If u dont know whats happening - this is a university built car. Me and my guys from university also tried to participate at this one. We spent a lot of time, money and our resources to build a FE car. We was 3rd at Russia, but failed our quali to european series. We finished 21nd while it was 20. This car at video is sick, saw this one perfoming. We will try our best at 2021 season to fix our mistakes and build a new car, they also promise us bigger budget, even tho we dont have huge sponsors like RB. Maybe we ll apply for more carbon details. Later, Germany. UPD: Well corona f*cked up everything :( still hoping for P.S. Still faster than F1 Ferrari 2020
idk, for me it looks like the guy in the video is going really far away from some of the cones instead of inches away from touching. It actually really bugged me. Perhaps he doesn't know the width of the car.
Guys he learned the track thoroughly so he is already used to it so he is able to react to it. It’s not like he is reacting to the track live and going of off purely vision
That's not what I saw. It appears he/she got lost/forgot the next sequence twice in the first run and once more in the second. It was a sloppy set of runs and the driver needs to learn to backside those cones and they would cut a couple seconds off their time.
He is not used to it. He memorizes track beforehand yes, but he only gets 1 trial run and then last try to make good time. ((We saw those 2 laps here, trial and the last try))
@@ianbudgetrc2574 I was literally just about to say 'hope those Marshall's have a good lateral jump' 😂 rallycross was sketchy back in the day when the track would be laid out on wet grass, stock tire classes were basically an automotive slip and slide
Wow 😳 - I was on the UW formula SAE team back in 1992, when we used a fuel injected Honda CBR 600 engine with a turbocharger (modified/custom intake & exhaust, etc.). And I thought that was fast!
@@mnh1270 nah not exactly, ik formula 1 is the toughest... just felt this formula student track is so confusing and small... so felt like difficult... I was being sarcastic there
The fastest he goes is about 80 kmh at 1:32. Now imagine going more than 3 times that speed at 260-300 kmh on average. That's how fast f1 cars are. And you gotta take insane turns while maintaining that speed.
Warum fährt Formula Student nicht auf Kart Stecken? Bis man diese Strecke richtig drauf hat, dauert es doch Ewigkeiten 😀. Und welche Kriterien kommen neben den Zeit noch in Betracht um zu Gewinnen ? Oder geht es nur um die Zeit ?
Das wird wohl damit zusammenhängen dass es sein könnte dass manche Teams sich einen Vorteil dadurch verschaffen dass diese die Kartbahnen vorher mieten um ihre Autos speziell auf diese vorzubereiten, die Fahrer könnten sich also einen unfairen Vorteil verschaffen. Außerdem sind die meisten Events gerade deshalb auf großen Grand-Prix Strecken, weil dort einfach die Infrastruktur bereits besteht 100+ Teams unterzubringen :D Kartstrecken wären spannend, aber man muss aber auch dazu bedenken dass diese etwas weniger Auslauf haben als die abgestellten Strecken auf dem bsp. dem Hockenheimring. Das letzte was man will ist dass einem die Mühle bei 80Kmh auseinanderbricht und man frontal in nen Betonpfosten fährt... Die Formula-Student ist auf 1000 Punkte bewertet und auch wenn ich mich nicht mehr richtig erinnern kann wie die Punkte insgesamt aufgeteilt sind sind die Disziplinen : Endurance (~200-300 Punkte), AutoX wie hier gezeigt und Skidpad als Dynamische Disziplinen, wobei man Efficiency auch noch dazuzählen kann. Dann gibt es aber auch noch statische Disziplinen wie Design (Warum hat man was wie und wo gemacht), Cost-Event (Alle Kosten sollen dokumentiert sein) und Business-Plan (ein virtueller BP wird erstellt um das Auto in einer theoretischen Kleiserie zu verkaufen). Es kommt also nicht nur darauf an wie gut das Auto fährt... Es gab bereits Teams die teilweise schlechter gefahren sind als ihre Konkurrenten, sich aber auf das Podium gebracht haben indem sie sich gut auf die Statischen Events vorbereitet hatten und so dort einen Haufen Punkte ergattert hatten.^^
@@SacUnDruz German is my third language, so I am not going to write a comment in that. I am thinking about joining my university formula team, but the tracks between the cones are really bugging me. Why dont they use tarmac tracks for kartcross? It is basically the same thing. This way it is very unatractive for potential viewers. I think the machines that people working on them make are extraordinary, it would be very cool to see them in a proper race. Or isn´t the racing license an issue?
@@AdamPetr the FS is not about racing, it's about learning the engineering, marketing and everything that is connected to a project like this. Thus, the dynamic disciplines are meant to show the dynamics of these cars. Moreover you spend a LOT of time on designing and building a car - most parts are self made and there are not a lot of spare parts because of cost and time. Wheel to wheel would be too risky as there is always contact. Also you are not allowed to have a racing license to keep the playing field level. These events are the height of a season. After months of "sweat blood and tears" you finally can present your very own creation and show everyone what you came up with. It's a great experience and definetly worth it. And then a track made of cones won't bother you at all anymore ;D There are a lot of other reasons why they keep it on this "level" but I hope you get what I'm saying.
There is sooo much room for improvement in this lap holy sh*t. I know these are engineering students who are building these cars ( I was part of the Rutgers Formula aerodynamics team for a little while).
Here in EU universities make a car to compete each season. But it's very bs because some universities have huge sponsors like Red Bull in Austria so imagine the fairness of the competition lmao SOURCE: I've actually worked in the car of my uni. When I say unfair I mean both budget and r&d wise. But it's a fun thing to work on while you study
xYoshiLP there is no speed limit, just power limit for ev cars. Doesn’t make much sense to opt for more top speed on these tight tracks. You rather go for acceleration
@@ranchu8385 we do it in the united states and other countries too. It was actually started at my university (UT Austin) but the combustion team is kind of mediocre at this this point. Not sure about electric since I stepped away from FSAE to go work on a nasa project.
Weirdly enough I have just one question... Does the aero on the car really gives a big benefits in lap time ? I mean at such low speed, I'm wondering if the aero parts are really useful
They really are. It affects and influences greatly on how the car handles, specially accelerating and turning. It also helps with cooling the car depending on how well you design it. Aerodynamics is a seriously difficult subject. But the short answer to your question is yes. Plus, in this kind of competition, Formula Student, the participants are also ranked by the level of engineering of the car. So, if it's more well engineered and contains several aerodynamical features that are well documented, they perform better on the competition, because it also evaluates the project, not only the performance on track.
I think it's more on the tire grip, suspension, and the car's overall weight. Aero won't play much role when the driver only takes the corners at 30 to 40kph
there really isnt a racing line when it comes to a tiny track with cones. if he hits a cone his lap gets deleted so hes trying to go as fast as possible in the middle so he doesnt run wide
@@johnganggang9992 The wide lense makes this look narrower than it is. What I'm talking about is most obvious in the "chicanes", the driver starts turning well after the apex of the first corner and then doesnt straighten out until well after the apex of the second corner, as if trying to stay centred on the track on purpose. You've only got to take an extra 6 inches of racing room to maintain an additional 10mph through those corners. You'll also keep the car more settled and not have the loss of grip that was happening after each chicane.
@@TwoTwoFourSix The track is about 2 car widths wide. Not to mention that making aggressive steering inputs to stay 'centred' on the track is far more likely to cause you to unsettle the car and hit a cone (like nearly happened just after the start). If you let the car flow through the corners, it'll be easier to driver and much faster.
@@tilmandohrenbusch2402 alles nur spaß ✌ hatte ich mir schon gedacht. Jemand der Namen plus Leistung der Motoren drauf hat, kriegt kwh gerade noch hin ;) Aber die Orga / Technik-Witze werden halt nie alt 😬😬
You can’t really put too much of a price on it as they’re just one-off cars designed and built by students of each school/organization entering the competition.
@@joaopedrosambatti2474 that's a good point man. But you're Merc would still take off halfway through Mulsanne. 🤣 Just kidding, my Brazilian fella. I think the downforce doesn't still compensate for the weight but those guys are the engineering students not me. Thanks for your kindful feedback. 👊🏿
Hi ! The aerodynamics of this car produce around 500N of Downforce at 16 m/s and only have a weight of 12kg. Of course we calculate and simulate if the aero is worth its weight. :)
0:42-0:45 the mistake they made was the violent and late braking in the chicane, and flooring the throttle. In doing so, the torque rapidly increased causing the back wheels to decimate any and all grip/downforce on the car. When accelerating, imagine the throttle as having an eggshell underneath, and treat it with extra care Coming on the throttle to prevent it from cracking.
