If Fraiser was aired in 2024, Niles's wife would be a feminist, transgender. Frasier's wife would identify as they/them. Their dad would be gay, forcing his sons to vote liberal. Daphne would've been black and would always ridicule the white folk and republicans.
Anybody who has lost a parent and then their living parent makes reference to how ashamed/ disappointed the parent no longer with them would be in a situation knows how hard Martin’s dialogue is to hear
I'm crying now🥺Sounds like something my father would say if I crossed the line. I love dramatic scenes on sitcoms. They don't make em like this anymore.
I've loved this show for years and watch it now in reruns and it still delivers lots of laughs. For anyone wondering, they used to sneak in a few jokes, usually with the names of the restaurants they would frequent. In the kitchen they talk about which place to take him and they both agree, "The Cigart Volant", which means "The Flying Saucer". And another which escapes my memory at the moment was the black pig or something like that lol.
Lol but in all honesty, I would be pissed if a waitress did that to me. She didn't know if that tie had special meaning, like if it was a gift from his wife or something.
100% agree with Martin. Theres nothing wrong with disliking the food, but theres absolutely no acceptable reason for being rude to a perfectly nice waitress.
As terribly rude and snobby as Frasier and Niles behave the whole time in the restaurant, to be fair to them, I'd be really pissed off too if somebody cut my tie like that. Especially if it was a Hugo Boss tie like Niles' or if it was a gift from a loved one. The restaurant should face repercussions for practicing that!
Martin’s put down of Frasier and Niles here is spectacular and so important. One of the best scenes in the whole show. As funny and loveable as the two are, you’re reminded of the fact they can be cruel, snobby and appallingly rude. Their airs and graces mean nothing when you act like a pair of hurtful arseholes. Marty using their mother to prick them was so well delivered.
One last thing nobody is more superior than anyone else. We're all equal and nobody is better than anybody else. And with that being said there's a golden rule if u can't say anything nice dont say anything at all Niles and Fraser should have kept their nasty comments and rudeness to themselves. Its like they wanted to go out of their way to embarrass their father and to hurt his feelings it was terrible watching this unfold.
You know, I never understood Fraiser's high-class snobbish behaviour against his Dad in the first season. His friends in Cheers were pretty much all like Martin. I haven't seen that show in years, so I could be wrong. How big of a snob was he in that show?
Yes, most of the time he was happy alongside the rest to drink the badly-poured frothy beer at Cheers bar. A lot of people have commented that he seemed to have a bit of a character change once in Seattle.
@@regviewer probably because in Seattle he had a reputation to uphold amongst the Seattle elite and had been stuck in an echo chamber of high class snobbery for months, probably made him shake off his more laid back nature although you do see it crop up whenever a Cheers cast member appears
The show was almost never serious - much less serious than old "Cheers", certainly - so it's a bit of a shock to see John Mahoney's humdinger of a tirade in the last minute or so. It was early in the run and they were still finding the rhythm, said rhythm usually never including heavy monologues. Notice how the Crane boys don't really try to "expand" Martin's life-experience again, though!
"Rooms With A View" has a heartrendingly unforgettable Monologue by "Mrs. Daphne Crane" when Her patience is zapped after She endures "Niles" being admitted to a Seattle Hospital for open heart surgery.😔🎤💃👨⚕️👩⚕️💉💊❤📺B.W.
To be fair, being able to choose your own cut of meat isn't meaningfully different from choosing your own lobster and restaurants certainly consider themselves a step up if they do so. Of course, with the price Martin was quoted all the beef on the trolley was probably only fit for stew, but the idea of picking your own cut as low class doesn't seem warranted.
I'm a meat eater, but the idea of choosing which lobster you want killed for you is abhorrent, especially with how they boil them alive At least at the Timber Mill it's already dead
This was bloody 1993, and Niles' mobile phone has no antenna and is a flip phone. I think later he had a Motorola microtac and even later a startac (flip phone)
What is odd is that when Frasier was in Boston he certainly didn't mind hanging out with his Cheers buddies who were a lot like Martin, but once back home and around Niles, his snobbish side came out. I've always believed that once he was around his Brother he tried to hide the fact that he used to like being like Martin when he was away from Niles. Case in point look at the Cheers Thanksgiving episode where everyone, including Frasier got into a huge food fight, you never seen him act like that on Frasier. If he told Martin he did that food fight he'd laugh himself silly, but Niles would have thought he lost his mind
3:54-4:26. I'm absolutely with Martin, the two brothers were a couple of utter morons, which is all very well in some of the "places" they frequent. But they know their dad and they know that he'll believe that when u eat where normal, every day, salt-of-the-earth folks eat, u behave decently.
@@charleroi66:...You clearly haven't given it any thought from Martin's perspective then. It wasn't in the least bit thin skinned, Martin let any number of their stupid, boorish, ignorant and insensitive jibes go before he got pissed off, and he was absolutely right and justified so to do. Frazier and Niles placed unnecessary and unwarranted importance on WHERE they dined, because the places were "exclusive" or "expensive" whereas Martin, quite rightly focused on what was actually important... how you behave when you're somewhere, ANYWHERE, socially. Martin always knew how to cut through the bullshit, especially the bullshit of Frazier and Niles' snobbery.
@Michael Rawson There was a Halloween episode from I think Season 9, when Niles was playing Martin and making it out like he didn't love him and Fraiser, thinking they were disappointments because of their geeky interests. So yeah, Martin has been shown to be a jerk to them as well, because they are the complete opposite of him. He didn't go as far as they did in this episode though.
@@charleroi66 to be fair, Martin did let a lot of their snark comments and obnoxious behaviour slide, but they kept going with it, until it was too much. He understood that the restaurant wasn’t to their liking, but they wouldn’t let up about how they felt about the restaurant, until their company was no longer pleasant for him, and his evening with them was ruined. Martin has poked fun at Frasier’s and Niles’s tastes many times, but he never carried it on until they were sick of hearing it.
@@charleroi66 Martin allowed them enough let til they started to lose all sense of the decency they held claim to. They could.have found a better and more civilized way to exercise their feelings.
This was the episode that made me commit to watching the whole show. It can be so touching at times. I love the way Martin gave them a dressing down for being stuck up jerks.
I know Niles and Frasier were snobby, but what was wrong with Martin's suit other than it being made of cheaper material than they tended to wear? I like wearing a suit occasionally, but I am not about to judge a man for wearing a cheap suit. As long as it looks good on them and they feel good, then it's fine
John Mahoney played a terrible Hack Songwriter that "Cheers" hired to write a Jingle in one particular Episode. His cheaply made Plaid Polyester Suit only drove home the point that the character was too boorish even to care about how he conducted Business. Whereas no matter how "Marty Crane" was dressed through his many virtues he came off as a Blue Collar Knight in Shining Armor. The genuine difference between both Roles and the late great Mr. Mahoney Played them expertly!🤔😉🎤👮♂️👔👞👞☕☕🥩🥔🍷🍸📻📺B.W.
Listen, this is Dr. Niles Crane. I've never been treated so shabbily in my entire life. I've got a good mind to come down there and create an embarrassing scene. Niles, they already hung up. Huh. Thank God. Wish this was in it.
It always bothered me how niles and Frasier were so rude to the servers and to Martin. It literally hurt me seeing that cas it wasnt bout the damn restaurant it was Martin wanting to spend time with them and it was bout them spending time as a family. Niles and Frasier made me angry cas of they were acting i didn't blame Martin for leaving restaurant and being mad and disappointed in them. And mayb my point of view is like this cas i lost my dad at young age so i get very angry wen i see this episode specifically cas niles and Fraser acted so snobbish and acted like that restaurant wasnt good enough for them like seriously why say u hate the restaurant knowing damm well it hurt their own fathers feelings. I don't like snobby pple so yea it enraged me how they acted like it was beneath them. That was a nice restaurant and they should of been happy that their father wanted to spend time with them instead of being rude to everyone in restaurant and embarrassing him. Like let ur hair down Niles and Fraser were stuffy af like they should of kept their mouths shut if they didn't have anything nice to say bout the restaurant instead of voicing it knowing it would hurt their fathers feelings its awful they took the latter approach.
Niles and Fraiser had a way of competing with each other over who was more high class. I wonder if Martin had only taken one of them, would it have gotten as ugly? In their defense, they didn't even attempt to excuse their bad behavior. It's the worst feeling when you've hurt your parent. However....the idea of Maris and her friends eating at this particular restaurant is genuinely funny, I'm surprised Martin didn't agree. I guess he was already too hurt.
Why aren't you getting hit with a copyright strike? LOL Not being difficult, but on another account, I once tried doing something similar to this with another show, and it got taken down almost immediately
Niles and Fraser grow up and quit being ungrateful snobs. Ur father wanted to spend time with yall thats what the dinner was supposed to b about. Who cares what restaurant u eat at really it doesn't matter as long as ur with ur family spending time with them. Wen they started joking around and seeing it was upsetting their father it made me mad as hell cas its so rude to do what they were doing in a public setting especially at restaurant where their father liked the restaurant
