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crosstrainingenduro.com Free GPS for adventure riding? Yes please! I was horrified at the cost of a Garmin Zumo GPS and started hunting for other options. Keen on adventure riding in Australia? Check out our vids and our Gaia GPS review, great for adventure riding GPS! I had an old mobile phone collecting dust and researched the free GPS apps available. There are lots of phone apps that adventure riders are using. Waze, Google Maps, Maps.Me, TripIt, Scout, iOverlander to name a few. But Gaia GPS is becoming very popular for dual sport GPS riding. And it's completely free if you use the basic version. If you like dual sport riding in Australia then you might like our adventure riding vids. But first... what are some advantages of using your smartphone as a GPS? If you already have a dedicated GPS unit, then your phone is a good backup. It's free. Check out our reviews of various adventure bikes and dual sport bikes. Or almost free. You may want to buy a mount like this. I like the Garmin RAM as these rubber straps provide extra security. Welcome to Cross Training Adventure, we are into all things dual sport and adventure on the east coast of Australia. Screen size. You can save a record of your trip along with geotagged photos, waypoints and trip notes. You can back up all your trip data with a free GAIA Cloud account. It's pretty amazing how much you get with the free account. But as its popularity grows, I wouldn't be surprised if they start reducing the features available in the free version. In conclusion? These free apps are a great way to see if you enjoy plotting your trips and getting into the world of GPS. If you do buy a dedicated GPS unit, remember you don't need to spend a fortune on a Garmin Zumo. Most smartphones have bigger screens than GPS units which makes navigation on-the-fly easier. Security. Stopping for lunch? It's easy to pop the phone out of the mount and take it with you. The negatives? Some phone screens are too dim in bright sunlight and you'll need to stop if you want to see the screen clearly. With the screen on permanent full brightness, you may find the battery only lasts a few hours. You may need to rig up a power cord to last the full day. But in most cases your battery should last a full day. Waterproofing? A few of the premium phone models are waterproof. But most phones only have a limited degree of water resistance. Once the rain starts, you'll need to put a plastic bag over it. Also, when you use a GPS app your phone usually stops all other notifications so you won't receive phone calls and text messages while the app is running. This is where an old second phone comes in handy. What about tablets? If you have an old tablet lying around, it can be useful if you want a really large screen. These tend to work best if you have enough room behind your windscreen to mount them. Some riders with rally fairings buy 'rugged tablets' which are waterproof and have extra bright screens. This comes standard on AJP's PR7. We have occasional detours to places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Romania and Canada. This is one of our three channels, there's also a Cross Training Trials channel, and a Cross Training Enduro channel. All three are equally dodgy. Or don't subscribe to our Cross Training Adventure riding channel. The main thing is get out and ride while you can with dual sport riding or Adventure riding in Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Romania and beyond! So check out Cross Training Adventure Okay. For years I was just using Garmin's automotive models that allow you upload GPS tracks and follow them. You can buy these for about $50 now. Look for the Garmin Nuvi 1350, 1390, 1450 and 1490 models. So what are you guys using? Good fashioned maps? An expensive dedicated GPS unit? Or just your phone? I'm keen to hear what works best for you. And what didn't! Keep an eye on the pinned first comment as I'll post further details there as I use this Gaia app more. So back to the free Gaia GPS app. The good news? You can use it offline, so you don't actually need a SIM card in your phone once you have downloaded the relevant maps. It works on IOS and Android phones and tablets. You can use Gaia's website to plan your trips on your computer then transfer these to your phone.
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@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
RAM MOUNTS? For phones, also check out the Ram Mount QuickGrip. It's actually cheaper than the X-mount and some riders say it is more secure. With the X Mount, be aware the rubber stops can easily slip off if bouncing in tough terrain. Also the rubber strap for extra security can break quite easily... I've had two break in a row so I use big rubber bands as a backup. BEST FREE GPS APP? The general consensus seems to be that Gaia GPS and OsmAnd are the most popular. osmand.net It looks as though you get a few extra features with OsmAnd. But some riders find the maps are cluttered with too much detail. See this comparison: www.coffstrails.com/review-of-navigation-apps-for-4wd-adventures/ A few viewers have also said Pocket Earth is a great app. I didn't come across this one in my research. PHONES AND TABLETS OVERHEATING? Viewers have mentioned that screens can go dim as harsh direct sunlight can warm things up too much (at least in summer). Consider mounting your phone more vertically to get less sun. And try to get it under your tinted windscreen for shade. It will be easier to read the screen as well.
@JasonTankard
@JasonTankard 5 месяцев назад
Quadlock case and mounts are amazing, and you can get a vibration dampener. You can also do wireless charging.
@f22at12mm
@f22at12mm Год назад
One of the best no bullshit, useful, no wank, motorcycle channels on RU-vid.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Cheers Scott.... although it all occasionally gets a bit masturbatorial. 😂
@davea9502
@davea9502 Год назад
Appreciate seeing all the DR650 footage!
@k_plax
@k_plax Год назад
Have used Gaia for about 3 years now. Specifically bought the biggest iPhone a couple of years ago to use as a GPS. And all the bits for a proper Quadlock anti-vibration mount. The app and phone combo has worked much much better than I thought it would. App on both laptop and phone is so easy to use. Only down sides are as modern phones are used for extended periods and become warm their screens dim, dust build up on the screen makes it hard to see, and rain droplets mess around with the touch screen until dried. Gaia has seen price increases since being bought out by Outdoor(?) a year ago. The used to have some occasional pretty sweet discounts but AUD50/yr isnt bad for what you get. Thats 16years worth of Zumo I think.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I'm keen to try the OsmAnd app. Open source so it hopefully has all the premium features of Gaia but free.
@octane_matty
@octane_matty Год назад
+1 for Gaia, using it on an old iPhone and it’s flawless, hardest part is pressing buttons with gloves on
@-TheRealChris
@-TheRealChris Год назад
PocketEarth is the best free offline GPS app I've found, been using it for years really cant recommend it enough. For the phone mount I have switched to the Ram Mount QuickGrip, I find it WAY better than there Xgrip one, I've done jumps, big log hops bashed though washouts and whatnot that I didn't see in the shadows I've never had the phone move or fall off It's heaps faster and nicer to get the phone in and out than the Xfrip one and there's no more rubber things to have to mess about with. Totally agree about using an old phone as your GPS, you can get an Iphone 6 or 7 for under $100 and a waterproof case for another $20 or so so its way cheaper plus it gives you a spare phone if you carry a paperclip to swap the SIM if needed.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Thanks for the tip about the Ram Mount QuickGrip, it's actually cheaper too. I've put this in the pinned first comment.
@-TheRealChris
@-TheRealChris Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure No worries! It's just such a massive improvement over there Xgrip (which I didn't think much of to be honest) I try and tell everyone I can so they can finally experience a phone holder that's actually does what it says on the tin too, there's so meany disappointing products out there it feel like a massive win when you find one that works!
@mototrailz
@mototrailz Год назад
OsmAnd is arguably the best app for navigation with a phone but the reliability of a Garmin Montana 7xx is second to none: Rain, heat, crash...The visibility is great when the sun hits your screen and no overeating issue to worry about.
@brapamaldi7666
@brapamaldi7666 Год назад
Was about to mention osmand. No need for internet or data once you download the maps. Its pretty much all I use. It even has offline navigation, although a bit flakey at times and doesnt do street addresses, only street junctions, but does the job well enough for a free offline app.
@valefore82
@valefore82 Год назад
I live in BC, Canada, I prefer TraIlforks over GAIA. I get more accurate trails and it filters Trails/Types of user, it has a "Dirtbike" trail filter which shows me all the single track and most FSR, it also has an ATV/OHV filter to show all the other FSR and doubletrack. It's shown me many local places that i didn't even know i was allowed to ride at. It seems to track me better on the map as well, i always seem to miss turns with gaia because its lagging behind.
@Fred-mv8fx
@Fred-mv8fx Год назад
I'm going to check that out! It's not as easy as I'd like to find single track on Gaia. By the way, for the lagging behind issue make sure battery optimization is turned off. It and the other GPS apps can get slow updates leading to low-res gpx tracks and the lag you're experiencing if the OS optimizes battery usage.
@LennertBakker
@LennertBakker Год назад
Been using Osmand for 9 years now. Have tried a few others but Osmand does everything I need. I use it almost daily for normal on-road navigation but I also use it to ride gpx tracks. It's really a Swiss army knife for navigation. I like that it's just as useful off the trails as it is on the trail. While traveling, you don't have to switch between apps because one is good for adventure and the other for finding a supermarket or gas station.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I will have to install it and give it a try, Lennert. The maps look more detailed but I do like the uncluttered feel of the Gaia maps (if you don't add layers). It also works seamlessly from computer to the phone when creating routes.
@LennertBakker
@LennertBakker Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure You can easily change the mapstyle. If you need help, just ask. I'm a bit behind on my youtube tutorials in English but as you know, answering a question is easy compared to making a video.
@kolka10100
@kolka10100 Год назад
It is worth to install, but you must spend sometime to learn how to use it, once it down you will never back to any others. -100%. I use osmand EVEN in public flights , since most flights today even not show where are you pass now and this app work as a sharm ...
@brapamaldi7666
@brapamaldi7666 Год назад
Its also the best OFFLINE mapping app. I never have data on my phone, but my map works perfectly fine regardless.
@kolka10100
@kolka10100 Год назад
@@brapamaldi7666 confirm, as well many times work offline (I even not mention this feature since it obvious.. for modern gps apps)
@NorthWestMotos
@NorthWestMotos Год назад
American here. I use Gaia GPS on the phone and carry good ol paper maps as a backup. But I like maps so I don't mind buying many for all the different places I like to explore.
@ThrottleAddiction
@ThrottleAddiction Год назад
We're touring Japan on motorcycles at the moment and it doesn't have a GPS system as such, so Google is the go. I bought a Bison 2 (Android) phone for the trip. They are inexpensive, but claimed to be a 'tough phone', so are water and shockproof. Using Google Maps is so much easier than Garmin or whatever, as you can plan your route on a laptop then send it to your phone - done. If you still have good eyesight, plan the route on the phone direct. No need to use special map interface and convert files then link GPS unit to upload and fail half the time. When we get back home to Oz, I think the Bison will now be our go-to navigation device.
@Teammizera
@Teammizera Год назад
I put a Velcro patch on my life proof case and put a plate with the other half of Velcro on the bike. Easy to grab-n-go and will stay put if you drop the bike.
@zxcvbnmnz
@zxcvbnmnz Год назад
Been using Gaia almost 2 years to map the forest I ride after my CX60 drowned in a creek. I like that you can take pics of big logs/ruts etc as way points. Rain on the screen sucks and have killed a phone with rain and maybe another yesterday, time for a rugged phone. I have a usb charger running straight from the battery on my EXC and use a Quad lock mount. Just took a 276cx off the bike I just got and using a Phone.
@orpaztron
@orpaztron Год назад
Long answer. I tried a Garmin in the Alps and switched to a cell phone with apps - waze or G maps and voice prompts because you see the map and directions more clearly. In off-road riding, I navigate with a cell phone and a local app with a website where the route is planned and downloaded to the app on the phone. The app uses free maps and has voice prompts. The problem is that some mobile phones don't do well with vibrations because of the camera stabilizer. In addition, the combination of sunlight and dust makes it impossible to see the route clearly. Today I think that a tablet with 2,000 NIT is the best option. hope to check it soon.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Yep, I can barely see a thing with my phone in direct sunlight. Probably 400 NIT at best.
@vettman762
@vettman762 Год назад
I’m completely new to duel sports but I’ve used the Newtracs app to help actually find trails. The free version works well enough for a beginner and when I need a position check it works well and even gives me my direction. It sometimes has trail difficulty too but it is a 4WD app so take the ratings as you would. Looking forward to trying your other recommendations
@CosminNecula
@CosminNecula Год назад
I have used for sometime a Oukitel or Blackview phone (both IP67 rugged phones; Blackview was actually really cheap ~ 130 EUR). For road travels through EU countries, I used Google Maps since there are no roaming tariffs. For countries outside EU and any offroad rides, I use OsmAnd+ and I am more than happy about it. Offline navigation, gpx import (I usually plan my rides in Garmin BaseCamp). The learning curve is a bit steep but once you get used to it it's easy to use. Recently I got a nice job so I upgraded to the Carpe Iter tablet (I know, it's pricey) but I'd rather have a dedicated navigation solution using my preferred apps and keep the phone for music/phone calls etc)
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I will look into OsmAnd nextd, Cosmin. Does it have a good app for plotting your files on a computer then transferring to phone?
@Zw1d
@Zw1d Год назад
Same. Black view phone with permanent 3d printed holder. It never leaves handlebars. It's super slow on charging though. That's where they saved money
@robpinter5431
@robpinter5431 Год назад
Garmin GPS units are rather clunky in their operation in comparison to the phone running a mapping application, I prefer to use the phone Samsung S22 waterproof, works well with a quadloc charging head all day. Working with DMD2 application for accurate spedometer, and OsmAnd for off line mapping. Paper maps are also good to look over to get an overview of your locality.
@stevemason7790
@stevemason7790 Год назад
I lashed out and bought the Zumo which I'm very happy with.After much research,it seems Garmin are investing the best in their mapping,even better than Hema Explorer which you need to pay a yearly subscriprion for.Just one of the many features I like about my Zumo,back track.When I go on a ride with friends who take me places I haven't been,I can activate back track and save the ride,also handy for finding my way back from a ride.I don't have to worry about vibration and also always have connection,often lose reception on my phone.
@kee7678
@kee7678 Год назад
Good info. I"ve been wondering about the new Zumo XT 2..and others..or just using an old phone.
@brentkellner5107
@brentkellner5107 Год назад
$50USD Tracfone without cell plan but with $20 GAIA subscription and $20 battery bank (no bike wiring needed).GAIA also on my regular cell phone as backup.
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 Год назад
1:00 cutting corners on blind corners is always a sure fired way to a short and happy life. 😀
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
It's a one way track up the mountain though. You have to descend on a bitumen road. 😎
@war_duck2061
@war_duck2061 Год назад
I use a tripy II and my phone with osmand or maps if I need to locate precisely an adress in town . If you live in western europe the Tripy II despite its age is still a really valid solution.
@trevornugent9680
@trevornugent9680 Год назад
Tripletek 8 is amazing for navigation. Excellent battery life and screen brightness!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
1200 NIT brightness!
@davelarson4697
@davelarson4697 Год назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I use Gaia for planning and track/route storage. Dedicated Kyocera Duraforce phone (no sim card) and OsmAnd for on-bike following tracks and tracking rides. Regular phone stays in my pocket. If I need to update my planned route, I turn on the phone's hotspot and connect the Kyocera to it for direct transfers or to go online if necessary. Riding a bigger bike (Tiger 900) so I have a power outlet available and keep the Kyocera plugged in and charged up.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Great to hear Dave. I only just realised a few days ago I could still connect my old sim card-less phone to my new one for internet access.
@rotorhead5000
@rotorhead5000 Год назад
I was going to recommend the same thing as a dedicated GPS phone. I've moved on to a more mainstream everyday phone, but the duraforce lives on for special uses like this. It's the one variety of phone I've never been able to kill (if you knew my phone slaying history, the magnitude of that accomplishment would really stand out)
@nwbasson
@nwbasson Год назад
Been using Gaia for a while now. They sometimes have discounts for yearly subscriptions that has some worthwhile extras, like backroad map books in Canada for example.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
A few guys are mentioning OsmAnd which is completely open source, wish I'd known about that one being doing this vid lol.
@NewBrunswickOutdoorLife
@NewBrunswickOutdoorLife 3 месяца назад
Gaia's yearly subscription price went thru the roof recently. Time to find a new alternative to Gaia. Polaris Ride Command is a nice option here in Canada.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 3 месяца назад
Bummer. I'm still using the free option which is working pretty well.
@marthinusvorster
@marthinusvorster Год назад
To the audience. Could one out there. Wouldn't mind an honest review of Trailtech Voyager Pro .
@jasondunn8894
@jasondunn8894 Год назад
I bought a refurb Samsung S10+ (as my iPhone camera got damaged by the vibrations) with a Quadlock mount on my Tenere660 with the free version of DMD2 app. This seems ok so far and doubles as GPS speedo if you don’t want the map. It also enables you to customize the UI and incorporate your favorite apps for weather, music, etc.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
That's one thing I don't like about Gaia... if you aren't using the maps you don't have the option of a full screen speedo. The Garmin GPS units have this and it's very handy.
@Matt43
@Matt43 Год назад
I use a Garmin Montana because I need the inReach messaging (I mostly ride alone)... Gaia GPS is my go-to for creating tracks to push onto the Garmin, especially because it has so many map layers (I pay the $40/yr). IMO the yearly cost is worth it for me as it allows me to view the snow coverage maps in early/late season to know where I should/shouldn't ride.
@kolka10100
@kolka10100 Год назад
Osmandlive options will send your location to any you decide .. down side .. need connection ...but it can 'hold' and once available it will show all your navigation .. so rescue will know a feet by feet area and not 1000000m2 for your rescue
@terrywest5735
@terrywest5735 Год назад
I'm running the Locus map classic on my Kyocera DuraForce Pro phone. The Locus maps are very easy to read and with as much detail as you want or don't want. This is my primary source for routing anytime I'm on the adv bike, but I also run a Garmin Zumo XT as my source for fuel, lodging, and other necessities, locations. You can find the Kyocera phones used in the US for $50 occasionally. It's waterproof and comes in a pretty heavy duty casing from the factory. I'm told it was engineered for the military? Please understand that I am technically challenged and have listed all I know about the phone and map system, but they serve me well. Please keep up the great channel!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
The waterproof phone is a good idea, Terry. And they must occasionally be cheap when the battery is stuffed... which shouldn't matter if it's powered by the bike's battery instead.
@terrywest5735
@terrywest5735 Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure Oops I failed to mention that I have a 12v S.A.E. connector running to the handlebar area. Have you tried the Locus maps?
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
No the free maps with Gaia have been enough so far
@jameshind6644
@jameshind6644 Год назад
The downside of a phone is the camera tends to break off road and they can overheat in summer. If using a phone I would suggest buying a military grade one that is waterproof/dust proof and shock resistant. A good one can be bought for aud $300. The downside is quadlock don’t make cases for them. I have tried both and prefer the Zumo xt.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I suspect it's best to see if you can get the phone within the shade of a windscreen if possible? At least for summer riding.
@therimshifter
@therimshifter 11 месяцев назад
I'm using a Zumo XT on the ADV bike and on the enduro bike a Ulefone Armor X10 Pro, which costs f*ck all compared to a Garmin, with DMD2 software on it. Works perfect. Also got Gaia, Osmand and other apps installed. And i find it easy to switch to Google maps if needed. Great battery life too! Plus nice to use as a digital roadbook if riding rallies.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 11 месяцев назад
Good price but how waterproof is it? There's virtually no info on the website. www.ulefone.com/us/armor-x10-pro-p1513.html
@therimshifter
@therimshifter 11 месяцев назад
@@crosstrainingadventure It's IP68. I used it as a roadbook in 3 days nonstop rain. It still works. www.amazon.nl/Ulefone-Armor-X10-Smartphone-Fotocamera/dp/B09VK2M74Q/ref=sxts_rp_s_1_0?content-id=amzn1.sym.35121d90-dcf4-4f57-aa6e-1b3e379e7e94%3Aamzn1.sym.35121d90-dcf4-4f57-aa6e-1b3e379e7e94&crid=17A203EAQ8QXH&cv_ct_cx=ulefone+armor+x10+pro&keywords=ulefone+armor+x10+pro&pd_rd_i=B09VK2M74Q&pd_rd_r=ea1aacbe-a983-447b-87ea-b9f6a5f14e67&pd_rd_w=MqPuZ&pd_rd_wg=mfnhd&pf_rd_p=35121d90-dcf4-4f57-aa6e-1b3e379e7e94&pf_rd_r=D9KPG6FVQ1AE0S7J1SGV&qid=1689278420&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=ulefone+arm%2Caps%2C96&sr=1-1-1890b328-3a40-4864-baa0-a8eddba1bf6a
@makzzz1986
@makzzz1986 Год назад
Instead of MapsMe I would recommend Organic Maps from the same developers but without advertisement. I prefer to use Google Maps, but it has a big disadvantage, it thinks that you need to get from point A to point B as far as possible and even you decide to choose a longer trip, it wants to change the route from time to time and you better don't miss this moment! As a backup plan, I have Garmin E-Trex, some people use old-school paper maps in case of...
@JBGeoscience
@JBGeoscience Год назад
Gaia GPS and the government road sector dataset in QField. That way one has the definitive information on surface type and public accessibility. Since discovering Gaia all our Garmin equipment has been parked for professional application and it is either Gaia or Trimble when accuracy is required. The Gaia web interface could be improved (track, route and waypoint handling) but that will come with time.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Public accessibility would be handy for adv riding. I like finding those old 'roads' between farmers' fields and used cadastral maps to see if they were still legally roads. Very handy to have that on your phone or GPS.
@KeepItSimpleSailor
@KeepItSimpleSailor 8 месяцев назад
Just coming back to riding - and using maps, with some google earth previewing at home. I get sick of digital stuff everywhere anyway 😁
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 8 месяцев назад
No school like the old school!
@theflyingkiwi4803
@theflyingkiwi4803 Год назад
I’ve been using a free app on an old iPhone XR for a year. Playing around with different apps, including DMD2 (on an old android phone - extremely frustrating!). Screen brightness of the phone is an issue, making it virtually unusable in bright sunlight. The phone power supply in heavy rain is also problematic due to water ingress into the charging port. Google maps in offline mode is quite good but I think at the end of the day I might fork out for a Zumo XT2.
@thunderbox91
@thunderbox91 Год назад
I use a garmin 66i so that it has the inreach function aswell. I then use Avenza maps as well which allows tracking on hema maps. I also have life360 so the partner can track my location
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I reckon we'll need something similar if we get back into the really remote stuff again. Currently we aren't usually more than three hours from home on these rides.
@rod1449
@rod1449 Год назад
Well, it's interesting you should mention this expensive gps thingo: the garmin zumo. Because I just bought a bike (dr 650) with some sort of gadget attached to it that has zumo written on it. And I have been wondering it is. So now I know what it is, thankyou very much. I suppose I will have to find a 10 year old to show me what it does. I just thought it was there to hide the speedo.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
😂 Cash in and sell it off? They actually are a pretty good GPS unit, Rod.
@thomashardy4326
@thomashardy4326 6 месяцев назад
Maps are fine if you know where you are but when the roads don’t quite match and or there are no signs that makes it a bit tricky. also I got sick of getting the map out haha
@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield
@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield Год назад
Not an ADV rider. Use TomTom Rider 550 but keep unpaved roads turned off.
@perrinolivier3777
@perrinolivier3777 Год назад
I'm use Osman, it's top.
@Simulationaviationnz
@Simulationaviationnz Год назад
On my gs i use the Garmin 750i Montana, got it because its water proof, and has built in emergency features incase just incase. On my road bike i just use my phone with google maps
@PeterR0035
@PeterR0035 Год назад
I use the Beeline Moto; it is extremely small (5cm diameter) and basically just shows an arrow that points where to go to. It connects via BT to any phone which can stay safely in my pocket. If needed I can mount the other extreme option; a Samsung active pad 3 ; a rugged waterproof tablet with DMD2 software that connects with the motorbike OBD2 bus system which also gives RPM, water temp, gear,....
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I looked at a few outdoor tablets, Peter. Pretty expensive so I'm going to trial an old one I've got and see if it's worth the upgrade. No problem mounting yours on the bars?
@marthinusvorster
@marthinusvorster Год назад
Yes, I use Beeline moto on the phone. Can upload a gpx or route file and follow a non intrusive arrow. Good choice.
@PeterR0035
@PeterR0035 Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure I honestly would not recommend any tablet if you're going very rugged/rough off road. I got the Samsung active pad 3 second hand for 210 euro (it is not the latest nr4 model, but more than good enough) I tried the Brodit mount but had my doubts about the rear ball suspension. I decided for a RAM specific mount for the Samsung. A standard ball has only just capable wieght capacity off road, when !! not too rugged. It is a lot of weight but also leverage hanging on 1 point. So I decided to strap some extra elastic bands between the corners of the mount and the rally cross bars of the bike. Tablet is 'only' +/-500 gram and holder +/-300 gram. When hitting a deep pothole that becomes x3, x4, x5... so several kilograms...! ...something to consider... I like the tablet because it gives me large info surface and a portable PC at night, when doing a big outdoor camping trip.
@Gregor.Forsyth
@Gregor.Forsyth Год назад
I use Gaia with an iPhone 8 in a Quadlock case with Quadlock wireless charging mount. The screen can stay on all the time and the battery stays charged.
@dznnf7
@dznnf7 Год назад
I've used LocusPro but I'm considering a change. Gaia seems pretty into the market and intent on partnering with the right companies. And yeah, a price increase will result. But maybe it'll be worth it.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
OsmAnd is well worth a look. Completely free and all the features you pay for in the premium version of Gaia.
@Steveqld
@Steveqld Год назад
I used to use navionics (boating gps mapper) then about 5 years ago moved onto REVER, free version ok and of coarse paid is better (I pay, it's not malachite per year) has a great playback of your trip and info of klms and Hieghts travelled etc
@PetterIvarsson
@PetterIvarsson Год назад
I am using a very rugged cheap phone from China (Oukitel) and it has worked perfect for 2 years on the bike and the MTB. Battery is 10.000 mha and lasts at least 14 hours when navigating.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
How is the screen in direct sunlight, Petter?
@PetterIvarsson
@PetterIvarsson Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure I say it is absolutely ok in my opinion. I can see the map and my uploaded track which in the most apps I use is orange or red. My usual apps is Guru or Locus. Gaia is awesome but I cant find how to lock the screen so the rain want actuate the buttons
@josephathacker59
@josephathacker59 Год назад
I've been using GAIA on an old iPhone 6 in a Lifeproof case for sometime now. The problem I run into most is the screen going to dark to see due to heat and/or direct sunlight (@90+). This has not happened on rides in cooler climates. I've purchased an old Kyocera DualForce Pro 2 after reading other posts relating similar issues and corrections but have yet to test it. I figure for $40 why not. In general using GAIA has not failed me and performs as good or better than dedicated GPS units my friends use. And I realize it could be operator error with the GPS units. GAIA is fairly easy to learn. Just make sure to download the maps, sync the app contents, and app upgrades while you have a Wifi connection. I also keep the phone plugged into power during the ride so i don't have to be concerned with battery longevity.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Is the screen automatically going dark in sunlight? There's a setting to ensure it stays at full brightness somewhere in the menu.
@josephathacker59
@josephathacker59 Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure yup, set to full brightness. The contrast or brightness returns after the iPhone cools down. But not always possible when you need it on hot days. And it slowly dims until it goes black as it heats up.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Gotcha. Australian summers are pretty bad for phones and GPS units in direct sunlight. I usually try to get them under the windscreen if possible and angled vertically as much as possible. It means I have to sit down to see the screen properly but haven't had one overheat yet.
@kee7678
@kee7678 6 месяцев назад
I have an old iPhone 6 I was thinking of using, but I'm in SoCal and ride in Baja, Mexico often...andn it gets HOTTTTT ! My iphone 6 idea may have just gone out the window now...@@josephathacker59
@ericcournoyer1595
@ericcournoyer1595 Год назад
I think for security alone its best to keep your phone in your jacket and use something else for GPS. Doesnt take a big crash to wreck your phone and then what ? Like you I use an old phone. Free is always a good way to go.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I agree, Eric. Many of us have an old phone lying around so why not use it as a GPS and just make sure you have no personal data on it in case you lose it.
@williamhudson3208
@williamhudson3208 Год назад
Pocket Earth Pro by far the best app.
@friesenwayne5320
@friesenwayne5320 Год назад
Gaia ❤
@KN-lq4zv
@KN-lq4zv Год назад
I just use google maps zoom in on the blue dot and I find my way out, it’s bailed me out of trouble a few times
@blacktopimages
@blacktopimages Год назад
Careful with the Ram mount, I was using one a couple years ago, after a rough patch at high speed, mine came loose, rubber straps came off, 2 of the 4 rubber plugs missing, and my phone gone... took me over an hour to find the phone, sitting in a puddle of muddy water...
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Yep, I've already noticed one of my rubber plugs has gone missing... not sure if I can superglue them on? The Garmin rubber straps are crap quality, I've had two break within months. I'm using heavy duty rubber brands for extra security.
@YouThinkAboutThis
@YouThinkAboutThis Год назад
I have the paid version it's worth it.
@jimmcbride6297
@jimmcbride6297 Год назад
I follow riders with phones and gps. At least we are always lost together.
@WillieJohnRidesAgain
@WillieJohnRidesAgain Год назад
Using my phone and paper maps but thinking of the old Garmin as an alt.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Never hurts to have an alt. I remember a few rides years back we were in really remote regions and our group relied just on my old Garmin car GPS. Could have got interesting if it failed!
@dimitrisathanasiou1521
@dimitrisathanasiou1521 Год назад
the car gps "hack" with a waterproof case might work really good
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I used the waterproof Garmin case with a cheap Garmin 1490 GPS for years. The case is a bit bulky though.
@dimitrisathanasiou1521
@dimitrisathanasiou1521 Год назад
@Cross Training Adventure thanks for the tip!
@usbsol
@usbsol Год назад
Ram Quickgrip, waterresistant phone and Osmand app 🤙
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
That Ram Quick-grip is well priced. rammount.com/products/ram-hol-pd3u
@robsonenduro3316
@robsonenduro3316 Год назад
I use gyroscope so I know how much to lean ;)
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
😆
@glennboy66
@glennboy66 Год назад
Im using Hema 4x4 explorer but it flattens the phone fast and even flattens phone battery with the wireless charger connected so it must be sucking more juice than the charger is putting in
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Damn. Normally any charger should be able to keep a phone well charged, Glenn.
@Steveqld
@Steveqld Год назад
using an old phone works great, I just havnt worked out a mount as for sure I'll break it as I drop my bike a lot on hill climbs etc 🤣
@Steveqld
@Steveqld Год назад
my mirrors , indicators and levers don't like the way I ride eh
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I think RAM mounts are pretty popular. They'll just swivel if hit hard. That's what I've been using for years for my old GPS units. Relatively expensive but cheap if you buy them secondhand.
@markgodfrey1847
@markgodfrey1847 Год назад
Have a garmin 700i..still trying to figure it out(
@keithclarke5137
@keithclarke5137 11 месяцев назад
I'm still using blue tape.
@jamesdenton3692
@jamesdenton3692 Год назад
Years ago "5" a company in the US was developing a "heads up display for street use . It was set up to give stuff like speed ,RPM and for some reason the gear you were in . I sent off a text and asked if and when a unit set up to display just a tilting arrow and distance to next waypoint could be ready for more offroadish use. The reply was good idea and we will work on it . Nothing since. I thought the plan would solve many issues , no glare ,no unnecessary info , no buttons to push ect. Deep delve could be proper map . More good than bad ?
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Interesting idea, James. The old KISS principle...
@PeterR0035
@PeterR0035 Год назад
Ryan F9 made a good video about this HUD thing. In short; there's a reason fighter pilots helmet's with head up display cost several 10.000$...
@jamesdenton3692
@jamesdenton3692 Год назад
@@PeterR0035 Have not seen that vijo ,will check it out .Thanks
@DualSPT
@DualSPT Год назад
My biggest issue using a smartphone map was it overheating in summer
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Good point. I'm thinking of remounting mine so it's shaded by the windscreen. Should help with the dim screen too.
@capoa666
@capoa666 Год назад
OsmAnd APP
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Going to try that next
@fullsendsurvival7804
@fullsendsurvival7804 Год назад
Hi
@denismourenas4876
@denismourenas4876 Год назад
Definitely a phone with either osmand or mapsme...
@danielbengtsson8122
@danielbengtsson8122 Год назад
Calimoto & Gaia
@Danish-ADV
@Danish-ADV 3 месяца назад
Can it uploade gpx files ?
@andrewfischer8126
@andrewfischer8126 Год назад
i just mark my Territory as i go than follow the scent trail back 🤣
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Are we talking spray or solids? 😆
@andrewfischer8126
@andrewfischer8126 Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure Solids of course, although depends on what i ate at the time. hahahaha
@cedricboivin9422
@cedricboivin9422 Год назад
I usually just get lost
@marcussmith4913
@marcussmith4913 Год назад
so extreme hypothetical here. Say I was out in the desert on a biking trip with my wife. I had this GPS on me. My wife accidently drove her bike off a cliff. Now it doesnt take a moron to know that I obviously called the police right away, but hypthetical here what if I didnt. Later if lets say someone came around asking questions. Would they be able to get say like a warant for this device and triangulate where Ive been biking and possibly the locations ive been. Tying me to the accidnet sight... where my wife ... accidentily drove off the side of a cliff.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Busted lol. The consumer grade of GPS locates you with 4 metres accuracy, Marcus. If you have a high quality GPS that is. My old car one is more like 3 to 20 metres. I might get away with it!
@iRA_mkb
@iRA_mkb Год назад
OsmAnd
@williamhudson3208
@williamhudson3208 Год назад
I bought a Garmin Zumo Xt. I would but buy another one. Basecamp and Explore is rubbish. Garmin are arrogant and do not want to help.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I haven't used their software for a few years now, but it certainly wasn't user-friendly lol. It had that typical feel of stuff designed by geeks who had no idea that we non-geeks would be trying to use it.
@lhurst9550
@lhurst9550 Год назад
The major issue with using a phone is it is not a GPS, but just a navigation system using cell towers for location. If one is truly in the "outback" then you got no signal. An actual global positioning system uses the USA military satellites for location. Of course, chances are if you are at a Starbucks then the phone will work just fine.
@dougjc2000
@dougjc2000 Год назад
Thats not correct, most phones have authentic gps capability & Assisted GPS (AGPS) to assist if needed.
@lhurst9550
@lhurst9550 Год назад
@@dougjc2000 Well I guess in that case one needs to know the capabilities of their equipment. www.theoutdoorlife.us/dedicated-gps-or-smartphone/ Don't worry, you will be all good in the starbucks parking lot.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
Yep, most phones actually have proper GPS built in. It's why I mentioned the ability to use apps like Gaia offline (once you've downloaded the maps).
@-TheRealChris
@-TheRealChris Год назад
@@lhurst9550 That article is really not very good, Most phones have proper GPS in them, at least here in Australia cell phone coverage is only available near major towns (there is none in the small town i live in) and the GPS works fine across the whole country (providing your device can see the sky). The important thing is that you have a proper offline GPS app with fully downloaded maps and offline functionality, if your going remote you should of course also have paper maps as a backup (good to have anyway even if your not going remote).
@phatpizza610
@phatpizza610 Год назад
Def some untruths being told in that article, just this weekend I used GPX Viewer pre loaded with maps into an old phone with no sim card , to follow a route I found, works great offline You can load an app like GPS Test into an Android phone to show how many Satellites you phone can see
@tasosan
@tasosan Год назад
GAIA is a Greek word for Earth ( ΓΑΙΑ) 😃 The useless info of the day
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure Год назад
I love useless info, Tasos! For example, some used to complain about the word 'television' because it mixed Latin and Greek in the one word. 😁
@tasosan
@tasosan Год назад
@@crosstrainingadventure 🤣🤣🤣
@gjavo6400
@gjavo6400 Год назад
OSMand with off-road map for .gpx tracks and Google Maps for on-road
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