Force Limit is just a Number...  

Wait wait wait, are you telling me going above 100% force limit gives more than 1% a year professionalism?

@@safs3098 Yes

It is just infinite manpower but with some extra steps

@@gabri-immortale Just tried it, and you would be surprised how much the manpower doesn't feel infinite with this combo. I think that Slackening mostly offsets the extra attrition that you take on all of those regiments. You do feel like a Juggernaut when fighting wars though.

@@Alorandyou would only take attrition if you are putting those units in shitty provinces or if you are death stacking them

And his peasants on nordic taxes 💀

Agreed. Basically getting the setup in a realistic manner, and having the manpower to make good use of it, preferably without sacrificing major modifiers... we're probably talking a window of ~1550-1650 (after which ducats often are just a number). Different in MP though, that's where it would be most interesting to consider I reckon. In SP, 200 FL is fairly modest around ~1600 and that's more than enough for almost any purpose. I suppose you could go for an early mil hegemon this way though, that may be one of the more interesting applications?

You don't even have to go that far... Moscow has -10% as well

@@thestudentYT oh for sure, but its always good to grab both!

My Yaun banner Cav only costs 3 cents. Tengri no secondary faith horde ideas Government reform thing no trading bonuses but soon I will get that too once I fix my trade. As forming Yaun shut down my china trade companies.

Cav start out with a 2.5x multiplier compared to infantry, so you need to hit 60% Cav cost reduction just to break into infantry levels. But, you know, Cav has more pips and stuff until 1600s.

Heard in thestudents voice 😂

people in mp already know this lmao

oh I haven't seen anyone doing this but maybe they prefer quality over quantity@@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso

A lot of the modifiers come from things u cant get in MP or are sub optimal, for example the idea set

The student like to min max and play with math . Florryworry do not now how to read and why , he is happy enough to fuck the game raw in a submissive state starting with nothing

If you haven't seen his content already I'd recommend the playmaker, he did oirat full annex China in ten years recently that was hella impressive

@Scr4ndalf I saw a lot of videos of Playmaker. He is good but not something exclusive. Definitely better than LudiHistoria, who is just doing very simple things, even me playing better. BudgetMonk is very good, I like him very much, but TheStudent right now is the best. He founds such a rare jems like FlorryWorry does, but can explain it in very simple manner, I am enjoying almost every time

Or take the monument in Japan

Not really this only gets expensive after you are 100% over the FL

@@thestudentYT Hm, then I must've misunderstood the calculation. I'm referring to FL = T + T * R and I thought the first "T" is the base cost just for being above force limit, due to the "weird Paradox maths" :D

@@QBrute_ The calculation shown on screen is specifically referring to how the total cost of the army is calculated. As far as I understand, the base cost being added twice essentially just makes it so that your very first regiment over force limit will, at the bare minimum, cost twice as much as a normal "not over force limit" regiment plus a tiny amount for the "relative number over force limit", with that tiny amount being larger the smaller your force limit. For every regiment above your force limit after the first one, all of your previous regiments that are also over your force limit have their price increased by the new "relative number over force limit". For example, if you had a force limit of 10, and you recruited 11 infantry, your first 10 regiments would be normal cost, and your 11th regiment would cost 0.2 + (0.2*1.1) = 0.42. However, if you then recruited a 12th regiment, the 12th *and* the 11th regiment would both now cost 0.2 + (0.2*1.2) = 0.44. Hope that clears the whole thing up.

@@QBrute_ Yes but this modifier only adds up when I was at 3.2 over my FL... in my Tests for this Formula where I went over my FL only by 100% there it was exactly 2 Times the cost in total... But this cannot be a modifier like 3 times the penalty or something because it is exactly the base maintenance that is missing there and not 1.2 times the maintenance... so in terms of the penalty I am paying 4.2 times the Base cost as penalty even though I am only 3.2 over the FL... and as this cannot be ecplained this has to be "some weird PDX math"

He keeps saying "three times over force limit", but that's wrong. He's actually 2.2x "over" his force limit, and 1x "under" his force limit. So he pays 2.2*2x his "base maintenance" as a penalty, or 4.4x. the "base maintenance" is still paid as is. So the 0.03+9.69 is payed, plus 9.72*4.4 (or 42.79) as penalty, for a total of 5.4x base paid for being 3.2x of full force limit. It just happens that 3.2x force limit, the math for "double it" just happens to match closely with "base+ base(multiply)". In his 100% "over" (or 2x limit total) the penalty is double, because 1*2 is 2. "Add the base" isn't what happens, you're multiplying the percentage "above" the limit of 100%, then multiplying by 2 for the penalty multiplier. Then you apply the multiplier to your entire maintenance cost.

maintenancemaxxing

If I had an enemy :)

1.5 x Force Limit = 2 x Army Maintenance 2.0 x Force Limit = 3 x Army Maintenance 2.5 x Force Limit = 4 x Army Maintenance All they need to do is cap Army Maintenance reduction at 80% and I think that would be enough to balance it. Unit cost reductions are capped at 80% reduction.

No the calculation I did is definetly right as I tested it before where I had exactly 2 times my forcelimit of troops and payed exactly the base maintenance as penalty on top (so exactly 2 times, One time base and one time penalty) You can test it out if you want and you'll see that this is true... The reason why it doesn't work with me while having 3.2 times my FL is literally some PDX math that cannot be understood as with a lot of calculations in Eu4

@@thestudentYT Okay cool, quite interesting really.

​​@@mathewcallaghan8692no, you are right, it's not even a rounding error, you're just missing 0.03 ducats from a 2 stack sieging without a leader not being lumped in with the 9.69 drilling armies. TheStudent's math might still be correct, I'm not really sure because I don't understand his math. He just goes about it in a different way.

But those sweet Monument in the Ottoman Lands wont conquer themselves either... and for that you'll need 300k troops more than 50 ducats per month :)

France has bonuses to great monuments 2 times, and all of them give excellent bonuses, like being the absolute BEAST of anti reformation with the whole europe being protestant (north of it, but still a lot of it), having ideas for 300, etc. Then its easy to take pope forever, with +34 papal auth/year and curia costing way less. Then, taking ottoblob is easy. Especially with a big hunogry​@@thestudentYT

A force limit advisor wouldn't save more in this case, because the additive 10% in a reduction he's already stacked to 80% is actually worth 50%, or around 50 ducats in this example. A 10% force limit advisor would double the "base" cost from ~10 to ~20 ducats (because of losing out on the 10% advisor), then reduce the "over limit" cost from ~40 to ~32, for a total savings of 2 ducats lost. The only time the force limit advisor will save you more is if you're going 10-50% over force limit, AND you're not already stacking maintenance reduction nor force limit% from other sources. Reduction is additive with itself in a good way, while force limit is designed to be brutal if you go slightly over it so going from 2x limit to 1.81x limit isn't 10% savings.

I mean, probably 1540 will be possible like this as well but I didn't tryhard for it... But I made a video on becoming Mil Hegemon with France in the 1500s if you are interested :)

@@thestudentYT Awesome, will check out. The advantage of his approach is that Castile -> Andalusia was not an end-game tag. RIP French tag flipping.

No it's just that Mercs have their own modifiers so if I would recruit 1 Merc Stack right now then it wouldn't be affected by those modifers and I would probably pay like 200 ducats for that one company :)

Sure but if you get both modifiers to -70% then it's also -90% and that is anyways the cap

Did you get higher autonomy?

@@thestudentYT no i will chek it today, but i don't think that's the problem, maybe it could be because i created too many provinces?

If you hover over the Land Maintenance in your Economic Tab

@@thestudentYT Sorry for my stupidity, but I still cannot find it. I see State Maintenance and Army Maintenance, but not my Land Maintinance Modifier

@@korneldekany6689 No Problem, I forget how exactly it was called... I ment Army Maintenance... if you hover over that number of ducats that you pay then you should see the modifiers

@@thestudentYT I don't see a percantage tough, does that mean that is 0?

Probably yes

Yes... I showed you the modifier list in the second half of the video

@@thestudentYT its definetely interesting. I attempted to do something like that with custom nation, but what I found was that my trade income just outscaled it too much. So I wonder which one would be more viable.

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No if you start as Teutonic Order and then become Danzig through the disaster (watch my last video) then you can unlock Militarization way before Tech 10 and without being Prussia at all

@thestudentYT oh I didn't know thank you!