I just tested myself on my samurai armor with a katana. It's equal to what I've seen with mails or light plates, it scrapes and buckles it. But doesn't penetrate through the armor. So I'd say it's equal and it's all up to the fighters experience, skills and hearts.
@@EyelessEntity It's almost like the weapon and armour evolved concurrently in an arms race between attack and defense, with each trying to counter the other over time.
Let them be in warhammer but make it half ling cavalry and the lore would be every time one of the sheep died in battle the halflings immediately went to prep it for cooking stew and lamb chops
its like Skallagrim, Metatron and Shadiversity had an agreement to correct the misinformation from this video, each covering the warriors they are most educated about. Metatron covers Samurais and Shadiversity cover the knights.
I know, it's freaky how unintentionally coordinated this was o.0 It has really impressed me with how the whole medieval weapons community have come together in defence of the truth.
Lol You guys should do more videos together! and if matpat wants to do a video on some weapon stuff , please help him out! His content will greatly improve with your guys' help Thanks for all the work you do
This is my opinion too ^_^ Now I'm not just saying this because I am one of them. The fact that we can disagree on occasion with such respect and friendliness has impressed me for a long time.
Did you look under the comments on MatPats vid? The "Medieval enthusiast" are rather, well, not "nice" in the comment section. And i don´t see any "respect" or "friendliness" but i saw alot of hate and spite.
this question is a little late but, what about customs taxes ? Do the border guards just let you trough with a car-load of foreign goods without any fee ?
@@patrickmartin2236 It's a pretty long border so I can't say for sure. But I take a free bus ride (payd by Sweden I believe) for a few hours that travels to a specific grocery store. So many people do it that they still earn money from it. Basically as far as my situation goes, it's only food items and they're either tax free, or they're even cheaper than I thought that even with tax they half of what norwegian prices are.
@@patrickmartin2236 There's basicly no border guard, maybe close to Oslo, but further up you can just drive over the border like it's nothing, sometimes there's not even signs, so it can be hard to tell what country you are in.
@@patrickmartin2236 there are no border guards. while not being part of the eu norway is part of schengen. meaning open borders with other schengen members.
nuh uh japonise samrie r mastrs of combot and can kil anytheng bcuz thei r cool and made amine ur jus jelis bcuz ur dum and don aprecate gud thing im not weeb if u call me 1 ur dum
I'm just sitting here laughing my ass off at the concept of literally the entire population of Scandinavia sailing up to the British coast, thousands of longboats slowly closing in as a pair of englishmen look on from a high cliff. "Well William, looks like it's gonna be one of those days."
Wing hussar: This is getting good! Let's watch the carnage! Rough rider: I brought the beers, wings and other stuff. I'm gonna bet on the knight. Cossack: hi! I'm here for the show.
MickleShiv When I saw that video and seen that he didn't mention pommels for vikings and knights a part of me died and the other wanted 2 throw a pommel at my monitor. Now I need a new monitor :(
"Ah shit Meif Arikson! You ate all the sheep guts? Welp, get in the longboat, we're going to the British Isles. I think there's a sale on British blood in the small village we murdered last Wednesday."
I love how there was a historical martial arts RU-vidr to represent every single faction that MatPat offended. It's like the three factions sending their nerdiest representatives to seek intellectual vengeance.
There is evidence that there were possibly some 'Viking settlements' in Finland, unfortunately a lot of the historical evidence was destroyed during the Northern Crusades and other invasions. And as numerous sources from the Roman period onward mention various kings of Finland, it is completely possible that Finland also had Vikings.
Haha you say that both you and MatPat have your channels for entertainment and not education, primarily. You then proceed to drop insane amounts of knowledge for 20 minutes. You're the best.
+Forest elfranger [Throngs of archers and arbalists literally scrunched up against each other with various limbs comically sticking out like messy piles of paper]
Actually the majority of swords used did not have detatchable pommels. and specially if lookign at that time period From the 11th century we dont (as far as i know) have any evidence that they had threaded pommes so they could unscrew them so the knights in this case would almost certain not have detatchable pommels :) I did just make a serious reply on a comment about pommel throwing. I guess that is a bit stupid :)
well the interned is basically used for 2 things. 1: Looking at cute or funny cat pics or videos. 2: Arguing with complete strangers over silly things. I don't like looking at cap pics so...
It's not that simple, good sir! Knights have detachable pommels, but the Samurai's weapon can cut through the fabric of time and space! And don't forget the Viking is Scandinavian. His war cry will instantly kill both warriors. It shall be a match decided by who overkills first. I'm getting even more terrible at sarcasm. And that's saying something.
I mean, the knights have the most impenetrable armor out of the three. it might be heavy and slightly limiting, but honestly it makes it hard to hurt the wearer with a blade. that being said, I think it's also their biggest weakness too, since they'll be the slowest of the three, and if you knock them down the process to stand back up is a long enough window to push them down again and get at the weak points of the suit.
Wrong. Vikings were steroid ridden, brutish psychopaths hardened by the cold North. Their axes (they didn't use other weapons) were rudimentary because everyone was too busy working out and punching trees down for boats so there was no time for smithing. No one had chainmail because all vikings were forced to eat the iron due to lack of fertile lands and the fact all animals were frozen, this is what made Vikings so tough. All of this doesn't matter though because Samurai are Japanese just like anime, so they're obviously superior.
I feel like we need a video game with sheep-mounted peasants with war-pitchforks. Their opposition? Captain Janeway and her army of cobalt warrior tarantulas! (Yes, I did just invoke SF Debris. Wut.) I feel like we have an award-winning game on our hands that can't possibly ever be sued for copyright violation. ;)
The fact that vikings (who were essentially farmers that raided when they had no work to do) are being compared to professional soldiers (knights and samurai), demonstrates that vikings were no joke.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 iap and that's not completely true , neither it's that useful in coordinated battles , reason why their raids always worked was focus on smaller to average towns and standings , while later campaigns where more coordinated i would argue that would have big difference against Samurai army or Medieval Knights , 1 v 1 scenario is different thing though , but that not how battle goes , plus even in 1 v 1 many thing depends on technique and weapons , armor , quality wise even in best v best scenarios Vikings would be in disadvantage ( maybe not against Samurais , maybe against archers and heavy infantry but not against regular soldiers , quality of forging in Japan was higher at that point but steal quality was not , so Vikings would have higher chances against Samurai )
@@creaturetransylvania8943 i understand, though physical size have advantages same with weight , it also have disadvantages , especially in given environment , ofc you are right about that fact , but also , i can't actually remember any major interaction where physical size of individuals was decider of the outcome , fact of Vikings being weaker force than Samurais doesn't change , even in case of 1 v 1 i would say Samurai would stand decent chance of defeating Viking due to better equipment and their profession being soldiers , though similar in extend could apply on Viking , difference in armor and quality of weapon , as well as it's way of use could still favor Samurai , however if we will talk generally not best v best , chances are on Vikings side ... but not in 11th century ( gap in equipment was too high , as well as way of fighting , Samurais mainly use horses , Vikings didn't Samurais were mid rang fighters , Vikings weren't , in battle their main enemy would be heavy infantry , and that's were i can argue about Vikings having lower chance . but let's be honest , Knights would always have highest chance of winning
@Rafael Lopez Knights still used heater shields as they did not want to get hit anyhow and if they got charged by horse. But yes heater was for combat not ageinst archers
@@Jow2002 KITE SHIELD GANG samurai would be fucked in close and long range by knights, and Vikings were armoured enough to survive a blow from a katana when struck anywhere except the most vulnerable areas.
@Rafael Lopez Sorry for interfearing your discussion. True fact shields died out faster than plate armor. And there have been plate armor that could even stop rifle bullets at some point in history. Think Henry VIII did own such armor tho it was expensive as !(%¤ and a few selected did own such armor. Anyways plate armor is good no discussion BUT you aren't godlike cuz of it. in history a clothed wearing pesant could beat a full plate protected knight in a 1v1 situation if he had the right gear. Full armor makes you a bit slower depending on if it is heavier or light. in some cases the knight could barley feel he had armor on cuz they was well fitted to the individual ofc. but still a person with no armor should still be a bit faster and smoother in the movements. Then the wepon of choice. A longer 2H wepon is ofc good cuz of the reach no doubt. but all kind of wepons like armor have weakness of some sort. I myself do fight and i am training with round shield 1H axe and 1H spear. In the traing we have done with all sorts of wepons i have bested 2H wepons of most types cuz of the shield. and for the plate sure won't bleed to death if he get hit by let's say an axe but he still get "crush" injuries cuz im hitting the plate. the plate absorbs the impact but to a price. that is why warhammers came a while after plate came to basicly crush the man inside the historical "Bulldozer" armor then they added spikes to puch through pretty easy.
Hello. Samurai here. I have no beef with the Knights. I would say that the Knights are the most honorable (Fun fact I'm a Lawbringer main). But SCREW THOSE DAMN VIKINGS! Shaman is the most angering I really hate her. Valkrie plays herself (like Shaman). Highlander is cool and I cant hate him. Raider is a bit too busted and SHOULD NOT have all that super armor. Warlord is a dick but whatever. Jöurmunger (?(Like the snake?)) Is I would dare say less broken Centurion. Hot take. I hate the Monks the most. Thanks for reading.
they fckd around(litteraly too), but there are far more legendary forces in history. what about the mongols? Or as a Croatian to say we stopped the turkish invasion of Europe xD , there is more to it than just vikings, and also becouse they are overhyped in a way...not hatin i love nordic mithology and their history
FilmingNow Pride. It's a curse of those that follow and are advanced to think that because they are better. Everyone before was completely stupid. Same how some people think the founders of America couldn't forsee future firearm tech. Even though there was a demonstration of a rapid multishot firearm done for them. They almost bought it for the army. Also as explained the mental picture tends to leap to the popular example.
It's quite frustrating to see people believe that the people in the past were stupider than those today. As for an example of viking intelligence look at the boats they were the fastest boats of their time and under the right wind conditions they are faster than modern sailboats.
Even if they were just rudimentary axes they are still incredibly effective weapons, this idea MattPat has that complicated means good kind of shows his lack of real knowledge
as a side note, I believe For Honor classifies it's self as a fantasy game. While it does seem more based in reality than something like lord of the rings or skyrim, it does still understand it isn't a history lesson.
And the game creators would certainly agree. Matpat treated it to his own _unique_ understanding of history, though. That was the whole point of his video.
It is, if I recall correctly, the game is placed 1000 years after these civilizations started fighting each other, so there's an explanation for historically inacurate stuff. Besides there's a god of destruction or something in a physical manifest that wants everybody to fight and die.
The game knows it's a game. The point of Matpat's video is to project historical accuracy onto the game content, in order to determine who the eventual victor would be. His lack of mastery of the historical content (*not that of the game*) is the travesty that is being responded to. No one gives a shit about the game being inaccurate. It's a game.
well, when your understanding of history becomes a little TOO unique, then fantasy may be a more apropriate term for it, nothing against him making a video based on what he thinks he knows, its mostly for entertainment rather then education anyway, but saying its historical in any way warrants at least someone to go and say "guys this isnt actual history, this guy is just talking about his preconceptions about vikings, he didnt even bother googling it"
Such a great video. Man I was kicking myself for not addressing the food stuff, frozen wasteland and Viking weapons comments, my video would have been too long, but you’ve addressed those perfectly, better than I could have. I would add that the Kite Shield can also have a center-grip as we see on the bayeux tapestry and other sources, one of the reasons why I love that shield so much ^_^ but this isn’t to detract from the versatility of the great round shields popular among the vikings. I LOVED that you addressed the samurai bows and archery in general. Thanks again for the superb work mate!
+Skallagrim There's a lot of similarities but one difference is that because the grip can be significantly off-center on the vertical plane to the center-of-balance (due to the extended point) the kite shield naturally falls to a vertical position with a decent amount of insistence. I've found this to be beneficial for a number of reasons but I happily admit I'm total a kite shield fanboy ^_^
Shadiversity The kite shield shares similarities with the roman shield, wich was used in a similar way. But the kite shield was designed to be used on horseback wich is it's main advantage, but not so much as an offensive tool. :) And btw you, Skall and Metatron should do a colab video on this trying to pick a winner, each arguing for their own side. A good day to both of you from a big fan of you both :)
+Gašper Žuber I've actually had a really interesting conversation with Matt Easton regarding the kite shield being a specialised cavalry shield, something of which we both disagree with, instead we conclude that the Kite Shield is far more effective on foot though it most certainly is still very effective on horseback. (just search kite shield on both our channels and you'll find our videos, one of mine is a direct response video to matt).
Shadiversity I have watched both videos before no worries ;) I just disagree the the extended bottom part gets in the ways. My personal opinion is that it was designed this way so it coverd up your leg on the left flank of the horse, wich is always really vounurable. On the right side you make your ofensive moves with your lance, while the left is safe due to the long shield. It's up to the horseman to maneuer the horse so he is always protected. But again opinions do vary and I see your point :)
@@oljo0527 Lol, totally. Save it for the Irish or whomever. Rule 1 of Vikings: Don't Raid At Home. (P.S. My Swedish is pretty bad, but correct if I'm wrong--you said something like 'Damn Norseman, stop setting fire to our ICA shops'. Personally, if that's the shop I'm thinking of, I wouldn't mind raiding them a bit because they're freaking expensive...but you know...I only visit Sweden to visit family and I might be thinking of the wrong grocery store.)
@@oljo0527 Thanks, man--I appreciate it. Not much chance to practice Swedish where I live, unfortunately, so it waxes and wanes according to the free time I have. In which part do you live, if I may ask? I mostly visit Skane, but my family is originally from waaaaay up north, and I've traveled somewhat extensively across the country over the years. (If you prefer not to say, no prob--privacy is important.)
@@MrBrachiatingApe I'm from Skövde, in Västergötland Pure hillbilly land tbh but the people are cool enough once you drop any big city acting haha Skåne is pretty nice, too close to denmark for me though, and Norrland is too far away from family, otherwise I'd easily move all the way up
In the Viking Age, Denmark was woods and hills, Sweden was mostly woods and hills (depends on where you go) , but Norway was mountains and fjords and stuff.
To those who are interested in Viking history - please throw aside Skallagrim's claim that he is not a historian. You would have to spend a month reading through volumes of scriptures (which I did) to get to the same precise conclusions that Skallagrim presents here in less than 19 minutes. It is very very accurate ... and I am quite impressed. +1 million subs well earned!
It is important to note he isn't a historian though. Dan Carlin is one of the most well versed teachers of history I've ever experience and he always reminds you he is not a historian. I think it has to do with A.) respect for those who do it as their life B.) the requirements of actually being a historian, including travel and peer review backing for most statements or discoveries, etc. and C.) It's just not their job so they aren't historians, but instead "fans of history" Dan Carlin has the best series on The Mongols and many other civilizations that I have ever listened to.
Huh, people (in general) do see any weapon with wood to be less developed & less dangerous than all steel. Just like people see a rifle with wood to be less dangerous than the same rifle with a black tactical look
Kekistan Shitlord He does not mean war rofles but hunting rifles. There are amny examples on the internet, but to name one, Timber Classic Marlin 336C is a such.
@@exmas3284 lol what's an assault weapon? Do you mean battle rifles? Which need a weapon licence grade of 2 or higher meaning they would have to obtain military clearance check aka back ground check
My favorite thing about this debunking is that you're not afraid to admit that you don't know some things. It leaves room for further study and improvement and more people need to think that way.
Especially important when discussing Japanese anything. Virtually all research on Japan is done by Japan and only in Japanese. Like fuck, English historians on the Sengoku still use Imperialist Japanese propaganda as historical evidence, something Japan stopped doing 50 years ago. If the guy cant read Japanese, he will struggle to find any legit sources on Japanese weapons or historical events or tactics or anything really.
This, I feel, is the best argument in GT's 'defense'. While I am incredibly anal and pedantic about historical martial arts, it would be just flat-out wrong to say he is at least any more wrong on history than the game itself.
Cause he only says things for views without actually doing anything in the way of fact checking. He's done that for more videos than I even care to count. His link is dead video made me lose any interest and hope for his channel
@@clarienne7583 i know you posted this a year ago. But just because it’s not historically accurate doesn’t mean it’s bad. Like in ghost of Tsushima is also completely unnacurate. The mongol invasion happened yes. But in Tsushima it was a quest and they kept taking over the castles. While on the real deal they basically had no enemies at the beach cuz no one came to defend that island. And when they tried to get to the main island, they got their ass beat and immediately turned around. And khotun kan also didn’t even exist. But that didn’t make it a bad game. Point made. Bye
Dude. I love Wales and all that plus being Irish I have no right to laugh at negative military stereotypes because we haven't one a single war EVER but that image is too freaking funny.
@@zanir2387 heavy metal plates say hello, there's a documentary in netflix and a flintlock gun (i think, or was it a musket) literally had it's shot disintigrate after it made contact, it was at extremely close range too
Nasty McJackass He was hard pressed for time and shoehorned in a video inbetween a two-parter 'cuz the fans don't like waiting two parters. He simply didn't have enough time for proper research
Samurai folded their katana 5.1x10^9 times, which allowed it to cut through mountains. Chainmail is nothing compared to superior Japanese pommel technology, which was specifically designed to end him rightly.
@@luukthijssen4917 Well that isn’t saying much. The sets used some pop cultural misconceptions like horned helmets which they never wore in reality due it being only a way to lose your helmet from a grapple. It was mostly focused on rule of cool anyways with the set facing them off against mythical creatures like the Sea Serpent.
Sea cucumber It's a variation of an old technique that seems to have appeared after the fall of Rome where one unscrews the pommel of the weapon and uses it as a projectile in order to hit the killing blow. It seems to have been very effective in duels, but it became less prevalent on the battlefield as unscrewing the pommel severely reduces the effectiveness of any weapon. It was also a difficult skill to master, so in later periods the pommel would not have the ability to be thrown, because their commanders feared that less experienced men might throw their pommels prematurely, which would severely diminish their forces.
Deadlyaztec27 I know about the pommel meme this community has. I just thought that after unscrewing the head you would use the head as a projectile rather than the handle.
He's getting to be increasingly wrong on a large amount of things though. It is really not that difficult, I don't think, to gain a passable knowledge of a topic in a relatively short time. Accounts from Arab Travelers and Historians at the time (which are incredibly easy to find summaries of) would point out that they were very accomplished traders, and had distinct population centers, and tended to care more about cleaniness than most Europeans in the same time frame. He's just getting really sloppy.
Ty Adams If you talk about perfecting steel, might I remind you that the Japanese didn't even have forges hot enough to fully melt the ferrite sand they made weapons out of. That's why they needed to fiddle with the whole folding many times over to get rid of the excess carbon and get actual steel out of it. It still wasn't the same as the crucible monosteel Europeans used, but at least perfectly serviceable.
Exactly, it's a shame Katanas and Axes don't have pommels, because if they did, the scenario wouldn't end up in a massacre for the sammurai and the viking.
The matter of fact is simply this: You cannot even begin to have a rational discussion about Samurai (and to a lesser degree Vikings) without first cutting through a MOUNTAIN of romanticized bull crap with no basis in reality.
ARE you implying sir/madam that the people that the people who make our movies would do anything other than tell us the truth?... If so then I would have to say that you sir/madam are woefully mistaken, & at great risk of misinforming the today's youth...... That's all I got..... PEACE OUT!
Matt Pat's handling of criticism in a nutshell: >Makes a video with a lot of cherry picked information >Someone makes a video debunking his theories with better data that goes against said theory >Said someone gets labeled as a hater
@@Mecanotech He made a comment, but deleted it. If you want to know what it is, I believe the KnightSquire or someone else included it in their comment section. I'll try to find it.
@@Mecanotech I couldn't find it, I'm sorry. But I do remember he basically shut everyone down and stood by his claims. Basically treated Skall and all the other video creators like angry kids. Also, someone said something about it in his original stream, and the guy was asked to leave. Also also, I recommend KnightSquire's two videos on it. One on the GameLab episode, and the other on this one. If you haven't already, of course.
@@lukatosic09 i almost feel bad for the guy. As much as I hate how inaccurate his video was ive found like 5 videos going after him for that. Meanwhile no one does the same for the other game theory guy who has crap theories
I'm 4 months late ,but this is how it went. Shad explains that matpat is wrong calmly, Metatron pushes him against the wall, and Skallagrim doesn't say anything at all. He just stabs him.
@@babress3119 But they really had almost nothing to do with vikings, I mean, there is a time gap of like 700 years separating vikings and gauls. If I did wrong in pointing this important aspect, please, show me how. But if I did right, then why are you complaining?
The reason why samurai swords would always cut Viking shields in half with one hit (also known as "the sashimi slice") is because samurai steel is forged with the blood of the ancient ancestor demons. This is the same reason why in World War 2, a unit of samurai could run at a guy with a heavy machine gun and block every bullet with their swords, then leap into the air 300 feet (in some cases 500 feet) slice the gun in half and cut the soldier into tiny shreds, which is where we get the word "sushi" from. So obviously if Japan wanted to conquer Europe they could've and we should be thankful they didn't send their haiku forces.
Be careful about bows. Since you are from scotland, any Londoner has a right to shoot you if you will walk into London with a bow. It is limited to some location in london, and it is not every day. But if you will have a bad luck...
"Viking blood" isn't a thing, no more than "pirate blood" or "janitor blood" ... someone's occupation isn't genetic lol. What you mean is some Scandinavian ancestry, and that's pretty common amongst Europeans.
Hahaha, the little bit about Norwegians going over the border to buy cheap stuff in Sweden is so hilariously on-point and accurate. Too real man, too real. Signed, a Norwegian that frequently laments the price difference in question....
We norwegians actually often sail to denmark to get cheaper alcohol too tbh My parents a few times went grocery shopping to denmark when i was a kid, note that we lived in kristiansand.
As used to be the case here in Canada if you lived close to the border! Then we realized the additional taxes we had to pay coming back with the goods made it hardly worth it. Don't know if you guys can relate?
THE GREAT CORNHOLIO I think they would have changed to the club's used by the shugoki class, armor vs. crushing brutish force is better than pigsteel blades. Katanas are cool but far from the samurais actual useful weaponry.
For Honor 2: a totally historically accurate game! In this sequel instead of Knights vs. Vikings vs. Samurai, we have Sheep-Mounted Peasants wielding slightly pointy pitchforks vs. Nudist Drunkards that live in a “frozen wasteland” yet wear minimal clothing vs. Disturbed Rice Farmers that are armed with the all powerful god-swords fe punny mortals refer to as Katanas that can cut through space and time * *Maximum sarcasm limit reached* *
The response to this video made by Matpat is awesome. You have Shad, who knows the most on Knights and focused on them in his video, the Metatron knows the most on Samurai and focused on them, and Skall knows the most about Vikings and focused on them in his video. It's really amazing.
I would argue Thregn & Thrand would know more about Vikings than Skall, mainly because he seems to be something of a generalist whereas they've specialized into that culture.
Lloyd Nix While that would have been awesome, it would have also created the impression that they were deliberately ganging up on MatPatt. No need to start a fanbase war.
Knights would easily beat vikings because most vikings aren't trained in military art. Samurai maybe could take a knight depending on what the battle fight.
Most of the viking where regular folks, with skill in more blunt weapons, they used to be more like "pirates", invading weak places, stealing everything and burning it down, there was of course some skill being used, but they didnt have a special training like knights or samurais, so... vikings where more a instinctive thing than anything else. (Pardon my english)
Corvina SenPAIN somewhat.. they were a warrior culture. Now military strategist?? Eh that's arguable. When Southern European united they did decimate vikings. Even if you exclude horses. They were better strategists and utilized armor and tactics better. But the vikings weren't far behind and even the most untrained viking warriors portrayed an aura of ruthlessness and bravado that resonated with veteran town guards and even knights.
That's it, we have the holy Trinity of historical combat RU-vidrs, Mettaton, Shad and now Skallagrim. I wonder what Matt's response video will be like.
Something that has not been mentioned much in those debunking videos is the thing that both vikings and knights where used to fight different cultures. specially the vikings. as they did travel over almost the whole known world. So they where used to adapt depending on what they was facing and had experience of facing several types of warriors with different equiptment, tactics and so on. While Samurais did pretty much only fight warriors from same culture as themself. They did basically only fight other japanese wariors. besides the mongolian invasions they never really fought anyothign else than other japanese warriors. This fact would give both knights and vikings an advantage.
That's an odd thing about the setting in For Honor anyway... Supposedly there has been war for a long time, so you'd think the different factions maybe adapt their equipment to be more effective against their opponents? I'd expect the Vikings to scavenge some plate armor, maybe find out where the knights get their large quantities of quality iron ore from and raid their supply, and even try to capture armorers.
True. and that rases another question. if thse 3 factions has been fighting each other for a long time why havent the equiptment changed more. If knights and samurais had been fighting each other historically i am sure that both knight armor and weapon would have evolved in another way, same with Samurai armor and weapons. But i was more thinking from a historical point of view as he did claim to look at this from a historical and realistic point of view :) And By the way great Video as usual. keep the good work up
The basis of the game is that they were separate but there was a earth shift of some sort which brought them all together and for no reason they fight over resources (Which could be shared)
+Xeph yeah i know about the lore/history in the game. And personally i don't mind at all. It is a fantasy game. and its not a very lore heavy game where that is a huge part of the gameplay. so that it is not that logical is fine . But as i said before. MatPat did a vide where he claimed to look at it from a real historical perspective so in that case the lore of the game does not matter.
Historians disagree how reliable his account is, but it's worth noting that in his acccount of the Viking Siege of Paris, the monk Abbo Cernuus claims the Viking arrows were poisoned, which raises the stakes for even being scratched by one.
They are made after the fantasy of what we suppose them as. Like knights, they are sort of armored, but not tin canned, and their helmets have all sorts of very odd ornaments, and they swords are insanely huge. This is made after the concept of what a knight was, whilst pushing the idea of what a knight was over the top, to make it more apparent that you are in fact playing a knight. And Vikings did armor up yes. but were known to fight half naked, and or without torso armor-Clothing simply, to intimidate or show off scars, tattoo's and other things. Blood would also be more apparent on their skin, making them even more terrifying.
mrdrebin123 I'm sorry mate but this is absolutely not true... vikings were not known for fighting halt naked or showing scars. Celts did to a certain extent (if I'm not misstaken). Absolutely wrong, false and factually inaccurate.
Bored Guy yeah sure, besides the numerous texts written by monks and such after meeting them. Despite all the archeological finds etcetera... Not one text describes them as halt naked screaming lunatics despite the tendency to demonize them...
I'm pretty sure I read about some Vikings that would actually ritualistically get drunk or high on drugs and charge into battle naked. It could be a good way to scare the enemy, but I imagine the only ones who would do it were religious extremist.
"Rudimentary axes"... My HEMA instructor once let me play with his replica Viking bearded axe and that thing handled like a cavalry saber. An AXE had a comparable balance to a SABER. Now assuming this replica is accurate (and no reason not to; my instructor always had a good nose for accurate replicas) that is FAR from "rudimentary".
Good axes were so well balanced you couldn't tell them apart from a good sword, and they were a pleasure to swing. Well... I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the Idea :)
What a nice experience. I've never held a high quality axe, so the weapon has always seemed strange to me. I imagine its partly because in modern culture the axe is exclusively utilitarian, however the knife is treated by an elite few as a tactical weapon even though its possessed of the same utility.
What I really like is how you make it clear that the point of this video isn’t to refute who would win/who is better, but instead you point out the inaccuracies in his video. Good on you!
No, they sure didn't. Cause Orcs would beat the shit out of historical Samurais, Vikings and Knights. For starters, muscles. Really inhumanly big muscles. As in literally inhumanly big. For dessert, they have actual magic, real historical figures as far as we can prove had none.
In Tolkien stories which pretty much codified orcs as being staples of fantasy, Orcs were actually weaker than the average human with breeds that are comparable or stronger than a man such as the Uruk-hai of Saruman were considered to be super-soldiers
I managed to watch all of the Game Theory video, and I'm really regretting it. I lost 23 IQ points by doing so. "These guys (the Vikings) are dead as soon as they hit the battlefield." I'm sorry, what? I guess the Vikings never got that memo. It must have come in while they were out sacking a bazillion European cities from Scotland to Sicily.
Rodger Pitts I know. I was kind of mad when he said that, because Vikings have high durability. They may have some skin exposed, but their skin can withstand the forces of the cold wasteland, which is something really hard to do for a different race. They can withstand that without even getting frostbite, that's their durability max.
I'm sorry but that's not how it works in real life... Humans who live far north don't just get a magical genetic advantage that allows them to withstand frostbite any better than someone from the saharan desert. They are more accustomed to the *feeling* of coldness but I assure you if a viking and a beduin go prancing around the mountains of wintery Norway naked they will freeze to death just as quickly. No +50% resistance to cold damage for nords in real life I'm afraid. That's why they wore thick furs. Like bedouins wear full protection from the sun.
NordicAspect they are accustomed to the feeling yes, but they also have adapted to it. I don't mean a naked Viking could last long in the cold, but they are use to it, and they are used to taking advantage of that. Some one from the Sahara desert would die off much easier then a Viking in the North, because they are unprepared, and are not adapted to that type of nature. I didn't mean to sound like Vikings have a magical skin power, cause that would just be really derpy, but what I meant was to prove my point.
I think NordicAspect was reading something slightly different than what Pixel Boss wrote, and you're still mistaking it. Living in the North didn't make the Vikings magical warriors but the harsher conditions made them more used to adapting to working and fighting in more difficult conditions. Whether that made them know how to bundle up better or have clothing more suited to the climate didn't matter, what mattered was that they learned to be as aggressive as they needed to be. The religious aspect of it helped, too. They didn't fear death, and the harder they fought the greater their death would have been. That's not unlike what the Romans found with the early Christians. They were frustrated at how the Christians welcomed death as a ticket to be back with Christ rather than something to be more feared than anything else.
Why do people never talk about the fact that Japanese men are smaller than European men? If you have skills, size and strength are a huge advantage in combat, especially 1v1 and close quarter combat....
True, but if you have the proper training, speed and explosion are also huge advantages. If two well trained warriors with good armor, one who is 6'3, built like a tank and slow, and one who is 5'6, slender, with good stamina and fast, would fight, it would come down to who used their advantages best. It really just comes down to who can attack their opponents weakness using their strengths.
When we talk about Knight vs Samurai vs Viking, we are talking about the most robust and skilled representative from each camp. All else being equal, size and strength do matter. That is why there are weight classes in combat sports. Sure there is luck and anything can happen in combat, but 9/10 the similarly skilled and fit but bigger and stronger fighter is gonna take the win. That is who nature favors and combat is a very animalistic endeavor.
Correct, but the men in this scenario are heavily armored and a touch or even a heavy strike against a dodging combatant, with any weapon, will be mostly ineffective. Historically, when two opponents have such impenetrable defenses, a fight to the death will turn into a grappling/wrestling scenario. Knights, for example, would attempt to mount their opponent and thrust a dagger into a gap in the armor. If both men were wearing civilian clothing, then yes, in combat involving sharp cutting/stabbing weapons, the odds would be 50/50 regardless of the stature of the combatants (all else being equal.) Not only that, but the fight would be over extremely quickly.
I think people should just stop fucking comparing ancient warriors from varying lands as most of them have and never will be able to fight eachother. The answer to any knight vs. viking vs. samurai vs. ninja vs. tibetan monk vs. indian archer vs. fucking m16 wielding infantry vs. phaser wielding romulan discussion is: It depends.
7:12 he forgot to mention something super badass about Rollo. He was called “Rollo the walker” because he was reportedly so tall and bulky, he couldn’t ride a horse
They would have bring such a huge improvement to his video, facts-side. I actually think it's a great idea to ask to a specialized dude a bit of a hand for his videos featuring historical themes. Keep up the thinking Dash, u smart.
DashXero He said "I did the research with Austin from The Science!" Austin? You mean a millenial with 0 experience in viking/samurai/knight history? K MatPat. Oook.
Matpat should really stick to lore theories and math/science based theories and stay away from history. Leave the history to Gaijin Goomba if anyone, and in the case of combat and martial arts, guys like Skallagrim.
I think For Honor can best be described as a 300 style videogame but with Vikings, Knights and Samurai instead of Spartans. And should also not be seen as anything historical. Just fun fantasy violence somewhat based on history.
Willem Verheij this is the best way of looking at it. It is a Mortal Kombat, but with historic flavors foe the characters and no focus on the supernatural.
Definitely. It takes from historical techniques and elements, sure, but at the end of the day it's still a fantasy game that shouldn't be taken as historically accurate. That being said, I'm glad they kept some elements of historical martial arts instead of the typical flailing around of Holywood films and stuff since stuff like Halfswording does look really cool and unique.
