sort of pressure when your on the verge of being charged of multiple babies murders, guilty or not guilty at that point. Nobody can make that judgement.
I've been interrogated by the police many times and I can tell you that unless you have the skills, experience and aptitude to go through this, there will be many people who will either say something incriminating about themselves, if not confess to something they didn't do. I have been presented with a false confession to sign even though a crime hadn't been committed.
Perhaps it's because she has endured being accused & suspected of murder, since 2015, her emotions are drained, she cannot defend an entire set up against her.
@@Release-the-resistanceno, she did it. You should have followed the court case IN DETAIL. Falsifying medical records, the only person on shift for every single death and unexplained collapse. Initially it was on nightshift, they moved her to dayshift and the deaths started on days and no longer on nights. The psychopath told one set of parents who held their dying baby (who was STILL ALIVE), ok ypu have said your goodbyes time to put the baby in the basket which is used for DEAD babies. Ffs she's deplorable
Not really. I can't think of a better field / profession to pick if you want to kill people and get away with it. A vulnerable client base, intimate knowledge of the human body and free access to all the tools you need. 😢
I'm guessing most Doctors and nurses who kill won't show the classic dark triad behaviours. Most people want someone to lash out at when they're stressed or angry, and these people are surrounded by the most vulnerable members of society. I think she did it because she could. She was fixated on the parents. She couldn't hold a relationship together in her own life, and she was attacking families.
surely it would be more weird, if she was uniquely destincted as a one of. The fact that she not in a minority and we have other case references means there's a commonality to which we can attribute this to of people (angels of death) like her.
Yet one police officer kills someone (not while working) and thats it, the public say you can't trust any police officer they're all the same, but Doctors and nurses go on strike for more money and the public support them, how many more Shipmans, Allitts and Letbys are there out there? But the public just seem to insist that its the police, the very people that bring these doctors and nurses to justice, that are the ones you can't trust.
That does not do justice at all, especially for those poor families! A sharia court will end her life and bring true justice. Then in the afterlife she will be punished forever for that hideous evil crime!
It's staggering to think that someone in a protective role can act so malevolently. My thoughts are with the victimized families, hoping this resolution brings some peace. 🙏 - "Life is a train with no return journey. From a small bed when we were born to a small box when we leave the world, we can take nothing away. What we enjoy is just a process. In this process, nothing can be kept. Therefore, we must learn to overcome troubles and abandon attachments. In this world, we need to be enlightened from the heart, to change ourselves, to see through quickly, and to be enlightened. Many people can't let go of their attachments throughout their lives: "This is mine, that's mine." In the end, there is nothing left. To overcome your own desires, you will not regret tomorrow." - Guan Yin Citta Dharma Door Master Lu
How can you be so certain that she acted malevolently, other than the jury convicting her so? Does her life and character come across as having a continuous expression of malevolence? Where in her life had she expressed malevolence before this case? The answer is never. In fact the opposite. So that raises the question, why now? Why did she suddenly turn into Dr Evil in 2015 do you think?
The managers and nursing staff like the nurse in charge knew and covered it up .When will you arrest and charge them probably never as on a daily shift any incident of deaths or patients neglect is covered up.
Doubt she was a scapegoat as many hospitals are audited as having high death rates out of 162 that were audited in 2015 Chester was one of 21 flagged they’re not all blaming people for murder
@@sandragoss62yeah she didn’t express innocence really even in court she stuck to sentence or one word answers but that’s not the most important factor that determines innocence either
@@sunnymitra6372 look through other videos, the police searched her house when they arrested her. She had hundreds of patient files. She wrote on postit notes the words “I did this” and “I am evil”.
the NHS has been getting away with negligence and poor care for years. What about all the people who were killed during covid 19? don’t know why these lot were clapped, they should be held accountable!
you have to admit its a strange fit to her and to be accused and found guilty of all of this, as it doesn't look like it it fits to me. at first glance..... yet evidence,, etc..just totally bizarre occurrences... . dreadful dreadful story.
They put her on a desk when consultants complained about her, then she put in a grievance, and the consultants had to apologise to her. They ultimately went to police themselves as management where useless.
I’m glad you mentioned that, there are very few people making themselves extremely wealthy from the NHS, you can safely say, they look after their self. Do people not ask themselves do they never use that power, to manipulate the outcome to excuse their guilt, more often than not they do.
@@Nobodyknows172 do you trust society to handle the death penalty with sensibility? Look at cancel culture we can’t even decide if someone should keep their job or not and you want to trust society with life and death? Undeserved people would end up getting sentenced to death based on offending someone. It’s best we just not have that law for the greater good. 😅
I worked in Chester A&E as locum doctor for one day and found it antiquated and inefficient, despite computer use( or mainly because of it, slowing work down ).
Hope you can answer a question for me. One of the key pieces of evidence used against Lucy Letby is the allegation she falsified her notes. For example, the prosecution claim she recorded doctors examining sick babies but the exams never occured; it seems they claim this because doctors didn't record these exams in their own notes. The prosecution claim Letby added these false records to avoid suspicion when babies suddenly crashed after she attacked them, making it seem like their illness wasn't sudden, acute, but a gradual decline. This, for example, happened with Baby I. Lucy Letby recorded in her notes that doctors examined Baby I at 3pm, after he vomited, developed a rash and a distended abdomen. However, there's no doctor's record of this exam, so the prosecution claim the exam never happened. Also, the baby was well and bottle fed in the morning, he was seen by doctors that during the their morning round at 11am. Doctors' notes record the baby appeared fine, and he had a normal bowl movement after he was bottle fed. They didn't recommend a nasogastric tube. However, Letby recored in her note at 1.36pm that she fed the baby by nasogastric tube, likely between 1.00-1.30 pm, longer than it should have taken. She also said she was told to elevate the baby's level of care (but the baby was bottle fed and appeared well during a daily doctor's round that morning). Well, this depends on the accuracy of the doctor's notes. The prosecution furthermore claim she falsified her 3pm note to make it like seem Baby I was ill before she attacked him later that evening; he survived, this time (the prosecution claim she attacked him 3 more times, he died after the final attack, via overfeeding and/or forcing air into his stomach via nasalgastric tube). However, how diligent was note and record taking at Chester? If a doctor or doctors were unexpectedly called to attend to a an ill baby because they suddenly crashed or desaturated, might they forget to record this in their notes? So the only record of the exam ends up in Letby's note? Essentially, maybe Lucy Letby is guilty of being a diligent note taker? Also, an autopsy on Baby I ruled out infection, no sign of e.g. NEC, via histopathology. They didn't understand what happened to the baby, only that his diaphragm was torn (by inflating his stomach?) and he had gas in his bloodstream and bowels (NEC can result gas lining the intestines and sometimes extending to the veins of the liver). Personaly, I'm undecided if she's guilty or not. I don't yet know enough about the case, so your input would be helpful.
@Diamonddavej as retired med doctor I can assure you that in any clinical scenario there is a multitude of clinical evidence , notes by staff, observation records( temperature, basics, oxygen saturation, pressures of various equipments measuring all sorts), so one set of notes is not enough. Any investigation will look at all info available and connect all and see which info links up to others and which stand out as impossible. Shame that no cctv was installed.
If she wanted a lawyer she would ask for one… may she get the same treatment she gave the innocent babies x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
@@rolandszadai1522 That won't help. You can only figure out depression or mental illnesses through these tests, but not psychopathy. Any serial killers like her would be able to pass them easily.
She went undetected because she was an absolutely normal young woman, no routine psychological testing would have shown anything unusual, certainly not that she was likely a murderer. Even now (and I’m sure there’s been plenty of testing) nobody can seem to find anything to say about her other than she was quiet and perhaps a little dull!
i find it incredible how her character & the way friends describe her & this is totally out of character for her supposedly. She dies come across very innocent & angelic, she puts on a good cover. I think i see it more as low vibration guilt or satisfaction rather than sadness for the babies as shes portraying
A ‘scapegoat’ is someone who is blamed for the wrongdoings of others. Are you actually suggesting that she did nothing wrong and somebody else killed these babies and pinned it in her? Seriously?
Welcome to the world of psychopathy. They're incredibly manipulative and work hard at disguising their offences. They're also more common than you'd expect, it's just that most of them are smart enough to not kill. They don't want to be locked up, because then they can't keep on roaming around freely abusing power over others.
The calmness is scary though. People that talk slowly like that are always to be feared, they think it through whatever they say. You difficultly can get a glimpse of them, need to watch them for longer time than spontaneous people that are open books
Unlike those stupid Hollywood movies that portray anti social/mentally ill people as evil, most serial kllers and criminals are as average as it can get (extroverted, outgoing, well respected members of society). They're hidden in plain sight.
that’s so scary but so true, she’s can’t be the only one in the world like this. unfortunately definitely more like her. just hope they get caught too.
@@richardmullins44 you don’t need to be rude to me. You don’t even know me. You’re getting angry with a stranger and calling them sick because they agree with a jury?
Too much not being talked about in this case, and a big push to look at it again, the justice system is broken and flawed she deserves an appeal based from the evidence
@@Release-the-resistance So that would require absolutely everyone else, including the doctors, police and jury being ok with pinning it on a whistleblower and thinking her spending the rest of her life in prison is ok? How likely is it that only the murderer isn't lying?
Hello lenny. "Sonia poulton" has spoken about this case, twice. One programme guest was a statistician. Ive heard she was saving up to buy a home, so she was doing lots of overtime. Ive heard about the well publicised note. It had the words "they say". Those words not made public by the mainstream media. Words suggesting she did it, were published.@lennymice2261
@@IanConcannon It's ok. I managed to see it. Yes, Richard Gill is who Sonia is interviewing. I'm familiar with him. I saw a 2 hour video of him giving a PowerPoint presentation on the case. I'm not impressed. It's full of errors. He's rather silly. I think it might be due to him having a confirmation bias, because he helped free Lucia de Berk. And he seems to see Lucia whenever he looks at Lucy, so he's looking at everything through that lens, and it's leading him to be intellectually dishonest. He is right that she was saving up for a house. As a sidenote here, she finished saving and then bought that house in March 2016. And that house just so happened to be located on the perimeter of the local cemetery. And not just anywhere along the perimeter, but at the exact spot where the baby memorial section of that cemetery is. Where her back garden ends, the baby memorial begins. That's quite the coincidence that someone who is accused of killing babies, and of stalking their parents on Facebook because she gets a thrill from watching them grieve, just happens to buy a house right next to where a lot of those very same babies would be buried, and where the parents would visit and grieve, and someone who lived at that house would have easy access to stalking them in person and getting a thrill from watching them grieve, if they wished to do so. But anyway, back to the house. Yes, Richard is correct that she was saving for a house and doing extra shifts. It's not relevant though. Her presence was presented to the court as a process of elimination of potential suspects for crimes that have taken place. Here are crimes that have been committed. And here are the people that had the opportunity to commit those crimes, because they were there at the time. And Lucy is the only one. The reason she was on those specific shifts doesn't matter. If the police find a dead body in an empty building, and they watch CCTV of two people (one being the dead person) going into that empty building and only the other person coming back out again, then it doesn't matter why the person went in there. They might say that they cut through that building every day as a short cut to getting to work. And the police could check their work schedule against the timing of them entering the building, and say yes, you went through that building minutes before arriving at work on that day. And they could check the CCTV of previous days and confirm that they are telling the truth that this is their daily habit. But how does any of that change anything? If the dead person has in fact been murdered, then this person is the only one who could have murdered them. Why they were there doesn't matter in the slightest. It's simply not true that the note says "they say". The image is available online. Look for yourself. It might be on a different note to the famous one (there were a few that were found in her home during the police raid), but I can't find that phrase on the others either, so I have no idea where Richard is getting that from. It is true that the media focused on phrases that made her sound guilty though. They generally omitted statements that seemed to contradict them, like "I haven't done anything wrong". So I do agree that not much can be made of the notes. Deciding whether or not she's guilty should be found elsewhere. And I think they did more than enough to demonstrate her guilt.
You have no idea how long she had been sitting in that room being interrogated. She was arrested three separate times and interviewed over a period of six years. Do you want her to be crying over every dead baby every time she didn’t interview.? She would have been interviewed for hundreds and hundreds of hours, and according to you because she’s not crying about dead babies she has no emotion 🤪 well, Joanne you seem to have no intelligence
@@KBB-nf1dr To be honest if I even hurt a child I would be so upset let alone kill an innocent little baby she has no Emotion! She is pure Evil!! So you are the one who is not very Intelligent 🤣
Very perceptive. She's been analyzed by professionals and fits the criteria for covert narcissism with aspd traits. Covert narcissists are similar in their patterns. Chris watts is another famous example.
@@Alex-bb9lc Letby is about as similar to Chris Watts as my little finger. Watts was an entirely selfish individual. Look at Letby's full life and then say she was selfish.
Every time I see that interview my skin crawls and red flags pop up everywhere. I've watched shows of killers being interrogated and never have I been so creeped out and to be honest as a 40-year-old man she scared me
Man the way the media in the UK still tried to paint her as a “good person” even after knowing she KILLED 7 BABIES and attempted to kill 6 more. I guess she has the skin for protection 🙄. But happy the judge saw that she never sees freedom again! May those innocent souls haunt her forever and she never finds peace.
Attempted to kill 10 more … but likely to have actually killed more (police are investigating old deaths that were not investigated during this trial.)
I don't understand why there was no CCTV in the wards where Letby worked,or at least another nurse with her Not because they had suspicions about her,but it happened anyway
There was CCTV covering the entrances to the neonatal ICU, they didn't think of turning them into monitor the inside of the ICU, as they naturally assumed the threat would be external (about 30 years ago, maternity hospitals increased security, after several cases where weirdo women, desperate to be mothers, stole babies from maternity hospitals). Now they have to contend with killer nurses.
I am still very unsure of this verdict. How can a jury of every day people understand medical terminology & no medical “experts” will testify for the defence due to fear of repercussions from the doctors union? Something just doesn’t feel right to me 🥸
That's what I was thinking too. And the police don't have this specialist knowledge to make an investigation, they can only go by information given to them by the same people that are putting her in the frame; They know the answers because they wrote the questions.
The management protected her. They're the reason that it took so long for the police to become involved. If they had gotten their way, it wouldn't have happened at all.
why would such a beautiful young woman with an amazing life ahead of her kill babies? I think if she had a successful relationship and children of her own she never would have killed these infants.
It’s really really hard to take in that she’s done this. All slim blonde & pretty with a nice smile. You would never imagine she was a baby serial killer. She’s also completely destroyed her own life as well.
@@MrAug80 I said the same thing. It's baffling to us as humans as we have an expectation that evil looks a certain way and is scary and ugly but the devil hides in those that look normal and unthreatening and even pretty and innocent looking. It's crazy.
With Hd cameras in 2023, I do Kinda wonder why these police Tapes have such shite audio and film quality, especially if used in court, you’d think they’d want everything to be clear and concise when showing evidence to a courtroom/jury.
The police don't have the specialist knowledge to investigate this themselves. They must rely on the evidence of the same people that have put her in the frame in the first place. The hospital/medical profession is effectively investigating themselves. They know the answers because they wrote the questions.
I find it awful to think that the parents and extended families of those babies will be paying out of their taxes for her welfare in jail for the rest of her life. I hope all the other prisoners make sure she never gets a day of peace til the day she dies, as the families of these babies will never really know peace again due to her horrendous crimes.
The babies plot of chester crematorium and cemetery is directly behind her house aswell, so close she could watch internments there from her bedroom window. Beyond Evil.
Hospital management is full of nurses turned managers to avoid hard work. Middle level operational management is wall to wall ex-nurses. Of course they hate the consultants, of course they want to protect and cover up for nurses in the hospital. How do I know? I had a bruising time as an NHS consultant trying to call out nurse idleness, incompetence and reckless safety failures. I'm an ex-consultant now.
If the nhs is anything to go by then I’d not be surprised if this is a cover up through bad management. My mother works in the nhs and the stories I could tell you about what goes on would shock yous. Probably one of the most corrupt businesses.
Never forget what they did to Amin Abdullah, a Malaysian nurse who was unfairly dismissed, struck off, got depressed after they took his livelihood from him, therefore he killed himself by setting himself on fire. The reason why he got struck off? Workplace gossip. He was only trying to defend his colleague. But that colleague didn't even stand up for him. It was unfair what they did to him! If Lucy Letby was a foreign nurse, she would have been struck off long before she killed more babies! They pass their judgment easily on you if you're a foreigner. Heck, they didn't even listen to the doctor who reported her. If the doctor was white British, they would've listened to him! But instead they forced him to apologize to her! It's sickening!
Lol give me a break it was unfair judgement in their part but nothing to do with that, white people now literally can’t dismiss any non white person even if it’s legitimate in fear of being called racist
This is a very strange case.ive seen similar cases where innocent people have been convicted of crimes they haven't committed then they were acquitted some time later because the so called expert witnesses at there original trial turned out not so reliable an not so much of an expert.there is something very fishy about this case.
