Francis Chan, James White, and Controversy over the Eucharist 

Protestantism is false. Please come back to the church Jesus founded. 50,000+ denominations thanks to Protestantism and their solo scriptura nonsense. God bless you.

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John Florio and what exactly is that? Because what I heard him say, is nothing like what Catholics say. Please be more specific and fully explain exactly what Catholics say about transubstantiation.

Thank God, the more the merrier! Hope he brings his partitioners with him!

Yes that the Catholics literally EAT AND DRINK BLOOD?...,BLIND AND DON'T KNOW IT...SO SAD.

@Harry Waddington Jesus said,"I am the Bread of Life....does that mean He is literally a bread?

@@eagleeyes6642 You have chosen to leave Jesus as many did in John 6:66. I choose to stay with Him and His Church.

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aad schram She sure did - 18 years ago. Hers is a great story. chnetwork.org/journey-home/patty-bonds-baptist-became-catholic-journey-home-program/

Dang that must of left a sour taste. I actually feel bad for him now.

Random Person yes, can you imagine. She became Catholic some years back after sustaining years of sexual abuse by her pastor father. Her brother James, instead of defending or helping her, which any loving brother would do (Christian or not), has only rubbed salt into her wounds. Says a lot about his character.

@@alidavalmorbida4368 she is a saint!

Hi Dee do you mind me asking, are you a protestant?

You're so right. Not only Catholics, but the Orthodox, the Lutheran's, and the Anglican's believe in the real presence in some way.

You're right about their belief in the real presence, but not transsubstantiation, which Lutherans specifically reject as well as Eucharistic adoration. Even if they keep uneaten consecrated hosts at the altar, that's not the same as Eucharistic adoration. Lutherans, for example, believe that the bread and wine, when consecrated, really are the body and blood of Christ, but reject the substance/accidents distinction and would also say that the bread and wine don't stop being bread and wine, as shown by Paul's statement after consecration "when you eat this bread and drink this cup." 1 Corinthians 11:25 As for anglicans, this is what article XXVIII states: "The Supper of the Lord is not only a sign of the love that Christians ought to have among themselves one to another, but rather it is a Sacrament of our Redemption by Christ's death: insomuch that to such as rightly, worthily, and with faith, receive the same, the Bread which we break is a partaking of the Body of Christ; and likewise the Cup of Blessing is a partaking of the Blood of Christ. Transubstantiation (or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine) in the Supper of the Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ; but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of a Sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions. The Body of Christ is given, taken, and eaten, in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner. And the mean whereby the Body of Christ is received and eaten in the Supper, is Faith. The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper was not by Christ's ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up, or worshipped." As for Eastern Orthodox, they don't (to my knowledge) have any unified statement on the matter, but I would agree they teach Real Presence.

Yeah most of Christendom believes that the Eucharist is more than purely symbolic. Yet, it's all about Catholic Christians. We truly are living in their heads rent free.

@Dee Cee I am so tired of this "pray for the Catholic Priests and the altar boys they molest". Old and played out line *yawns* How easy is it to pick on one structured, monolithic, ancient, glass skyscraper, compared to picking on 40,000 shards of scattered glass? Protestantism is rife with scandals my dear. Rife. Every year. But nobody wants to get cut by shards of glass. But thanks for your thoughtful intentions of prayer for Mother Church.

thankful to Trent Horn for this.. Watching this make my faith stronger and stronger as a catholic..

Simple faith

Just how Roman Catholics claim Augustine as Doctor of the Church but don't accept everything he taught.

@@hexahexametermeter like what?

@@arthurledezma2460 "Ever since the time when by one man sin thus entered into this world and death by sin, and so it passed through to all men, up to the end of this carnal generation and perishing world, the children of which beget and are begotten, there never has existed, nor ever will exist, a human being of whom, placed in this life of ours, it could be said that he had no sin at all, with the exception of the one Mediator, who reconciles us to our Maker through the forgiveness of sins."

@@hexahexametermeter still waiting So Jesus is the only Mediator, but as we part of Jesus body we are part of that meditation, you dont know that?

Your comprehension is poor. He is not making a point about mediation. He is using Mediator as a title. You are missing the point Augustine is actually making about sin. He is making the point about the extent to which sin has touched all of humanity. Let me help you out: "There *never* has existed, nor *ever will* exist, a human being ... *that he had no sin at all*. With the exception of whom? The Mediator. Do you agree with Augustine?

Sage of Synergism your exactly like St Philip in John 6. God Bless!

Probably because Dr White still pissed his sister converted to Catholicism

It's because he's knowingly lying now.

Rich Lo I would be too

He's forgotten more about church history than you'll ever know

Rich Lo haha 😄really ?

Good that you accept the Real Presence in the Eucharist, but what about your other issues regarding the Mass?

There is no reason for any Christian to follow an evil 16th century French lawyer.

Maybe look into the Eastern Orthodox Church my brother. God bless

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I had the opposite experience. I came out of the reformed church into the Catholic Church. I’d never look back. Reformed theology is incredibly flawed.

sort of like Joker in Batman or Green Goblin in Spiderman.

He's a Kantian Modernist Biblicist, borderline heretic. And just seems to be a mean little man with pathological need to always be right.

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​​@@stevenledwith Borderline? 😂

Most Calvinists are off-putting.

Jennifer Villasenor you can get better at that through practice! May I suggest a few things for you? I’m a “cradle Catholic” who “slipped away” from practice, but came back more passionate for my faith through the following resources. It takes time and you will sometimes get frustrated, but it’s worth it! Always ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and don’t get discouraged! We need more strong Catholics to teach the weaker ones and the Protestants. My purpose for my commenting is twofold... to help others like myself and to counter/correct the misinformation and untruths propagated by many Protestants. God bless you on your journey! You might want to check out all these RU-vid channels: How To Be Christian; Ascension Presents; EWTN Journey Home (they have others of interest, too); Bishop Robert Barron; Breaking In The Habit; Brian Holdsworth; Busted Halo; Catholic Answers; Catholic Truth; Catholic4rednecks; Creed 101; Fr. Mark Goring; Fr. William Nicholas; Keith Nester; Steven Ray (he’s really good, too); Matt Fradd; Practical Theism; The Coming Home Network; The Counsel of Trent; The Joy Of The Faith; Catholic Productions; If you want details about the Catholic Faith, I recommend you download the Laudate app. It’s free and contains a searchable Catechism and all the documents, including two versions of the Catholic Bible, referenced in the footnotes. It has prayers, daily Mass readings with reflexions and interactive rosary with bible verses that go with the mysteries, etc. Check it out! I would also recommend Catholic.com website. You can type in a question or subject, search and get lots of articles on those subjects! Also, I’d recommend you get these Bible “cheat sheets” from Amazon. They are very helpful in learning Biblical references for what we believe when you are faced with Protestant “objections” to the Catholic Faith. The Bible Thumper www.amazon.com/gp/product/1932927972/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The Catholic Verse Finder www.amazon.com/Catholic-Verse-Finder-Large-Jim-Burnham/dp/1930084277/ref=pd_sbs_14_2/136-8846097-8853735?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1930084277&pd_rd_r=8c2f3377-d8e5-426a-b7e4-0e73dc646993&pd_rd_w=u5D3z&pd_rd_wg=vef7h&pf_rd_p=bdd201df-734f-454e-883c-73b0d8ccd4c3&pf_rd_r=4MFGZDCMR9CMMQG6PK3W&psc=1&refRID=4MFGZDCMR9CMMQG6PK3W

The truth can be off putting!

@@wesleysimelane3423 Lol... There is no truth in what he said, Trent has educated him and set things straight, you can either remain unteachable, distort truth or ignorant.

I people would like other very fair and expert coverage of the historical views on the Eucharist, I'd recommend Gavin Ortlund on his Truth Unites channel: Response to Francis Chan on the Eucharist. He also has discussions w/ Trent Horn and they do friendly replies to each others videos. He's very echumenical, from the protestant tradition and Catholics seem to appreciate his fair spirit.

HOWEVER, as one studies Church History, it very soon becomes very evident that “mainstream Christianity” was often the seat of the HERESY and the “heretics” were the ones with whom we would agree. As a matter of fact, as Church History progresses through the centuries, it becomes more and more true that the “mainstream Christianity” is the seat of more and more “heresy” in doctrine and praxis. It is the “remnant” that is often 5the “keeper of truth” and oftentimes the ones who pay very dearly for their adherence to what we would today consider to be “Orthodoxy.” Not only is that true, but as you study Church History you begin to realize that there were individuals - sometimes part of “mainstream Christianity” and sometimes not so much - who contributed some “good doctrine and praxis” to the Church while at the same time contributing some “bad doctrine and praxis” to the Church. Origen of Alexandria is one those key individuals. Even more so is Augustine of Hippo. Also, Pelagius may well be placed on that list - even though Augustine considered him a ‘rank heretic’ (the Augustine/Pelagius Controversy is one of the more ‘famous’ theological/doctrinal controversies of Church History). The point of this “hiatus” is to emphasize that the “orthodoxy” and the “heresy” in Church History - outside of the NT - is often very difficult to discern. Oftentimes, the books on Church History are written from a certain ‘doctrinal/theological’ perspective. There are many that are excellent and very ‘sound’ theologically. But, it is important that every student of Church History be “ALERT” to theological/doctrinal biases of the person they are ‘reading’ or under whom they are studying. Sometimes it is necessary to go back to the original source material - as much as it is possible - in order to derive your own convictions about what an individual was saying. But again, even when reading “original documents” one must realize that they too are at best ‘copies and translations of copies’ and oftentimes far less attested and reliable than the many copies and translations that we have of the NT. This is not to discourage the study of Church History - quite the opposite. But it is a caveat that we all need to bear in mind.

Watch Francis Chan speak and tell me that he doesn’t know his Bible.

@@mfc1190 It seams to me Francis Chan is rediscovering the bible.

Mung Zou Except that the Bible teaches us that we are to test everything and everyone who claims to speak for God by the OT and NT. So the church fathers have to be tested by the Scriptures also. 2 Timothy 2:16-17 “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” This is something I keep hearing Catholics say: “We own the Bible”. I am sorry, but the RCC has taught you incorrectly. The OT was complete 400 years before Christ. They 400 yrs of prophetic silence. The Jews held the OT. The NT writings were completed and in circulation with the churches in the 1st century. It was in the hands of Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentiles. The combining of the OT and NT scrolls and letters into one book-The Bible-came a couple hundred years later though. And frankly RCC has changed the commandments of God. Repeating if you missed it in earlier messages. She removed #2 on no graven images or bowing down to them. That moved #4 to #3 which she also changed-The 7th Day Sabbath (God’s Holy Day) to SUNday (a pagan holiday) the 1st day of the week. Then since she had only 9 commandments after removing #2, she chose to split #10 into 2-don’t covet neighbors wife, don’t covet neighbors stuff. She also added the apocrypha. And a host of other non-biblical doctrines. But I will just focus on the commandment changes at the moment and the RCC boasts in changing the teachings of God. From the Catholic Catechism: The Catholic 3rd Commandment Q: What is the Third Commandment? A: The Third Commandment is: Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy… Q: Which day is the Sabbath day? A: Saturday is the Sabbath day Q: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. “Sunday is a catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on catholic principles…From beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” The Catholic press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900. “It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic church, and those who observe the day, observe a commandment of the Catholic church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in the Elizabeth, NJ “News”, March 18, 1903. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an Encyclical Letter June 20, 1894. “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” The Catholic National, July 1895 “The pope has power to changes times, to abrogate laws, and to dispsense with all things even the precepts of Christ.” “I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself, and I, the Vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do that almost that God can do.” Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Annus Sanctum 1302. I commend to you a personal reading of the whole Bible.

Mung Zou Also Eating blood was prohibited in both the OT and NT. A few verses on not eating blood. 🤔 “You must not, however, eat flesh with its life-BLOOD in it. But for your own life-BLOOD I will require a reckoning: I will require it of every beast; of man, too, will I require a reckoning for human life, of every man for that of his fellow man! Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his BLOOD be shed; for in His image did God make man” (Gen. 9:4-6). And if any Israelite or any stranger who resides among them hunts down an animal or a bird that may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of all flesh - its BLOOD is its life. Therefore I say to the Israelite people: You shall not partake of the BLOOD of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its BLOOD. Anyone who partakes of it shall be cut off.” Leviticus 17:13-14 “And if anyone of the house of Israel partakes of any BLOOD, I will set My face against the person who partakes of the BLOOD, and I will cut him off from among his kin” Lev. 17:10 Only be sure that thou eat not the BLOOD: for the BLOOD is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh."Deuteronomy 12:23, KJV "And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the BLOOD. Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against the LORD, in that they eat with the BLOOD. And he said, Ye have transgressed: roll a great stone unto me this day." 1 Samuel 14:32-33, KJV "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from BLOOD . . . For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." Acts 15:19-20, 28-29, KJV "As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from BLOOD, and from strangled, and from fornication." Acts 21:25, KJV On a different note-FYI The Bible also says that any consumption of pig product, lobster, shellfish, shrimp-is unclean. It’s an abomination. God created it for a function, but commands it not to be eaten for food. Leviticus 11+ other OT/NT verses.

Jesus used a lot of symbolism when He talked. To understand the apostolic Eucharist, you would need to read about Passover (Exodus 12+13). The symbolism in that feast that was pointing to Christ the Passover Lamb about to be killed for our sins. The wine and the unleavened bread were already traditions going back to Egypt. When He spoke of His body and blood in John 6-you have to read the whole chapter. Why is he talking about bread to begin with? Because he had just done a miracle of the feeding the 5000 and people hunted Him down the next day. He told them they were searching for Him because He made bread-but then He turned it into a spiritual application. That they needed Him for their Savior. At the last supper, he holds the cup and says it represents His blood of the new covenant. Without the shedding of His blood there was no forgiveness. Hebrews 9 tells us how His death-body and blood poured out ended the Old Covenant and then revealed about the New Covenant. He died ONCE for sin. He didn’t need to suffer often. (Says Hebrews 9). So we all know when communion happens-we are remembering the blood and body of Jesus that He died for us. Were are told to remember His death for us. His blood and body were given for us. He said He would not drink again of the fruit of the vine until we enter into His fathers Kingdom (at the last day/judgement day/resurrection day for the saints). Brother, it’s still a waifer and wine through your whole GI tract. There is so much symbolism in the Bible referring to Jesus-The Lion, the Lamb, The Bread of Life, The Living Word, The Rock which Israel drank in the wilderness, The Chief Cornerstone, The Alpha and Omega (alphabet letters), Etc.

When I read the Bible it’s absolutely impossible to be Catholic. I certainly wouldn’t use any early church dogma as my source of truth. The early churches were commuting heresies within weeks of receiving the Gospel. All we have to do to know that is to read Paul’s epistles..Then we can read Christs personal letters to the church’s in revelation. 5 of those church’s had problems. Some very severe. If you’re going to base your beliefs off of what the Catholic Church believe then you have some of the most evil beliefs and acts in human history to consider. Even still in modern times they pray to Saints and worship Mary, Treat a man as an infallible representative of God. I wouldn’t want to be within 1,000 miles of the Vatican when Jesus returns. Of your beliefs aren’t supported by scripture then you’ve got a man made religion. Catholicism certainly isn’t biblical. Were some early churches doing some of the heresies that the early Catholic Church still clings to? I’m sure they were. Thankfully, we have scripture to judge what is right. The very early church did not have the New Testament in full.

@@shawnglass108 you've literally argues a case against yourself. There was no new testament at the start. So what did the early church rely on? Tradition. And catholics don't worship saints or Mary, I was stupid enough to believe this myself for so long. But when I actually looked into it I found out that's not the case. They honor Mary as the mother of Jesus, that's it. And they don't pray to saints like they pray to God, they ask the saints to pray for them just like you would ask people in your life to pray for you, on your behalf to God. The catholic faith is the one true faith, and I have to say protestantism is not the complete picture, it's missing big pieces which the catholic church has. The protestant church is all over the place, one denomination supports gay marriage, another doesn't, one denomination allows women to become pastors, another doesn't. One denomination is OK with divorce and remarriage, another isn't. There's no unity, the goalposts are constantly moving.

@@eoinbrennan3949 , That’s my point. They did not have the New Testament scriptures. That’s why heresy crept in so quickly. We do have the scriptures now and do not and should not rely on any doctrine or belief that is not backed by scripture. You’re talking Catholic Church history but claiming the Catholics do not worship Mary? I have read the writings from Catholic Church history. They absolutely worship Mary and ascribe to her ridiculous untruths. Claiming she was a perpetual virgin, that she was sinless, that her sinless body was taken into heaven. Completely absurdities to lift a mortal sinner to the level of worship. Why would any Bible believing person actually believe not only that you can pray to dead mortal men but that you should? That is not only not supported by scripture but the Bible clearly tells us that there is ONE mediator between man and God. Christ Jesus! To pray to anyone or anything else is idolatry! How incredibly insulting it is to the Heavenly Father for him to send his son to die so that men can come directly to him, he even tore the veil in the temple from top to bottom as the ultimate symbol that we can come to him, but to instead pray to mortal men and women? None of those men or women, including Mary, has ever heard a prayer and they certainly can’t and don’t answer prayers. That’s a man created lie! Jesus also absolutely never gave his infallible authority to a man to decide what was true and Holy and allows him to be worshipped. It’s complete idolatry! Even Peter, who the Catholics try to say was the first Pope, when men tried to worship him, told them to stop. Because he told them he was just a man..There are so many blasphemous and idolatrous doctrines and dogmas in the Catholic Church that it barely resembles Christianity. That’s without going into the history of the Catholic Church and its leaders. Who were some of the most evil, murderous, greedy people who ever lived. Slaughtering thousands for land and money in the name of Christ..I have learned a tremendous amount about the Catholic Church and its history from those who have left it. Including Bishops. I truly want God loving men and women to be saved from it. May God guide you and bless you.

@@shawnglass108 I'm sorry but the exodus is in the other direction. There was literally a book written about it: "The evangelical exodus". I used to be protestant, so I lived that life. You say you "know" about Catholicism but you were never catholic. I've lived both and I can say with 100% certainty that Catholicism is the one true faith

@@eoinbrennan3949 watch Dr Gavin ortlund

I think that's the mark of someone who uses scholarly language to, well, basically lie. Some are confused by it. Some see through it, whether or not they know how to state the objection they sense.

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Francis Chan is a great preacher he is strong with the Force(God)! God is pleased with this one. Don’t mess with him. Religion or no religion he is with God n for God😊🙏✝️

Doesn't Rome claim the same thing, with anathemas on those who disagree?

@@gregb6469 There are over 40 different protestant sects and lots of Catholics don't agree either.

The difference between Catholics disagreeing and Protestants disagreeing is the Catholics are going against official Church teaching. The Protestants who all disagree are rebelling against each other, not an authority.

@@saraircrew8517 The mother of all harlots gave birth to them

@Sage of Synergism the same reason he was baptized, to fulfill all righteousness.

@LouisT are you claiming confusion in Judaism does not exist? Are you referring to Talmudic Judaism or Messianic Judaism? If your referring to Talmudic Judaism- which branch are you referring to? Reform Judaism, conservative Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, modern orthodox, the Haredim (ultra orthodox), Hasidic Judaism, Yeshivish Judaism, Open Orthodox Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, Jewish Renewel, or Humanistic Judaism. If your referring to Messianic Judaism which sect are you referring to- Jews for Jesus, Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations, unification Church, Chosen People Ministries, Eastern Lightning, Hebrew Roots, or HaYesod.

@LouisT okay so you were not referring to messianic Judaism your referring to Talmudic Judaism. But you still didn’t answer which branch of Judaism has the fullness of truth because they disagree with each other on theology. So which sect out of Reform Judaism, conservative Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, modern orthodox, the Haredim (ultra orthodox), Hasidic Judaism, Yeshivish Judaism, Open Orthodox Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, Jewish Renewel, or Humanistic Judaism has the fullness of truth? “Your messianic stuff is the same pagan trinity and all the rest” please can you provide source when Pagans introduced trinitarian theology? What makes it Pagan? “Moses Israel etc there is no fight because there is no systematic theology made by men” actually during the time or Christ they even disagreed. They had the sadducees who only accepted the first 5 books of scripture then you have the Pharisees who accepted the Torah and Tanakh, then the Essenes who disagreed with both and believed you should live a Ascetic lifestyle. So which branch of Judaism has the truth?

Like??

@@dylanwagoner9768 did you watch the video?

Renjith Joseph yes

His sister is probably praying for his "eyes" of his heart to be opened.

I think after their last debate Mr White still sees Trent Horn as his sleep paralysis shadow

That's a problem.

​@@ASmith-jn7kf That's funny. I didn't realize that taking Jesus at His Word was a "problem."

are you suggesting that he's not saved?

Because it was the Lutheran movement that caused the Revolt..

Roger Kuhn there are others who also believe in The Real Presence, but like Rich Lo said, they are Protestants... descendants of the Revolt and are “outside” unity with the Catholic Church... the ONE CHURCH that Jesus established.

​​@@queenofhearts7726 It's crucial to note the importance of Apostolic succession as it pertains to the Eucharist. Christ gave His apostles the authority to do these things and to decide who else can. We see this in the Book of Acts. Lutheran ministers are leading their flocks astray by masquerading as those with priestly authority, and we find that incredibly sad. It's also important to note that Lutherans are defined as well by other gave theological errors that prevent them from reconciling with Christ's Church here on earth: Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura. It's not like we Catholics are happy they're gone. To the contrary, the doors are wide open. Heck, even then, it took several years for the Pope to excommunicate Martin Luther, didn't it? They may believe in the true presence of Christ, but it's no more valid than the Palmarian sedevacantists. It's tragic, really. We can only pray that God's grace extends to them via reduced culpability, i.e. through learned ignorance. Thank God, for them, that Purgatory exists whether or not they believe in it.

Hector Ibanez try reading in context brother it means the opposite of what you say!

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. ....66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Hector Ibanez do you not see what errors and lies you just committed in your demonstration? You isolated the verses that fit your interpretation then you leave out the rest.. why do you lie to me in your illustration.. shall we go verse by verse to see what your saying is what John is saying? Or do you want to just shoot bullets of isolated text to prove a point that what your saying is not in the original content?

Lets see how Paul understood it compared to you: 1 corinthians 11- For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly......

@@pimpsarefilthy the bible supports Catholics but not protestants.....Francis seeking truth saw it and believes....... 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.

But that teaches that not everyone is willing to believe....they can believe God made the Universe out of nothing but not that he would stay in the bread to keep us fed spiritually throughout history and until his return. Jesus is Catholic !

@Felipe The Mouse OK...this is why there so many different protestant secs, they all claim truth based based on their own interpretations...........but i will let Jesus himself answer you on who is his brothers and sisters...........Matthew 12:48-50 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

your view of john 6: 25-70 is warped. In John 13:2 is clear that the Lords supper activities were not detailed...the blood and the wine to be clear. So how does ch 6 proceed such event as the Lord supper? It doesn't, He was speaking of His death in John ch 6.

@@againstthepope2362 John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." . . .61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! Also I don't know why you are only using John 13 as the Lord's supper as Matthew and Luke has also written about it. I think with are modern understand we will miss out on crucial and important information as history can change with current thought. And today we are misunderstanding what has be truly said.

@@abandonrz so Jesus' followers are cannibals?

@@againstthepope2362 keep pick and choosing what you believe is parable and not instead of finding what is actually the truth

White is full of himself because when he debated a Muslim he was all respectful and quiet.

“Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood” (Early Christian Doctrines, 440)

@@mrlozano Ok. Thanks. There it is. What are your thoughts on the rest of that section?

@@howdy2496 I don't have the book, so I don't know what comes next. I only verified that quote with a Google search!

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Furthermore, I would think that the disciples might have remembered Jesus previously saying that unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood that you have no part with me. With the disciples reflecting back on this previous statement how would they take this new statement of this is my body, eat and this is my blood, drink?

Paul, said anyone who eats and drinks without discerning or distinguishing the body eat and drinks judgement on himself. How should one take that scripture?

I also find it impactful that Jesus said how He has earnestly longed to eat this Passover with the disciples, and saying for them to continue to partake of the bread and wine in remembrance of Him. He says that He want us to continue this observance, but then of Himself, He says that He will NOT eat it until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God and that He will NOT drink of the fruit of the vine until He drinks it anew with us in the Kingdom. This is so impactful to me! He wants us to continue, BUT on His side of things He is waiting for us, He isn't going to partake until He can partake with us. We are longing for Him and communing with Him by partaking, and He is longing for us by waiting for us to join Him in the Kingdom before He partakes. That's awesome to me!

Melanie Anderson So what do you make of the fact that the Real Presence has been believed by Christians from the beginning?

Miqueas Bello Seems like a valid interpretation!

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James is the straight side and Stipe from rem is the gay side ! :)

Losing his religion 🙊

I could see him playing in the movie RED

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I agree to an extent, but him and his brother were being idiots about the discussion over on Twitter. They say that they do not frag other Catholics and that's exactly what they were doing. Sure, continue the discussion but not with that camp.

The problem with that claim is that even though we can account for the existence of a Didache from the patristic period (and, for that matter, many of the writings of the early church fathers), we don’t have ancient (let alone original) manuscripts that allow us to test the veracity of the words. It’s fair to assume that some or even a lot of the texts we have reflect the original writings, but it would be naive to assume these texts - which largely where under the administration of the Catholic church - remained unchanged as they were copied (and earlier versions were apparently lost) over the centuries. Indeed, I think it’s fairly well acknowledged that at least some of the text of these documents were edited or changed over time, probably to reflect changing/developing doctrinal stances.

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Anna while I don’t think a secondary issue as this is a big deal , but to be honest Chan has been called out numerous times recently for seemingly hanging out with horrible prosperity teachers left and right and his reputation as it stands was sliding pretty badly then , so I don’t think many are surprised to hear Chan go down any differing theological path in a sense , as he has shown poor discernment and confusion to many the past year .

No Protestants are not frantically trying to figure out what to do. They will continue to reject Catholicism and worship Jesus.

Girl you drunk on wine I guess...Be born again and get out of religion altogether John 3:3...Hell awaits all who do not get saved...in love I tell you this,...

@@PreachingJesus yeah not religion but relationship with Jesus.. but when you google religion it just self-destruct.. Religion - a belief of a sumpreme being, god/s.. so how can you have a relationship Jesus if you never first believed in him?

@@PreachingJesus Protestant exist by mere protest and not by means of affirmation.

Andrew Drew they can’t show you this period.. they claim doctrine of development but that defeats the point of first two centuries not having priest, also worshipping bread and wine is no where found in scripture or tradition... John 6 proves Rome’s idea of eating false ... any logical person reading sees that. Plus they will admit the Eucharist falls short because it only forgives venial sins not mortal sins.. different Jesus ... eating and drinking doesn’t save anyone!!! Does anyone understand eating and drinking doesn’t save anyone but living a godly life in Christ Jesus ... common sense but they put a stumbling block in people’s mind to make them think eating and drinking by the hands of pedophile priests gets you forgiven! Please don’t treat your soul that way to think eating and drinking can make you right with god

Struggle In The Bubble Here’s a link where I’ve put this question forward and received absolute ugliness from supposed believers in Christ have a look at the comments most interesting ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-unMPDaQI-bw.html You welcome to express anything thanks

We believed in the many miracles our Lord Jesus Christ has done during his lifetime on earth. But why is it that we cannot believe that the bread and wine can truly become His Body and Blood, His real presence? He converted water into wine during the wedding in Cana; on His command He brought back Lazarus from the dead; When Jesus went to the sea with His disciples He commanded the storm to calm down; He commanded the devil to get out of a possessed woman. Everytime Jesus commands and wills it, a miracle or healing happens, He is the Son of God. And He said " take this all of you and eat of it, for this is my body which will be given up for you, do this in memory of me." When Jesus commands He does not speak in metaphors or parables. Jesus literaly meant what He says. That is why from the apostles down to the early Christians and the early church fathers they all do this because Jesus commanded it. And for 2000 years this breaking of the bread through the Eucharist still propagates at every Mass because it was handed down to the apostles by no less than Christ Himself and He commanded to do this in memory of Him. It is not the priest who commands Jesus to come down everytime the priest does the consecration, the highest form of prayer in the Catholic church. It is Jesus who commands this and wills it to be His body and blood in the form of bread and wine up to this day. Who are we to to refute Him?

Wolfson AMDG ur ready for the truth? When he converted the water into wine did the water stay water or did the elements changed? I’m tired of being lied to and your part of the lie.. you quote what u been taught but listen to what emotional response u have as opposed to the actual point ur trying to make.. all miracles by definition changed in substance hence the proof of a miracle .. the Eucharist doesn’t change in substance physically so for you to take this leap of comparing Jesus proven miracles to something you have to say just accept by faith.. history doesn’t prove Roman Catholic doctrine every time u see real presence u assume it’s Eucharist adoration or worship under the elements of bread and wine... no where in history does the elements get worshipped we are told to eat the elements but not worship.. please understand u have to prove what’s defined by Rome not come up with some comparisons of miracles as if it’sThe same thing and it’s not.. all of Jesus miracles changed in substance... prove to me in history a miracle can be a miracle without a physical change by definition it’s not a miracle ! Show me where the apostles taught to worship Jesus under the appearance of bread???Water ceased to exist and wine existed literally in cana! The priest commands Jesus to come down its in Rome’s teachings!!! Stop justifying the teaching of the church!

@@pimpsarefilthy Sorry to burst your bubble LOL, but I am on the side of the truth. You mean to say that the bread and wine has to be physically converted into to the physical body and blood of Christ for you to believe? Well no Mister doubting Thomas, Christ definitely woud not want us to look like cannibals and vampires in the process. Didnt Jesus said that "this is my body" and "eat of it"? You make Jesus a Liar just because the bread and wine did not turn physically into his body and blood. You just didnt get it Mr. doubting Bubble, that is the miracle of it, the divinity of the Body and Blood of Christ contained in the bread and wine through the Holy Eucharist. And Jesus commanded us to eat His body in the form of bread which is the Holy Eucharist. The Holy Catholic Church have maintained that way for 2,000 years and you did not. Are you ready for the truth? I pray to God that you will.

Ah, James White the anti-Catholic bulldog ! He will never stop snarling and barking at you guys ! I would support him but he is a Calvinist.

@Shameless Papist THank you for reaching out. Not sure where to start so lets stick with some of the ramblings above. The eucharist being the literal body of christ or symbolic, or remaining bread/wine but his spirit enters you. How can any of us possibly know. Millions of folks practice communion differently and each says they can justify their position and are guided by the holey spirit? Which is correct? Does Correct even matter here?

@@wattsobx With the allegorization of the Scriptures came doctrinal heresies that became central to ‘standardized doctrinal beliefs’ for thousands of years - to this very day. Some of those heresies were related to “Ecclesiology” (The Doctrine of the Church) not the RCC but "An Assembly of Believers". It is important to summarize the heretical departures that came relatively early in Church History (by ‘relatively early’ we are talking in the range of 150-200 years). Early Church Fathers began to think of themselves in terms of Israel’s Priesthood. The NEW TESTAMENT gave the proper names and roles of Church leaders (Elders, Pastors, Deacons, etc.) but the Early Church Fathers began to adopt for themselves the terms of the OT Israelite Priesthood - Thus their “Leaders were ‘Levitical’ Priests (RCC to this day does not have “Pastors” but “Priests”) and the church hierarchy goes all the way to the Jewish “HIGH PRIEST” (which is the RCC POPE). And it didn’t end there. The Jewish OT Law system involved “blood sacrifices” and the Early Church Fathers didn’t take very long before they had progressively transformed the BIBLICAL COMMANDS TO REMEMBER CHRIST’S SACRIFICIAL DEATH in the COMMUNION SERVICE/CELEBRATION OF THE LORD’S SUPPER into a CONTINUATION OF THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM - where the PRIEST transformed the Bread and the Cup of the Memorial Service into a heretical TRANSUBSTANTIATION of these two memorial elements into the actual body and blood of Christ - whom they continue to SACRIFICE on a weekly basis to this very day!!! HORRIBLE HERESY!! This is not only unbiblical but completely ANTI-BIBLICAL. Jesus Cried from the CROSS - “IT IS FINISHED”. The writer to the HEBREWS said that JESUS’ sacrificial death was “ONCE FOR ALL”.

Anthony Louis If it’s symbolic, does it really matter?

@Anthony Louis it does not mean grape juice. Though wine is grape juice literally, fermented grape juice.

Conflating the Real Presence of the Eucharist with the Dogma of Transubstantion is. Common tactic of many Protestants, but it is a false tactic--the RP goes back to Jesus,with roots in Judaism which less than five minutes online search would show. As Trent says, even specific belief in Transubstantion goes back to the 4th century, though under differing language. ALL Churches that separated from Rome prior to Lateran IiI in 1215 (Orthodox, Copts, Nestorians, Oriental Catholics) all believed in the RP before Transubstantion was formerly pronounced. Being informed of this historic FACT you can no longer use this falsity without bearing false witness.

Sorry, but that just isn't the case in the way Rome needs it to be. There is no problem with the concept of real presence in the frame of Matthew 18:20. The problem is the idea that there is some sort of change in the material of the bread and wine itself. This is taught nowhere in Scripture. One can say, this father said this and that father said that, but those fathers, like the Roman Church, are fallible. Only the Scriptures are infallible.

@@aggie4life02 Right, Jesus clearly said "my flesh and blood are right beside the bread and wine..." Oh he didn't say that...then he said "I am just here spiritually beside the bread and wine..." No, he didn't say that either? Well, he said "this means/stands for/represents my Body and Blood..." no, not that either? Well maybe Paul can help you with "...those who partake without understanding the symbolic meaning/co-substantial presence..." what, no help there either?

John 6 is not even about the Lord's Supper. You cannot appeal to a passage not about the Lord's Supper to define what the Lord's Supper is or isn't.

@@aggie4life02 I spent better than two weeks typing on my phone the Scriptural basis for the RP over here: debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10 I enter on page 2 under the handle Saber Bob.

Protestants are surprisingly unbiblical when it suits them. I feel like this eucharistic perspective is so obviously and utterly false, it must have been the result of the obvious issue that the eucharist is given out by apostolic bishops so they had to deny the eucharist if they wanted to deny the church. Luther certainly didnt deny the eucharist

Define miraculous bread

@@zarganon9594 not from the supermarket

With the allegorization of the Scriptures came doctrinal heresies that became central to ‘standardized doctrinal beliefs’ for thousands of years - to this very day. Some of those heresies were related to “Ecclesiology” (The Doctrine of the Church). Again, this is another CLASS, but it is important to summarize the heretical departures that came relatively early in Church History (by ‘relatively early’ we are talking in the range of 150-200 years). Early Church Fathers began to think of themselves in terms of Israel’s Priesthood. The NEW TESTAMENT gave the proper names and roles of Church leaders (Elders, Pastors, Deacons, etc.) but the Early Church Fathers began to adopt for themselves the terms of the OT Israelite Priesthood - Thus their “Leaders were ‘Levitical’ Priests (RCC to this day does not have “Pastors” but “Priests”) and the church hierarchy goes all the way to the Jewish “HIGH PRIEST” (which is the RCC POPE). And it didn’t end there. The Jewish OT Law system involved “blood sacrifices” and the Early Church Fathers didn’t take very long before they had progressively transformed the BIBLICAL COMMANDS TO REMEMBER CHRIST’S SACRIFICIAL DEATH in the COMMUNION SERVICE/CELEBRATION OF THE LORD’S SUPPER into a CONTINUATION OF THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM - where the PRIEST transformed the Bread and the Cup of the Memorial Service into a heretical TRANSUBSTANTIATION of these two memorial elements into the actual body and blood of Christ - whom they continue to SACRIFICE on a weekly basis to this very day!!! HORRIBLE HERESY!! This is not only unbiblical but completely ANTI-BIBLICAL. Jesus Cried from the CROSS - “IT IS FINISHED”. The writer to the HEBREWS said that JESUS’ sacrificial death was “ONCE FOR ALL”.

@@ronaller5209 Wow, everything you wrote is wrong, including the notion that we have Communion weekly. Mass occurs every day except Good Friday.

TreKater joh 17 17 Jesus changed a major Jewish holiday, instead of celebrating Passover, He explained the symbolism of His body and blood that was to replace eating a lamb and smearing its blood on the doorpost. Not everything in the Bible is literal, many things speak of the spiritual aspect. Especially when Jesus says ”do this in remembrance of me”. Luke 22.19, 1Cor. 11.24 He was referring to the remembrance of His death on the Passover celebration. Jesus died once for sins past, present, and future, this is realized by faith, not conjuring a fresh sacrifice everytime you meet. Jesus’s sacrifice enabled God’s Spirit to dwell in every believer, giving the desire and power to live a victorious life! If the Spirit of Jesus dwells in your heart you don't need chew Him up and swallow also.

TreKater joh 17 17 lol, you think God’s holy people, filled with the love of Christ, would kill millions for not accepting Christ? Would sell indulgences to their people? Would worship and pray to everybody in heaven, instead of the one true God? Luther was able to read the Bible and exposed the errors of the Catholic Church. He also translated it in the common language. For that the Catholic Church wanted to kill him. The Catholic Church is the farthest thing from the first church, Jesus told His disciples to love others as He loved them. To love God with all their heart, mind, and strength. To love their neighbors as themselves, and to even love their enemies. Yet you defend the Catholic Church that murdered millions of unbelievers and Christians. Unbelievable

TreKater joh 17 17 thanks for pointing out my mistake, I changed Calvin to Luther. Thanks for the info on Calvin, another religion that deviated from the way of Jesus. Luther was a Catholic that converted to Jesus. Try reading ”Fox’s Book of Martyrs ” a non Catholic book.

TreKater joh 17 17 without faith it is impossible to please God. For by grace are you saved through faith, not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works, lest any should boast. The old covenant was between the nation of Israel and God. The new covenant is between God and whosoever trusts in Jesus. Jesus said that the world would know His disciples by their love for others. The true church is comprised of everyone that places their faith in Jesus, there is no covenant between God and the Catholic Church, Luthern Church, Calvinists, or the 50,000 other churches. It is between God and individuals. God is no respector of persons.

Remember that Christ is the head of the church, and the chief cornerstone. Those stones are those that believe and trust in Jesus, nothing to do with Rome or the Catholic Church. 1 Pet.2.4As you come to him, the living Stone-rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him- 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house a to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in ZION, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” b 7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” c 8and, “A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” d They stumble because they disobey the message-which is also what they were destined for. 9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. God has saved me and delivered me from depression, perversion, materialism, by giving me His Holy Spirit, that gave me the desire and power to live victoriously! As I said the true church is built up with those that place their trust in Jesus. Peter, trusting in Jesus is part of that living building, the question you need to ask yourself is, are you, do you trust Jesus? or your church? Everyone must stand before God and give an account for their deeds and actions, it won't due, for you to say that your Catholic.

Hi Andrew, I converted to the Catholic Church 3.31.2018 at the age of 51 after spending the first part of my life from early childhood as Pentecostal, Southern Baptist and some Church of Christ ( wife's upbringing ). The Eurcharist is a big part of why I'm Catholic but not the sole reason. The MASS is fascinating when you understand the TRUTH of it and not the anti-Catholic confusing view of it. This video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P45BHDRA7pU.html ( Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist ) may not directly answer your questions, but it may help in your journey. Here's an article "Transubstantiation for Beginners" that may help: www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/transubstantiation-for-beginners - CATHOLIC.com is a great resource. If you want to connect with me online, you can search CATHOLIC TRANSFORMATION in Google and find my website. Blessings, David

@@catholictransformation696 Excellent to be able to dig in another way. Thanks so much for these directions.