The most important thing in this is that we should, with all our hearts, have yaqeen that this life(test) is fair for each and every soul because its against Allahs atributes to make it anything but fair.
@@hassankhan155 Hope i didnt sound arrogant but thats just how i feel about or understand this question. I guess perspective shapes the way we think......
Verse 28 of Surah Al-An'am was mentioned in the beginning. Here are verses 27-28: وَلَوْ تَرَىٰٓ إِذْ وُقِفُوا۟ عَلَى ٱلنَّارِ فَقَالُوا۟ يَـٰلَيْتَنَا نُرَدُّ وَلَا نُكَذِّبَ بِـَٔايَـٰتِ رَبِّنَا وَنَكُونَ مِنَ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ If only you could see when they will be detained before the Fire! They will cry, “Oh! If only we could be sent back, we would never deny the signs of our Lord and we would ˹surely˺ be of the believers.” بَلْ بَدَا لَهُم مَّا كَانُوا۟ يُخْفُونَ مِن قَبْلُ ۖ وَلَوْ رُدُّوا۟ لَعَادُوا۟ لِمَا نُهُوا۟ عَنْهُ وَإِنَّهُمْ لَكَـٰذِبُونَ But no! ˹They only say this˺ because the truth they used to hide will become all too clear to them. Even if they were to be sent back, they would certainly revert to what they were forbidden. Indeed they are liars! [Quran 6:28]
So is human will independant or from Gods will? Can humans decide something so that we are responsible for the act and lying about wanting to go back change our original decisions? Me, personally.... I like to just think about the delayed choice quantum erase experiment.... Which seems to show "retro causality"... Which make all of this stuff about being responsible for our actions more palletable ..... It's like we have already done our actions and outcome is known .... And hence we get what we deserve in this world sometimes and definitely in the next
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25:40 Hamzah's response is spot on. Believing to Qadha and qadr is for us to acknowledge the divinity of Allah and humble ourselves in front of Allah while believing in free will is for us to always give our best in our actions.
Actually where these guys went wrong was the moment they started to entertain the question, they may have thought they have closed one door of problems/doubts..... But they opened up a thousand more with their philosophical ramblings.... None 9f what they said gave contentment to the heart, rather it fueled further doubts. The hadith says when qadr is mentioned, then withold (on the topic). This is one of those issues where you just believe, lile a junior school kid and not go into depth... Definitely not in the open to prove how smart you are.
@@srnp0007 you are non muslim because of WILL OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY and i am muslim because of WILL OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY. you dont choose to be non muslim and i dont choose to be muslim. And this is exactly how Allah Almighty made us. And we should be happy even if Allah Almighty put us in hell
May Allah reward brothers Hijab and Hamza a billion trillion rewards for this talk, I feel so much better today about this matter I have been grappling with for ages
Salam Alaykum Brothers and Sisters and listeners what an excellent discussion and a necessary accommodation for good company! May Allah have mercy on us and guide us to better ways Inshallah!
Much needed discussion on the topic, every now and then we have an athiest or agnostic posing this question. Jazakh Allah Khair learned a lot from this dicsussion.
@@jivaji2028 The trinity doesn't make sense to me either. The only way I can explain it is: life is a maze in which a human being has the choice to take whatever route to the exit. God can see above this maze and has knowledge of which route you will take. God knows what you will you do and where your choices will take you
Ramadan al bouty Explained it thoroughly. The body which is earthly, falls into what they say determinism. But the soul is something mysterious no one knows except Allah. So when soul and body joins together they form nafs which makes decisions with the help of mind. So there is particular element(ruh) of whole argument is something which we dont have enough data, which leads to all sorts of conclusions and still we will fall into confusion. Indeed, there is transcendent element in human which unexplained. Best way is to say Allah knows best and he wrongs no one. All people earn for their nafs.
I have to admit i do like this answer... Even though it is all speculation.... And also bit like "god of the gaps".... This feels like "conciousness of the gaps"..... Where because we dont understand human mind/conciousness we can put any other mystery down to it
Our ignorance (Human limitation) of His decree and His knowledge (which is a part of unseen) about our predestination or our future actions and events is the key factor that breaks the so called contradiction of our human attribute of will with our predestination. We can't know our predestination until the event happens or until we commit the action.
The thing about qadar and free will is that Allah knows everything past present and future but we don’t that is where free will which Allah has given us comes in to see what choices we make for ourselves knowing the two paths which Allah has laid out for us as human via the Messengers and Revelations.
An example that I hear is a video game with alternative endings. *No matter what choice you make the Creator already knew the outcome and encoded the ending into the game.* The only thing is that the video game example doesn’t account for the many possibilities.
As Ust.Hamza said, putting aside the philosophical discussions regarding this topic, why is it that we’ve assumed in the first place that Allah swt kept this a mystery to us which can be solved through philosophical thinking To me that shows the arrogance of the human being, wanting to know how everything works, and in this case how Allah swt “operates” Whereas the wisdom of keeping this a mystery was beautifully outlined by Ust.Hamza, and that is probably the most empowering words you can tell a human being on this earth In cases like these, the spiritual aspect of Islam really do supersede any intellectual discussion surrounding this topic! Alhamdulilah ❤️
Kaaf ha ya ayeen suwad, alif laam meem, all of these things are example that no matter what we do, no matter how much we try and even if we try for 1400 years and even then we wont decipher their meanings.. Why?? Because Allah Almighty didnt gave us permission. It was WILL of Allah Almighty
There are things within your choice range, then there are things outside of your choice range and you must make a decision on how to react to that. You are predestined certain tools in order to be capable of being able to do this task, these tools can be taken away
And you do not will except that Allah wills. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. Quran [76:30] What you can will outside Allahs will? if that happens Allah isnt controling everything nor did he predestined everything..
Predestination and Free Will are at odds with each other, you're not really free if you're falling into a plan that's set out for you. One thing to keep in mind, is that the future doesn't exist in a linear sense. You can't fast ward to see what you're going to do. Your actions aren't made until you choose them. A lot of paradoxes involved in this. Consciousness makes this more complicated.
There is no plan that's set out for you. You have the freedom to choose and Allah has the knowledge of your future choices. Your Qadr is not a plan that is set out for you outside your will. Your Qadr is all the choices you will make based on your free will. It's not really that complicated: if Allah knows everything, and he writes it down in form of Qadr, that simply means that He knows what you will do before you do it. It's not that He made the choices for you. You did, you always have.
The difference between free will and predestination is you have a choice in free will. You make a certain choice it translates to certain outcome that Allah already knew. Predestination is when you have no choice, it's been determined. The rain falling is predestined, (kada). Your choice not eat today for example is free will (kadar). You can't blame Allah's infinite knowledge for the choice you made. He Knows, but you chose! Allah Alam!
@@srnp0007 Its not a blind faith now can you at least explore this religion and its believers spirituality. Because you seem arrogant, be humble to God and sincerely ask for guidance. Because until you believe God you will have no spirituality.
@@srnp0007 I’m sorry for calling you arrogant forgive me but there is a whole science on checking the authenticity of the Quran and the sun shining. In the Quran Allah swt that He will protect the Quran from corruption . But as for Hadith that is not stated.
How can free will and determinism occur at the same time or exist simultaneously? 1. We can analyze this scientifically and come to the realization that some things are entirely deterministic according to the laws of physics and these usually deal with things on the macroscopic scale whereas on the quantum scale according to physics everything is highly probablistic and this of course is in the microscopic scale or the subatomic realm. 2. Analyzing it from micro Quantum particles such as quarks and bosons appear to abide by no known deterministic laws instead they seemed to engage in behavior that is highly probablistic and appears to be independent 3. Where on the macroscopic scale the known forces of physics such as gravity and electro magnetism a nd the weak and strong nuclear forces abide by deterministic a well known set of laws that do not falter and are absolute Therefore the physics and the laws of the universe as we can percieve on the macro scale are dependent upon physics and abide by them. 4. To explain in terms of Islam free will is highly probabilistic and exist on the human or quantum scale as compared to the heavenly scale which is everything is deterministic the human miracle itself is the composition of both realms Ard and Samawati or earth and heaven the the ability and the meeting point between the quantum realm and the macro where they meet inside the soul of the human 5. Further scientific evidence of this can be seen clearly through the phenomenon of waveform or wave function collapse which is highly indicative of the quantum nature of consciousness 6. Only Allah s.w.t is neccessary or independent or absolute everything else in creation all creatures including humans are contingent upon Allah s.w.t., dependent and relative to Allah s.w.t. we are always the means and Allah hu Haqq is the ends or final destination upon him we rely and to him we shall return 7. Bismillahi Tawwakkultu Allahlahi La hawla wa quwwata illah billah al Ali al Azim.
Firas zahabi explained determinism vs free will perfectly on the JRE podcast when he gave the analogy of the two parallel moving trains to each other. i believe that the best analogy for this topic is the video games cuz in a video game you have maybe 1 or 2 or more endings based on the choices you make in the game so it gives you the feeling that you have a choice to be made to choose the right ending but the fact remains that your choices in the game can't lead you to a different ending other than the endings that were preprogrammed in the game before you even bought it so in that case your "choices" are just an illusionary tool gave to make you play the game and choose one of the endings that was already predestined in the game. so do in life your "illusion of choice" is given to you just to choose one of the predestined endings which are heaven or hell but because you have no control over the circumstances that determine your choices you can't choose a different outcome other than these 2 so free will as an absolute concept doesn't exist you can only say the illusion of freewill but not freewill
In Video game one may win or lose based on one's choices. In case of Islamic free will you end is fixed, so one does not have the choice to change one's end.
Allah willed everything around us. I am in London via train is the Will of Allah and He willed it to give me choices and He willed it that I am responsible for my own choices.
At the end of the day we have to submit our intellect about Qadr matter, and that is Islam about, is to admit you are weak before Allah, and that your intelligent have limitations.
If you are gonna go with determinism you fail to answer and explain freewill and if you are gonna go with freewill ,you will fail to answer and explain the qadr (the divine decree) You need to believe that you have free will plus that qadr is there , Thats the best aming the three
We only have freewill to decide which path we want to choose. But its Will Allah Almighty that will decide whether the door to that path be opened or not. If we had free will, then we would have colonized entire solar system, and would have done so much. But we only achieve by Will of Allah Almighty
@@jivaji2028 lol, why r u gyys are not understanding the reality. May Allah guide us all, Ameen! On the day of judgment u will understand what actually the Qur'an's message is and u will see the reality of this world and everything. But i pray u be guided before the End of this world and u be in Jannah. May be u can be a better muslim than me. ❤️
@@jivaji2028 Islam has a better and strong proofs of being a true religion so is the proof Qur'an being a divine book. Which is not he case with Christianity and Bible. The basic principle of ur religion is messed up The Trinity, at least we don't have any doubts regarding Tawheed. But some very well learned Christians get confused if asked some questions on Trinity. Destiny is the last pillar. So at least Allah, angels, messengers/prophets, divine books and the last day are proven.☺️
@@jivaji2028 How can free will and determinism occur at the same time or exist simultaneously? 1. We can analyze this scientifically and come to the realization that some things are entirely deterministic according to the laws of physics and these usually deal with things on the macroscopic scale whereas on the quantum scale according to physics everything is highly probablistic and this of course is in the microscopic scale or the subatomic realm. 2. Analyzing it from micro Quantum particles such as quarks and bosons appear to abide by no known deterministic laws instead they seemed to engage in behavior that is highly probablistic and appears to be independent 3. Where on the macroscopic scale the known forces of physics such as gravity and electro magnetism a nd the weak and strong nuclear forces abide by deterministic a well known set of laws that do not falter and are absolute Therefore the physics and the laws of the universe as we can percieve on the macro scale are dependent upon physics and abide by them. 4. To explain in terms of Islam free will is highly probabilistic and exist on the human or quantum scale as compared to the heavenly scale which is everything is deterministic the human miracle itself is the composition of both realms Ard and Samawati or earth and heaven the the ability and the meeting point between the quantum realm and the macro where they meet inside the soul of the human 5. Further scientific evidence of this can be seen clearly through the phenomenon of waveform or wave function collapse which is highly indicative of the quantum nature of consciousness 6. Only Allah s.w.t is neccessary or independent or absolute everything else in creation all creatures including humans are contingent upon Allah s.w.t., dependent and relative to Allah s.w.t. we are always the means and Allah hu Haqq is the ends or final destination upon him we rely and to him we shall return 7. Bismillahi Tawwakkultu Allahlahi La hawla wa quwwata illah billah al Ali al Azim.
@@godisonegodhaswon5957 How can you reconcile this logical paradox( free will and destination) and Trinity when the Christians can use the same excuse that it is beyond our human mind?
This is the best explenation I got somewhere: We do have free will. We do have the freedom to choose. Allahs knowledge about our future choices does not take away out freedom to choose. It simply means that Allah is all knowing as He should be, otherwise the concept of God would fall apart (if He did not know everything). So Allah does not make the choice for you. He simply KNOWS about your choices which is Qadr. So it's not like you make choices based on what is written in your qadr, no. You make choices out of free will, Allah already knows what you are going to do because of his knowledge and puts it in your Qadr BEFORE you even made the choice. So it has always been you, no one made the choices for you. You did.
The problem with this analogy is that your choices are still pre-destined because Allah s.w.t already knows them so they are not really free-will in that sense. But I get what you’re trying to say though. We just have to accept that our human mind isn’t capable enough of comprehending it.
@@loftilhan4868 him knowing them doesn't mean they are predestined. Because its our choice what we choose to do. Pre -destiny means he knows what we will do. Not he made the choice for us.
brother hijab doesn't understand that when we say the " illusion of free will" doesn't mean that freewill doesn't exist but we mean that freewill as an absolute concept for humans doesn't exist. only God can have perfect and absolute free will. if your free will was 100% true /perfect then it means you can oppose god's will which is impossible also your sense of freewill doesn't exist in the material word its only in your inner consciousness which is an illusion because it doesn't exist in the physical realm . you can only argue from a logical standpoint about the existence of freewill but you can't possibly argue about determinism cuz its a given while freewill is not
Nice video... this makes me think again that a Muslim is a person submitting the free will to Allah. Further, free will in itself is not amazingly good rather bad as without it we would be angels and with it we face the waswasa of Shaitaan ... To be on a safer side we submit our free will to Allah ... Sukhar Allah that makes us a Muslim .. SubhaanAllah The question is what if we had the free will without the waswasa of shaitaan?
Let me tell you something about 'Waswasa' You think that the shaitaan makes you do bad things but the only he does is to manipulate you, for example, he gives you reasons to sin, he makes you forget Allah, he tells you that You can repent after sinning and there are many other ways, The desire to sin is within us, he just kind of give pushes you or makes you do it.
May I get a time stamp for this in the stream? For anyone wondering, it’s a Sapience Institute stream from 3 months ago titled Livestream with Mohammed Hijab. Timestamp is 18:30.
Simple. Human has free will, which is, a knowledge of a person for wanting to execute an action A or action B. Qadha and Qadr simply means that, Allah will conduct/execute what Allah wanted since azaliyyah. The principle are: 1) Allah creates a ilm (knowledge) in a person which implies the desire of doing this and that, along with the consequences of that particular of doing so. 2) Then Allah creates an irodah to that person (preference/wanting) to do that action. 3) Then Allah moves the person according to what you knew and desired to do (or as Allah creates your knowledge and your irodah upon it). So the free will is lied upon the knowledge that youre able to want and do this and not that. Remember, Allah creates you and what you're do. and Everything is the will of Allah, what Allah dont want, will not happen. So human, is majbur haqiqotan if we looks into that Allah creates all, and mukhtar zohiron, if we factor out Allah from that equation.
Predestination is reality!!! Allah Almighty is in complete control. Allah Almighty has written everything in the preserved tablet. Only thing which we humans can do, is to decide which way we can go. But its Allah Almighty which will open the door to that direction. Allah Almighty created us, so He knows whether we are worth to be in paradise or we should be in hell. Allah Almighty knows everything and He is in control of everything. Its us humans, that think of our selves as something very big. We think we can change the world with our hands. We humans are so arrogant.
i like how you portrayed this a lot of people will not understand this the consciousness and thoughts are our own your thoughts were not written allah has already seen everything of what you chose he didn't make you choose what you were gonna do you did that but the casual chain is complete and God has seen everything that we have already done. but if He put us in Hell or heaven you will wonder why you r there how you got there this is the first person expeirence that Allah has given us it is for us to realize what we have done to get there.
Just as Quantum mechanics and General relativity can exist at the same time. Both determinism and free will have it's implications on our daily lives same as both Quantum mechanics and general relativity are being used in our daily lives even though these two theories can never be able to reconcile.
The sea analogy from the Holy Quran and how there is a barrier between the 2 seas that they cannot cross this is the reason why Al Khadr does not possess the knowledge that Prophet Musa a.s. does and vice versa but Subhan Allah Hu Haqq is the only one to possesses all knowledge so whether or not we have free will here on the micro scale or whether or not everything else is predetermined on the macro scale Allah s.w.t. is aware of everything that is occurring and all possible occurrences any possible choice that could be made at any possible point in time by any being is already known that does not preclude the freewill possibility of the being exercising it's free choice on the micro scale
ali bin abi talib (r) was once asked by a guy about that and he asked the guy while standing to lift his right leg then asked him while his leg is stil in air to lift his left he said İ cant he said in betweeen
From my understanding, It's 2 sides of the same coin and is a matter of perpective. Your actions from your perspective are your own free will. But your actions from someone else's perspective is qadr.
But the key is we don't know the future and our destiny, so by that we cannot make argument about it in the day of judgment, because we don't know the future.
Even in our days efforts are made to "know" the future rather than predict it. And theoretically, if u know all the factors and parameters affecting a certain entity, u will definitely know what will this entity undergo in the near future. The one who designed the model (our world) is definitely aware of all factors affecting the model as He determined the factors himself. And so definitely He knows how each component of this model will react.
I have a massive issue with Muslims preaching ignorance out of laziness. The quran tells us to reflect, that means to seek knowledge, to come to an understanding and then when you find truth, you can fall back on the qadr of Allah. But to straight up say "bro just trust man" because you're too lazy to question and seek knowledge, you paint out Muslims as blind and ignorant followers.
Imán comes from knowledge. It doesn't just come out of nowhere. What the brother is doing, is correct. He is seeking knowledge, then will come the imán.
@@AllTruthRevealed Hello brother, I have a question. Can we use the same logic regarding the trinity in that it is beyond our human mind? Because that is what our brothers in the video is saying for our doctrine so why can’t the Christians say the same? Salam alaykum and waiting for your response thank you.
Asalam o alaykum brothers! about Qadar isn’t it more appropriate to say that Allah told the pen to write what’s going to happen rather then telling the pen to write what needs to happen in that case the pen wrote what’s going to happen after we decide out of our free will. This eliminates the objections and seems closer to what i read so far. Whats your opinion?
In a nutshell, human has free will which is "knowing that you can choose to do this or that" Allah gives you that knowledge and makes you think you can do this and that. And you will not feel that youre being force by Allah to do this and that. Thats all.
I think the same too... but the dilemma is that, even though everything is at Allah's will, there is judgement day. Why human have to be responsible for anything that Allah does? I have no answer for this.
Predestination and freewill are logically contradictory it's like a square circle. Talking nonsense and saying I don't understand how it's not a contradiction is not a response. It needs to be answered or it will destroy Islam. Its an internal logical contradiction.
@@rkinczelAs demonstrated in the video, this question cannot be answered by us, we have the pixel and god has the picture. What’s illogical, however, is that we talk about it to address an issue that we don’t, and never will, have enough information about it. Hence, it’s okay to have two of them seem right, even though they seem contradictory. We just don’t know how they work together. We should use our intellect to resolve other issues that are possible for our minds to grasp unlike this issue.
@@al7bndgsh706 the issue is you have enough information that it is contradiction. If you say God is omnipotent and then say he is not omnipotent you don't need to know anymore to know it's contradiction. In this case it's either everything is devinely willed and predestined. Which is stated directly and also stated directly that we have free will and all our actions are not predetermined. There is no mystery the two realities cannot exist simultaneously. It's not a lack of information it is simply contradiction.
@@al7bndgsh706 what if Christians said that trinity is not a contradiction but that we just dont undrrstand it? You see how that sounds? You are excusing the contradiction in qadr and free will to hold on to your belief, which is understandable.
Consider the scenario presented by Nouman Ali Khan: Imagine an individual hosting a grand event and preparing two distinct guest lists. Guest List A: This is a confidential list on which the host jots down names of individuals he anticipates will attend. Those named remain unaware of their inclusion. Guest List B: This is an open list, but a set of tasks (or deeds) must be accomplished by individuals to earn a spot on it. As the event’s commencement approaches, a revealing moment unfolds. Astonishingly, every individual on the confidential Guest List A has also completed the necessary tasks to appear on Guest List B. This doesn’t imply that the attendees lacked the freedom to complete the tasks. Rather, the host’s profound understanding of them enabled him to foresee their actions accurately.
@@sambuwalda1330 I’m aware, however knowing what’s going to happen leaves no room for choice. Being all knowing is in direct conflict with free will meaning they cannot both be true. This means that Allah cannot exist as described in the Quran which calls the entire Quran into question. If everyone from list A will make it to list B because Allah knows they will then can people from list A choose not to make it to list B? The answer is no they can’t.
what/ where is the conflict? if Allah is all knowing then sets and knows the variables and constants that are in place; that doesn't conflict with us having free choice in the set world and how we choose to go through life. reality is we are able to make choices so it is inappropriate and unjust to blame The Creator because we chose not to think before speaking or acting towards addressing the existential questions.
To explain in terms of Islam free will is highly probabilistic and exists on the human or quantum scale as compared to the heavenly scale which is everything is deterministic "Verily the command of Allah is a destiny decreed" Quran 33:38 the human miracle itself is the composition of both realms Ard and Samawati or earth and heaven the the ability and the meeting point between the quantum realm and the macro where they meet inside the soul of the human in other words the place where the two seas meet and there is a barrier between them just as the Quran Sharif Al Karim elucidates in Surah Al Kahf the world of the seen or Mulk and the unseen or Ghayb world
So ok i have a question now If we as muslims have an aspect of our religion that seem contradictory(like free will and determinism) and we have no idea how to reconcile them together and it seems logically impossible to do so, how can we attack any other belief system ? Or attack anything using logic? How can we attack the intelligibility of the trinity for example? They can just give the same answer thats here right Where is the line one can draw where above this line one can conclude a certain belief system can be false and below it one can do tasleem
There is a very infamous experiment which atheists claim that proof of freewill doesn’t exist but the author himself says the opposite. The paper titled “Time of conscious intention to act in relation to onset of cerebral activity (readiness potential)”, subtitle is “The unconscious intiation of freely voluntary act”, authors name is Benjamin Libet. Do hijab and hamza aware of this experiment and what’t their take on this experiment?
Yes good point... It would interesting to hear their take on this. And also the so called "retro causality" of quantum phenomenon (like the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment)
Is this the experiment where they've seen that people made their choice subconsciously before being consciously aware? If yes this is no problem. You could argue islamically that the soul makes the choice before the subconscious brain and then the conscious. Also if that's the experiment we're talking about I believe we still know too little as to how decision making works in general, let alone for conscious agents as complex as humans. Salam!
We always think that our past effect our present and our present effect our future. But what if i tell you that our future can effect our present!! And whats the future?? Its in predestination. Time in this world is limited. You cant say its unlimited, for this world. I could be wrong but i think the future and past and present all exist. I heard somewhere that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) went to miraj and he(pbuh) heard the footstep of hazrat bilal (ra) from paradise.
Well, there is a way actually to understand this. Allah made us with free will since we do feel our free will. We don't know "How" God knows because we are limited in knowledge. God asked us to "believe his words" and this is where the exam is! He's telling us that he is doing no one injustice, so if someone thought that God knowing your choice is the same as God choosing for you then that person is deceiving himself because he didn't take Allah's words for giving human beings free will. We must know that He SWT knows what we can't and won't ever know, so how can we "know" what is in the basis of "His knowledge" which we were not given access to in the first place. How we want to know what He knows?
lets say it how it is. Islam means to submit your will to the Will of Allah. and a Muslim is one who submits their will to the Will of Allah. so we have the choice whether to do this or not. And when we do choose to do this then we have to follow The Qur'an and Sunnah, not our own whims. So if your definition of "free will" is about free choice then no problem. But if your definition of "free will" is that you can do whatever you want, then did you create yourself? did you create the heavens and earth? do you decide whether you wake up the next morning? so no we do not have free will in this regard.
You have two things you believe you can do. One of them you believe is immoral and the other you believe is moral. Just do the thing you believe is moral. By the way, when the person does the thing he believes is moral, he believes he is good. But when he does the thing he believed was immoral, why is he now talking about Qadr? He must believe he is evil to be consistent. And if you believe you are evil, you believe your destiny is in line with what you did and believed. So there is no problem.
Nice point... But then is there any salvation for the jews, christians, hindus, qureshi mushriks? And what would you say about sunni hadith about Abu talib the uncle of the Prophet who defended him and sacrificed so much for his protection? His punishment according to some narrations is the shallowest part of hell which will make his brains boil? Wasn't abu talib doing what he thought was right morally by defending the Prophet? If he is doomed to such a punishment, then what hope about the others who don't find this "narrowest" of paths.... What about all those other good people who believed in god(s) other than Allah? Why would such people be punished for believing what they thought was morally right? For example, would we accept the religion of people who invade our country, and if we fail to give them protection money, they can kills us and sleep with our wife and daughters taking them as slaves?
@@Adrian-yf1zg In Islam, God does not punish people of they were unaware of Him or His message and if no messengers came to them. So if they live by morals that they think are good but are actually not because they are ignorant to the truth and God then they will not be punished. God is not unjust. He will be fair and just when we are all judged on Judgement Day.
You have "free will choice". This choice has no effect on outcome. God determines outcome. Therefore you are responsible for your "preference/choice" and God decides the outcome.
Would it be an acceptable thing for a Christian to say that "I don't know how the Trinity works and how God can be 3 in 1 - it seems contradictory, but I know from revelation that he is both 3 and 1 and so I will affirm it anyhow"? Or do you think that that apparent contradiction which he cannot resolve ought to reduce his confidence in his religion?
How can free will and determinism occur at the same time or exist simultaneously? 1. We can analyze this scientifically and come to the realization that some things are entirely deterministic according to the laws of physics and these usually deal with things on the macroscopic scale whereas on the quantum scale according to physics everything is highly probablistic and this of course is in the microscopic scale or the subatomic realm. 2. Analyzing it from micro Quantum particles such as quarks and bosons appear to abide by no known deterministic laws instead they seemed to engage in behavior that is highly probablistic and appears to be independent 3. Where on the macroscopic scale the known forces of physics such as gravity and electro magnetism a nd the weak and strong nuclear forces abide by deterministic a well known set of laws that do not falter and are absolute Therefore the physics and the laws of the universe as we can percieve on the macro scale are dependent upon physics and abide by them. 4. To explain in terms of Islam free will is highly probabilistic and exist on the human or quantum scale as compared to the heavenly scale which is everything is deterministic the human miracle itself is the composition of both realms Ard and Samawati or earth and heaven the the ability and the meeting point between the quantum realm and the macro where they meet inside the soul of the human 5. Further scientific evidence of this can be seen clearly through the phenomenon of waveform or wave function collapse which is highly indicative of the quantum nature of consciousness 6. Only Allah s.w.t is neccessary or independent or absolute everything else in creation all creatures including humans are contingent upon Allah s.w.t., dependent and relative to Allah s.w.t. we are always the means and Allah hu Haqq is the ends or final destination upon him we rely and to him we shall return 7. Bismillahi Tawwakkultu Allahlahi La hawla wa quwwata illah billah al Ali al Azim.
There is an answer to this. We shouldn't have to be forced into saying only Allah knows the answer. Yes we have epistemic limitations, but this is fairly conceivable and rational and it is important not to over complicate this. We have free will to choose our actions and everything we do is our preference, however Allah is al alim and he knew before hand what we would choose to do therefore he wrote it on the preserved tablet. So what we do is our choice, it's just that Allah knew what we would choose to do and wrote that down before we were created. Also the wadr aspect as that we get presented with a range of oppurtunities and the free will aspect is we get to choose from that range of possibilities. It's important to know Allah is al-Adl the just, and everything is fair. One you have faith in Allah's attributes i.e imaan one of the 6 articles of faith then everything else falls into place and there would be no doubts left.
He knew before hand what we will do because he created us to do those things before we ever existed didn’t he? So how did we choose anything if he created us that way.
@@veryfinan5187 we choose as well, its our choice equally just as ewually as it is his , our choice is the same as what he chose. How ? GOD can do that. Its mwtaphysics we cant explain how. As humans we cant even explainnthe quantum theory, how two particles can be at once at the same time, certain things are way above our pay grade.
I don't know if I am correct, nor whether I am answering the right question. However, this is the way I try to reconcile between the free will of human being and the absolute Will of Allah: 1- Allah SWT has the ultimate Will and Power. Only what He wills materializes in the world. 2- Allah SWT has given us free will. Therefore, our dependent free will, in fact, follows from that of Allah which is ultimately independent. 3- Freewill has to do with intention. As a person, I freely intend to do something because Allah SWT allowed me to have this freedom. 4- From our human point of view, for an action to materialize in the real world, two conditons must be met: a) a will to perform and b) a capacity to execute. If any of these two conditions is not met, then the action will not materialize. 5- Allah SWT has the ultimate decision, and any action will materialize in the actual world only when Allah SWT wills to be. However, any action that is not accomplished is due to the fact that we either don't have the will or the capacity to accomplish. 6- We, as humans, are judged by our intentions. This is because our intentions are where our freedom lies. If we do a bad action, it occurred because A) Allah SWT allowed to happen, and B) we have the will (our will that will be judged) to do this bad action as well as the physical capacity to carry it away. An example: Missing a prayer: one can miss an obligatory prayer either due to a lack of will (intention to not do the prayer) or incapacity to perform it. The person is guilty only when he/she has the intention not to establish prayer. The prophet SAW says "whoever forgets or sleeps till the prayer's time elapses, he shall prayer when he remembers." This person missed the prayer but because he did not have the intention to miss it, he is not guilty. In general, our free will depends on the Ultimate Will of Allah SWT. We are judged by our will that was given to us by Allah. We are not judged by what actions are accomplished, because some actions may be accomplished without will (force for example) or we may miss actions for which we have intention to do. If I have any mistakes in my understanding, then I accept my limitations. In all cases, I accept that Allah SWT is the Ultimate Just, and the Ultimate Sadiq. By Him telling us that we have a free will, it must be true that we have it, and it is just that we are judged by that free will which Allah has given us, although we may not understand how it works with the Ultimate Will of Allah.
I think we are making this idea unnecessarily difficult. In this earth we have both free wills and given situations. Think about your life so far, many things had happened without your plan. But many things you have done and are doing with your own will. This is Free will and Predestination. And yes Allah has advance knowledge about your free will too. But He is not forcing you in your free will.
@@thetruthseeker1234 Only God has free will. There is no free will possible for humans if God is perfect, all knowing and all controlling. God has known how you will die and where you will go after that since the beginning of time.
@@philipcoriolis6614 Lets predict something. Tonight you will have dinner and sleep. Tomorrow you will wake up, have breakfast, use toilet, work, have lunch, watch a movie, have dinner and go to sleep at night. Now among my predictions maybe 70-80% or can be 100% will come true. If tomorrow you do exactly whatever I said, does it mean I forced you to do so? You will do it at your free will. I just know that you will do it but I didn't force you. Same with God. Yes there are many things God does where you have no choice. According to Islam, Allah will never ask you for what you didn't have a choice. You will only be questioned and judged based on what you had choice.
@@thetruthseeker1234 You are not correct. God does not make predictions. God already knows ABSOLUTELY everything. Past present and future are one and only thing for God. He knows the beginning and the end of everything. There is zero room for choice for us humans.
Here is an analogy: Consider a computer game where everything is prewritten, the codes are already written. You have your player that has the freedom to move and do whatever is possible by pre-coding in the game. If the player moves freely, using the pre-coded commands, towards a bom, it is pre-written or pre-coded or predetermined in the game that he wil die.
@@treehigh5156 no, he used his free will that is coded in computer language. Eg. "When press arrow button" then "move". It is up you to press the button, but the button is precoded already. So, it is possible that the game programmer also coded some penalties when innocents are killed. The programmer is also able to hack in the game. In this way the creator of the game has still full control what can and what will happen in the game...
@@treehigh5156 I guess not for the game player, but it is for the game subject. I'm just trying to show that there is likewise interplay between game subject and the player in the real world. In a sense we have free will that is outside of this obversable physical universe but within the pre-coded 'game'world of God where there is a mix of intelligeble universe and a universe beyond our imagination. That is the best comprehensible thing I can say.
around min 25 he says allah cannot become a man; is this true? i.e. is the islamic version of god not able to come to earth, if he chooses to? can anyone elaborate?
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Thank you so much. The kadhaa and kadr and free-will it's a matter of belief that has no thing to do with our life science, however this belief in kadaa and kadar comes after establishing an origin belief which is believeing in Allah and in what Mohammad's message brought. Example: If I give you a showing proof that i can carry up 500kg, this fact makes you believe in my power. Now, what if someone told you that I could carry an elephant. Here surely you will believe in me basing on the origin belief with no need to a another proof (this's called rational proof). Results: The showing proof is the Quran which establishes the origin belief. when the origin belief is built, that leads to accept the second belief that has no need to any proofs. What the purpose of all that?. This's the sound belief that feeds our worshiping to Allah as like as we see him (IHSAN level) with trust, and that what makes the difference between the children of Adam who never seen or talked to Allah and the Angels who has already seen and talked to Allah. For that reason the Angels have been commanded to bow to Adam, and for that purpose exactly the satan has taken us his enemy and we commanded as well in surat Alkahf to take him as our enemy). Final fruit: The real worshippers of Allah from the children of Adam are better than the Angels. Allah said to the Angels in the Quran in surat Albakara " I know what don't know" this's when the Angels didn't realize the wisdom of making Adam and his children as khaleefa in the earth as a test for them where Allah gave them the free will to do what they want (obeying Allah or Obeying the Satan). However the Angels they're ordered to obey to Allah with no free will. Conclusion: Without understanding the whole story of our creation and our purpose in this life we cannot absolutely realize the wisdom of believing in kadha an kadar.
Just because it is an islamic doctrine that you cannot understand the subject most of you go: "Oh yeah we are only humans and cannot understand it. So we do not think about it too much and just accept, what is revealed to us, how stupid it might ever be." You could also think about it and clearly consider this an impossible and unreflected claim. There is either free will or predestination, period. Me as a christian I found out as well, so, Muslims, you can do it also.
How can free will and determinism occur at the same time or exist simultaneously? 1. We can analyze this scientifically and come to the realization that some things are entirely deterministic according to the laws of physics and these usually deal with things on the macroscopic scale whereas on the quantum scale according to physics everything is highly probablistic and this of course is in the microscopic scale or the subatomic realm. 2. Analyzing it from micro Quantum particles such as quarks and bosons appear to abide by no known deterministic laws instead they seemed to engage in behavior that is highly probablistic and appears to be independent 3. Where on the macroscopic scale the known forces of physics such as gravity and electro magnetism a nd the weak and strong nuclear forces abide by deterministic a well known set of laws that do not falter and are absolute Therefore the physics and the laws of the universe as we can percieve on the macro scale are dependent upon physics and abide by them. 4. To explain in terms of Islam free will is highly probabilistic and exist on the human or quantum scale as compared to the heavenly scale which is everything is deterministic the human miracle itself is the composition of both realms Ard and Samawati or earth and heaven the the ability and the meeting point between the quantum realm and the macro where they meet inside the soul of the human 5. Further scientific evidence of this can be seen clearly through the phenomenon of waveform or wave function collapse which is highly indicative of the quantum nature of consciousness 6. Only Allah s.w.t is neccessary or independent or absolute everything else in creation all creatures including humans are contingent upon Allah s.w.t., dependent and relative to Allah s.w.t. we are always the means and Allah hu Haqq is the ends or final destination upon him we rely and to him we shall return 7. Bismillahi Tawwakkultu Allahlahi La hawla wa quwwata illah billah al Ali al Azim.
