Fr John Behr on Origen and Apocalypse 

Every time I listen to Father John I find myself entering more into the mystery of Christ, and leaving behind my own small theological concepts.

Excellent video! I could listen to Fr Behr all day.

So happy for you Sam, big get for your channel. Great discussion.

Loved it. Thanks, Sam. And Father Behr.

Fabulous conversation, love Fr. Behr and thank you Sam for your inquiring mind. Really enjoyed this.

Lots on the BoM have really cheered Behr and now I'm seeing why. Very much enjoying him. Thanks for introducing him to me Sam.

Wow, making myself do my chores before watching this as a HUGE reward. Super eager to hear this!

this was actually a mind-bender! it does bring the gospel into much fresher perspective!

So excited for this! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

What a treat getting to hear Fr Behr speak on Origen!

Fr. John, I always learn something when I listen to you. Thanks for doing this, God bless you! 🤗

I can't say I understood everything Fr Behr commented on, but the parts I *think* I understood were thought provoking. And I certainly appreciated Fr Behr's eager interest in the discussion. (I think it was more than just his accent that reminded me of Sir Anthony Buzzard.)

Really enjoyed this as well as your ongoing series on the church fathers. Thanks so much for sharing your work.

Great interview. Its always a pleasure to hear Fr John Behr. Would be great if you could have him again!

Superb interview, thanks so much.

So good! Love Fr. Behr ❤

wonderful converzation! one i’ll definitely be returning to again. (and mad cool, Sam! you’re giving Julian a run for his money haha) thank you, sirs!

Origen also explicitly uses Fr. Behr’s interpretation of “ages” and “days” in his homilies on Judges. Great content and great interview! Thanks

Fr. Behr is my favourite lecturer at Aberdeen - always makes me think more deeply!

Thanks.

Excellent Sam

@1:12:00 the point about causation working backwards between eternity and temporality. Then he gives the Isaiah and the Cross example🤯🤯

Brilliant!!!+

Very interesting discussion, thanks Sam. Question, does Fr Behr hold to Jesus as part of the Trinity? Maybe I missed something. The stuff about eternal vs creature time was a mind bender for sure!

Thanks Sam again for this excellent conversation. I do wonder how Fr. John Behr understands the theophanies in the Hebrew Scriptures and whether like Dr. Beau Branson they are taken to be the “one subject: The Risen Crucified Lord Jesus Christ”. Fr. John Behr seems to be saying that before the Crucifixion and Resurrection you would know him only as a man yet afterwards reading the events in the light of the Scriptures you come to see him as the Word and Son of God.

The interview's commentary starting at 1:19:00 is dead on. Turning to the Church Fathers makes re-reading the New Testament stranger, but also more enriching.

I’m somewhat used to being dazzled by the teachings of St Iranaeus when presented by Fr Behr. I didn’t expect this from Origen, l’ enfant terrible of the Orthodox world whom many hate to love or live to hate.

Another interesting discussion. Oh the politics of those early Christian “bishops“ and their presbyteres! Not having read origins “First Principles“, it sounds like he was describing more a triad than a Trinity? Fr. Behr consistently broke down the chapters into “God, Christ, the S/spirit“, which seems to be a differentiation between God and Christ. I found it interesting that Fr. Behr interprets Origen's understanding of the “beginning“ in John 1:1 as not being connected to the Genesis beginning? Also, that “the Word“ in John 1:1 is a reference to Jesus “after the incarnation“ and not to a “pre-incarnate“ being.

seems the diff between Origen and st Max logoi, is theyre already actualized in origen ( Tzamalikos, alludes in his books same), and in the incarnation christ became passible ; meaning there is or should be something to the temporal realm b4 getting lost in Gods activities / energies of immortality, as we dont become God by essence, but by grace

First!

Reminds me of reading Harold Bloom's "bible as literature" little blurb on Gospel of John. He read the opening poem as an anti-semitic replacement for the Genesis creation narrative 😂.

You’ve been rolling out videos like donuts at Krispy Kreme. Lol. Can’t wait to listen!

Christ is LORD

Who is the author he mentions on 2 volumes Revelation

Man, you listen to people like Fr. John Behr and you quickly realise that the Christian message you were taught as children in pretty much all denominations wasn't Christianity at all

I agree. Stop calling it the Old Testament.

Please pray for me, a homosexual.

Why are there so many lunatics in the Orthodox Church British and American. I'm an Englishman living in Russia 🇷🇺 Patriarch Kirill is a great and Godly man.Why are there so few like him.

I don't fully understand the "paratext" topic.

Old Testament is the correct Scriptural designation: 2 Corinthians 3. 14 palaias diathekes . It seems rather silly to say it is a problem having one book containing the whole canon of inspired Scripture, as if the canon itself (Bible) were the invention of the printing press.

A fine interview though I would suggest not interrupting your guest when they are midstream in sharing or fleshing out an idea. You do it throughout the interview.

Why are some people so preoccupied with these 'chrch Fathers'! Jude, Jesus half brother said way back in 55AD "THE FAITH WAS DELIVERED ONCE FOR ALL TIME TO THE SAINTS" ( Jude 3) That being the case nearly all the apostles in thier epistles WARNED the brothers that there would arise in the congregations, clever men who would corrupt the true teachings & draew away discples after themselves' Please read Acts 20:28-30. I ttim 4:1,2. 2 Peter 2:1-3. 1 John 4:1. Sadly most 'orthodox' teachings fulfill these warnings!

You ever tried growing a beard, Sam?

☦️🤝☪️First off, repent after the father educated you. Secondly, Fr. Behr is the one who represents Orthodoxy in the west, since all Church fathers believed in subordination & it is the exact view of our Nicene Creed, not Tuggy's. The Father is the One God - it is His essence that the share, it is His authority that is given to them, it is His will that they are co-equal with Him in power over creation & also by identity of essence. Christ is his Father's Logos (in God the Speech is a being not an attribute as it is with us!). And, no, actually the fathers already addressed & solved your so called problem, since we worship Christ & the Spirit, because only through them we worship the Father, since they are His "parts" so to speak, inseparable from Him, not lesser in divinity (the same essence cannot be greater than itself), but the Father is greater in glory, rank & role - they are *His* (btw you didn't reply to my argument about the Hebrew text, only said it is wrong - I could teach you how the Hebrew text works, of which I am fluent, you westerners constantly don't understand what it says). Re-edited: Fr. Behr discredited himself when he defamed Russia & his holiness Patriarch Kirill, so he is dismissed by me now.

You talk too much! Let your more knowledgeable guest speak!

quit talking over each other. i can’t comprehend anything with points constantly being interrupted.