The thing people should get out of watching these vids is not arm and hand movement of each player, or even unit turn, but something much more simple and common to all: 1. loading on back leg and frankly (for right handers) right butt while maintaining wide enough base; 2. using stomach core area to unleash the backside load by semi swiveling; and then 3. using chest muscles to pull semi upwards to further unleash load transferred to stomach core and further transfer this load to the swinging forehand shoulder and biceps. Everything else about the forehand (“unit turn”, to “pat the dog” or not, “racket held high” or not, etc., etc) frankly is either individualistic stylism, incidental to the physics of striking the ball, or a secondary epiphenomenon to the first three key steps to ball striking. See for yourself: look at video once again but pay attention to: backside load, stomach core, then chest muscle. Once you get this, then you too will not only hit with more power but with more elegance too, because now you are making sure your body doesn’t get in the way of striking the ball but also moves in a way to correctly transfer load / power through the kinetic chain. Also: two things to NOT get out of these vids is (1) unit turn and (2) trying to decide which forehand swing style to emulate. With respect to “unit turn”, the so called unit turn is a secondary affect of having executed back side load and prepared stomach core. If you instead focus on unit turn independent of backside load and core, you will experience what I call power leakage. So…do not worry about “unit turn”… this will happen anyways. As for swing paths …. you will naturally develop your own swing path that is an intimate outgrowth of your own physics, if you stick to the 1, 2, 3 keys to ball striking. You can NOT simply import someone else’s swing path via emulation. Also, too much focus on the arm and swing path independent of 1, 2, and 3 risks experiencing yet another power leakage. As the great tennis technician Mark Kovacs, in talking about the importance of maintaining the kinetic chain, says, “power flows through the arm and is not created by the arm.” In short, when striking a forehand, think of hitting the ball as if you are hitting the ball with your core and especially chest muscle, not your arm.
As a shorter guy(172cm) I always searched for videos of guys like Diego, Ferrer, Davydenko. Solid forehands, great power off the ground using the legs and hips, amazing footwork.
@@commondirtbagz7130 Swing speed on forehands, you're right. I'm looking moreso on the swing path, grip and contact point, which are different for shorter players.
Thanks for the best tapes for the next gen forehands .I love to see for my games.Even many players but these forehands are so beautiful hard strong powerfully and teach me in the right ways.Thanks for ten thousands times.
Medvedev in slow motion looks just as ridiculous as he does in regular speed. It just shows you can sometimes throw text book away and still be awesome...
Na it’s textbook forehand to me. Does he load on the right leg? Yes Does he utilize shoulder muscle rather than elbow and wrist ? Yes Does he use conventional grip ? Yes probably semi western. His finish and bent elbow are personal preference . It doesn’t affect performance much . Probably it looks weird because of his heigt, long hand, and finish around his neck.
@@ST-ek6lf exactly. The only two things that look weird are his takeback and his finish. But the fundamentals are perfect as with every other top player
So true lol. I remember watching him before he made it to the ATP and watching him after hearing all this hype and watching his forehand and I was like...what is this??? He just looked so gangly and awkard and his strokes looked so unnatural. He's the #1 player right now, so obviously it's working for him lol.
@@finnarhelger7471 The "takeback" and the "finish" are like 70% of the technique lol. No one is going to say he has great technique. Obviously it works for him, but to say his "fundamentals" are "perfect" is just idiotic.
@@coryCuc you shouldn't be so offensive. The takeback and finish are both important elements of the stroke. But it's not like if Meddy is doing those wrong. His takeback is very high. That's not wrong at all. And it isn't surprising since he's such a skinny guy, even if he's a professional athlete. So it's obvious that he must have been even skinnier as a kid/teen which explains why he needed to have a higher takeback in order to compensate his lack of strength. He also has a really unusual finish, which is very high aswell. I don't know any other pro who finishes that high (when playing with full intensity, I know that some players catch their racket high above their shoulder when they play really slow in practice sessions). But tbh the height of the finish isn't as important as many people think. Topspin is created, when the racket is moving from low to high before contact. Finishing high over the shoulder, as many coaches still teach, may help beginners to have that low to high swingpath, but players such as Monfild, Kyrgios and Sock are an great example that the height of the finish doesn't really matter as long the racket travels upwards into contact. And what are the fundamentals I was talking about? Medvedev is using a semi-western grip, like 70% of the pros do. The first thing that happens after realising where the ball is going is a slight shoulder turn, where his non hitting hand stays at the throat of the racket. Then he sets up his feet. Next he will take back the racket completely and than the racket will drop and accelerate towards the contact point. At contact his right shoulder is slightly in front of his left. ... the only things that are unorthodox are THE HEIGHT of his takeback and finish!!!! and both don't really matter, as long the timing and swingpath are correct. Sorry if my english isn't perfect, greetings from Germany
Not at all. His has two unorthodox stylistic elements: his takeback and finish. Apart from that he's using a Semi-Western (as 70% of the pros) and hits with a bent arm (as 95% of the pros). He starts the stroke with slightly turning his shoulders and hits with his right shoulder slightly in front of the left at the moment of contact, as all professionals do.
@@finnarhelger7471 okay so you literally said he has only two unorthodox elements, the take back and finish…so literally the entire shot then? And don’t tell me his grip and acceleration are the same because you can’t even hit a ball without those.
It always catch my eyes how unstable Rublev’s racquet face is after contact. That doesn’t mean it's bad since he have obviously one of the most lethal forehand out there. Just curious to know what’s the difference(racquet spec, tightness of the grip at the contact, point of the contact on the racquet face, and etc.) and how it translates to his super forehand.
as an intermediate Im learning ....how short their strokes are..the camera angle shows Carlos makes contact right in front and the racquet immediately spins around his body!!!
All the power is generated starting starting with mass transfert from the legs and then hips rotation and finally racquet head speed, master those 3 movements in succession and you will have fast paced shots. Also their racquets are more heavy then standard one you can buy in store, i modified my Pure Aero from 305grams standard to 340 strung and the stability and ease of access to power is noticeable.
In all these analysis, we should see how natural it's the drive hit and how effective. Technically Dimitrov has an Orthodox technique but we shouldn't have expect that Daniil changes his way to hit if in his case is natural (healthy) and in the most surfaces is clearly superior, perhaps except clay court, where he absolutely should try to hit with more top spin. We have to teach a healthy technique and every player will move their way to hit to a natural and comfortable position.
Only Khachanov Shapovalov and Tsitsipas do not break out the wrist, but at the same time the heel of the racket looks at the ball perfectly Stop down to break the wrist in unnatural way to learn it for many years this breakout. Thanks to the Kyrgios he open this movement But He and Sock are not in the selection. The video is great
Now we all know that an ever perfect forehand must be not only stylistic throughout its shape and loose but powerful and safe, super consistent, penetrating, hurt the opponent and the player must be capable of direct it in almost every situation especially the tough ones. And the only guy who meets all these conditions is Carlos Alcaraz even above the Great Roger Federer.
@@ManagerMia He he he you've waited for the boat to leak to sting on him Yes I guess everybody's noticed his great fh is sinking down maybe he's between 50-50 / 65-35 in average errors the last months. In my humble opinion his way of hitting is so massively agressive loading all of his body on the ball that it neccessarily must require 120% 😊 of a perfect synced kinetic chain with the ball all the time. And CA looks like started to lose it somehow. The confidence it that shot. Like not even a minute flaw or say sudden adjustment is permitted otherwise he seems to miss his forehands everywhere. On the run is patent yes. Some may be woww but most aren't what used to be or just errors What's your view?
@@ruggierojerolli it's still a great forehand....he's probably very tired as well! Getting to the end of the season, and he has reached quite a few finals....i am sure JCF will shore up the running forehand.
except for Medvedev, everybody copied the simple, short compact "tap the dog" racket preparation a la Federer. As far as I remember, he was the first to hit it that way. Now with slight modification of grip and racket head angle, everybody hits the forehand the same way, forehands got bigger than in the BIG 3 era. Federer Fear Forehand lost the edge, his movement lost the edge years before. No chance of a GS any more for him, I guess.
Agree but not because of his fh but because the younger guys are amazingly fit. Technique and tactics are still there but RF doesn’t has that explosiveness like before. Same thing with Stan.
To be honest, this is untrue. Let's start with the grip: Ruud uses a grip between semi western and western. Nadal uses one between eastern and semi western. Might not sound like a hige difference, but it really is. There are more but I'll save that for another time.
Interesting video, but NO REC PLAYER should try to imitate these guys. Cuz 98% of rec players don't practice or drill or have the youth to swing hard. Besides, once you get past 4.0 with all your effort you'll have hardly anyone to play with. DON'T PRACTICE! LOL!😳
