@@rasibasi dmec judges will only make you lose if you spin and they never take any depth in their decisions. It doesn't help that dmec is a speed race and not a drifting competition at this point.
What's the point of the decel lights if the judges are going to ignore them? Denofa's decel light didn't trigger during the second handbrake pull, so therefore doesn't that mean he did maintain momentum? That's the whole point of those lights is it not? Meanwhile Reeder's decel light is just constantly lighting up during his lead run and not a peep from the judges about it. So are others for that matter (eg, Jone's was lit almost the entirety of the first turn)
No. The Decel light is a threshold. It does not mean you did the incorrect thing in the lead. You can still slow and not trigger the decel light. You can brake and not trigger the decel light. The decel light IS NOT any slowing. It is a specific slowing over time.
@@formuladrift and yet Reeder's light triggered but Denofa's didn't. So surely Reeder had an unchasable lead run then right if Denofa's check up that didn't trigger decel was enough to be an incomplete
@@kllrnohj I'm not sure which part of the battle you are referring to, but Reeder Decel light coming on in the chase indicates he had to slow aggressively to avoid Chelsea braking. It's further evidence of that given they were at relatively similar speeds. Or are you referring to another run?
@@kllrnohj If you are referring to Reeders light coming on on the bank in the lead, yes, true. That is bad, HOWEVER, it had no affect on Denofa and that is the whole point and also what Chelsea was upset about; the fact that he could adjust but Reeder did not. He was not upset at the call. He was upset that they both did the same thing to each other, but it only affected Reeder.
@@formuladrift Quite literally look at your own footage of the Reeder vs. DeNofa run, where Reeder's front decel light pops on at 23:58 and again at 24:00 during his lead run. Let's quote your own judges at 31:58 "Chelsea is at fault because that's an on-throttle area; You're not supposed to be grabbing the handbrake through there. And he grabbed it twice." This standard is used to penalize DeNofa but is apparently not applied at all to Reeder. Absolutely disgraceful double-standard judging. Either it IS a disqualifying issue for Reeder or it is NOT a disqualifying issue for Denofa. Pick one.
@@frankender7026 See, that is just a simple misunderstanding of how the light works. It's NOT, if the light comes on, you did something bad. It's if the light comes on in a non-decel area AND it affects the chase driver, it's bad. That did not happen and if you apply the rules consistently, you have to judge the affect of the decel and for Denofa, there was none. He dealt with it fine, whereas Reeder did not. That little adjustment in your knowledge changes the whole thing.
@@formuladrift At no point did I claim that "decel light activation [no matter the place] equals a 'bad thing'". That's your selective reading to strawman an argument that was never made. The fact of the matter, by your judges' own words, is that decel light activation in an on-throttle area DOES indicate a 'bad thing' (i.e. rule-breaking) occurred. Again, watch your own footage. Your judges declare decel light activation in an on-throttle area to NOT be an indicator of a rule-breaking behavior by Reeder, but declare that same decel light activation in an on-throttle area by DeNofa to be indication of rule-breaking behavior that disqualifies him. Everybody in these comments is correctly telling you that your judges are low quality and are making bad calls, and there's a reason for it. Whether or not you're willing to drop the PR front and actually admit there's an issue is another matter entirely.
Watching this in person, solidified the fact that these judges need to go, every round has had plenty of instances for the judges make very controversial calls, with some type of bias, could be towards certain drivers or could be to make it more interesting so it's closer or an upset for more views or what have you, Chelsea seems to get robbed on calls a lot of time, and one round I believe when in St Louis but the judges were split on every single decision It seemed like two would be on the same page and the announcer judge would be in agreeance for what the crowd thought as well. Granted a lot of the people voting in the crowd don't have the rule book in front of them, and I know the spinning over the line is why Chelsea didn't get the win which is shitty to see but I can understand that at least, sucks about matfield as well since I was rooting for him to get his first championship. I'll be at Long Beach and Irwin down next year hoping for either a better judges or more consistent rulings on the same mistakes by different drivers getting different penalties, like Chelsea was saying, it seems like if you're a good enough driver to be able to be affected by a mistake and continue on instead of just flopping the run, you get penalized
Spinning over the line at Irwindale (Denofa) had nothing to do with why he lost. Go back and listen to the explanation. It had everything to do with the big bank and causing the incomplete to Reeder. Once a lead incompletes, the run is over at that point.
Also… 11k views and 300 likes… kind of an eye opener to how many people genuinely were displeased with the entirety of this video.., and event. It’s sad a multimillion dollar industry can only do us this good….
I’d be happy to show you a third party report where FD generates 50m in social media value to drivers and sponsors or are you going to draw conclusions on a singular post as if that represents the totality of what we do? Come on, I hope you’re better than that.
@@formuladrift Not surprised by those figures, considering every 3rd word is like "insert sponsor name here". Idk how others take it but to me that's irritatingly obnoxious, like I'm listening to constant commercial not commentary which by itself also gets old with some of these corny jokes and lines or whatever..also I think for a "All action video" this was a lot longer than it needed to be.
@@laurocuha6546 That's not how those reports are generated. In fact, words are not counted in 3rd party analytics for value, and while I can appreciate the video being shorter, we are trying to get it out as quickly as we can, as requested by fans, which is typically a 24 hour turnaround, so we can either do that or delay it to cut it perfectly your specifications. For most fans, it's fine because it leaves in the meat and cuts out the commercials.
Not formula drift blatantly ignoring the fact 85% of the drivers in this event specifically said on tape that they’re unhappy with how the calls and the track were… I couldn’t imagine being the literal media director for a massive racing industry and yet attacking die hard fans who take their time to comment and give their feedback.., but you know that’s just little old me who’s been watching since 2011 🤡🤣
85% of the drivers in this event specifically said they were unhappy with how the calls went? Please, please, show me this statement from any driver. Those people you are referring to DO NOT give feedback. Saying, "corrupt, bias, etc" is NOT feedback. I would challenge you to find a singular example of actually feedback that is well-informed and honestly provides some decent form of feedback. I'll take anything other than verbal attacks actually.
@@formuladrift there is an entire 60 seconds of chelsey stating how he felt on cam, and over the mic to whomever he’s speaking to about how reeder checked up the exact same way and he states “guess being the better driver and not crashing gets you a loss” but go off sis 🤣🫶🏻
@@drewthompson858 He is speaking to his spotter and he is complaining that Reeder did the "same thing" to him and it did not affect him, but it affected Reeder, which is exactly the point. He made a mistake that affected Reeder. The fact that if Reeder did make a similar mistake and it did not affect Chelsea is completely irrelevant to the outcome. You're not allowed as a judge to decide who is the better driver ahead of time. You have to judge the run as it is, the same for everyone.
@@AlexB375 That comment is a bias against Chelsea as a better driver and for Reeder, implying he is worse than Chelsea in that "same" (I dispute that they are") situation and that's EXACTLY what you are not supposed to do. You have to treat each driver as nameless and unknown otherwise all kinds of bias will creep in. This is something you really need to get on board with, otherwise all of your judging is prejudicial based on how skilled you think a driver is as opposed to the physical behavior of the car. This is Judging 101.
May i ask about the round between odi and aasbo? To me it seemed like odi should have gotten the win because on aasbos lead he completely missed the last outer zone
You could see the judges were clearly split. Aasbo's lead was impeccable except OZ3. His chase was a strong as Odi's except in one area in OZ2. Odi did not have the same proximity on the big bank as Aasbo, nor did he have a good of a line in the lead, so put all those things together and see where you come out. I think OMT would have been justified, but equally, I see why the judges were split.
Why would the Formula Drift media team try to defend themselves in the comments... Just suck it up, say that calls like these are hard to make in this situation where the track is wet the the drivers are struggling. Just say that maybe not all of the calls were perfect... You cannot defend this event on the basis that the judges made all the right calls, because it's pretty obvious that they didn't.
Really, the livestream been removed ??? Shame on you for doing this FD. The ''ALL ACTION'' suck, put back the livestream. I'm a fan and was about to buy some gear on the shop but not anymore. Not until the livestream is back on the channel !!!!!
I'm not happy with the call on Chelsea Denofa either 🤦♂️, and what Denofa said is so true we see other drivers pull the handbrake as well in those zones but get away with it because the chase driver is good enough to avoid the crash and maintain the drift. Yeah messed up judging on that one, the double standards on judging just infuriates the fans
Not sure how it’s a double standard. You can’t judge something that does not have an effect on another driver. If you judge another driver to be better, you are bringing in bias for and against that driver. That’s an implication of that thinking. You have to treat every driver as if they were nameless and faceless otherwise you have different standards for each driver, which is completely unfair. All of us have to get onboard with that. If we are not onboard with that, you’ll never have fair judging.
@@formuladrift The first run had multiple triggers of the leader brake light, 'no issue' from the chase or lead 'great run'. Then second had a trigger from the leader brake light, 'big issue' , no fault from chase that they corrected , lead 'bad run' 'Treat every driver and run as if they are nameless and faceless', don't fault one driver for the other driver's fault. ?
@@limitlesscombo6998 If you don't understand the concept of cause and effect or that you cannot bring in a drivers skill (Denofa) as part of your analysis, you will miss a large part of the fair and equal judging. The first part is that Reeder's mistake DID NOT effect Denofa, while in the inverse (even if you call it the same mistake) did effect Reeder. On the second, if you allow Denofa's skill to be brought into the equation you are automatically bringing in a bias and you're not allowed to do that. If you don't understand those two things, you will always be confused. Hope that helps.
@@formuladrift Lol I understand who affected whom and at which point. It's like faulting the lead for the chase's issue. I never mentioned skill of the chase or lead.. If you can't understand that then you'll be very confused. good luck
@@limitlesscombo6998 Then I am not sure what you are talking about or arguing for. I am not sure you can have a lead getting the raw end of a call for a chase's issue, unless you are talking about determining fault, but if you disagree with the Denofa/Reeder call, maybe you can say why and be a bit more clear on your argument. It's not coming through in a way I can understand it to respond adequately.
@31:00 they are speaking over it the entire time probably for a reason but in person you couldn't even hear the announcer over the amount of boo's that call got
I love drifting as a sport I mean like early 2000’s nascar love but y’all have to get new judges or at least they have to judge evenly sooooo many people checked up in zone one it just sucks again and again multiple videos of people saying get new judges and them not listening to there growing but still very small fan base and it’s driving that small fan base away
@@formuladrift you can look up formula drift you don’t have too even click on the channel just the formula drift videos that pop up I only went to 4 months back and every video but one has comments about judging or how we need new judges
@@oso_sap Generalities, not specifics that show or demonstrate that something was applied inconsistently. And that's the problem. If that is all you do, you are not furthering the conversation one iota. It boils down to, "I don't like it". It's also an easy out because it means you don't have to do the hard work of actually making a case, and for those types, they can be hand-waved off. Those that actually do the work, deserve the respect of being responded to with charity and justification, whether or not they agree, they deserve that.
@@oso_sap And let me just add WHY that concept is extremely important to advancing the Sport. There is no other Series in the world that has fans more invested in drivers than FD. The commitment they have to supporting their favorite drivers is why you can make a living in FD. So when we want to see how we can better judging, if all you provide is, "bias, corruption" or vague generalities, we have no idea if you actually have a case or are in fact the one that has the bias. That's why we need to hear where the inconsistencies are.
@@formuladrift what you just replied made little to no sense I said I only when as far back as 4 months and found multiple comments on judging you asked for proof and I gave it to you. It’s up you you to not accept what the fans are saying and I don’t know if what you said about fans and drivers is true because you have obviously never watched nascar, I completely understand that you guys aren’t gonna change anything. But next time you ask for proof and it is handed to you , you can’t just say corruption. Go look for your self you will see what I’m talking about
It helps in this case honestly, the barrel breaking off means that the wheel took the brunt of the damage and not suspension components with a real wheel that would have absorbed it, I'm all for real wheels as that's all I run except for my drift car, I have spares that are reps mainly for cost to replace and the weak spot when you mess up
I say that also as I own a set myself lol. I’ve tapped walls and dropped tires into dirt before and they’ve held up for being cheap. Plus I have a Miata. Whole damn car is cheap.
The audio Clip they caught of Chelsea being 100% honest is what I say everytime I watch this. How come it applies to 1 lead run and not the other. Lol feel it Chelsea. Should have been omt
FD admin is sweating on the keyboard rn. Instead of fielding complaints and trying to make the sport better, you would rather go after the fans in the comments and argue all day. Obviously the fans are not pleased with the judging if you scroll through the comments. Take knowledge of that and try to improve the sport instead of arguing with your fan base.
Who’s arguing? We are here to have discussions and attempt to educate where we see misapplication of the logic of the rules. Are calls easy? No. Are there calls that could go either way, sure. And if people care to discuss how we have constructed things, we are here to answer questions. Trolls needs not participate, however.
4:34 Field can’t catch a break 😫 Also, just gonna say that even with the judging catastrophes and such, I still enjoyed this year of FD. I’ve got a couple opinions, but no hard feelings; I still love FD as much as I did 5 years ago.
@@formuladrift you've gotta understand, the main people watching this missed the full event, so an easy logical follow-on is that they might not have the time for a longer event. A shorter, sweeter, maybe 10-30 minute rundown with voicover would be the best format. Maybe something like NHRA does with the "NHRA (event name) in 30" videos they do. Or the D1GP battles and quali highlights videos that are 5-15 minutes long.
@@leehrvyoswld Well, we do have highlight videos, but if that is your suggestion, that is fine too. It's just that we are trying to turn this around in 24 hours post event, so we don't have time for VO
@@formuladrift I'm sure an energetic intern or well-paid journo could turn out a good-ass VO in less than that time. Especially for a 5-10-15 minute video. Formula 1 manages it for every practice, quali, and race session. Rocket League Championship Series does the same. Hours of footage.
Do you guys saw Åsbo (AASBO) kinda have tweaked BRAKING LIGHTS! at 2:30 transitioning when he brakes flashes brake light indicator on windshield (when he pressed it more hardly), but other times when he is left braking possibly softer, the front braking lights on windshield doesnt light up. I dont think, thats kinda nice or clear. Other than that, he is awesome driver.
The front light is a decel light not a break light. You can slow down without hitting the breaks and you can hit the breaks without slowing down. It indicates a major slowing of momentum.
The Voice Judges need to be in this next year, they’d prolly do a better job then these ass kissers.. welp y’all got what u wanted.. a perfect victory that y’all help happen.. how do y’all sleep at night knowing y’all screwed the little teams outta moving on in a win with all these games y’all play.. it’s not just this track, it’s been all the tracks all yr..KK is better anyways GFSF
@@formuladrift yea I see ur point in this reply.. pls take a look at all the ways y’all judge Aasbo from a spectators POV.. it’s ridiculous.. everyone sees it but y’all.. read ur comments pls.. I’m not saying I won’t so and so to win I would like to see it judged fair..
Which one? On the Reeder one, the both had Zero's on their leads. That is an automatic OMT, regardless of the conditions, which happen to be the same for everyone.
