For Honor - Ocelotl NERFS - Hotfix Patch removes GANKS 

I don't know if ocelotls bash got nerfed i watched kenzo today and he was doing the bash it was doing damage so i don't know if this video is true

Ocelotl went from "ganker & disabler" to "disabled"

Man i wish his hunter stance had an actual kit to it and not just an after thought leap attack.

Why is he labeled as a "ganker" if they are just gonna nerf his gank ability to be like everyone else? Very interesting ubisoft

Thank you daddy freeze for forming my opinion on this patch for me 🙏

The pin removal is good but they really should've compensated it for something. A 300+500 bash that just confirms 9 damage and doesnt even chain on whiff is just awful

The nerf to the opener bash is kindof disappointing considering how it messes with his finisher bash mixup. However, the extra trajectory on his light openers has the added benefit that feinting into a light attack is less likely to whiff on a dodging opponent, which is nice.

its a shame that he lost direct damage from the bash, but having an effectively instant pin move from neutral removed is better for the health of the gameplay, being able to play while outnumbered is better than watching a gank cutscene because you loaded into ANY DOM game rn

Very surprised they nerfed this so quickly while Medjay is still externally hitting the entire room for 34 damage, the last patch also nerfed Nuxia zone back down to 28 so what gives with Medjay. I was thinking Ocelotl would be OP if his ganks ever got popular, now he may just stay another strong A tier character that is good but lacking a bit in some way compared to the blessed few.

I am so glad Freeze is here to tell me how to feel. Makes me seem like a real human.

He just needed some minor adjustments not a full on nerf

Thank god for freeze otherwise I wouldn't be able to have an opinion.

Do you think that maybe the pin might be better coming from his hunt stance?

I was so excited to have a direct damage bash from neutral for once, thought it was such a fresh idea and was really looking forward to playing the hero once he came out for steel. This sucks.

Should there ever be another CCU update, it should be an update to the rules of pins and hitstuns. Everything as of late with the outlanders has shown just how flawed the rules are and that there are too many exceptions. This should be changed.

This hotfix kind shows that they might need to reconfigure how hitstun in general works, especially with direct damage bashes and also the fact that it resets hitstun

Cool that they nerfed his gank, I was really getting frustrated by how easily a couple of Ocelotl's could pick someone apart by just bashing away... Buuut they didn't really compensate by giving him any other interesting traits, so I'm really struggling to think of a reason to play him now besides the fashion. Guess I'm just gonna have to wait for that day to come, (assuming it ever does come)

I don’t think he’s a bad character but I actually feel like some unneeded nerfs are coming. I felt different when I played against pirate and afeera which I do play pirate and agreed she was broken on launch

Wow, a perfectly balanced character out the gate gets nerfed, these devs aren't making any sense anymore.

My opinion on this change is that baldurs gate 3 is out

Out of all heros to be recently released in the outlanders, I enjoyed fighting and playing as him. Too bad ubi hands nerfs out left and right.

I always thought it felt weird with the bash animation hitting with the butt of the weapon (I naturally want to light after it anyways)

Was there not a way for them to keep his bashes the same but remove the pin and hitstun-reset properties? That seems like the obv fix if it was possible.

I didn’t even realize he got changed, I was playing a duel and was so damn confused when I did the bash and watched as it did zero damage

Meh, that is pretty boring but I guess that is healthier for the game ? Busted ganks are annoying but maybe they could have just lowered his bash damage and make them feed more revange, instead of making them just flat out less useful

Ubisoft is already nerfing him lol. He was super mid

Thanks for telling me what to think, Freeze. My think muscle hurts a lot when I try to do it myself.

Was that nerf needed? Honest question. I have not played FH ina bit

Bit late commenting on this but something they could of done at least for the finisher bash (on the bash opener) is guarantee it like the light (this could be maybe achieved by making the finisher bash slightly faster only after the bash opener if possible). This could mean the finisher bash would probably need to loose a little damage (keep it higher damage than the light) but this would allow you to at the very least choose to either finish a chain with the bash with a bit more guaranteed damage and then reposition if needed or use the light to start a mix up with the light. It could work better (As in if they can achieve what they are going for with the current change) but it also could not work but it would at least make it less awkward going for the finisher now on starter bash while also making it a better bash.

Ubisoft really spat in our faces with instead of adding a op hero they add one with a really bad kit then nerf him down 💀

To be honest, I am just glad they are touching him up now, instead of later. Although, it is interesting how his light hitboxes get immediately fixed yet Medjay can still smack me from Mars. I imagine it is due to information I am not privy to, but all I can do is imagine.

Is the bash finisher confirmed on chain bash? I feel like i cant dodge it

I’m guessing Medjay is untouched. Comedy gold.

Why? He didn't seem overwhelming to fight at all. Except the 100 to 0 gank, which they could have fixed by changing recovery values?

Dude the moment I heard that he lost his bash damage, and has to throw a light to deal damage, I immediately knew he was gonna get gutted.

This was a really unnecessary nerf if you ask me. Yeah lets label this character as a ganker and then nerf his ability to gank 🤦‍♂️.

The ganks were incredible last time I played. It made sense to the character because they hunt in packs like animals. As well as being unrelenting like an enraged one.

Damn Ubisoft, he just released and you already killed him

Hey freeze idk if you actually read your comments but he still has a solid gank where you use the hunters stance heavy to confirm a heavy While the heavy land occelot uses his chain bash which then can confirm a hero with a delayable heavy like jj zhan hu or warlord. This then confirms a delayed occelot heavy finisher. Which then can confirm another heavy

freeze can I use the segment of your video of the gank? my videos are in spanish I will give you credit

I know this probaly guts the hero, but I am sorry, I don't care. Fuck pin moves in general. Good ridance.

yo freeze when the video on the new season

I just dont know when he is bashing, doing his count dooku style assassination OR his unblockable, it looks al the same for me😅

Link for the hotfix ?

It feels like they already planned to do this

Me before the video "ubi gonna fix his t1!" Me after "pirate treatment...."

Does JJ's bash still have it's special pin property? Just curious.

If they’re not gonna give the hunter stance more moves they can they please give the leap HR and make it feintable

I haven't gotten him but I've sparred with my buddy and after talking about his moveset, only thing we wanted was hyper armor on the lunge from stance. If he's a "gank character", then it'd make sense for him to jump in with no flinching. If Zerk can do it, then a character directly meant to do it should have hyper armor. Idk about any other problems playing against him cuz I haven't been on super often. I work a lot so...lol.

OCELOTL should be able to recovery cancel into his predator stance and be able to throw a bash out of it like nobu

I feel like he wasn't insanely strong to warrant these pretty intense nerfs, I really think they must buff something else to compensate like hyper armour on his hunter stance heavy

I understand that his neutral bash was exceptional for ganking but I wish it still did direct damage. The bash no longer resetting hit stun doesn’t bother me (despite his character being built to gank) yet I loved bashing people to death like a slow gladiator breaking your nose. Now it’s not very different from literally all the other heroes.

All im saying is hes fun and on that x cut bash thats a free heavy and on his leap in his hunter stance at least a light maybe a zone in ganks as long as u have a team knowing how to gank and kno when to do wha .. Still think imo only bashes that should do dmg are them cutsences bashes imo

wish his prowling stance was an actual move in a 1v1, such a cool ability and attack that are just completely useless

I tested while playing on xcloud, you could not dodge out of his second bash at all, even if thats all you concentrated on. It was basically guaranteed. I'm sure this wasnt the case on console or pc, but it was annoying as hell on cloud.

what shaolin tier 3 are you talking about?

Can I just say that my only complaint was the 22 damage bash seemed a bit high in my opinion they didn’t need to remove bash damage completely

There hasn't been a fun as hell hero since BP man. These outlanders have been snoozers

That's a little sad. Honestly removing the pin is good, a bash that fast shouldn't make you easily eat a heavy or two. But I would like... something to compensate, honestly, it just feels weird they've made him as a "ganker" and his gank is not especially good. Imo he needs buffs/additions to hunter stance, having a solid pinning move off the back of a blockable leaping top heavy might be fine if it's made correctly. At the very least maybe he can follow up his unique bash punish AFTER the light, so it has a purpose beyond being an incredibly risky unguaranteed move.

I havent even played ocelotl yet but ive played against him loads and i dont think his bash was too much, even in ganks he never felt overpowered in normal dominion ,i mean shugoki has a bash that damages plus his insane hyperarmor so all this does is make ocelotl easier to beat now 💀

Personally i feel like the bash nerf was kind of necessary. Any time id try to dodge or dodge attack after getting hit with the bash and they throw the light follow up it would hit most almost every time no matter which direction even though i was making the right read so they felt undodgable but now it makes his follow.up grab a bit awkward so hopefully its not too big of a difference to nerf the character

This is okay so far but if they nerf him in any other ways they’re really going to need to compensate and buff other areas

Welp. Rip the 70k+ steel I threw into customizing. You were fun while you lasted, Ocelotl! o7

Damn do i regret paying for early access on this one

I remember that neutral Bosch did 22 damage on me

i just dont undertand the ganker tag ☠

I don’t even play anymore I just like the nostalgia from this bloke

So less pressure from nutral, but i have better external opener lights!? Wow, such a great change! 💀

well, see you again next season

So the whole neutral bash getting changed is kind of retarded anyways. Like, the Fight Team literally made it clear that his bash is for direct damage and not for anything else. Personally, I'm not super bothered by it, because Ocelotl's neutral bash for me was almost always too risky to use anyways; it's basically suicide to use it, so however they want to go about it. *HOWEVER,* I don't like how they took away his ganking potential from that move now, and how it's now, essentially, ineffective to use his finisher bash after his neutral bash. Yeah...I don't like getting deleted instantly neither, but Ocelotl's entire kit is built around ganks specifically; it's literally in the damn description when you go under the Hero and it says, "Disabler, Ganker." In whatever case, this is probably not a good change, and Ubi needs to stop fucking around with the game and changing shit constantly if they didn't intend for something to be used a certain way, but put it into a Hero's kit regardless.

I feel he deserves buffs in other aspects the character feels so mid and underwhelming

Nice, so he was gutted. Enjoyed playing him while it lasted I guess. Why even go for follow up bash and take a chance on missing out on the confirmed damage on the initial bash. If they dodge the follow up, you took a risk for nothing and missed out on damage from the follow up light you could’ve gotten on initial bash just to risk getting the finisher bash. Such a bad change.

I don't know if someone will see this or even care. But if i could nake i wish it would be that all FH Content creators made a video about 240Hz players that just has huge advantage of being able to reaction everything in reading based game. And the solution is so obvious,but nobody of English speaking content creators talk about that. Solution is in 60 fps lock. To be fair people can react to bash indicators and a lot of other things consistently only because they has some hight tech monitors. And someone really think that unreacteble offence can be reacted on 60 fps than they need to think again. Yeah it's possible to react to unblockables even on 60 Hz but it is so much harder. And this change will positively effect all people overall.

Ik they’re probs gonna over due the nerfs ex( revenge, pk ) but oce they could’ve numbed his damage a bit and fix revenge gain from his attacks and the dmg on bash yea get rid of that shit lmao i don’t know why ubi pick and choose what bash does damage

Big nerfs before the 2 weeks are up? Ubi must be feeling off today.

Thank god now all ubi has to do is lower the chain bash damage from 18 to 5 at least or 10 at most and the finisher bash to 10 at least or 15 at most

Nerf Ocelot but Medjays gank is still there 🤣 nice work

I haven't played the game in a while, but I think the nerf was uncalled for Please, do try to change my mind

Bashes doing damage was a bit sus yeah

Hunter stance needs some love.

Honestly fighting to of them was a pain they’d just stun lock you to death The thing even worked in revenge

Ubisoft: Creates ganker and acknowledges game style Also Ubisoft: Alright now that we have people's money, let's change the product in their hands.

Killed the gankers gank potential ok imma clock ⏰️ out Ubi never ceases to amaze.

Him feeding more revenge is a dub

I want him to do bleed damage, a deflect, and a dodge out of hunters stance.

Im glad that they are removing the damage from his bash, I feel they need to do that for all heroes excluding the ones that need feats like cent and glad. Dealing damage with a bash plus getting a confirmed light is ridiculous.

Im glad i stuck with my gut

Whats the point of this

Backstep light into the chain bash 🤷

That's the first time in For honor history they take away something that made an underwhelming character release all it had going for it before the steel payers could get their hands on the hero. Not sure whats going on with jabba the hut who balances hero's but, Somethings up. It would be the first time you buy a hero just for 1 feat, which is hilarious.

damn now the bash is worthless in 4's as well

His double bash, even if you dodged it and tried to light, would still hit you. That was silly

He was already weak. Then they nerfed him 🤦

There was a nerf ?? I’m still fucking everyone up rn didn’t even realize 😂

Great so I wasted money on a character that’s not even viable to use anymore thanks ubi

Well I had fun with the hero. I can stop playing him now .

Tbh I like it better this way. 3 pins from neutral was kinda dumb ganking potential and I like anti gank potential better with his hyperarmoer hitboxes and light hitboxes. However he's still well. Not new. Kinda a boring hero tbh. His fashion doesn't make that up for me. However the 9 dmg bash and wierd chains now are to big of a downgrade. Common ubishit your triple A the big one you can fix somthing without wierd jank

Good god nobody wanted longer stun by making the bash gurantee a follow up. They just needed to remove the damage reduction reset Do the devs ignore most of the community or are they just completely dense?

they label him a ganker, nerf his ganking potential, even though the community all collectively said hes actually pretty balanced. wow! wow! wow!

Early as he'll but great since he was so annoying so honestly good redince