#ecoboost #10speed #expedition #powertrain In this video, I will so you the issues we are having with our 3.5L EcoBoost and 10-speed transmission. If you know someone with an EcoBoost or a 10-speed transmission share this with them!
I own a 2019 Ford Expedition with an extended warranty. Thank Heaven. Same exact transmission failure and slippage as shown on this video. After some difficulty with the dealer, Ford repaired the transmission. Three week repair (literally). Expedition runs perfectly now. It's night and day difference. Smooth upshifts and downshifts at all speeds. Flows for the lower gears to the upper gears and then back to the lower gears. Truly exciting. $2,200 for the extended warranty more than paid for itself. I've now owned a 1996 Ram, 2003 Suburban, 2006 Armada, 2015 Expedition and 2019 Expedition. The Armada was the only vehicle without transmission problems. Every other truck/large SUV had substantial issues, hence why I now purchase the extended warranty.
I have a 2021 f-150 powerboost. Best ride I have ever had. 75,000 miles tyranny trashed. Thankfully bought 150,000 mile warranty. Fixing to sell it and fix up my 2006 gmc sierra with360,000 miles 9n it with no engine or tyranny problems.
I’ve got a 2022 expedition limited , 2wd , with the HO 3.5 and aside from triggering limp mode twice , it’s been flawless on a zfg tune , and good fuel - and is at 62k miles .
This is why I’m getting ready to do a pan drop, filter replacement and fluid refill on my 2019 F-150 with the 10R80. The transmission has been great for me, but I’m gonna service it just to hopefully keep it running smoothly. Several Ford Master Techs on RU-vid strongly advise servicing the 10R80’s every 30K-60K miles, even though Ford doesn’t recommend it until 150K miles.
It sure couldn’t hurt it…. I’m afraid however it’s flawed in design which all the maintenance will not help but perhaps give you more time. I hope you 300k out of it though. Seriously these transmissions are 8k! I’d love it if you would come back and update us in the future!
I've heard that the CDF drum in the 10R80 transmission tends to have problems with a slipping collar. I had the cam phase rattle on my old truck with the 3.5. Luckily was fixed under warranty. Now have a 2.7 Eco and I like it a lot. I miss the power of the 3.5 when towing but the 2.7 seems like a more reliable motor, better on fuel and still moves the truck really well.
The 2.7 is my favorite Ford engine! It's solid, due to towing I have a 3.5 but would rather the 2.7! I have several videos on them! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching.
Thanks for the video. My 2020 Ford Expedition Max with 33k miles was doing the same thing, except it was a more violent type of transition than in your video. Well, the transmission needs to be completely rebuilt. Ford won't replace it, but they will have a technician rebuild it which I am told will take "weeks". Fortunately there is no cost to me d/t warranty, but still it's a major inconvenience.
I have a 2018 Ford F-150 Platinum And the transmission Started to Slip At 84,000 miles. I brought the car used with 30,000 miles The previous owner maintained it Canada. When I purchased it, I purchased it with a warranty. I also had the Cam phasers. Serviced Per the Maintenance bulletin. I've always. Had my vehicle maintained at the dealership. When my vehicle is put in service for oil change a month ago, I would think that the mechanic would also check the transmission fluid, But I was wrong to Assume. When this problem started to occur, I got my car manual and checked it myself and it was bone dry.
Wow! That’s crazy. Have you had anything done to the transmission with your warranty? Our expedition is still in the shop. The replacement part is backordered.
If you had flushed your 10R80 trans every 30,000 miles like I have it wouldn’t be low on fluid and slipping. Sorry, you can’t just drive and forget. They need maintenance.
Ford destroyed their reputation with this transmission and the real issue is they keeping shipping " here in Australia " all their new Ranger and Everest with only this transmission available. Better Ford does something about soon but seems they are experts of poor choices. And still not recall for this transmission they just refuse to admit that it's a faulty project. I don't see them as a big and trusted company as they used to be, sadly!
There is always bugs with new technology. Hopefully they have improved from the 2019 model we have. I just got a new f150 with the 10-speed. I guess I'll find out if they have resolved the issues. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching!
It’s the blow off valve, I have a 2.7L,my little wrench 🔧 came on to take it to auto zone and a code will pop up It will tell you that it is a po299,it’s the turbo blow off valve,you have to change it out because it’s stuck,there’s a orange color or red color,sometimes it’s the o ring may have a crack in it,change that out for a new one and should be good,change that one out and get a new one,you can only get it on amazon for 24.00$,you take it to the dealership and they are 80.00$ to 100.00$ I have a 2017 F-150 2.7L ,my brother has a 3.5L and it has done it to and he changed his out to for a new one and we had no problems whatsoever since then,try that out first and if it does it again then you probably have a lemon,a bad motor,stop taking it to the dealership,unless it keeps doing it
We have a 2019 Ford Explorer with 73,000 miles. Trans was slamming in and out of gears. Took it in the ford they tore it down got a call the pan was full of metal. Fighting with ford to pay to replace it. Can’t believe they can’t warranty the power train for 100k miles.
We are also fighting for a replacement. They want the dealership to rebuild it however it would cost Ford more to rebuild then replace. I would prefer a replacement rather than a rebuild due to the complexity of the 10speed. Let me know if you get some resolution. I’ll do an update video once I get a resolution.
Have an ‘18 f-150 5.0. Two weeks after the time of the 5 year warranty, but with only 57k miles, it started banging gears and slipping in 4/7/9. 1st dealer trip, they reset the adaptive learning for $125 and didn’t do a test drive, so within 1/4 mile I knew it didn’t help. 2nd trip they said the valve body had to be replaced for $1600. After 5 days, they called to say it didn’t fix it at all, I still had to pay the bill, and that I need a new transmission. Ford corporate won’t touch it. First and last Ford I’ll own. At this point I just want to sell it without losing my butt
I really wanted a ford Eco Boost 3.5 as the torque was intoxicating. After learning that GM as lifts issues and fords have Cam phaser and transmission issues. I went went with a Ram sport GT. Ram also have there problem with the Hemi tick however it only occurs to high idling engines.
I had a very similar problem with my transmission in my 2017 f150 with the 3.5 ecoboost and 10 speed. I bought the truck used with roughly 64,000 miles on it and it was great for the first two months but then I noticed a harsh down shift going from 4th to 3rd when coming to a stop. Brought it to a ford dealership that was close to my dads work. They said I needed a new valve body. So they put one in and reset the adaptive learn(most likely the cause of the harsh down shift). it seemed to fix it. Around 1-2 months goes by and my transmission starts to try to shift from 10th to 1st gear any time I get on the interstate or above 70 mph and it would randomly shift through gears 6,7,8,9 at that same speed and limit the max gear to gear number 9 and it would also rise to temperatures of 210-222 degrees. One time it did attempt to shift from 10th to 1st at 70 mph and it made a horrible clunk and the little wrench came up on my screen. It wasn’t successful in the shift because my engine was not harmed but transmission was toast. so I took it back to the dealership that put the valve body in and they said I had frictional damage in my transmission. So they put another transmission in it. And 3 months later it continues to do the same exact thing. And like I said it would only do it on the interstate. I could drive under 65 mph anytime I wanted to. I’ve been battling this for over a year now. In the last 4-5 months it started busting the pan of the transmission along side the all the other issues. And now my chaotic shifts started happening at regular speeds. So this time I took it to a ford dealership with a very reputable master transmission tech and they’re going to tear down the transmission to find the problem. My situation is similar to yours but like I said I didn’t start having problems with it until the dealership installed a valve body in it. I actually took it to the mountains with no problems and even did a lot of interstate driving with it before they put the valve body in. But If you figure out anything on yours please reply to me and if my dealership gets to me with a solution before yours does then I will do the same for you.
Wow…. I’ve been told valve body as well. But I’m hoping for a complete rebuild. There is no way all that clunking around didn’t harm internals. The shop still has it and we do not have an eta for getting it back. Thankfully we have a loaner while we wait! Please keep me updated and I’ll do the same as I learn more on ours. Thanks for watching!
I have reset the adaptive drive setting twice with ForScan software. It clears up for a while and then the shimmy comes back from 3 to 5th gear on moderate of slow acceleration.
This is crazy because that’s exactly what’s happening to my f150 2020 3.5 ecoboost. Same exact thing and ford dealership said it was that transmission aux pump and they changed it and it drove good for 3-4 days and then the wrench sign came back up and it was down shifting really rough. Same thing you described. I literally have the same same issue.
Been having the same 4 to 3 downshift clunk since purchasing my 2017 f150 @ 48k miles. Also when flooring it on the highway to get around a semi in a one lane road, it clunked, lost all power, and then resumed power with no check engine lights. It makes you question how durable this transmission will be in the long run. And after reading your post it makes me question going down the rabbit hole of repairs. Our local ford dealership has a back log of service appointments so large that the dealership wont even schedule a service appointment with you. Only a waiting list is available to schedule an appointment. Wonder if the transmission will grenade before they give me a call.
Friend, exactly the same thing happens to me but the temperature rises to 230 f, my question for you, can I solve the temperature problem? Of the 4 mechanics who have seen my car, they tell me that I have to change the selenoid. They give me the code in the box for P07e6-00, and also the p0430 catalytic converter, the changes in the transmission sometimes take longer to change. Everything when I start the car between 20 and 40 miles I have to go slow because if not it doesn't change, if I go slow it changes and after passing 40 miles per hour it moves better but not perfect.
Wife's 2018 Expedition is now in the shop needing a transmission rebuild at 85,000 miles. I could buy a small country for what it will cost to fix. It started with all the problems you had then continued to get worse and worse until we lost reverse.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 To get a NEW transmission was a little over $6000 BUT we would be #186 on the wait list in TEXAS not the US just in TEXAS to get one. I could be months and months. The other option was a rebuild that will run around $8500 because there are only a few suppliers with the parts and they are currently sky high. It has been 3 weeks and still waiting. I shopped these prices around with different repair shops and they were all in the same ballpark.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 He said the drum is what they are waiting for. Ford has ramped up production so all the parts going to new builds, not for repairs. The suppliers that do get them are asking and arm and sometimes a couple of legs as with all the parts.
I had two different Ford Transit Connect fail on me at my job, the third one sooner failed on my coworker. The transmission will flutter, then starts to shift hard. I assume these transmissions get stuck in 3rd gear. Because you have to floor the gas pedal for about a minute to start moving forward, but good luck backing up in reverse. These Transit Vans were brand new with only 100k miles.
Terrible... The days of 150k transmissions are over... At least till technology figures out what's going in with all these transmissions. We have the expedition back after being rebuilt; it only took six months.
2018 f150 5.0 10-speed 112,569miles, trans was shifting somewhat rough, other day was driving and the truck jumped from 7 to 3 and I had to pull over. The check wrench came on, I put it in drive and no gears but truck would drive under Low power. Ran codes, codes came back as P061A P062C P0720 P0722 P0791 P0793 P27B6 U3014 Took it to dealer ship to see what they said, said with all codes I would need a whole new trans mission unit and corresponding 4x4 transfer case.
Dang I hate that for you. I’m going to be honest too. Our expedition is still on the shop. They told my wife they have over a 100 ford vehicles to work on. There is also a shortage of these transmission parts likely due to supply chain and demand. I hope they get you rolling soon. I’ll update everyone when I find out more.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 what city you live in if you don’t mind me asking? Got a call they said it should take 2 weeks max to get the whole new transmission and 4x4 transfer case
I’ve heard that the adaptive learning software can cause shifting problems, especially when bought used and the software has adapted to original owners driving patterns. Some are saying to clear that software and the transmission will relearn a shifting pattern. Anyone else heard of this?
I have heard this but we had mechanical failure… it’s now at its second dealership. The closest dealership has had it since early December. I’ll will update the group when we get it fixed!
my 2020 10 speed did the same thing, going 70mph and it would drop out of gear then catch 7 or 8. It started doing it after the trans oil was changed at 35,000. The odd shifts would spit oil out the vent too. After a trans relearn and dbl check fluid it hasn't done it. Trans fluid and filter getting changed again in a cpl weeks at 75k so we'll see if it's a fill issue.
Same thing happened to our expedition with 30,000miles last week on our way to san diego. Had to tow it back to phoenix. Dealer is replacing the transmission.
Its a 2022 limited. Recently had to replace the passenger side headlight due to water getting inside and shorting the control module. Luckily I was able to return the $1800 headlight assembly. This repair involved disassembling pretty much the whole front end, drying out the housing, and installing the new module. After re-assembly, I had to program the new module with Forescan. Just a friendly FYI incase this happens to anyone. Im not a car guy so it took a lot of research to figure it out. I was able to do this repair for less than $300 rather than over $3000 that a dealer was going to charge.
@@christopheradam3260 Wow, I wonder if the dealer damaged your headlight (bumped) while replacing your transmission?? That would be easy to do, yet hard to prove!
My 2018 F150 special edition does the same shifting stupidness, also started right at 70K/50000 miles. When you take a left hand turn and lose all power in the opposing lane for a few seconds as the truck "thinks" about what to do is both scary and a very real safety issue. When your at a red light and it "thinks" it should be 7th gear you really annoy the drivers behind you when you need to take three seconds to throttle it up enough for it to finally clunk back into first, then clunk again into 3rd once you start rolling. I have replaced the valve body as the dealer recommended to no avail. I don't drive hard, I'm a Dad, not a younger bro.
Sorry to hear this… did the valve body not resolve the issue? We ultimately had to have ours rebuilt. It doesn’t fell the same as it did from the factory but it goes to the right gears for now…
The dealership is fighting Ford ESP right now to get a brand new transmission instead of rebuilding it… fingers crossed on a new one! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching!
Wanted to buy a new f-250, …….not any more…..think I’ll just keep driving my 2002 f-350 7.3L with 400,000+ miles on it ( original motor/ transmission) good luck fellas!!👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am having same situation. I have a 19 Expedition XLT with roughly the same mileage you have. Cam phasers started acting up after recall period ended. 2k to replace phasers. I called Ford and complained to them. They would only agree to pay 700 of the repair. Guess its better than nothing. Then this weekend, while driving on highway, feel a violent jolt and car slows down and displays the powertrain system fault. Car went to limp mode, no power. I have an appointment at Ford dealer this morning for this recent event. Still waiting on parts for cam phaser replacement.
Sorry to hear that… yeah ford crapped the bed on the 2018-2020s. Tons of trans mission issues! The repair isn’t cheap either. My wife is glad to have her expedition back though.
Still waiting on parts for cam phaser repair. They hooked up diagnostic and said there were no codes to indicate a problem. I decided to leave it with them a few days to drive to see if they can figure out.
I have 2021 same thing its started with kick from 3 to 5 up shifting and down shifting and now the problem is developed to if you drive 60 miles and you accelerate the transmission will go crazy and down shift to first gear for 10 seconds then will be normal
Seems the transmission issues are not only reserved for the 10 speed. My 2019 Edge SEL with 36k miles and the 8 speed is doing some weird jerk in the highway when going up and down speeds of 30mph to 50mph. Took it to the dealership hoping a transmission update would fix it. Dealership said it needs new torque converter and valve body. Parts are back ordered and I’m still driving it. Ford is paying for it though. It sucks cause I bought it used back in March with just 32k miles and it’s the first car I bought.
I have a 2019 ford expedition xlt. Had rhat recall done and now experiencing that jerk or hard shifting. My ac has gone out aa well. It only under 70.000 miles.
@@penelope.1904 wow! That's crazy! Thankfully we have not had any HVAC issues. We did have to replace a ABS module around 60k miles. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching! Keep us updated!
I also have a 2020 Ford and I am having problems with the transmission, from 20 to 40 mph it takes a long time to make the changes and I have to press the pedal lightly because if not it makes a very ugly noise in the transmission, after that speed passes it revs better but not perfect, if I put it in sport mode the transmission slips the changes and it is terrible if I put it in eco too, but if I put it in normal mode the changes are better, apart from that the transmission heats up when I use sport mode, Even though I'm looking for someone who has the same problem and has solved it, I don't know what the best solution would be. A mechanic told me that the valve body needs to be changed, another tells me that the scanner shows P076E-00 and he told me that the selenoid had to be changed but he couldn't tell me which selenoid, I'm desperate because I work with that car, yes Can anyone tell me what I can do, I would appreciate it.
Still in the shop… valve body was on backorder for it but now I’m hearing they are doing a complete rebuild. This isn’t official but what I’ve been told by a couple mechanics at the dealership. I’ll update everyone asap.
I got the extended o. My 18 F150 and the second time the phasers went out they were covered. Trans hard shifts 9-8, 8-9 when towing. They want me to show up at the dealership with boat in tow to duplicate!😢
@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 They replaced the phasers the first time with the crappy design. The latest fix was the '21 updated design. Let's hope it holds up! GM is not having near the issues with the 10sp trans.
@@jimshu245 I have a 23 F150 fingers crossed it doesn't have future issues like this... My wife's expedition seems to be doing well with the new cams phasers and rebuilt transmission; time will tell.
My wife and I have a 2018 Expedition Limited that we bought back in January of 2019, used. It now has 59780 miles and was 6 months out of powertrain warranty when we sent it to a dealership in Texas. That was in May of this year. It is still there, waiting on backordered parts. Apparently Ford can crank out new vehicles, but not 10R80 valve bodies... Ridiculous
We have a 2020 Expedition Max and at 66k miles had to have the transmission fixed for the same issues. But now the troubles with the transmission are starting again….. Ford tech told us this is the worst transmission Ford has ever used.
Our 2020 Exp Max is now experiencing this. We only have 33k miles on ours. I appreciate this video, because I can now show them exactly what we are experiencing. however, ours is a bit more violent than this video. Feels like the entire front is going to drop on the ground.
I’ve had 2) 5.0s, 3) 3.5, and 1)2.7 other than the cam phasers the newer 3.5 are pretty solid. My 23 f150 has the 3.5 with the new cam phasers which are supposed to be better. Time will tell. Regardless I’ll have an extended warranty on that truck. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching.
By the way, I like your picture. I hope American starts looking to the “cross.” The more American turns from God the more evil we will see…. Good thing he’s coming soon.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 thanks brother You know a lot of times I repeat this verse found in revelation…..” for there shall be no pain anymore for the former things have passed away “… Goosebumps
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 I don’t know a lot about other than 5.0 (4 trucks so far) but I hear about issues on eco boost that’s all My current one has that cylinder deactivation so Hod know how reliable will it be
sounds like 10r80 CDF drum failure, they are starting to have class action lawsuit and the transmission has a new part to fix. This should be on ford to help you out. Research the CDF Drum issue.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 You're welcome, also calling the Ford Customer Support line just have your vin ready they can be surprisingly helpful. They have covered repairs for me in the past.
Long time no see. You didn't mention if you checked for Codes and what was the fluid like, burnt? I have a 2015 withe the 6 speed. I have changed the transmission fluid and filter 2 times in 81K miles. No Issues. In the old days you were supposed to change it every 30K miles. I still do. Did you change yours recently?
Hey there! I can not find my code reader… I thought I wouldn’t need it with all these new vehicles we have. 😂 I have not serviced the transmission as it is recommended but not required. I’m not sure servicing the transmission would have prevented this though. I will ask the techs when the transmission gets replaced/repaired and will do maintenance on the replacement based on what they say. However I’m a little skeptical of all the “flushes” and possible unnecessary fluid change outs due to dealerships taking advantage of people. It’s always good to hear from you! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for continuous support. I’ll update as I found out more from the dealership next week.
@@theoverdriveconsumerchanne4424 I do all maintenance myself. I got burnt back in 2000 on a trans flush on my 88 Turbo Coupe, (Loved that car). I always do oil/fluid and filter myself as a hobby and for peace of mind. Remember - Fluid is cheap. Let us know what they find out, we want to know. :)
55 years rebuilding transmissions. 10 speed is a GOOD transmission. There are 2 or 3 mechanical problems that have been overcome. Extended warranty won't help you at all on the trans. Real problem is the software that operates it. Over 15 000,000 lines of computer info to operate the vehicle. Phasers are updated. Change oil regularly! Please stop calling it a bad trans. We like them! Cobb trans programmers will sell you a box to flash and reset your computer. Two minute job. Some day Ford/GM will get software complex enough for long term continuous operation.
I like the transmission by what you achieve with it but it is flawed as configured from the manufacturer. We should not have had a failure at 74k miles.
Made a video on mine failing at 57k. (Seems to be a common mileage amount) and gee wiz, my reman has some slight harsh shifting into second, and it flares into 4th. Way too many forums and RU-vid videos on this garbage trans failing in mass numbers to be called “a good trans”
there's a reason there's a class action lawsuit for this transmission. in most of these reports of issues, there's mechanical damage and no software can repair that. to add, the extended warranty is helping the people as it is replacing destroyed transmissions, but only for them to fail again. if you read other comments, you'll see people who have had the program reset only for the transmission to die. if the software is all that is causing the issues, it is still a terrible design as the software is part of it. what are the mechanical problems that have been overcome? may i please ask for you to explain why you made such a claim that it is a good transmission, such as mileage numbers without issues, what can be done to prevent it, what to do if someone has one, etc?
@bjornegan6421 I'm gonna bet you've never rebuilt a transmission. Class action lawsuit is for money. If the software downshifts into 1st gear at 60 mph you're gonna have internal damage. Basic design is very good overall. Just a few aftermarket mods will fix it. One drum, one piston, and a cup plug in the output shaft fix most of them unless the computer blew it up. Few other items and all high mileage aluminum valve bodies are subject to wear. We have tooling to repair and oversize valves. Lots of good people read this stuff wanting to learn but no mechanics to write these articles. Hydramatic came out in Oldsmobile in 1938 and they had problems. Every trans since then always has problems the first several years till we get it figured out but we've fixed every one of them.
Ford has been kinda takin a dump lately. Coming from a guy who's owned 5 different Fords. Mine have all always been trouble-free, but I know for a fact I can expect transmission issues with my 21 10 speed. So far it's been fine, but I'm just waiting for the CDF drum to fail. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd consider another car brand, but I see so many issues with these damn 10 speeds among some other things that I'm losing my faith in a brand that I really want to love.
I'm ford fan too but like you I'm considering my options. But really everyone sucks right now. What can you go with these days and not have to worry about issues in the near future. GM trans and liffter issues, Ram… ahhh would like better than a GM but… Toyota is working out major engine issues right now.
Problems with the 6 speed? Those aren’t as common (as far as I know) as the 10-speed issues. 2018-2019 models are largely impacted by the 10-speed transmission issues.
I have a 2018 F150 2.7, with 65k and I’m just noticing a whining noise when I hit 6,7,8,9. After seeing these comments it’s time to say goodbye to Ford. Never again. Done
I understand the frustration. To be honest every manufacturer has issues. Definitely don’t recommend going with GM… if I were going to make the switch I’d go RAM.
Also those warranties are great but many of times they don't give a rental unless the dealership has a program. If the warranty does give you a rental they will wait until diagnosis then do an allotment for a period of time regardless how long Ford takes to repair. These vehicles are trash.
I paid extra for the loaner when I bought the extend warranty. It’s still in the shop by the way. The diagnosis is bad valve body. They can’t currently find one. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching!
@The Overdrive Consumer Channel No problem I went to Toyota in 2018 and haven't thought ever coming back. Some Fords are great but anything with a turbo is trash. The f250 with 6.2 is probably only Truck I would buy now new.
I agree. I have one of those sitting in my driveway. Honestly, I think it’s cheaper to buy new before 60k then keeping and paying off. Pretty sad reality all together these days.
Why would you continue to own such a problematic vehicle . I'd be trading that thing in asap for a better quality and more reliable make ... Maybe a Sequoia?
I understand why you would Question that. We will get another vehicle (the new sequoia is definitely an option) once the 125k warranty goes out! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching!
