GAIJIN RESPONDS - Challenger 2 Debacle - War Thunder 

That is not how that works.

@@FXIIBeaver Saying that would make more sense if I argued they should be twice as good because they are twice the size and weight, which I did not nor would I. It’s more logical that there is a benefit than not, it could be to mitigate tandem charge warheads or multi hit durability etc etc. Extra girth and weight for the sake of it is highly doubtful.

2s38 uses bmp3 chassis and t-90m uses t90a chassis with an assumption being made that the turret cheeks are the same

This strikes me as similar to how in-game stingers are modeled along the same performance as Russian missiles even though they are remarkably different. That is why vehicles like the Strela massively overperform but the Santal, type 93 and FIM 92ks underperform.

Update,Smin answered to Legwolf and said will handle the new report personally : " Please tag me with the report when its completed. I will handle it."

@@PepegaSquadFlying Well that's promising atleast, Smin from my experience has been a pretty stand-up guy especially how he constantly deal with whiney manchildren thinking that he's the reason the devs make such horrible decisions all the time even though he's just the Community Manager.

@@TamamoF0X Scratch that,he just passed the batton to Trickzzter and the dude is not bugging the reports.

@@PepegaSquadFlying Devastated, looks like the poor Chally will continued to be abused by the snail.

And then theres the 2s38

It depends on ukraine, bunch of the top tier tanks were knocked out there, T90M, Leopard 2 A6, Challenger 2, T72B3, polish T72s,T64 Oplot, sooner or later M1A2 and so on, its only a matter of time until some classified info becomes public after testing & being taken apart.

@@DerDrecksack87i am waiting on Russian reports of captured tanks as the tend to publicise any findings.

THAT what we get when they accep your idea ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gV9_Ihz8dYQ.html

​@@DerDrecksack87Even if Ukraine would release said information its still classified so Gaijin cant use it no matter what.

@@nuklear7074 I am not talking about the forums, either ukraine, russia or a third party will 100% put it up in the internet on several websites, once its in circulation it cant be really classified anymore, you will never get rid of it from military blogs & foreign hosted sites. The involved governments might still claim it as classified but i doubt they would really care about WT or Wikipedia, as foreign countries (china, iran and so on) will get it first hand anyway and thats the important issue for them. They have an exhebition near Moscow with a bunch of captured western equipment that is still in working condition, including tanks & IFVs so every civilan can take pictures of the fire contorls and so on, that is already a big leak in itself.

oddly enough it's not the players that benefit from the ERA, it's the AI on the PvE version of sands of sinai.

Gaijin can't go 5 minutes without contradicting themselves. Italy just isn't liked by Gaijin for some reason. Maybe the CEO got rejected by an Italian woman when he traveled to Europe.

@@krunchie101copium. Maybe. Just maybe. No tank is nearly as good as the owning nation claims.

@@FXIIBeaver Yes, but certain tanks have their best possible configurations while others....

@@krunchie101 except all tanks have the same exact weaknesses. Except for the BVM. It has a weakness most tanks don’t have.

They damaged the turret ring only and then a FPV drone killed it

It would be good, if they bothered to actually read the tickets. They didn’t even get the correct armour side package in the dev blog which shows the complete lack of care and attention.

at least they're finally being specific about what they need.

Hopefully never

the reload is meant to be as it is, its not a bug its literally intended

@@uisce_ gaijin have acknowledged that the vt4 should have a 6.5 second autoloader also in real life the ztz99a has a 6.5 second autoloader and APS

This Tank is NOT build to Hull Down. The Lower Hull have Stronger Armor with the Upgrades then the Abrams Turret Armor So Calm Down and Chill. The Chally is for a Reason a Bunker Tank. Show in Sources about Iraq War Chally 2 laughs with his Power about Abrams who dies in Afgahnistan, Iraq, etc so many times from a Simple RPG7 Shot or some Tow Rockets who didnt even Scrathed in the Real World the Chally 2 So before you say some stuff you possible not Understand inform yourself a bit about it.

what the fuck are you talking about? the doctrine that the Chally 2 was designed for was to literally go hull down and snipe soviet tanks that were advancing into western europe. and im from the UK, i know about the chally lil bro...@@fernandojohnsen7639

who told u this @@fernandojohnsen7639 🤣

​@@fernandojohnsen7639You got any proof that the lfp of the Challenger 2 is stronger than the depleted uranium turret face of the M1A2.

@@IceAxe1940 My Sources are War Proofen. Whats the Differnce btw. Dorchester and Chobham. Or Uranium and Relikt Armor ? Quick Info here. The first 2 Chally Tanks are only Fitted with Dorchester L2 Armor for Turret and Hull. The third Variant Chally 2F is Upgraded with Wolframm, Siliciumcarbonat. Uranium Armor. 200mm Between the Dorchester Armor, Kevler und Keramik Plates. Behind the Armor is an 50mm steel PLate. Its for Turret Front, Side and Hull front upper and lower Part. Include the Dorchester 2F Armor Pack infront of the Lower Hull. Any Other Variant wich comes after the 2F is fitted with the Same amount of Armor. Now you know the First step why the Chally 2 is and will stay the strongest Protected Tank in this Entire World. The Armor is Capable to deafeat over 2000mm HE or HEAT Projectiles when we can trust the Source wich is btw. Now Proofen thx to Ukrain. Kornet Rockets didnt damage the Tank, Attacka Rockets too. I mean on the Weakspots like the Side wich isnt really an Weak spot on this Tank is critical when a Kornet will hit the Side Lower Hull without extra Armor or Packs or anything. Now the Abrams. The Chally and Abrams are close to the years they fought in War. Their are some differences between the Armor, Penetration, Mobility, History, Power etc. Abrams is more Mobile, less Armor cause its only Steel and Chobham Armor. Chobham Armor is the First Armor Variant for the British Chally 1. Its the Upgraded Stuff from what the Chieftain got. Its 1,5 times stronger then Steel. Uranium Upgraded Armor only Existed in 6 Tusk 2 Abrams and in the SEPV3 Variant no other Abrams used it. In Afgahnistan 1 M1A2 Tusk with DU armor got destroyed from an Tow Rocket threw the Front Turret. I was a Soldier in Afgahnistan theese days. I saw a lot of American Stuff goes BOOM. Abrams is not exclusive or OP or even stronger then other Tanks. Its for his Area he fights in a Beast yeah. I mean he is maybe stronger then Russian Tanks wich is only Proofen against T72, 80B, T64, T62, BMP2, T54 Tanks. He never faced an T80U, or an T72B3 or an T90M/MS, etc. I mean in Ukrain 3 Abrams got killed in 2 Days. 2 From Kornet rockets 1 threw the Side Turret, and 1 Threw the Front Turret. 1 T72B killed an Abrams 500 meters away with a One Shot threw the Turret Ring. The Armor maybe is strong but this is not the Point. The Armor is Only Upgraded with DU Fist Generation Armor with DU. The Difference Between Chally 2 and Abrams is the Armor from the Chally is Priority Number 1, Firepower Number 2 and Mobility Number 3. Abrams is Mobility Number 1, Firepower 2 and Armor 3. The Chally uses the Strongest Armor his Times Dochester L2 Armor wich is a little bit stronger then Even Relikt Armor and Relikt is from 2015 Dorchester L2 Armor is from 1995. The New Chally 3 Just in case got an Armor Upgrade 2 the Armor is 6 times stronger then Steel. and 2 Times stronger then DU Armor. The Abrams X is just Garbage the Armor Parts are less, the weight is less, Mobility is Fire, Firepower is good but not even the third place. The Abrams is not a great Tank. He is good. The Armor lacks af. Afgahnistan Proofed it. Iraq. Lybia, Libanon, even Africa proofed it. etc. A lot of Abrams explode from Turret shots. With or Without DU Armor, Zero Chally is ever Destroyed in an Serious Combat Fight. The 1 Abonden in Ukrain destroyed an Entire Convoi and got stuck from a MIne, the Russians tried 5-6 Hours to kill this tank from Distance. Kamikaze drones helped in this Point. Abrams just explode when you throw a Stone at this Tank. Abrams maybe fought 2 Years more then a Chally 2 But they faced close the Same Enemys and Abrams got pinned into the ass from 3BM42 Apfsds, 3BM11 Apfsds, Even Heat or HE killed this Tankj, Rpg7 Rockets 74, Tow ok Tow Rockets are strong af with around 1200mm Penetration but the Chally give a Shit if its a Tow, Attacka, Kornet whatever, the Tank defeated alone 2 Mi28 Helicopters in Iraq. The Chally is a Sniper Rifle in a Bunker with acceptable Speed for his Amount of weight from the Armor. The Abrams is an High Explosive Shell with a Gas Turbine wich give him the Speed from an Ferrari be like. The Talliban and this is the Only Point I can say the Tank is great. They Fear the Tank not for Armor, Mobility, no for Firepower sometimes the Army put 3 50 Cals on the tank roof. I mean yeah against Cars this thing is daamn effective I would run too when I hear the Sound from an enemy 50 cal. But the Abrams is not great Protected or even reached this. He is Protected like the Chally 1 for 1980 Desert storm extremely Strong but for 2024 This guy SUCK

Except that Russia is still using tanks from the 80s and 70s with no major design changes. Ukraine argues K5 has 250mm of KE protection. While in game it only has 150 but relict has 250. Sounds like K5 is under performing.

What u want ? Give your challenger 600mm mantlet armor?

@@FXIIBeaver Tbf, do we really think that any era block can stop that much kinetic energy lmao. To me it sounds like Russians and Ukrainians makin up bull lmao

@@mr.waffentrager4400 not a chally* player, but I do agree it needs a stronger mantlet. Britain’s may be insufferable, but they ain’t stupid, and definitely not stupid enough to make the mantlet that weak…

@@bensherohuntershelp-wi4dr they are not stupid, giving armor to mantlet is hard thats why most designs try to make the mantlet small, mantlet on t-80 or leopard 2a5 is as small as it can be. the truth is there is no composite in challenger mantlet, and definitely not 600mm of steel.

Someone else knows the combat armor loadouts

average big warthunder youtuber

Yup, he said the exact same shit about the Abrams. “I get it, it sucks. But gaijin is super consistent in what they expect and enforces it exactly the same way every time”

Seethe and cope. If you can make a better warthunder by all means please go make a better warthunder.

​@@FXIIBeaverpeople are bruh they have ghpc

Not to mention games like steel beasts but keep being ignorant

i played a majority of nations to atleast 11.0 minus China and Israel ( planes only on russia to 9.3)

But they don't

as of now Russia has a 50 percent winrate, sweden has the highest of 71 percent

i would have to call that one on the players, ain't no way NATO can still complain after the 2A7V got added, Strv 122B+ was added and the Abrams got a massive buff.

Germany's taking over currently.

​@@MOGTHUNDERRData is not public either way, and thunderskill is unreliable.

Both of them used outdated sources, the sources they use literally have addendum from years later that adds an “as costumer see’s fit” clause effectively making the amount of DU hulls to be acquired by America to effectively infinite

@@theliteralworst9416seriously tho And they’re like someone who said they’re a driver said there’s no DU ARMOR or spall liner in the Abrams Like motherfucker Someone claimed to be And even the dumbfuck dude who said he was and provided he was in the service actually lied and just took a picture with the tank He was a logistical troop lmfao

@@theliteralworst9416 if you are right, then there is nothing stopping you from proving redeffect, Spockston and gaijin wrong by giving prove with source

@@einfachignorieren6156 people already have lol

@@einfachignorieren6156the only thing Spookston said was he thinks DU was added only on the SEP v3 possibly, not that none of them received it at all. He said it’s possible production Abrams had DU hulls before the v3 he just doesn’t have concrete proof.