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Free Odds Bet - How to Play Craps Pt. 8 

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@ColorUp
@ColorUp 7 лет назад
Laying odds may seem trickier than “taking” odds, but its really not. its just the exact opposite of the pass line/come odds bet. Its important you know the True odds of the numbers 6:5, 3:2, 2:1, when you do, its much easier! Short answer = always bet in multiples of $6 on the points 6 and 8 / multiples of $3 on the points 5 and 9 / multiples of $2 on the points of 4 and 10 What I describe below is for a $5 minimum table, and example I give is for 3,4,5x odds table Long answer= On the point of 6 or 8, you take odds of $5 to win $6 (6:5), so the opposite would be, lay $6 to win $5 (5:6), so when laying odds, always bet in multiples of $6 on the points 6 and 8. ($6, $12, $18, $24 $30) *note $30 would be the maximum- $30 would win $25 or 5x your $5 don't bet - $6 would be the minimum so that the payout is at least the table minimum of $5 On the point of 5 or 9, you take odds of $6 to win $9 (3:2), so the opposite would be to lay $9 to win $6(2:3), so when laying odds, always bet in multiples of $3 on the points 5 and 9 ($9, $12, $15, $18, ……up to $30) *note $30 would be the maximum- $30 would win $20 or 4x your $5 don't bet. I would guess most people bet $15 to win $10 or $30 to win $20 just to keep it simple. On the point of 4 or 10, you take odds of $5 to win $10 (2:1), so the opposite would be to lay $10 to win $5 (1:2), so when laying odds, always bet in multiples of $2 on the points of 4 and 10 ($10, $12,$14,$16, ……up to $30) *note $30 would be the max- $30 would win $15 or 3x your $5 don't bet On a 3,4,5x odds table, maximum lay odds bets are always 6x your flat don’t bet. If you always lay max odds and are at a 3,4,5x table, that makes it super simple, just multiply flat bet by 6. Hope this helps some, and stay tuned for a video :)
@ryangonzalez9664
@ryangonzalez9664 6 лет назад
Color Up based on this comment, the chart at 4:42 of the video is wrong then?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Ryan Gonzalez how so?
@ryangonzalez9664
@ryangonzalez9664 6 лет назад
Color Up wouldn't it be 6,12,18 and 24?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Ryan Gonzalez well video is about placing odds, so needs to be even amount on 5/9, so video is right. Pays 3:2 so any number divisible by 2 works and I show closest number to 2x3x4x odds. 6,12,18etc as you mentioned also works and maybe easier to remember. In comment I’m talking about laying odds which pays 2:3 so any even amount divisible by 3...6,12,18,24
@fabian8813
@fabian8813 5 лет назад
This is glorious, I've been looking for "casino football betting" for a while now, and I think this has helped. You ever tried - Dondiviar Tiylena Booster - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some incredible things about it and my colleague got amazing success with it.
@vinnyvigorito7499
@vinnyvigorito7499 11 месяцев назад
Your videos are so helpful. I learned the game just from your videos and live rolls and my first play of the game was successful. It felt good walking up to the table with confidence. I even bought a little roll out craps Mat for home play to teach friends and family and to play for fun 👍
@longleaf7582
@longleaf7582 3 года назад
I didn’t really understand the odds bets I was always betting 1:1 until I watched this earlier this month. It’s where I’ve been making the most cash. Thank you so much for the series, can’t wait to send your videos to my friends so they can get in on the action!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 3 года назад
It’s a great game, especially playing with friends
@rconary
@rconary 6 лет назад
The easiest way to remember to play even odds on the 5 and 9 is "if the number ends in an e, the odds have to be even"
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Rob Conary that’s a good one!
@ericboyles7208
@ericboyles7208 6 лет назад
Very informative. Thanks. Last night wasn't a good night for the everyone playing. I was the only one that started playing the DP, DC and was able to redeem myself of about 40 bucks., but that was a struggle. Took me 4 hours to get my money back and come out 10 bucks down and leave with some dignity
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Well, at least you made the switch and didn't just keep giving money to the casino
@krisaustin9189
@krisaustin9189 8 месяцев назад
Hey as a new player... Why not avoid the pass bet and just bet on the boxes ar the top once the point is established? Is this allowed? Do you get the true odds doing it this way? Appreciate any answers
@jmxtwiztid1
@jmxtwiztid1 5 лет назад
Brushing up again. I ended up making a table like you suggested. ....i'm headed to the casino today.... wish me luck! Thanks!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
Good luck on coloring up!!
@jmxtwiztid1
@jmxtwiztid1 5 лет назад
I got to ask to be colored up.. . But I moved to another table lol. I made a small $300 bankroll last 12 hours, I went to two casinos and couldnt find a table minimum lower than $15 unfortunately but I made it work by placing the point and pulling when it felt right. I was a slots player before your videos and scared of the tables. I had so much fun last night because I watched these. I made some really smart bets and some really dumb ones just to see.... like $50 on all the hard ways (paid off on hard 10 and hard 4!). I ended up leaving broke lol but it was great and I'm really looking forward to improving and taking a much larger bankroll. Thank you for all the advice!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
@@jmxtwiztid1 Thanks for the feedback, glad you had fun with the game and are trying things out! Better luck next time :)
@jmxtwiztid1
@jmxtwiztid1 5 лет назад
@@ColorUp I used to steam on twitch and know how hard doing streams and videos can be. Do you have a way set up for us to support you if we want? I know I had paid subscriptions on Twitch.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
Thanks for asking. Can support by purchasing through amazon link in description. I’m going to start live streams soon so can take tips(super chats) then
@rayhjr72
@rayhjr72 7 лет назад
Great video. Hope a lot of people watch this. I see plenty of people that dont know how to play the odds in the five and nine. They lose money even if they win. MAKE THE ODDS AN EVEN NUMBER WHEN THE POINT IS FIVE AND NINE PEOPLE!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 7 лет назад
Raymond Kapala thanks, common beginner mistake for sure
@PSpurgeonCubFan
@PSpurgeonCubFan 5 лет назад
thank you so much for helping me understand house edge, odds, and basic strategy
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
your welcome, thanks for watching
@anner5470
@anner5470 5 лет назад
You are the best craps 'explainer' on YT, thank you !!!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
Super kind words, thank you! Glad I can help explain the game to you
@JoeDoe2
@JoeDoe2 4 года назад
Are you a craps dealer?
@howellwong11
@howellwong11 6 лет назад
Craps is the only game I play and it has to be $5 minimum and at least 20X odds. This narrows it down to almost only Main Station Casino. So far, I am ahead of the house. I limit my losses to $700 and my winnings at $2000 for each Las Vegas visit. It is a game of pure chance, but it offers you almost an even bet with the house.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
You are very disciplined and that is a great key if you want any chance at winning.
@bengoss7446
@bengoss7446 7 лет назад
Hey Jeremy - thanks for the videos! I'm a pretty experienced blackjack player, but wanted to learn how to play craps with my friends. Your videos are very helpful. Up a few hundred playing big odds on crap-less craps last night. Might be a good subject for a future video. Keep up the good work!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 7 лет назад
+Ben Goss crapless craps is on my list of future videos for sure. I'm glad these videos were helpful to you!
@hawkinsmlh
@hawkinsmlh 4 года назад
Great video. Very impressive production quality.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
Thank you
@bucky90269
@bucky90269 5 лет назад
Great video as always. I always stumble when trying to explain the free odds to someone. Maybe I'll just show them this video in the future lol
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
I hope I did video in easy to understand way
@brucelee9346
@brucelee9346 4 года назад
so could this be considered a 3-2-1 odds (4-10 3chips 5-9 2chips 6-8 1chip) as i would have a low bank roll.
@trickshotbros6765
@trickshotbros6765 4 года назад
I'm trying to learn the payouts for my table I'm setting up at home. In this video I didn't see you explain the payout for the come and the odds on a come bet. There's was a clip of it being paid and looked like 1:1 for the come bet is the odds paid by the number it's on. So if it was a 5 it would pay 3:2. I think that's what it looked like in the video.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
You have it correct. Get my free beginner video course on me website, I have a video that covers payouts as well as a craps payout pdf. www.colorup.club
@derekmccollough2075
@derekmccollough2075 4 года назад
I love your videos! I've learned a lot from them and have a lot better understanding of the game! Im from Grand Junction so Im hoping to run into you at Black Hawk one of these days!!
@benjaminandrews3893
@benjaminandrews3893 3 года назад
Maybe I missed this..but instead of pressing a place bet, why wouldn't you always just put odds on those bets?
@jackknechtl2651
@jackknechtl2651 3 года назад
With come bet odds, does the odds you make depend on the point established or the number your come bet moves to For example, the puck is on 4, you place a come bet and that moves to the six. Can I now make an odds bet of ×5 (as that is what the 6 is most commonly allowed) or only ×3 as the puck is on 4 (and that is what the 4 is allowed)
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 3 года назад
You have it correct. It depends on the number the come bet moves to. But, it also depends on the table rules. Most commonly you may see a table that is 3x4x5x odds meaning a max of 3x on the 4/10 and 5x on 6/8. Many tables are different though, allowing 5x on any number, or 10x or maybe just 2x. Each table is different but is clearly marked.
@jasch697
@jasch697 2 года назад
Given the higher table minimums nowadays, it it possible for us low rollers to take odds at a fraction of the table minimum? For example: at a $15 min table, can I bet $15 on pass line and only take $10 in odds? Love the vids!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 2 года назад
That is going to depend on local casino, but I believe typically yes
@JoeDoe2
@JoeDoe2 4 года назад
At 5:50, I don't see $6 in winnings on the pass line. I only see $5. Shouldn't there be a $1 chip on top of the $5 chip? And I don't understand how the house edge is eliminated completely if the house edge only gets reduced, like the frame shows at 2:57. Perhaps I misunderstood and the house edge never gets eliminated completely. I thought the idea was that it was the best bet on the table cause of no house edge. I may be confusing 'true odds' with 'house edge' and don't even realize it. And I'm not used to the word 'odds' as it relates to the amount bet. For example, if I make an odds bet of $6 instead of $5, that's consider 'even odds.' I only see it as an even number dollar amount that's been bet, not taking into consideration any 'odds' that apply to rolling a certain number on the dice. It seems like the word 'odds' is used in more than one context, depending on what's being discussed, either the roll of the dice, or the amount of money that's bet. Is that right?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
Good questions. at 5:50 the pass line bet is $5 and the odds bet is $25. These are two different distinct bets. The pass line always gets paid at 1:1 so $5 bet wins $5. the odds bet gets paid 6:5 or $6 for every $5 bet, in the example $25 bet gets paid $30. Again knowing they are two distinct bets, the house edge question should be cleared up. The pass line bet has a house edge of 1.4% but the odds bet is 0% and is paid fairly for the chance of rolling the number. The house edge can never be completely eliminated because you always have to pay a percentage to play the pass line, but the more additional money you bet with the additional odds bet at 0%, the overall combined house edge goes down. As far as the term "odds" it is used in different context. The chance or "odds" of rolling a 7 is six times out of every 36 rolls or 1 in 6 chance. This is the odds of rolling a seven. They call the additional bet made behind the pass line an "odds" bet because it pays at the true odds of rolling the number. For instance, there are 6 ways to roll a 7 and 3 ways to roll a 10. So the odds of rolling a 10 vs a 7 is 6 to 3, or reduced is 2 to 1 (2:1) So when you make an "odds" bet on the number 10 you get paid 2:1 or true odds, thus the name "odds" bet. Hope this helps some. You can check out my free beginners course on my website, that builds a good foundation and may help. www.colorup.club
@Lei7ch
@Lei7ch 2 года назад
Wouldn't placing pass odds on the 6 and 8 ONLY be better than placing pass odds on the 4,10 and 9 as well as the 6 and 8?
@Lei7ch
@Lei7ch 2 года назад
Bet the pass every time, but only add odds on the 6 and 8 point.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 2 года назад
If 6 and 8 points are the only points that roll, that would be correct. The other numbers pay better but statistically harder to roll. You never know, it’s gambling.
@hottrizzle
@hottrizzle 3 года назад
Thanks for the vid.... I think I finally understand the odds bet..
@DaleMetzger
@DaleMetzger Месяц назад
What’s the difference of just putting the money on the number?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 28 дней назад
Check out my videos on place bets
@timemage88x13
@timemage88x13 3 года назад
So a video game brought me here. However i can only bet equal to the origial bet. So my queston is is it still worth it?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 3 года назад
Yes, 1x odds which is equal to your original bet is still a very good bet.
@TehJew22
@TehJew22 7 лет назад
While the Hard Ways are sucker bets, the biggest sucker bet is not betting the Free Odds.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 7 лет назад
+TehJew22 ha, good point!
@jrr7031
@jrr7031 6 лет назад
TehJew22 I use them to hedge if I want to "Lay" against the 4,5 or 10. And I'll put them out there only after 3 rolls with no point hit, only on other players rolls.
@UltimateTexasHoldemGuru
@UltimateTexasHoldemGuru 6 лет назад
Once the point is established, a DP bets pays even money and the bettor has the advantage. Taking odds lowers the bettors edge
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Laying odds on a DP does not lower the betters edge, it lowers the house edge even more. Laying odds is a statistically fair bet with zero house edge. The don’t pass has a 1.36% edge, so as you lay more odds the combined house edge average decreases. It does not increase.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
First, I would like to thank you for your willingness to comment and have/add to the discussions here on ColorUp, I really appreciate your involvement, and you watching. You were correct and I was incorrect to say “laying odds does not lower the betters edge” yes, technically the player edge as a percentage, drops by making the odds bet. Maybe you do lay odds, and you were just making a correct point that the betters edge technically lowers, you haven't said yet. What I was disagreeing with is the implication that laying odds after the DP is a bad idea or bad bet. There is a reason you have to lay 2:1 on the (4/10) and that’s because you are twice as likely to win. The fact is, the casino pays this bet fairly thus the 0% casino edge and the combined casino edge over the player is lowered. If you could some how skip the DP, and only lay odds, that would be a perfect situation. Once you have made it past the come out roll, you have already paid the casinos price of admission to play (casino edge), the additional odds bet is at 0% cost. So while yes, laying odds does not improve your chance of winning ("the betters edge" ) you get to add more to your bet at no additional expense. If you don't lay odds, I would love to play with you, you take the risk on the DP bet, after safely past come out, I would gladly lay the odds on your bet and make bets at 0% casino edge. I like what the Wizard of Odds, Mike Shackelford says about it, “It only makes sense for the player to make the bet with the lowest house edge. Refusing the odds in craps to bet on something else instead is like refusing a free coffee refill in a restaurant and instead buying another cup.”
@gregpodrasky110
@gregpodrasky110 3 года назад
What size chips you use?
@havefun3532
@havefun3532 6 лет назад
great video! very well explained.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Have Fun thanks for watching and the nice comments
@davemuller7969
@davemuller7969 7 лет назад
Hi Jeremy, great series of helpful video's. A video on "lay odds" 1 - 6x would be great as well as more strategies. Keep up the good work.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 7 лет назад
Dave Muller Thanks for the nice words Dave. My latest video used 3,4,5x lay odds - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xQwBzszVLz0.html but I'm sure I will make other videos laying single and double odds as well.
@timsmith3866
@timsmith3866 7 лет назад
well said Dave! I played a week ago and the one time I spaced out placing my odds is when I won... sure felt like a sucker lol
@kaleiapuno
@kaleiapuno 4 года назад
Can you bet odds on a point number without a pass line bet?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
No, that is how the casino always maintains an advantage. If you could just bet odds on the number that would be a perfectly fair 50/50 game and the casino is there to make money, not play fair.
@dylwicks3288
@dylwicks3288 5 лет назад
where can you buy chips like that? and how much (ish) are they?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
I buy from amazon, called nexgen pro classic about 25 cents per chip pretty good for a "budget" chip amzn.to/31KPCkr
@Killso420
@Killso420 4 года назад
Can you play these odds bets on the don't pass?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
Yes, it’s called “laying odds” all the numbers are reversed. You bet more to win back less.
@wiseman4160
@wiseman4160 2 года назад
Do you avoid playing odds when the point is 4 or 10?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 2 года назад
No, odds always pay fair to risk taking. You get paid a great 2:1 for your bet, but that’s because you are are 2:1 underdog
@wiseman4160
@wiseman4160 2 года назад
@@ColorUp Thanks again you seem like a cool 😎 person
@randyj420
@randyj420 3 года назад
Great vids - thanks so much.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 3 года назад
appreciate you watching,
@stevecamarano7146
@stevecamarano7146 2 года назад
TYVM!!! GREAT VID!!!
@maxkelter3561
@maxkelter3561 4 года назад
Wouldn't 2x the odds on the five and nine point numbers be be $12 cuz 1x odds is $6 ? Why couldn't you bet $8 on the 5 and 9 for a 2x odds bet. That comes out to a whole number with no change. Seems too simple am I right?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
So the 5 and 9 get paid 3:2 so any multiple of $2 will work, you just want it to be Even amount. 1x odds is $5, but need to add extra dollar to make even, thus the $6. 2x odds would be $10. and the 3:2 payoff would be $15. you certainly good do $8 or $12, but $12 payoff would be $18, just not as clean as it would be 3 red chips and 3 white chips vs just 3 red chips on the $15 payoff and is just easier for the dealer. But it doesn't really matter. Any multiple of $2 will work.
@ThePaultard
@ThePaultard 6 лет назад
That was helpful. Thanks Toby!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Richard Hilleary glad to help
@richardluna8538
@richardluna8538 6 лет назад
Awesome videos learning alot.
@ericgonzalez6792
@ericgonzalez6792 5 лет назад
This was helpful thank you!!!
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
awesome, glad to help
@llama7206
@llama7206 6 лет назад
youre awesome man keep it up. subscribed
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Thanks for watching, I'll keep it up as long as I have viewers, and comments coming in.
@garysharp8871
@garysharp8871 5 лет назад
However much you bet on your odds, the house still has a advantage and the last time I checked a mathematical advantage means Money for the house
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
Yes, check out my video about max odds. By the way, thanks for binge watching my vids and leaving comments ha :)
@jonathanhains814
@jonathanhains814 6 лет назад
"Free Odds" is a marketing term pushed by casinos that make you think you are getting something for free. Of course the cost is making a contract bet. A more appropriate term would be "Straight Odds" or "True Odds."
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Jonathan Hains ok
@wiseman4160
@wiseman4160 2 года назад
Jonathan Hains if I was to guess the casino probably really enjoys when players play true odds, especially when the point is 4 or 10 which has the highest house edge for the casino, compared to 6 or 8 which don't have as high of a house edge. Because 6 and 8 there is 5 ways you can roll those numbers vs 4 or 10 only 3 ways to roll those numbers.
@jonathanhains814
@jonathanhains814 2 года назад
@@wiseman4160 The casino wants the most number of chips on the table it can get. It's pretty much indifferent as to where you put your odds bets.
@wiseman4160
@wiseman4160 2 года назад
@@jonathanhains814 Your probably right, but I'll watch everyone else play odds on the 4 or 10.
@steelerbob1383
@steelerbob1383 5 лет назад
Great vid. Thanks.
@jasoncarby4780
@jasoncarby4780 4 года назад
I told a colleague to watch ur vids Hes gonna learn craps
@danjones2164
@danjones2164 4 года назад
So what you are telling me is that I’m not allowed to take $9 odds on the 4/10
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
No? You can put any amount of odds on 4/10. It pays 2:1 or double what you bet.
@michaelmendillo4614
@michaelmendillo4614 6 лет назад
God I am dumb,,,,need to watch again ! Ugh !!!!!
@travim4314
@travim4314 6 лет назад
Michael Mendillo I think I'm watching for the 4th time already.
@michaelmendillo4614
@michaelmendillo4614 6 лет назад
Travi M Lol Travi !!! At least I am not the only one, you really need to know this stuff well ! It's a very fast game at the casino, if you don't know this stuff well, your in trouble ! I actually had a guy next to me one night, correct the dealer on my bet ! I was shorted and didn't even know ! Good luck my friend ! 😁🖒
@solarpolar666
@solarpolar666 6 лет назад
Jeremy is a really good boi
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
Thanks
@lindabeal5353
@lindabeal5353 4 года назад
LOVE THS VIDEO.
@thomas88855
@thomas88855 6 лет назад
Thank You :)
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
Thomas Baird you’re welcome, thanks for watching!
@ryannieto313
@ryannieto313 3 года назад
Youre a legend
@go.gators
@go.gators 6 лет назад
Ty
@bobcrane2720
@bobcrane2720 4 года назад
They're "free" if your neighbor lets you place them behind his bet.
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
I’ve seen the casino not allow that, but yes, the perfect way to play the game, odds behind someone else bet
@robertmitchell8867
@robertmitchell8867 5 лет назад
This is probably the dumbest question of the week? But why is there a come box? U don’t win on it and it just places your $ on a roll out number? Wouldn’t it be quicker to place the money yourself? I really don’t get it! 🤯
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
No questions are dumb. It does win, 7-11, it works exactly like the pass line but in the middle of the game.
@SamboDestroyer
@SamboDestroyer 3 года назад
👍🏾
@GaMeAh0LiC
@GaMeAh0LiC Год назад
You didn't explain how you win the bet lol. You just explained payouts if you win, but not the win condition
@ColorUp
@ColorUp Год назад
Huh. Well you win bet by rolling the point number that your pass line or come bet is on.
@GaMeAh0LiC
@GaMeAh0LiC Год назад
@@ColorUp thanks! What's the difference between this bet and just betting on the number that was rolled? Ie. If a 4 was rolled and opened up the table, what's the difference between betting on 4 or this bet behind the line?
@ColorUp
@ColorUp Год назад
@@GaMeAh0LiC no difference, it’s just an additional bet on the number. The advantage is it pays fair true odds. No other casino bet pays fair true odds, every other bet in casino, they keep a small percentage back
@saladking2370
@saladking2370 4 года назад
No even numbers end with "E"
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
You add even amount of odds on numbers that end with E - five and nine. Or “even odds on the odd numbers”
@saladking2370
@saladking2370 4 года назад
@@ColorUp Yes. Wow that was a quick reply!
@bluenoteone
@bluenoteone 4 года назад
I don't understand what there was in this vid that called for any thumbs down let alone 16. Go figure
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 4 года назад
Who knows...could be sound of my voice? :) thanks for watching
@devinespinoza5529
@devinespinoza5529 5 лет назад
Fuck its like a new language for me
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 5 лет назад
anyone can learn
@devinespinoza5529
@devinespinoza5529 5 лет назад
@@ColorUp i was doin $5 the field and double on 5, 6, and 8 but sometimes the 7 shows up to early. The first time i did that i made $400 with only $20 do
@holymoly8718
@holymoly8718 6 лет назад
"craps dealers don't deal with small change" wrong
@ColorUp
@ColorUp 6 лет назад
holy moly it’s pretty uncommon, but some joints deal with quarters, it was a generalized statement
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