Former Prime Minister Jim Bolger on co-governance 

Ask the Prime Minister ... hahaha ... she hasn't told the truth from the day she took power. OK Jim, we'll ask her in Te reo, then less than 1% of the population will understand and none of the rest of the world will know either. Dump Te reo from school and teach the 3 R's to bring our education level back from the bottom. A second language is a good idea, but only when it has relevance to the student's future ... Te reo for maori if they want, sure, but not for everyone as it's another wedge driving into the co-governance racial divide that must be dumped before it destroys what is left of New Zealand.

There is no such thing as this 'partnership'. That was a construct by an activist judge. The Treaty says nothing about a partnership, co-governance, or principles.

They don't tell us what co-governance is because it isn't about a "partnership", it's about putting Maori in control of everything, just see what is happening with the Health System. I tried to ring the hospital yesterday, I couldn't get through, the only thing they got right is the Te Reo greeting on the voice message!

I thought adern had a degree in communication,all she seem,s to communicate is dishonesty.

Bolger says that in Ireland "everybody" is speaking their version of Gaelic. Nonsense! It would be difficult to hear Irish outside the Gaeltachta. He was very evasive throughout this interview. Disappointing.

Trade Mark ©️ WEF order Just Sin Jah is only a puppet

The Bolger government established what they called a $1 billion "fiscal envelope" from which all Treaty settlements would be paid . That envelope has become a large box .

You could ask our Prime Minister, What is co governance? she wouldn't know, or you could ask her about ten times and you would get ten different answers!

How come it says there are 17 comments on here but only 12 are showing looks like sensoring is rampant ??

There are NO more Maori, they are either part Maori of mixed race...

Exactly, that's it. What is co governance? What does that mean? What will happen? Genuine questions.

Let’s ask the liars, good idea.

te reo is a dead language, try using it anywhere else in the world, we would be better off learning a Chinese language, the direction this government is taking us we will need it, Neddy and Barcode have to go !!

Thank you Mr Bolger such good common sense and clarity do wish we still had him at the helm

2000 should have been a line where all kiwis ie born, citizens (allowed in for their worth to the country) were ALL kiwis! No race, religion, colour..just kiwis..equal ❣

I think Jim Bolger is losing the plot in regards to the teaching Maori at primary school. Why? Maori are not indigenous.

Oh to have that reasonableness of Bolger at the top of NZ politics today! Sigh!

Upoke is the term for Maori slaves. They were about 80% of the population prior to the Europeans. They were the primary source of protein in what was an horrific degeneration of Polynesian society into rampart structural cannibalism - a period of horror that lasted some 500 years until they were rescued by the European. The Maori had come with the original Polynesian caste structure of royals and bonded commoners after being outcast and set adrift on rafts to end up stranded in NZ. Within a recorded period of about 8 generations this then degenerated into 9 different language groups ( no common language) and a horrific two tier ethnically and racially based caste structure. - Ariki / from the original royal elite - these were documented and painted or drawn as lighter to white skinned, wiry, smaller boned, fine featured, thin nose, thin lipped, straight hair, anxious, aggressive cannibalistic ruling class. Upoke / from the original bonded commoners (such bonding or serfdom broke down in NZ as land was unconstrained) and slaves. Upoke or poke was used in conjunction with Kuku or Kiko ie a Upoke Kiko was slave flesh - or else poke singular or pokes group). The Upoke slaves were the 'wealth' of the Maoris and raiding and capturing other clans and tribes Upoke was the primary industry of the Maoris. These Upoke were dark skinned, larger limbed, thick lipped, flat nosed, curly haired, easily fattened, low IQ and sedentary. The settlements of the Maoris (Pa's) were in valley passes where they could anticipate attack from the sea and run into the bush behind. A Pa's very design is as a cannibal storage camp of humans as slave eating flesh with perimeters controlling access and confining the slaves. Have a good look at the original designs of the Pa's and what their real purpose was. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands. As such the European settlements were flooded with Upoke slaves, mainly young females being the demand. The Europeans bred with these slave females gave immunity to the mixed race offspring disease such as measles & flu that full blood Maori did not have. Again this is subject to much record (1880 onwards) about the 'revitalization' and out breeding of the Maori being their only path of survival / there was much concern the Maori would become extinct so all Europeans & Maori were much focused on such outbreeding to ensure that a trace of Maori may exist in the future.By 1903 there were no Ariki left and only 14 very old full blood Upoke. The last full blood died in 1944 - as reported by the minister of Maori affairs much later to the NZ parliament. The marked differences between the Ariki and the slave caste were much commented on, discussed and captured in paintings & portraits. Almost all Maori today would be offspring of Europeans & Upoke slaves - the filters of inter Maori fratricide between the Ariki clans & disease acted as an filter to remove both Ariki and full bloods. "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon' This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

Your interview. Brown. National. Mahuta. Not related. However. Mahuta. An embarrassment to our country.Yes New Zealand. International more so. Corruption breeds corruption. Understandable. One only need look at her leader.

99% of us dont speak tereo so we should all learn it because learning Maths is not important.

I think Jim nailed it when he said "the public wouldn't like what they (the Government) mean" by co-governance and so therefore they don't talk about it!

Co governance simply means giving special privileges and rights to Maori even though they are minority . This inclusiveness and accomodating maori nonsense has just gone to far .

James Bolger. I, I, I, Me, Me, Me. I have zero time for adern, who like Bolger is a PM created by Winston Peters. But Bolger is Mr Waffle who loves himself.

amazing insight and wisdom exhibited by Former priminister Jim Bolger!!! God bless his heart and soul!!

Some good questions there Sean

Can the PM hold a conversation in te reo or just read paragraphs when the press is there?

Mandated percentage of governance sounds like a recipe for "What is good for me is not good for thee"

when you look at the history leading up to the treaty, you understand why the maori asked , and agreed to the treaty. the first article states ; The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof. article 2 ; Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession; but the Chiefs of the United Tribes and the individual Chiefs yield to Her Majesty the exclusive right of Preemption over such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to alienate at such prices as may be agreed upon between the respective Proprietors and persons appointed by Her Majesty to treat with them in that behalf. no where in the treaty doe s it state anything about co governance, the understanding was that the lands Maori retained and hadn't sold off, they could do with what hey wanted, they were expected to be absorbed into western society and be a part of the new country, this modern day interpretations are far off what the treaty was intended for, and needs to stop, Maori haven't been treated badly, they have received more than the European new Zealanders , and really don't have anything to complain about, they have all the same rights as everyone who lives here.

Great point about a partnership Sean.

some common sense from someone who has been there, great interview and thank you Mr Bolger

Nothing wrong with English language being taught in primary,everyone learning Te Reo?,more crap from an ex Prime Minister,

Nope.

Jim looks well.

Co-governance is increasingly being applied across various sectors, from environmental management to education and healthcare, to create more inclusive, equitable, and sustainable practices. These examples illustrate the potential for successful co-governance arrangements that respect and integrate Indigenous perspectives, contributing to the reconciliation of historical injustices and fostering mutual benefits.

Wasn't he the one that signed us up to the 1991 Rio climate accord without asking?

What about his MMP CLUSTER he’s left us with.

It'll never be 50/50. While 50% is guaranteed to be maori, the other 50% could quite well be maori also as there is no guarantee they be white, green, yellow or otherwise. Especially with the vast majority of committes and governing bodies appointed by ministers of the crown.

The missing element in all this discussion is an examination of the impact , relevance and ultimate "destination" of New Zealand's accession (under National) to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and its associated definitions, in the New Zealand context. That would be something worth following up on The Platform.

Only elected people should govern the country

Just to put a practical spin on this, if every board of every entity required equal representation/50/50 splits, I suspect there simply would not be enough Maori people to fill those positions. And if there was it would either be such a large proportion of the people group that most boards would have chairs filled by very unqualified people, or, those Maori who were qualified to take those board seats would possibly have to sit on more boards than is possible for any one person to manage. 🤔

Jim Bolger picked the perfect words for our government during that interview, propose vs impose

Fortunately we can ditch the Racist Labour party on 14 October.

I don’t agree with Bolger. Thank Goodness he’s no longer PM. He talks like a Labour politician.

I liked Bolger; But the this co governance needs to be asked the "What the does this end up being!"Jacinda was to gutless to answer this question! As is the Government to this day!

This is an outcome of He Puapua

great interview Sean; interesting that Jim was quite conscious of being politically correct and highly euphemistic in his responses and said nothing new, or revealing; Jim’s still smart, just not thinking very critically as some kaumatua do;

Bolger was appointed by Peters, and Bolger started us down this slippery slope. They are all involved.

Thats a bit rich when you listen to Chris luxton answering questions about hid economic policy

It is apartheid systems Maori

These two(Bolger and the broadcaster) are playing the dumb card when it comes to Co-Governance especially Bolger, laughing it off. May fool some but not all. They know very well why maori want it because of the injustices/inequity done to them.

Shit, this was 8 months ago!

Co-governance, is code for separatist governance, which is code for Apartheid. Choice: you either deny this or you now start supporting Apartheid. My guess, they will choose the former. If The Treaty is read as a Apartheid document then it should be torn up. Whaw. Imagine the people with a percentage Maori blood, not being able to claim some stuff because they happen to be born with some percentage of Maori blood.

I thought he was dead.

sean. can you please fix the gaps in the red wall tiles?

Great to hear from an articulate, intelligent ex-politician. Thanks for your time and input Jim. Us Kiwis appreciate it...

Talking away joyce don't force men woman when war for freedom ,what learn some doing force a not on

There is no such thing as Co government we live in a democracy which is why we vote for our government.

I don't see a problem with being bilingual. Being bilingual apparently makes it easier to learn more languages. My grand children will be bilingual and that's a good thing.

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

Mr Bolger knew back then as well, the concepts of true partnership. I found him to be arguably the best National Party Leader to be Prime Minister.

I'm a supporter of prime minister Adern. Impressed with this interview. Impressed with intellect former Prime Minister Bolger. Most certainly Co Governess explained.

Jim and Ruth et al put paid to trade unions via the Employment Contracts Act.The word "contracts"was an oxymoron.

Jim Bolger set the stage for this situation by endorsing the ‘partnership’ concept so recklessly used by the high court

It’s very clear to me what the government means by co-governance by their actions. Te reo and Tikanga Māori are being rammed down every New Zealanders throat and Māori are being given special privilege over all other New Zealanders.