France Is Overpowered - BR Changes January 2024 - War Thunder 

Gaijin punishing French players because they know other buttons other than pressing W is hilarious

ah yes char 25t and amx 50 at 8.0 while turm 3 is at 8.3.. funny af gajin

Can't wait to see Obj 279s and T-62M with the AMX 50 90 and BatChat, that's surely going to be a blast

What really tickles my pickle is that the 2S6 is now LOWER BR THAN THE TYPE 81 WHICH HAS NO RADAR OR GUNS. Let that sink in for a second

The problem with the French uptiers is that the game is way WAY WAY too compressed. You can't have tanks with 273 or 210mm pen face obj279 or t-55, or almost any Russian tank, or the US trolly armor tanks at that BR. Moving them up in tiers is not the way to go. 209mm pen for Char 25t. 273mm for Lorraine, Somua. How does moving them to a tier where they can't do anything solve a problem that is not really a problem? There are loads of BR brackets where specific countries are most powerful, like Germany with their Panthers and Tiget 2s, Russia with their T-series bullshit starting with 9.3 and above, the US with their jumbos and (in the past) 6.0-6.3 lineups. Now France has only 1 powerful lineup - 7.3-7.7 which goes to 8.0 so it can see stuff like XM-803 that has 3 tiny weakspots compared to the pen power of the 273mm pen. 3.

😭those 7.7 vehicles are the only reason i started grinding france

yeah, playing with a former 7.7 Lineup getting uptierd on 9.0 and dies instantly because enemies got stabilized canons and thermal seems pretty fair......

Strela only 9.7 meanwhile the type81 is 11.0 larf

The amx13 fl11 going to 4.3 is absolutely insane. That thing is worse than a chaffee in every way, but just shows you how silly balance really is in this game.

the most stupid one for me may be the AMX-10P, you have one less gun than the truck AA, less survivability because of the crew and shit armor and less mobility... the only adavantage you get is APDS with 66mm of pen and less post pen damage than .50cals. The truck is a good AA and a meme milk truck that can kill some ground units, the AMX-10P is not that. At this rate by the end of the year, france will have a lot of lineups at the highest br of the game, because all their vehicles will be moved there lol

The Pvkv III is now higher br than the Pvkv IV even tho they have the same gun with the same reload. A wobbly chassis with no turret traverse is not very good, how surprising.

Yeah France is far from op. While I love the AMX-13 (FL 11) it is honestly is not particularly good. It has horrible pen (just over 90mm), is easy to kill, has a poor reverse speed, poor gun handling, and requires actual skill to use and stupid enemies. On top of that France constantly gets stuck with German mains which just makes everything harder. Stop punishing French mains for being capable of thinking and breathing at the same time.

Char going up while obj 907 dosnt, even tho 907 is better in every way, now explain to me how russian bias dosnt exist its slower, has lower pen APHE (dosnt pen KT turret front at 200+m), dosnt have heat at all making it completly toothless aganist many tanks, nonexistent gun elevation will get you killed alot, bigger profile with bigger turret that has no armor and will IK you, only 0.3s faster reload, the only thing this tank has is slightly trolly hull (like 15% of the time, 85% is IK anyway)

The T20 doesn't make any season, it's basically the 5.7 Sherman, just shorter and has less ammo selection. I simply don't understand it, it isn't bad, but it's basically no match for most enemies at 6.3. I'd rather have a T-34/85 honestly.

Oh yeah absolutely, place the whole 7.7 french ground line up at 8.0 which the only thing that makes them good is the reload and mobility it will be hella fun facing apfsds/apds, composite armor, thermals, autoloaders and laser rangefinders, but of course we are our autoloader is so overpowered and our solid shot??? dont even mention that now we we’re perfectly balanced facing things like the T-55AM1’s in our overpowered 1946 prototype AMX-50, and the VIDAR is still 8.0 lol

The french tree is hardly op since the only way it works is that you have good brains. The only one i could understand going up on br would be somua sm since that is just disgustinly op. If a player survives tier 1 and 2 with france it turns out the player is much better than german and soviet ones. The to50 and char 25 were not good to begin with. At 7.7 200mm pen only works if youre not facing soviets or germans since most of the maps are corridors anyways. I can bet if france was being played by average german mains everything would drop by 1 br prettymuch instantly. Balance tanks based on stats instead of player stats you never get balance if other players barely have a working brain and when the other tree is shit unless you have one.

TEC the amx 13 fl11 is worse than the m24 in every way except top speed forward, its not powerful at all unless you fight someone who cant aim, unstabilised, bad GH, no roof mg, no reverse gear, at least the dca 40 makes sense because it has such good gh it might aswell be stabilised and the gun has 10mm less pen but 10x the fire rate of the amx 13 fl11

Dang. I literally just reached 7.7 France. My motivation to keep going is ruined. I’ll still grind air because I want the Rafale when it gets added, but idk about ground anymore.

"France is so overpowered" TEC says as he struggles to kill a 5.3 medium tank in his 7.3 french vehicle. Are you kidding me? Most of the times i die in french vehicles because the likelyhood of 1 shots is so low compared to other vehicles that you will shoot, maybe pen, and have done so little damage that the enemy tank can just turn their turret to you and shoot through your paper thin armor. This is even if i can get my untabilized gun on target quick enough.

"Now look, deep down I know the France br changes are dumb as hell, but I hate them so..."- Canadian.

Surprised to see the T95 going up, honestly they arent hard to deal with

If they keep this up, people will only play Russian vehicles cause they're the only ones that somehow dont get balanced

In what way is the amx-13 fl11 powerful? It is not extremely mobile, having poor mobility on any surface but asphalt. It's got worst in tier gun laying, bad depression, no .50 cal, and it's got a bad reload when compared to other lights. It blows! the char 25t is tier for tier the single worst vehicle in game.

Finally I can fly 11.3 in without getting smoked by several su27 and jas39

Poor T20 6.0 was already high enough for it, now they are moving it to 6.3

Id really like to have the Tiger II H plot armor seeing as it makes it immune to any BR change ever

Oh man t20 going to 6.3 not sure why dont really see the t20 in matches these days. Sure the trans is good and the gun is nice but still dont really see them. Somua is just going up because its got very trolly armour. This change sort of kills the 7.7 french line up now people have to rely on the 50 surbaisse for a 7.7 heavy tank. Kind want gaijin to put the md451's at 7.0 -7.3

DCA40 straight to 5.0 not even 4.7....

Tiger 2 escapes another br change. 😂

strela goes up 0.4.. type 81 goes up a whole BR. the strela missiles act like homing missiles in thes old top down race games (yes i am old).. either they nerf the rockets on it or i needs to go up further

Falcon at 8.3 and the two spaas above it 8.3 that’s cool, also why move up tue tpk? It isn’t a god vehicle it’s just a French bosvark

The fact that the A6M5 Ko is going to 5.3 while the DERP J2M5 is going to 5.0 along with the formerly tier II J2M2 just shows that basing BR on statistics does not work as the only reason those planes do so well is that tankers use USA fighters like P47s and Mustangs as bomb trucks to farm SL. Look at how the D series mustangs are all going down in BR for the 4th time in like 2 years, its nothing but tankers using the cheap USA repair costs to farm SL by pressing spacebar.

the french autoloading 90mms around the 7.7 BR have huge issues dealing with the superheavies, particularly the soviet ones. they are however very effective against most other vehicles.

so britain won't have any aa between 5.3 and 8.3, with 3 different AAs at 8.3... thanks gaijin

Instead of a new french aa to fill out the tech tree we get the same aa but higher in br..... what

i bought Somua SM just before its nerf to 7.7, and now it goes to 8.0 ? once more french line ups and fun are destroyed... i love gaijin

Gaijin is incompetent and incapable of properly managing WT

So they ruin the 7.3 BRs then ruin the only good br left at 7.7 for france when they barely have any competitive reason to play above it in the first place.

The need to move the T95 back down to 6.7

Chaffee > amx13fl11 in almost everyway, lol

Stella must be 11.0 in special with the fake ir think.

Leopard 40/70 being immune to overpressure before sure explains why I couldn't damage one at long range with the AMX13 DCA 40, even though normally it can at least take out some crew from open topped vehicles with the HE.

I don't have a problem with APFSDS or AP ammo on gun system AA. It should be strong in close combat because gaijin forces everyone to use tanks incorrectly with these tiny maps. Maps need to be 9-16-15 square kilometers before spawn camping and strong AA performance get reduced naturally.

in 1 year Sagittario 2 is going to fight mig29 su 27 F16 etc. LOL

yeah might be the time to abandon france sure some of those tanks where op but this is still a fatal blow to this tech three in my eyes 😓

Rip 7.7 France

My guy really said France is op... exposed he never plays the tree.

What bugs me a bit is that my french fun line ups get torn apart. Imo its not the players fault that they have good games when they have mastered the good french line ups but Gaijin punishes them for having good games in vehicles most people dont give a look at. Wich simply isnt fair imo. 9.0 will be a tough challenge for those tanks with there rounds.

NOO my beloved Falcon

Really not sure why the T20 is going to 6.3, it's definitely not much better than a panther if at all.

Ebr is going 8.0 ☠️☠️☠️

i really don't get why the amx-13 fl 11 has to be that high.. it's just an unstabilised chaffee, ok the chaffee is a very good vehicle but that doesn't mean that the fl 11 has to be so much higher then it.. also the french mid-tier is becoming a reall problem with them always moving it up and up.. yes the vehicles have the autoloaders and ok-solid mobility but they have no armor and only solid shot plus the pen on most of them is way below average.. the char 25t was already a very slow and anoying to use light tank in 7.3 with only it's oneshot potential in flanks beeing the only thing that kept it from beeing garbage.. but now in 8.0??? wtf are you suposed to do with a 6.3-6.7 gun in 8.0 on a tank that is really slow for a light vehicle, has an insanely wobly turret and gun and only a bit over 200mm pen.. like breh gaijin. I get it, 4s autoloader is fast and the bullet has some oneshot potential.. but you never get to use it cause you just can't get into a flank quick enough. also rank IV american mediums should all go down a br, not up.. they have nothing going for them over there competerors. the american 90mm isn't very good, they are slow, don't have great armor (only the turretface) and unlike the shermans they don't have a stabiliser to save them.. so if they do that they also have to move up the tiger II (h)'s, the ferdinand and jagtiger, the E100 and maus and all the other heavy armored germans i'm not trying to be a little bitch about this but german vehicles have been way to good for way to long and any minor nation that is doing somewhat well against them because of braindead players get punished for it.. This problem will only get worse and worse now that war thunder is getting more new players and won't be fixable by changing the br's arround like this.. or we need another big decompression or we need a new way for new players to get used to the game without getting curbstomped by more exprerienced players (like different servers/battles for low level player, or some other kind of passive skill balancing)

I can assure you, that the Falcon doesn't care about BR increases at all. I killed countless TURMS and helis with it. It just needs to have the APDS removed and it can go down to 7.3 or 7.7, where it was years ago.

T20 to 6.3 is dumb, but also keeping the T25 unstablized at 6.3 is also stupid. Not to mention gaijin moving thr M26s to 6.7 is even idiotic...

TEC, you're going to need to remake your F-5E video. Now it will be same BR as the jets that have always feasted on it - J-7E, etc. And it now sees F-16A, and obviously, still sees those with PL-5C/PL-8 (J-8F/JH-7A). Going to be a rough time for it.

Why is max ground 11.7 and air max 12.7??? Can someone explain thanks

I always get killed at a kilometer or more after driving for several minutes in the t95, I don't play it at all anymore

one thing m882 only pen 395mm not 522mm like the IPM1 i gues +23 mm pen and + 0.7br

T20 to 6.3? Lmao so stupid. It should be 5.7

This is not fair man The ONLY redeeming thing about France is their 7.7, now making it face 9.0 stabilized, armored, fast tanks is unacceptable This is just F-in crazy and kills the whole tech tree Somua has no zoom, no speed, just gun and armour, mind you after 8 shots it takes AGES to reload, you want to say this is in par with Leo 1? Really or the Russian objects with stabs or T55-A's? Get the F out

👍. Like I said before the br changes are a disaster. This just keeps proving it. Really glad I didn’t buy the t 20. was on the fence about buying it after. I realised it went up to 6.0. With 6.7 - 7 br matches most of the time. Not a br it belongs in. Now they are over br’ing it. Yeah definitely not…. They r moving the sm up to 8.0. Wow. The tank isn’t that good. Why aren’t they thinking??? They just keep proving…….

I wished they fixed the rank of the swedish T-80U, because he is 11.0 and don t have access to 3BM46 (which is correct because the russian Export round is 3BM42), but is rank VIII while the soviet T-80 is 11.3 and have access to 3BM46 but is rank VII. Because of this im going to have to research a whole efing line all the way back to the tank before the bkan, almost 2 million rp because of this absolute bs. And before the update i had the strv 122A Available to research and buy, now im fucked up.

Gaijin should stop balancing vehicles purely on how people do with them, but rather around their relative combat capabilities. Ever since they had the stupid idea of balancing the game using repair costs, France became a nation only playable by the experienced players because the repair costs were so taxing that the average player couldn't face them. They have largely fixed this earlier this year of course, but the effect of the former politic is lingering. Add too this that the French tanks do need some skills to really make them shine, this will always be a nation that is more popular as a second or third tree and therefore played by more seasoned players. Therefore, their will ALWAYS do better than their relative power. But they can't balance them around this because otherwise those French mains who are entirely new to the game will get wrecked and very average players like me will face overwhelming uptiers which we will have no fun in. Can I also add how much the fact that we can be uptiered one full BR higher and downtiered one full BR makes the game almost impossible to balance? You not only have to make a tank good enough at its own BR, but it needs to be able to compete in full uptiers, but also not crush everything in full downtiers. That multiplies massively the number of tanks it needs to be compared to. They should limit the uptier/downtier limit to 0.7 BR. This would be much more manageable and make our games much more significant. I don't mind waiting a bit more for getting games as a side effect. At least my games will be more fun and less a frustrating.

i think m36 shells at 8.0 is still going to be op. personally i think they should make the bc25t the new top tier light tank, the current ones don't have stabilizers anyways so it wouldn't be too much of a difference. i'm really sad they still didn't bring the tiger 1 and panther down to 4.3 tho where they should be, keeping my fingers crossed for historical matchamking 🤪🤪🤪🤪

This is pure punishment for us french mains. We have no stabilizers no armour we run out of ammo after 7 shots. I cant even play the 25t it cant pen anything. Now im gonna be facing bradleys more BMPs. I barely survive 7.7 man

The ground changes are atrocious the char25t whenever I start playing a vehicle thats fun this happens. Guess gaijin looked at my 4+kd in the char and that surely means that its op it definitely has nothing to do with...being an abobe average player??

Nice, just talismanned my 7.7 French line up and now it’s getting cucked. Gaijin honestly need to get a grip of their stupid shitty game

Me when the actually skilled players (France Mains) get punished

SO YOURE THE REASON WHY THEYRE MOVING THE FRENCH VEHICLES UP!!! THAT SUCKS ASSS

Why the Leo 2a7 and Strv 122B+ aren’t going to 12.0 blows my mind

Are you really all that surprised ? They kinda untouched the french vehicles last big br change, it was coming for sure. Like the F-15 will be moved to 12.7 on the next br change ...

Does bothering to research top tier AA vehicles even worth it anymore? I mean even top tier missile AA can't do shit, since JAS39s and other CAS planes just climb high enough (into the deadzone of ground based radars), that they don't even get rendered anymore from the ground (i play with maxed out graphics btw), drop laser/TV guided ordnance at anyone, using great zooming thermal optics, while flying at low speed. At this point CAS is just too OP to be countered by ANY anti-air vehicle.

The M51 should go up in BR. The AMX-13 is worse in NEARLY every way but size and its 6.7. I Just want there to be a reason for Heavy Tanks to exist and a Sherman spitting an 8.0 shell is stupid as hell.

for the tpk and the amx13 fl11 I can anderstand but the amx 10p even with apds its bad

Is this actually live??

The amx 13 FL 11............. is .6 higher than the chaffie..... which has the same gun and a 50. Cal.... and more crew....... and a stabilizer.... the char 25 can't wait to shoot a tank with my aphe with 209 mils of pen and it has Era stabilizer thermals Armour apfsds its faster prolly an auto loader.... 😅 yay

If the T20 had apds i wouldn't care. All the other tanks with that gun seem to have it.

Type 81 at 11.0 is basically useless good job gaijin. Like always. Have fun trying to shoot down F16’s and Tiger UHT in an uptier

"France is overpower" Also France that has the least and most skilled players. Are you sure it's the tech tree or the players?

Hmm falcon at 8.3? I don't mind more light vehicles to clap. The falcon would do worse at 6.x/7.x than 8.x and above XD on the other hand they can fill the gap the brits have in the aa line up with the stormer since its still utterly useless against planes.

Every single ground br change is ridiculous, even tue strela only going up by 0.3.... they should just cancel the ground portion of these changes

13:10 lol

i laugh so hard people struggle to kill a leo aa and any other aas like the r3

AMX-13 (FL-11) at 4.3: small "fast" M24 at 3.7: 50 cal stabilized gun better reverse gear more crew yeah, france is op... Personally I don't care much about this, I've already passed this part and I really think that the FL11 still can handle this (even having its capabilities getting worse and worse every br changes). But come here and saying that france is op... man, that is a total lie. I really enjoy play french but it's not that strong people say and it have one of the most difficult lines to play without premium (I mean, the premiums aren't that great at toptier anyway, just the Somua and maybe the Dauphine saves it maybe). The french best br is (or was used to be since the chat25t is going to 8.0) 7.7. Yeah, there are things to come and go, but man, seriously, there are a lot more important things to talk about in br changes than "france is op". It's not a direct attack, it's just an opinion of a man that played the whole french tt without any premium tank or aircraft.

T95, why😭

but the lorraine and amx 50 toa100 stay at 7.7 🤔🤔

LMAO guess they haven't made enough money on the VIDAR yet. That thing should be rank 6 atleast, let alone have its BR massively raised.

leopard 40/70 needs to get the **** out of ww2 br

Fingers crossed for M16 MGMC for France in March.

Ah ha ha ha E.B.Rs go brrrum brrrrumm

kinda annoying japanese r2y2 is still not getting a BR change

so why are the APHE 7.7 french tanks going up? they have like 210 pen and no stab. meanwhile the lorraine 40t and amx50 100 with 273 pen is still 7.7? broken the entire lineup now they face 2nd gen mbts with stab and apfsds every game such bs. rewarding good players with a nerf

yeah okay french autoloaders are good But do they deserve to be able to see fully stabilised vehicles with HEATFS an APFSDS while having only AP with no HE filler themselves? The CORRECT and ONLY answer is NO. How the hell is a tank with 209mm of pen going to be able to deal with any form of t54, t55 or t62? The simple answer is they cant. And they won't be able to. The Char 25t doesn't need its BR increasing, the Somua doesn't need its BR increasing, and the AMX 50 TOA90 is literally weaker than its 100mm counterpart and yet is being move up in BR because only good players have the vehicle. This is a dig at an already low playerbase for france at the best french lineup because its fun and enjoyable, and the majority of french players use it because of this. What will happen is the Somua SM will lose SOME playrate, but then the Char 25t and the ebr 1963 (which already like 3 people still use) will simply just lose all their playerbase and people will continue to use the AMX 50 surbaisse, lorraine 40t and the AMX 50 TOA100. This change accomplishes NOTHING but reduce the number in the lineup and kill off an already weak batch of vehicles (char 25t and amx 50 toa90.) The vehicles that actually need their BR increasing remains in the Russian tech tree continually. 2S38, 2S6, T55AM-1.

Also unsurprisingly, the only things that don't get nerfed are German and Russian OP tanks. Again, a skill issue...

Ah yes, now the AMX-50 and the BatChat will face T-62's, T-55AMD, Chieftain Mk10, Type 74F, OF-40 Mk2 and Magach 6M. Tanks with luxuries such as ERA, APFSDS, two-plane stabs, laser range finders and night vision. You cannot argue that this BR change is positive. It is flat-out a crime. To me, this whole shitshow is indicative that BR-decompression and rebalance should be Gaijin's prio #1.

Just f move 2s38 at least to 11.0!

AMX-50 too OP, cant be Surbaissémaxxing any more

They destroyed and unbalanced the French tech tree again 7.3, 7.7, 8.0, 8.3 are now destroyed thx gaijin

Type 81 is about to be useless lol they need to buff IR missle range or add a death barrier for sky box so stuff can't be out of bounds killing spaa but the SPAA can't counter it I had a AH64 out of the map 6k away and I couldn't lock him but he was fully able to kill me with atgms fix spaa as cas is way to overpowered id rather op SPAA then op cas man

I... Seriously disagree with you that the 7.7 French tanks are overpowered. The penetration is really good. But only at the BR they're at right now. They only use solid shot, do not have armor virtually at all, and have limited ammo racks. Strong? Yes. If you know how to use them. Overpowered? Definitely not. And ABSOLUTELY not enough for them to be shoved up in BR to face fully-stabilized tanks with vastly superior armor. You cannot give me a good enough argument to justify placing the Lorraine against a downtiered modern-day tank with APFSDS, full stabilizer, and laser rangefinder, and Thermals, of which the 7.7 French lineup has none of. Also, BS the main counter to the AML is "AuToCaNnOnS". The damn thing can be penned from the side by 5.57 LMGs. In other words, it gets penned by LITERALLY EVERYTHING!