They were not found, at the time Zappa gave Lennon a safety copy, and those were the ones used on the new release, they managed to get the copies from the Lennon estate for the new box set.
he was not a hippie he was a remarkable businessman who believed in the Constitution and capitalism he knew and counted every penny on tour he even knew how much the doorman was going to be tipped. FZ managed to own every single one of his master tapes which is absolutely miraculous
Zappa was the son of a military scientist, in LA. He never did any drugs and never let any of his band members do any. He had a house in Laurel Canyon that was a main hang out for most of the rock scene that was centered in and around LA, specifically Laurel Canyon.
@@commentatronabsolutely not. He was a workaholic for sure and extremely rigorous with himself and the band as well. Very unique dude, no drugs allowed regardless of whether you were the best guitar player he had ever seen. I ain’t saying that this is all peaceful and flower but they were clean. Frank Zappa was far more than just a guitarist he was a groundbreaking composer, bandleader, and the creative force behind the entire ensemble,using his vast musical knowledge to adapt every instrument within the group. His work spanned over 30 years, during which he composed music across a variety of genres, including rock, pop, jazz, jazz fusion, orchestral etc.. He was not only involved in the writing and arranging of the music but also produced almost all of the over 60 albums he released, either with his band, The Mothers of Invention. Before going solo ofc
More like a Twilight Zone 'trapped ' horrorshow, 24/7...give ya 4 days until full on straightjacket. Most of it is take after take of forgettable 'songs' , and jams that fizzle out in cacophony that never made it onto a record, deemed unworthy by the man himself, as told by Dweezil. Some nuggets fer sure, fer sure, but you're really looking at a Sears poncho of sound.
I saw them too, but don't remember the exact date....it must have been the late 70's or early 80's. With Larry the Mole Taylor playing bass and Jon Luc Ponty on violin. They were great.
Absolutely, John Lennon was not legendary and heroic as people make him out to be. He wasn't all that intelligent He and Paul McCartney didn't write many of the songs attributed to them, and actually ever played only few of them. He wasn't much of a musician, actor, filmmaker, husband, or father. He didn't really care about the Beatles Or their legacy in any meaningful way, ever that I can tell . He didn't have an extraordinary amount of influence on musicians in his time. I seen here with Frank and you'll also hear about from Chuck Berry and how Yoko ruined there performance together. And of course the basic way he just was yoko's bitch from when they met until he was dead, And she's a pretty terrible person also. In fact I don't recall anything that I've ever seen of John Lennon that shows him to be anything other than an.ass.
Lenon said something insulting like that to pretty much everyone he met, particularly if he thought they were potentially intellectually or egotistically threatening to him.
@@robbiemcc4355 Maybe, but he was not a great person all reports and not liked by many people. I remember a nanny that worked for him saying that she heard Julian laughing outside the kitchen window when he was 7 or 8 years old and John Lennon chastising him, saying "stop laughing, I fucking hate the way you laugh" and Julian crying. Julian later backed this up and told of many more stories of mental abuse from Lennon over the years. The bloke sounds like a right cunt all round.
@KeefaCheggaz My comment was made based on multiple accounts of witness testimony from people who knew him....what about yours? EDIT: Also, listen to the stories of abuse told by his son, Julian and tell me if you think he's a good bloke after that. The guy was a cunt.
Franks Absolute and undying commitment to making quality music is so inspiring, and he didn’t do drugs either which is and other reason why he’s such a good example.
He's the reason I quit partying and thinking it was cool to be high or drunk all the time. I realized you can be just as wild and creative without it, and far more intelligent and wise too. I listened to his criticism of it all, looked around me, and realized how right he was. I was in a cesspool of braindead, trite, low-effort nonsense that led nowhere. I think some substances have a place in society. But the "high life" is probably the lowest life one can live. Substantiated by how many of my friends are on the other side of the grass today.
@@NautilusGuitars Yeah it’s really hard to find band mates that don’t engage in drug culture, and have the same musical interests. I’m very into jam bands and as you can imagine pot is like breathing in the scene. I want to make truly exceptional music and I don’t think drugs and alcohol will have a good influence on that process.
Zappa's a hero...but he had a massive chip on his shoulder that reveals this feeling of being disrespected.....even though he got overwhelming critical acclaim
He's sarcastic here, because Lennon lied to his face ,and ripped off thier musical collaboration to repackage it AS LENNONS music only..cutting him out..he sued and won his music back eventually..
Zappa has been burned countless times from getting thrown in jail for a kangaroo court reason, to censorship of his music since the 60s, and always being viewed in a different light than he is today. I would have a massive chip too if i was always getting bullied because of my music that I have a right to make.
@@kraftyhandz Zappa didn't like the music industry itself, with it's exploitative contracts and control freak Executives.. Part of his appeal is his desire both for Mastery of skills, technique, music theory..and put all that into the spontaneous acts of creation in a free- form solo/ jam ..not rehearsed, polished and overdubbed perfection..Which was boring to him..a generic, soulless product for the Masses, by Executives assuming what people want to hear..
Lennons people not only stole it, but Lennon renamed the songs (which were zappa compositions) and released them on his own album, claiming the songwriting credit
@Spaceoctopus1776 because he claimed songwriting credits to songs he didnt write, i.e. he stole them. you dont see why that might be an issue? He didnt ask Frank for permission, didnt credit him, and he actually claimed authorship. Frank talked about it and he himself said it was shady. His songs were his livelihood and he didnt have Beatles money. would you be so generous with your earnings? if so send me some.
Ha. Martha Quinn was a huge Beatles fan and this was during a period where everyone was still mourning Lennon's death (ie: pretty much the whole 80s, lol), it's pretty funny watching her just stare at him blankly as he recycles that line he always would use when describing this encounter. So unnecessarily snide, as much as I love Frank. At least he doesn't tell the whole rest of his (legitimate) beef he had about Lennon and those tapes.
Do you have information about this? I find it hard to believe Lennon, already a hugely successful songwriter, would need to steal from others. Is there perhaps a better explanation for what happened?
@@chikkipop Lennon, while one of my favorite songwriters of all time, was an outlandish prick of a person, and this is well documented. His "peace and love" image was just a brand. What Lennon did in particular to Zappa, was take a recording of them playing over a tune Frank wrote, then secretly released it without any permission from Frank, changed the name of it, and took credit for it. No credit to Frank. It ended in a lawsuit. There was more to it, but you can just look it up.
Lennon then released a song from that tape with yoko. Original taping was King Kong, Lennon released it as Jamrag. Probably stolen on behalf of john n yoko to avoid zappa trying to claim rights to the song.
It seems like someone from Paul and John’s camp executed that retrieval of the tapes. No way would Paul want those tapes being produced and sold to undercut the Apple records licensing.
Horrible, for someone to steal that tape. Sounds like it might have been an inside job, though. Someone who knew Frank or John and thus realized the value of the tapes.
Zappa also hated the recording and didnt particularly care for Lennon or Yoko as musicians, when they released their version they had changed the recording in ways Zappa absolutely hated because of how it treated the other musicians that were present.
It's already been out. When the ZFT were compiling The Mothers 1971, the Lennon Estate gave the Zappa Trust a safety copy of the reel Frank made for them all those years ago.
Luckily we have the Playground Psychotics and the 1971 box set to peek back at the show. It’s neat for sure, but the Lennon and Yoko bit was only a glorified jam. The real gasp moment on the 1971 box is the end of the Rainbow show, knowing what happened to poor Frank.
I met him in 1989 at the Providence Civic Center...it was the Broadway the Hard Way tour when he had a Michael Jackson lookalike run across the stage with his hair on fire in the middle of a song.......he was very cool to us and he's funny too.....my friend Henry said to him while he was signing our stuff... "I used to listen to the Mother's of Invention when I was five years old because of my parents!!!!!"... And Frank said "what did they MAKE you listen?" .... and Henry was like no no no and Frank said I know what you mean......I have a copy of Fillmore East 71 that I already had signed by Flo and Eddy and Don Preston and he signed that for me..... it's hanging on the wall in my studio
Wow! Sticky fingers! Glad they were located. Wonder what Frank would think about the internet,social media,and file sharing or "music swapping?" Cool that back then you could have actual hard copies.
Come on, if someone met John Lennon I think they would be amazed meeting a Beatles. Even if they didn't care for his music, he was a Beatle! Frank didn't have to say that like he could care less. I think he was bit jealous.
I don't quite appreciate Franks music style, BUT I LIKE FRANK. Now I LOVE Van Halen's music but Eddie VH didn't have half the character Frank had in his little finger.
Someone skilled in using A.I. could probably recreate the John Lennon and Yoko with Frank Zappa. I think its on one of the John Lennon albums. They could feed that in with whatever is in the box Zappa is holding.
That’s happened so many times in the Elvis world that it’s pathetic. People stealing those tapes and keeping that stuff away from the public/fans is a big disservice. 😊
When it comes to master tapes. TNO (trust no one). Just look up the Universal archive fires. Nothing more tragic than that. Unfortunately most artists have no rights to their master tapes.
Brilliant musician I seen him years ago in Philadelphia and he gets on stage before he starts. His bravo music n says how the fuck are you hahahaha pajama people
