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I would like to nominate Shen as a paladin by your definition of what a paladin class does. Also you have Ornn that provides item upgrades for its team, while holding its own.

THANK YOU! i’ve heard taric be described as a cleric and everyone agreeing and it drove me wild because he’s the only paladin in the game.

I was really really REALLY hoping Bel'Veth would be a true summoner champion, someone who basically focuses primarily on the summons themselves and a lot less on the actual character, she felt so incredibly fitting with the whole Lavender Sea thing, her lil fishies and the fact that she just looked like your almost stereotypical "big villain who has underlings" character, but that didnt end up being a thing at all. I love summoners in pretty much any game that has them and while i honestly get that getting killed by potentially AI controlled creatures can be frustrating, i could list a whole bunch of bullshit champs as a counter point. I think what Riot could do is make a summoner who doesnt really have an ultimate but similar to stance switchers uses the ultimate key for the summons abilities, also kinda like how you chose an ult for Heimer, simply pressing R and then Q W E for whatever you want them to use. That would bring in a big micro management factor which will probably very much distinguish good from bad summoner players. Maybe one day, after Viego or Aphelios i think anything can happen at this point

We kinda need more summoner champs in the game.

To be honest easy fix for Yorick would be just give his W "upon destruction spawn graves". The amout is depened on ability level

the more control a champ gives you the harder they become. annie doesnt need to focus on tibbers any more than pressing who to target, so she can more focus on her own positioning, if she had control over tibbers like azir soldiers it would definitely be harder to play

Just imagine Invoker from Dota 2 jumping into League. Then remember Dota is a game where everything is bullshit to balance the other guy's bullshit. What class could he be other than specialist (guy litteraly has 10 spells and a passive that flexes between 10 shapes)

Hey Vars, I think a great place to take your channel would be to give examples with reworks / new champion kits. Your content tends to stay in the theoretical and I think it would really help your channel to either partner with artists/designers to having some working prototype for what X champion would look like.

I'll be honest, I'd love to see a specifically "Summoner" champion adopting the idea of the Lost Vikings in Heroes of the Storm. Each ability corresponds to a minion type, hmm, minus W, let's only make it 3 minions so that it's not too confusing. Let's start with the basics of all minions. They'd stick with this champ at all times, or at least try to. Maybe they spread out and damage all enemies around you if you don't attack anything, but if you attack, they focus fire, if you move, they move there too. If you flash, they'll regroup on you and teleport to your location. The minions, Q corresponds to a small minion, or rather, lets say four of them, they do PITIFUL damage, they're mainly meant like a chihuahua, biting at your heels. Procs on them are less powerful and shorter duration, and they're mainly meant to chip away at enemies over time. They're fast though, if you input to move somewhere, they'll get there first, though they can't get TOO far from their champ. R minion would be like Yorick's... Karen. Big, Bulky, a monster. And dangerous, and tanky. The catch? Slow, as, molasses. If you move from a lane to another your R minion will take a while and you'll be limited in your power for a while. Then how does it work in teamfights? Your E minion, about the same speed as you, it's job is to CC enemies so that your R minion can catch them. Maybe Q minion has a slow, while E minion has a knock-up or stun or catapult to get them into R range. Your W would then be a defensive buff to your team, say, everyone gets a shield. (Note; minions and champ, not allies, or the allied shield is much weaker) and your entire posse regroups on you. Getting attacked? Fall in. Trying to catch up to an enemy, ghost/flash then W to bring everyone (R minion included) to them. Long cooldown to make up for it. Now, do you press these skills to summon your minions? Nope, they're passives tied to that skill. Instead the buttons order an attack from that minion. A powerful R, a CC based E, a fast lunging Q, but to pair with that, the minions follow different "Tactics" based on that ability. Lets say you just R'd, you probably want someone dead, so they group up and everyone dogpiles that enemy getting an attack speed buff. You used your long range Q? You're trying to catch someone, so everyone gets speed and listens to your orders attentively. You just pressed W? You're in danger, they stick RIGHT by your side and focus ANYTHING attacking you. You used E? Then you're trying to drag someone to your R minion, so let's increase the CC effects. It'd be easy to fail with a champ like this. But then again, I'd take a fun champ over a powerful one any day. It's why I don't play Annie.

here's a puppet idea, like Elise you have your R from the beginning and with R you can leave your main body stationary and untargetable while you control the puppet with new abilities of his own, it would be like Yone's soul split ability, give the puppet it's own health bar while in puppet mode, to not make it op make it so that your main body takes half the damage the puppet takes and after it's destroyed it's left on a long cool down

as a neeko player, i have an extra five keys binded for unique summoner interaction (aka her passive transformations), that could also be used but I would see why they wouldn't want to

theres a summoner in blizzards moba that was actually good. they used the attack move to control the summon. so you would give up attack move and one of your abilities to give your summon an ability to use and yourself 2. it would be its own free moving unit, not leashed to you

seperate controlls for units ... i mean meepo comes to mind from dota2 ... it would involve a lost of micro but its not unaccievable within the limitations of the base

Isn't Shen a puppet master of sorts?

Honestly I think imo a conceptually good summoner design could be something like Elise where she has 2 forms but instead of r changing form it rotates ur currently minion and it's abilities and than maybe at level 6 u can choose to evolve an ability similar to getting khazix r

13:16 You know, I believe there's another 5v5 multiplayer online battle arena that has kinda figured out the Paladin Class and the Summoning class for a while now Just saying

Crazy idea: “shapeshifting” Paladin champ whose ult lets him switch between forms that trade supportive stats for offensive ones and vice versa? With QWE remaining basically the same between forms, but say his CC goes from melee to ranged, a shield changes from selfcast only to the opposite, something like that.

Something I think that would be interesting in league would be a character like ying from paladins, she’s kind of like heimerdinger but support based, she summons illusions that can heal nearby players and that she can also teleport to or detonate to deal a large amount of damage, I think she would be interesting to port over because of the idea that you can summon things to heal for you while you do dmg,though paladins is an fps so it’s very different from league

I think another champion like Orianna or Azir would be a great addition to league. I honestly thought Vex would be that 3rd one but she ended up as an AP nocturne imo

Old taric was your answer against ad-heavy teams and his aura was always a good thing to have when going agaijst stuff like zed who has AoE AD shreds or even yasuo who has his Q that goes throught everything. Also his old W made you relevant when dealing with other tanks. Now hes exclusively support and if you ever see him outside botlane it's because his numbers are too strong or some new item works too well on him. I just hate how riot copes to this day with their "auras are bad lmao" and then release nilah with an experience aura.

Now I dont play league so I dont know the full extent of the control scheme but if they need more buttons, one option is the way battlerite did it with having alternate effects if you held down shift when using the ability. It would still require some work to make an intuative layout but it would allow something like "Q to summon and shift + Q to move summon to location"

League should have long ago adopted the Dora unit control system imo. Summoner heroes like dotas visage, warlock and Chen can be all about controlling thei summons and still be flexible enough to pilot

I have an idea for summoners that can make them a bit more interesting, we can borrow an ability swap from shapeshifters to summoners. once the summon has been summoned. your summoning skill button(in this case will be R button) will also change to control swap button. now if you want to control said summon you can press R to swap control to that summon with their own QWE skill.

Isn't Kayle a Paladin. She is a powerful fighter that offers powerful supportive abilitys for her team (that she'll usually use on herself).

Would Kayle count as a sort of paladin since she's a damaged focused champ with supportive tools (her W and ult) who is based around being holy and just?

As someone who came to league from dota I feel like summons are done much better in dota. You have complete control over almost all summons in game. Because of that they are able to add a bounty to summons, a not insignificant amount of gold and xp for killing that summon which incentivizes players to use summons carefully. And because of the bounty summons are allowed to be more powerful with they’re own abilities in some cases. In dota you select summons by clicking on them or with preset key binds for example select all controlled units and while I typically didn’t play summoners controlling summons was very doable. Not easy but definitely doable and I don’t feel like every champions should be able to be played by everyone. It isn’t necessary for every champ to be easy and quick to learn What I don’t like about league is that there is no direct downside to spamming summons or just sending them in to die. The enemy gets nothing for talking down either one big summon or lots of little ones. In dota if you spam summons in lane and the enemy is killing them you will fall behind in gold and xp which is why I hate that some summons are passives in league. If you don’t have control over summons then you can’t add the bounty to them and it’s really annoying to play against because you get nothing for dealing with more. Anyways that’s my rant on summons in league. I honestly feel like dota is better balanced than league in most cases and would still play it if my friends did but alas nobody plays the game

I call Yoricks's summon Granny. "Leave Granny alone you monsters!" is a common thing I yell.

My favorite archetype in any game is summoner but specifically swarm summoners so them being basically nonexistent in League has always disappointed me

the new item that heals ur entire team basically gives the paladin subclass to whatever juggernaut u play it on lol

Mastery 7 Taric player here, I got M7 on old Taric and I have about 75k points on him. New Taric isn't awful but it's hella embarrasing to get clapped with the points I have on him bc his rework made him veryyyyyy situational (imo). I feel like if they reverted his rework and just made his stun either longer cd or shorter duration, he would be just fine in today's metas.

Disperious was the last person I thought I’d see in a league of legends video

I consider Lulu a puppet master, since Pix gets repositioned with her E and fires a Q whenever Lulu does. Now the question is whether Yuumi counts as a puppet master too.

when it comes to character archetypes, there's nothing about them that's set in stone, there is a lot of interpretation and personal opinion in the matter. For example, to me the difference beetween puppeteer, summoner or builder is about the degree of control the player has over those extra entities. Puppeteer = full control, the payer can move them and make them attack but they are completely dependent; Summon = medium control, you can give them orders or program their behaviour, but they have a degree of independence; Building = low control, stationary object with an specific task they do automatically (shoot whatever gets close, produce units, produce resources, etc). But that is just my opinion

i would really like more champs who are more complicated and less "1v5-machines"

"Flash on f BTW " lol yes as it should be 🤣🤣

So a Paladin has to be somewhat holy and be able to survive in a solo lane while also being able to contribute to the team? yeah you forgot to mention Soraka as she was a Celestial basically a divine being so definitely on the Holy side. You also have Leona who might be able to fit within actually no Diana fits more as Leona is selfish and only believes in the Sun while Diana keeps trying to convince her that you need both the sun and the moon hell Diana was the only one to go fight the now stolen and revived Aspect of War because she cares about everyone on Targon where as Leona only cares about the Solari and those who follows its teachings. Actually that does makes me ask where would that put Garen? sure he hates magic but he is a warrior of justice and pretty much magic has been the source of all evil on rune terra and Kayle does send her sword down when he ults as there is no way a giant sword falling from the sky is normal

Is Belveth not a summoner

Where's the Draven class? There's actually only one champion who represents it.

A "paladin class" doesn't really sound descriptive of a playstyle but rather a thematic. Even from your description it sounds like nothing but a hybrid between enchanters and tanks. Other champs have overlapping design space in that aspect so I wouldn't single out taric in that respect. Lastly i would say teammates not understanding how to effectively use your kit is a risk of the support class in general even very self sufficient supports like pyke will struggle under this

forgotten champions: rell

Diana is more like a diver-tank hybrid now a day

Caster summons are very doable within the QWER-format. Press R to cast the summon, then press R again to switch to the abilities of the summon. Exactly like the shapeshifters, except instead of your own abilities, it's your summons abilities. Would also work with a permanent pet, which would allow the Beastmaster archetype to flourish.

One thing I miss from Dota 2 is how they were able to manage summoner champs really well, and theres a load of them. Most are really difficult, but its really interesting to watch a good player push them to the limit.

8:38 controlling more characters even with 4 buttons is doable. Hots' Rexxar and Misha are example of this. In Hots it's normal to have "passive" that can be activated so you have 5 buttons but idea is the same. His "passive" is clickable and works as if you right click but with his pet Misha and some skills are used by Misha others by Rexxar. It was hella fun to play. Dota 2 also have multiple summoners but it retains RTS-like control of individual units so it kinda obvious how to control summon/pets.

I know, right? When will they expand the Draven class. There's only one champion in that class. Hmm. I wonder who could it be.

Shen is the closest we have to a Paladin: 1) He is able to hold his own in lane and contribute damage with his Q 2) Gives his allies support with his W and Ult 3) Able to draw aggro and tank for his team with his E Not your stereotypical Paladin clad in golden armor and light but still pretty close to a Paladin in terms of gameplay. I love Paladin classes in games which is why I fell in love with Shen's playstyle the moment I picked him up.

As a yorick main, I officially approve what is said in the video

After watching, Taric's biggest problem is that that his ability to be a warden/enchanter is that it is the reward for a juggernaut combat loop. To make such a juggernaut viable as a support they gave him the mother of all super ults. which just restricts how good they can make his juggernaut loop lest he becomes broken when he gets more than the typical support budget. Imho the ult needs to go for the sake of his kit because it's a crutch that they force him to use because they go about kneecapping him because he's labeled as a support. Then kneecap him again because his crutch incidentally, potentially, and probably could cause the making of a T1000.

Hmm... I believe Malzahar could also be the summoner. And Shen kinda fits with what a paladin is supposed to do. I think the main reason why summoned units are so bad is that if they were more advanced, the game would be far more buggy than it already is. This is so sad- there is plenty of cool ideas lying around that won't be used just because of these limitations.

I think renata was set up to be a sort of puppet master. If her W was changed to instead place her totem somewhere, she could use her q with it to stun, reflect e's, or that could be the source of the ult. When she first came out that's something I wished happened, and it seemed like she was designed to be like that and then they changed her w because it was too much of a headache.

You forgot malzahar. He summons minions as well

Honestly I think Illaoi is more of a constructor than a summoner

I definetely want a modern well designed summoner that would be cool

For paladin classes you can have 2 abilities one for support and other for damage. There you can have character who is good at lane and in tfs (around 11 minute mark) can start to support if top or deal their own damage if sup. Or a form shaper. With one form for supporting an otrher for for dps and you can choose on base or is a perma change similar to kayn

As someone who mains summoners, I pray they manage to make one in the future.

Sorry if i seem to be nitpicky, but I don't understand why Illaoi isn't considered a builder. Is it because she generates her tentacles passively ?

Vars. I understand the need for sponsorship but shilling for loot boxes is a step too far, man. It's gambling, it's rigged, and it's unethical.

I don't get why it would be so difficult to give more precise control of Maiden, Tibbers, and Daisy by letting you select them and then move them independently. Pressing R while they're spawned moves your camera to them, let's you fully control and direct them, pressing R again goes back to your main champ. This is even more simple than what Dota does with Meepo. Seriously, if they can make Meepo work, League should be able to make a singular summon work.

Can't rebind a whole set of Keys just for 1 Champ... let me introduce you to DotA2, where many Champs just get new Spells by buying an Item xD But yeah, this it what makes LoL more playable for a wide audience.

Well there is an easy way to fix summoners and that is simply make them interact with your abilities better. Sure Ivern's Daisy does rush enemies he Q's and can be shielded by his E but none of these interactions help Ivern they help Daisy do her job better. By extension you could argue it makes Ivern stronger but the reality is the two are very disjointed from eachother and what is Ivern without daisy? The same can be said for Yorick and the maiden while he can have his Ghouls chase after someone there is a skill cap on how often he can get his ghouls out and the Maiden is very useful with Yorick but without him they both feel pretty mediocre. Annie is the only Summon that works because yes Tibbers is largely a glorified minion but he is the only summon thats helping annie by standing there as he deals damage over time to nearby enemies and he is the only summon that can be used consistently. And if you build Annie with control in mind (Liandry's, Rylai's and so on) Tibbers doesn't even need to do much since he will always apply those effects by existing. As for Shaco its half and half, as ap the clone does as intended but as AD the clone is rather just a meat shield and not anything reasonably impactful.

Dota/Dota 2 Chen, Meepo and beast master all have controllable pets which have 1+ skills and this is a QWER game, you group them with a number system usually and tab through them while using abilities. Its daunting at first but once skilled somewhat well its very rewarding and is the main thing league still is shying away from sadly. Hopefully with the new jungler coming out who spawns packs of dogs they will change this.

You really need to read the abilities of other mobas. In heroes they have multipul summoner types as well as a subclasses. Arthas for example is a summoner that heals himself and is a tank. Abathur is a global support that summons minions in the lane hes in for constant lane pressure. Rexxars kit is 50% or 25% rexxar and 50 or 75% misha. The subclass in heroes was "specialist" which was later taken out. Basically heroes that could provide pressure to turrets without needing a minion wave. See inting sion. Azmodan for example can simply use his ult which summons massive amounts of minions then summon demon lutenant and 3-4 demon warriors instantly. Ragnaros could use his ult on any lane to clear them of minions. His passive also stopped enemy from pushing. Murkey could literally kill any structure given enough time with his infinite ult damage. He also only gave 25% of gold and xp when you killed him. In dota 2 theres another subclass that is really only relevent in league for gangplank. The farmers. Basically tinker alchemist and meepo have certain things in their kit that allow them to farm better than any other champion. Alchemist created gold from killing minions, meepo had 5 copies of himself allowing him to be up to 5 places at once, and tinker had infinite cooldowns and wave clear allowing him to teleport anywhere on the map to clear waves. Im still surprized that a strategist subclass never made it to any game. Like imagine if you could pick a champion in lol that allowed you to control 1-6 minions. Then you could move terrain and control turrets. Or another champion that changed the land around them giving debuffs or buffs. Like if you turned midlane into a area that healed harder then toplane to have more movespeed.

They need to make a paladin champion that in some way scales with incompetence. Maybe a passive that empowers the champion when teammates are dead? Since we already get revives on Akshan how about this: Passive: If no one in your team is alive you instantly respawn in base with like a 5 minute cooldown (Into the fantasy of being that last stand, the last hope to hold the line) Q: Mark an enemy, the marked enemy takes some damage and is slowed by a small amount ~10-20% for 2-3 seconds. Any ally that attacks the target deals some bonus damage to the target with their first attack and gain a small increase in stats, if no one except you deal damage to the target you reset the duration on that buff and the buff is stronger (move speed, attack speed and adaptive power for example) W: Give a shield yourself and to all allies around you, scaling down with the amount of allies (example 1 ally 100 shield, 2 allies both 75 shield, 3 allies all three 60 shield etc.) whenever a shield gets removed the person that had the shield heals for 50% of the shield amount, if the shield expires heal for the amount left on the shield when it expired. If there are no allies around you, you gain the shield and instantly heal for 50% of the shield value. E: Slow yourself by 25% while charging over 1.5 seconds a cone, the longer you charge the smaller the cone gets charging it for up to 1 second slows all targets in the area by up to 50% for 2 seconds (depending on the charge time) if you charge it for more than 1 second stun the targets in the area for half the duration of your charge time then slow them by 50% for 2 seconds (after 1 second the cone would be the size of like a jhin trap activation radius) R: Drop yourself to 1 hit point healing everyone in an area around you by the amount of health that you lost, you also gain a shield of the amount of health that you lost with a duration of 3 seconds, at the end of that duration gain health equal to the amount of shield that you have left. If you are the only one alive when casting this instead drop to 1 hit point and gain a shield equal to your max health for 3 seconds healing for the amount when it expires.

Um Taric is quite obviously a Holy Paladin focused on heals meanwhile we have a protection paladin and her names Leona..... League champs especially OLD one usually fell into a spec rather than an entire archtype class. Tryn is an arms warrior while Olaf is a beserk. Annie is a fire mage, Anivia is ice etc etc.

these videos are very fun to hear, i just wish that riot's team would look a them more often so they'll remember what this game roster really look like instead of more high speed and dash based characters

can you make a viedeo why every new champ is an scrimmischer now days ? all junglers the last 3 jears are skrimmischers .wer are the burst mages ,assasins ,real tanks,control mages,specialists or every other class

For summons they can do like Dota. Like switching between you and your summon

Taric top is underrated. lethal tempo allows for him to be a powerful drain tank duelist. similar in playstyle to warwick during the laning phase. swapping to a more traditional peeling style during late game

I don't know if you're familiar with Heroes of the Storm, but it's a MOBA very similar to League, only you don't have items or an obligation of last hit to get ressources. That opens up a lot of creative designs for characters and since you have no items, it's easier to balance than League champions. In that game you can have a summoner that has a permanent pet (Rexxar) and whose gameplay revolves mainly around it, a paladin (Uther) that is the perfect definition of a paladin or constructor (Gazlowe) whose turrets are inherently part of his gameplay but are not sufficient to hold a lane or defeat an opponent. I suggest you try it out maybe for the character ideas that are very unique, creative and interesting. Examples would be Abathur, the Lost Vikings, Alextrasza, Whitemane, Ana, Lucio, Medivh or Alarak. What's great about the game is that runes, summoner spells or items don't make the champion since there are none. Champions make themselves.

I loved Taric specifically BECAUSE he was a Paladin. I've been a Bishop/Paladin player since as far back as Maplestory and I always loved the whole offense/defense split rather than full damage. For me, old Taric was fun because I could support my team while still being able to hold my own. New Taric is entirely team-dependent to do anything and it blows...

I would call Illaoi more a constructor than a summoner Stationary, activates on abilities, plays around them, can be disarmed

Lol nowadays is like a free for all buffet.

Huh? Forgotten IS a class instead

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I think the reason that we do not see any new summoners is that they are difficult to create and balance. It is already difficult enough to balance normal champions.

The thing I see with this classes in regards to new implemented champions is team interaction. All these are more effective when played in tandem with your team while the philosophy for the recent champs have been more of "every man for themselve" type of approach. They have tried to push this back a bit by adding things to their passive to force them to be played as part of a team (Ex; Renata's, Samira's and Nilah's passive all requiring two people to be fully useful), but it hasn't change the mentality the past few years of development has brought to the game as a whole.

great video as always. I hope you could make one on alistar. I don't know what exactly it would be on maybe his rework if he had one, maybe about how his kit hasn't changed much since the beginning of the game, I honesly just want to hear your opinion on him.

i will love to see a holy paladin support in this game tbh. It'll be a dream come true ;D

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the way you setup a second set of QWER is use SHIFT+ when holding shift down you would then be able to use the summons abilities, not your own. Summons abilities would level with your own, so you max Q its Q is maxed.

Based on the Bel'veth teases before she came out I was really hoping she would be the new summoner champ I would pick up after maining Yorick for a year. With the new jungle changes in preseason I'm just gonna move him from top to jungle and see how that works

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I miss when Malzahar was more of a summoner playstyle. It’s a shame it was too strong; I really enjoyed how people would freak out at the sudden burst of damage voidlings could do.

I maybe have some idea for a puppet Master. Kinda like Aphelios using switching AA (after x AA switch the puppet) with a melee, ranged and healing/shielding puppet, maybe also one for CC. Q is for the positioning (like Annies Tibbers, but with AA like Azir). W for a dash or something to prevent dying and E for switching between 2 available puppets (also like Aphelios) and the ult is empowered puppets with stronger DMG/healing/longer CC and/or all puppets summoned and attacking/CC/Healing/Shielding and having Health (so you can kill them to disable them). It could be in any lane and with any role.

Wait there are more class? I though there was just Tank, Magic/Mid, support and Ad. And that is it @@

I mean, I don't see why a paladin can't be 75/75. Irelia arguably has 150% of the power of the average champion, but if she's getting stomped, she's like 50% of a champ. Kayn pre-evo is basically a melee minion, Shyvana without dragon form is probably 70% of a champ. Not saying that a paladin would have to shapeshift though. An ability like Taric's old W, but it steals the resists can absolutely work. The issue becomes, well, how do you make a champ that isn't just Taric 2.0?

quick question how is braum not a soft attempt at paladin and how is zed not also an attempt at summoning like azir and orianna? Also doesn't Shen kind of fulfil some parts of the Summoner class and some parts of the paladin class? He protects allies while also summoning his sword. I think Riot in time will make some more attempts at the fringe classes, after all, I'm sure many people would like to see 5 man team fitting certain classes and/or themes. Like having 5 paladins? Braum, Taric, Shen, maybe Galio and Tahm Kench. Or for example 5 Daarkin, and Aatrox means DAARKIN, not that trash loser who forgot the memo! Or you could make 5 Aascended I guess. Aatrox might tell Azir & Nasus to fix their names too! We can have full void teams (kogmaw, chogath, belveth, velkoz, Scyther or reksai make 6 so far) then there's 5 transformers (nidalee, jayce, elise, I thought there was at least 1 more but I forget, Quinn's kicked out of this club I think) Or 5 summoners (anni, ivern, shaco, Morde also got kicked out of this club) Point is, I think slowly but surely, Riot may eventually complete the sets, OR I would like them to, just to have some funny line ups. Could even oneday make a tournament based around such themes, which themes are the strongest?

I wonder, would it maybe be a thing to mark summoners, constructors, and puppetmasters under a shared category because of the similarity with how they rely on something other than themselves to exert pressure? Also, a fun idea would be a constructer support whose constructs give buffs or heals instead of dealing damage, could lead to a cool playstyle.

For Paladin class ideas, they could easily make Paladin Class who is both good in team fights and haves good solo potential. Let's say. Champion who haves an ability to share 20% of their Armour and Magic Resistance to his teammates around him. And when he is Isolated. The Armour and Magic Resistance is 20% Higher. And they could easily balance it out by not having growing Armour or Magic resistance by level, and can only gain Armour and Magic Resistance by buying items. Or by certain events like the Rangers Hunt bounty quest. Thresh souls. They could do it, but l guess they just don't have ideas.

All of the champions on that list are comfort picks for me barring i'd say orianna, gangplank and sometimes azir because i need at least 5-6 games to get my mechanics to optimal levels. I am frankly more impressed in their champion design compared to the others as they really tried interesting and new themes for their champions, some like azir and illaoi have very satisfying moments and hemeideinger who is hyper consistent

Summoners can work really well in MOBAs. The problem is the League engine it not designed for it and breaks too easily to allow adding such a complex system. If you look at DOTA2 22 of the 123 heroes have a way to create a fully controllable separate entity some of which have their own abilities. This is not counting the items than let anyone do it. I think league could really use some champions that play the game in a completely different way from everyone else. For some good examples look at Heroes of the Storm characters like Abathur, Murky, The Lost Vikings, or ChoGall.

Funnily enough, I think we could muster one more puppetmaster design for the game... while I believed it to be an original idea at first, after some thought I realized it's a sort of fusion of Azir, Orianna, and Zed. Anyone familiar with Naruto, I'm thinking of someone similar to Kankuro, and using him as a framework makes the design pretty easy to imagine. The puppet would always be present, like Orianna's ball, but it would autoattack, like Azir's soldiers. The puppetmaster's autos would be melee, already distinguishing them from Orianna and Azir, and the puppet's autos could be small cleaves, definitely shorter than Azir's soldiers' range (probably like two minions wide and two minions long). That's probably all their passive would be, an explanation of the puppet and its autos. Oh, and if the puppetmaster leaves the puppet's range it returns to the puppetmaster's "carrying case", and would need to be redeployed with an ability. His Q could be the standard repositioning tool where you send the puppet to sit somewhere, but for this puppetmaster the puppet would stop on the first enemy champion hit (or first enemy including minions and monsters, if it needs to be harder to land), damaging and displacing them for like half a second. At first I thought it could also deal damage to anything caught in the tether between the puppet and its master, but 1) nobody would do that to enemy champions because you would want to be able to get the follow-up autos by smacking them with the puppet, and 2) it would grant a LOT of waveclear by moving the puppet behind minion waves, which would definitely be too strong. The W could be another AOE, like Orianna's W, but instead of slowing it could shred a resistance, and like Zed's E it could be done by both the puppet and the puppetmaster, with an additional effect for landing both. Maybe if only the puppetmaster lands the W it's just damage, but if he lands the W with both himself and the puppet it could restore a portion of the damage dealt or something. The E could be the "return" button, like Azir moving to his soldiers or Orianna bringing her ball back (or placing it on a teammate), but for this puppetmaster it just pulls the puppet back to him. Nothing crazy, right? Except if there are enemies between the puppet and the puppetmaster, they are carried back to the puppetmaster and the resulting collision causes a stun (I don't know what a "fair" duration would be, but I think because it's not targeted 1.5 seconds is a fair minimum). Then the puppet and the puppetmaster could wail on the caught enemy (or enemies). I think a really cool ult would be an Iron Maiden type deal where the puppet eats a champion (probably not literally, but it could stuff them in like a cage in its chest or something), and it would suppress them for... 2.5 seconds? I know how people feel about suppression, and I feel the same way, but 1) this is an ultimate ability, so it wouldn't be super frequent (probably with a longer CD than Malz ult), and 2) the champion would be untargetable by friend and foe alike, like with Tahm Kench's suppress. They would take the damage upon activation of the ult, and if it's lethal the puppet would just eat them (purely aesthetic, no buffs or anything), but otherwise they will be released between the puppetmaster and the puppet (or facing away from the puppetmaster, if it would be too much to allow for a potential followup from the E). Additionally, the puppet would be able to move, but would not be able to attack (and the W would be disabled), so the puppetmaster's damage would be gimped somewhat while suppressing the target, but they could control the position of the suppressed enemy. I think this creates some really interesting opportunities to not only catch priority targets, but to remove frontliners from the equation for a bit and maybe even invalidate their engagements by eating them and then moving them back into their team, effectively resetting to the game to a neutral state. If that's too much though, it could either deal no damage, or the puppet could be immobilized instead so that the ult is strictly damage and a suppress. I would prefer the former personally because I think the utility is really cool and fun, and removing it and keeping the damage would just make it another Malz ult. I would say if the damage is removed it could also be used on allies, but the only thing that could possibly be worse than Tahm Kench eating your target enemy squishy would be an untargetable puppet eating your target enemy squishy and then instantly pulling them into the enemy backline, so... maybe not. Then again, if you're already in the backline then you could either focus the puppetmaster first, who would not be able to eat himself, or switch your focus after the other squishy is eaten to the puppetmaster who has now gimped their damage, so maybe it wouldn't be TOO bad. I'm not sure. After typing all this out I figure they'll be a bruiser or an assassin, though whether they should be AD or AP I don't know. Both AP bruiser and assassin itemization is kind of rough, but the kinds of tools this puppetmaster has may require them to be indirectly weakened by being forced into that itemization, especially considering the fact that the intentional lack of mobility in their design could be effectively nullified by giving them access to Prowler's Claw or Stridebreaker. Not too crazy, but crazy enough to be interesting and fun, at least in my opinion. There's probably room for some stupid passives in there, but I personally don't want any more overloaded champions, so I'm not going to try all that with this one. Anyone who came across this and actually read it all, let me know what you think. Hopefully I did better than Riot's been doing the past few years.

at this point if feels like you just make "classes" up. Never heard anyone refer to Taric as a paladin class, also in any other video you put him and his old rework down as Wardens, as do all official sources. yeah, the designers had Fantasy paladins from WoW/D&D/other RPG's in Mind as his archetype when they designed him, but they also had necromancers in mind, when they designed Karthus, Lovecraftian horror when they designed void champs, still you wouln't attribute that as thier classes. whole video doesn't make sense to me.

What could make Yorick more consistent and rewarding to play (not dependant on external factors), as a Yorick main, is if he could control Maiden with alt. Likely they don't do this because he's not popular enough, or spaghetti code, Yorick also has a ton of bugs. I don't need to control the ghouls, I can control them well enough and replace them fast enough, but I can't control Maiden, and she's where most of Yorick's power budget lies. If I could just reposition her while I'm attacking an enemy champion that tries to kill her, it would really add a lot of skill expression to his kit, and would make him feel like the only true member of the summoner subclass in League of Legends.

I would disagree firmly with your notion that a class can't have most of the support capabilities of a support class and most of the solo capabilities of a solo class, simply because you're not doing both at once. When you're in a solo lane, you have the solo class capabilities (by your numbers, 75%, so I'd take that as "lose to bruisers but go even against most non-bruiser classes), and when you teamfight, you use your support capabilities (probably not quite as impactful as a dedicated support but can be useful). You're not using both solo and support capabilities at once because you're not both 1v1ing and teamfighting simultaneously. In explanation, I turn to look at Druids from World of Warcraft. In theory they're supposed to be good at everything, not specialized in anything. In practice, you don't run a druid in raids because you're not capable of being as effective in any situation as any other class. You give a druid one slot because their buff to allies is spectacular and that's about it, unless your raiding group is casual. But if you are worried about that-what about a shapeshifter champion? Would a champion with the shapeshifting mechanic (ult at level 1, swaps between sets of abilities) where one side is a fighter and one side is a support be good?

visually speaking Garen seems like stereotypical paladin. but in my opinion, it should be an easy class to make, based on who you are targeting with your abilities alters them or have them split(bel'v)/ multi cast charges. as for other classes zoners, artillery mage. and for summoner champs i came up with 2, 1st is most true summoner i think riot could make with a minion (ridable) and trap (allow long range detonation), puppet master, decoy, construct, pet/ battle suit (dif abilities). 2nd is caster marksman with construct, decoy, defeated enemies become pets

It is because League removed microing.. I'm guessing it's because micro is really difficult to pull off and therefore only a handful of people will actually play and enjoy these champions.. the skill of microing came from RTS games like StarCraft, which Dota kept considering that MOBA started as a mod for rts games.. tbh though it is actually really satisfying to competently play micro.. but the problem you get is it's really annoying and infuriating to play against because it feels so unfair.. take Chen from Dota for example.. he can create an army of at most 4 jungle monster who all have different skills.. let's say he took 4 with stuns, he can easily send those monsters on your retreat point and then gank the lane itself from the front.. as soon as you retreat, you get ambushed by 4 monsters that stuns you in place, letting Chen and his teammates catch up to you.. or take Arc Warden for example.. he creates a complete clone of himself who uses the exact same items and the exact same skills.. Shaco clone isn't even comparable to arc Warden as his clone is basically another hero in the game who does everything the main Arc Warden does.. so you can send him out on his own, pushing lanes or farming jungle for you as you sit back at fountain drinking tea.. and even if the clone gives the same reward like killing the main hero the problem is if he has a bounty.. you will never ever claim that shutdown gold.. that's why I can understand how unfair it feels to fight against it..

I just want Riot to add a Double playable Champion that has 2 people controlling it, Heroes of the Storm made it possible, just want others to try it aswell. Smite for me feels like restriction on God Design, They become to narrow or excused in their gameplay, or They're abilities barely combine, the character gameplay becomes one note as there is no objective, just things to do. which leads to boredom, or the feeling of incompleteness, Medusa's main form of damage is a cooldown that Never Lowers outside of items thats it, no passives, no extra additions go enhance her AAs, just one that deals damage overtime only for 4 shots, meaning her pressure becomes that of a Mage than an adc.

I kinda disagree with the 75% solo 75% support thing. I do agree that your team has to understand how to make use of you if you were to, say, run Leona top with a Yi jungle, but that doesn't innately mean that a paladin would have to be overly strong in both categories. The argument that your team wouldn't understand your champ's win condition falls kind of flat because the same argument could be applied to split pushers, off meta builds, champions that have a different range situation than their archetype (ie: melee adcs, ranged assassins, ranged tanks, melee enchanters), or less popular champions. For example, you have never seen Heimerdinger before in your life. You decide to gank him in mid because he is pushed up. You don't know that he can take out over half your health with a triangle set up + stun grenade and you just die to him before your mid laner can even come help. Most people would just assume he is absolutely overtuned and broken and that their mid laner is trash and fed him, when in actuality you have to play an entire minigame with him to deprive him of his turrets through either poke, focusing them down on the engage, or moving him away from them entirely. As another example, you've never seen Shaco before in your life and think your jungler is inting by running their jungler, adc, and support around in bot red side jungle rather than farming camps and ganking. Meanwhile his entire game plan is to distract and tilt while his team gets ahead, gets free farm, or steals the enemy jungler's top side.

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