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Franz Liszt - Après une lecture du Dante: Fantasia quasi Sonata [Early version], S.158c (Filipec) 

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The principal surviving manuscript of the whole work-itself a copyist’s fair copy-bears many signs of revision, and Liszt may have tinkered with it off and on. At some point he changed the first word of the title to Prolégomènes (as if to say: preliminary observations about Dante), rewrote the coda, and altered many passages in chiefly minor details. A later version rewrites the whole piece extensively, and pastes over large sections or pastes discarded pages together, but this ‘third’ version is easily distinguished as being largely in Liszt’s hand, and being the obvious immediate precursor to the final text, and the final title is already employed for it. For our present purposes, the ‘second’ version includes all of the intermediate layers of fully worked-out revisions, even if they were achieved by degrees originally. Après une lecture du Dante-Fantasia quasi Sonata is the title which clearly belongs to the extensive one-movement revision of the piece. Only at this stage is there any implication that there might be something specific in Dante that is referred to, although most speculation on the subject, beyond the general observation that Liszt describes the atmosphere of Inferno to a nicety, is idle. This is a version which more nearly resembles the final one, and the final alterations may well have been made at the proof stage-the third version seems to have been the engraver’s manuscript for the fourth and final version-and the audible differences from the final text are sometimes quite striking, especially at the recapitulation of the grand melody which does duty for a ‘second subject’, and at a passage of eight bars of outrageous difficulty in the peroration-which Liszt struck out for the published version. (Howard)
Pf: Goran Filipec

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@j.vonhogen9650
@j.vonhogen9650 2 года назад
13:24 - 13:33 - I love how these octaves are written in this version. I think this sounds much better than the parallel octaves in the final version!
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 2 года назад
Yeah it’s very cool :))
@Felix_Li_En
@Felix_Li_En 3 года назад
Goran Filipec is superb!! Hope he will play more unknown Liszt for us! 😁
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
I hope strongly that Naxos get Filipec to do stuff like Magyar Dalok 🤤
@Felix_Li_En
@Felix_Li_En 3 года назад
@@TheModicaLiszt I hope he can play S.253, S.409a, and S.458! 😆😆
@elionthekeys
@elionthekeys 3 года назад
To be frankly honest I think this version is so much charming! It feels the places its lacking. (Just played the original version)
@sergeihsiao4011
@sergeihsiao4011 Год назад
amazing !!!! I like this vision, thanks for sharing.
@foxiszt
@foxiszt 3 года назад
I love your channel so much. Thanks for uploading this!
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
You’re welcome! :)
@ruramikael
@ruramikael 3 года назад
Pure astonishment, what a pianist!
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
Filipec is indeed one of my favourites :D
@mstalcup
@mstalcup Год назад
There is something extraordinary about the diabolical interruption at 10:19 after the passagework starting at 10:06. I like this better than what Liszt wrote at the same point in the final version.
@MyPianoArchives
@MyPianoArchives 2 года назад
Would love to hear Volodos play this version. Thanks for the upload!!
@stringendo
@stringendo 2 года назад
Wow, Liszt has showed his unique sense of orchestrating in such early age! I thought this was Prolégomènes.
@giorgiociomei5030
@giorgiociomei5030 Месяц назад
❤❤❤❤❤
@abnergutierrez366
@abnergutierrez366 3 года назад
The early versions of Dante Sonata S.161/7 are imo way much better than the later version xd, they include many interesting material that got dropped after the revised version
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
The revised version is better. That's why it was revised.
@tneveca
@tneveca 5 месяцев назад
I never knew there was a different version. Reminds me of the second Rachmaninoff sonata. Both have versions with extra stuff in them. I can’t help but hear that stuff as “extra” though.
@jerry_moo
@jerry_moo 3 года назад
I actually prefer the Mazeppa-like coda here more than the original coda.
@iliketurtles5180
@iliketurtles5180 Год назад
I have no idea how it's possible to play those chords so fast like wtf
@franzliszt5909
@franzliszt5909 2 года назад
15:00 Whoa thats a nice coda. Why did he change it :(
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 2 года назад
Because it’s friendishly hard, doesn’t recapitulate any of the themes really, and doesn’t link well to what goes before and after it
@franzliszt5909
@franzliszt5909 2 года назад
I know, but its a coda so it doesn't have to mach before and after it. Honestly it's better cuz that transition from the coda to the final part was very good. Even before that, the pause and then the main theme like the start, to the coda which it is the happiest part of the sonata. It is trying to be like the sonata in b minor, it changes moods if you hear a transition in the b minor sonata its exactly like this one, from suffering to joy but in reverse. In this sonata it goes from joy to suffering... (From paradise to hell)
@franzliszt5909
@franzliszt5909 2 года назад
Now i know that you're a professional so im not trying to argue. Im just saying my opinion, cause i liked the coda and literally this whole version, so thank you for uploading it :). Also im trying to find an earlier version of the sonata in b minor but no one else has uploaded it. I would really appreciate you uploading it. Thanks :)
@thenotsookayguy
@thenotsookayguy Год назад
That's just the Vision ossia but extended.
@j.vonhogen9650
@j.vonhogen9650 Месяц назад
​@@thenotsookayguy- I agree! The ossia in Vision is about as 'difficult' as these eight removed bars of the coda, which is actually rather easy to play. Even Lesley Howard has suggested that Vision is not a difficult etude at all, which is why it is so strange that in his CD liner notes as quoted in the video description he describes these eight bars as "outrageously difficult". I personally think these eight bars are not difficult at all, but don't take my word for it. I encourage everyone to try out these bars at the piano. Make up your own mind!
@ValzainLumivix
@ValzainLumivix 3 года назад
After reading Dante
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 3 года назад
Noice! Is there any recordings of a and b too(just asking)?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
There is one live recording of S.158b, and one not-so-good recording of S.158a.
@thenotsookayguy
@thenotsookayguy Год назад
2:20
@user-fu7zf4ck9z
@user-fu7zf4ck9z 2 года назад
Can someone explain to me all the differences to the official version? I'm currently learning the official version and it's a lot of fun
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 2 года назад
By “official version” I can only assume that you mean S.161/7. In this version, there are mostly minor differences, usually in transitions of material. The most notable differences are the lack of the “melody octaves” at 3:49, the more complex accompaniment at 5:55, and the extended coda near the end, which is of such difficultly that Liszt wisely removed it for the final version.
@foxfire7779
@foxfire7779 3 года назад
Bruh S158c is so similar to S161/7 but with some differences
@foxfire7779
@foxfire7779 3 года назад
9:05 notes are missing on score
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
Filipec of Naxos clearly decided to add in those notes from S.161/7, perhaps to make that passage less empty sounding. I would have preferred complete accuracy, but this is all we have :)
@foxfire7779
@foxfire7779 3 года назад
13:36 piano concerto 2 vibes
@leesean1794
@leesean1794 3 года назад
How do you get this sheet! I really love this version! Please share me the source 🙏
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
Screenshot the video if you want the sheet
@leesean1794
@leesean1794 3 года назад
Thanks alot! I asked because I couldn't find this in my LISZT collection, as a big fan of him, it's quite a pity lol. Thanks for sharing!
@Liszthesis
@Liszthesis 3 года назад
the part from 13:36 is amazing!!!
@Liszthesis
@Liszthesis 3 года назад
also 15:00 the coda is just so terrifying...
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@Liszthesis It’s a passage of some terrifying difficulty indeed
@elionthekeys
@elionthekeys 3 года назад
@@TheModicaLiszt Did you know that there is a more early version than this?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@elionthekeys Yes of course. Once we get a good recording, I’ll hop onto it.
@j.vonhogen9650
@j.vonhogen9650 Месяц назад
​@@TheModicaLiszt- I respectfully disagree. These "eight bars of outrageous difficulty", as Lesley Howard describes them, are actually rather easy to play and certainly not terrifying in any way. I encourage you to try out the passage yourself and then compare its alleged difficulty to that of similar passages in other works, like Mazeppa and Vision (the ossia's). I'd say these eight bars in this early version of Dante Sonata are about as difficult as the ending of Ravel's Jeux d'eau, which is standard repertoire for every pianist and even for (advanced) amateurs. Of course, Howard is one of the most respected Liszt experts in the world, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he says, especially when his remarks originate from the liner notes of his CDs and merely reflect his personal opinion and preferences (or maybe just his own technical limitations as a pianist), rather than musicological or historical findings, hypotheses and conclusions resulting from his extensive and excellent research. Anyway, thanks a lot for this wonderful video and keep up the good work!
@bobbob-kw9qo
@bobbob-kw9qo 3 года назад
Jeffery
@erensobi52
@erensobi52 7 месяцев назад
Where did you find the manuscript?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 7 месяцев назад
It can be found online
@allan-lk9sz
@allan-lk9sz 2 месяца назад
@@TheModicaLisztcan you provide a link pls I can't seem to find it
@Elena-li7cp
@Elena-li7cp 3 года назад
Where I can get sheet music?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
It was published by EMB in their Neue Liszt-Ausgabe series, in one of the Supplements.
@Elena-li7cp
@Elena-li7cp 3 года назад
@@TheModicaLiszt Can you send me sheet music? Or do you know where I can buy in PDF format?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@Elena-li7cp I don’t think you can purchase it in PDF format.
@Elena-li7cp
@Elena-li7cp 3 года назад
@@TheModicaLiszt So, Where did you get this? Can you share it with me or sell me?
@TheModicaLiszt
@TheModicaLiszt 3 года назад
@@Elena-li7cp You could always screenshot the video...
@Palermo.340
@Palermo.340 2 года назад
Better than S161/7 version
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