After watching you extole the vitues of subwoofers i recently added a sub to my system ,a Ken Kreisel, and in the set up instructions it states for best results place in corner , which i did. Really glad i took yor advice as its made a noticeable improvement & for convenience sake i'll keep it out the way in the corner where the dogs can't knock into it !
Thanks for demonstrating with your voice how any sound, be it from voice, speakers or anything, gets colored and spatially restricted if it is near or up against a wall. Soundstaging is actually a new thing for people doing it the wrong way for 50 years. Of course to avoid realizing that, they can keep doing things the same foolish way and get more bass at the expense of all those wonderful spatial qualities. People who put subwoofers in corners, are getting more bass; but that they think it is better quality bass shows how non-far along their audio perception is.
If running Maggie LRS+, is sub placement near my speakers going to interfere or be detrimental to the sound coming from the Maggies? What would be the minimum distance between main and sub speakers?
A question here for this forum: I have an entry-level 10-inch subwoofer, and I ask, what would a second subwoofer of the same quality or a single one of better quality improve the sound more? My living room is 13 x 20 feet. I await your advice
@@Pete.across.the.street Thanks for your answer, it would be for a stereo configuration and both would be on the front wall next to the two towers, or one in the middle...
REL says to put it's subs in corners. I even emailed them about it. They're insistent that's where you should start if you don't want mess with placement further.
Corner placement is a classic subwoofer position, and anyone who has actually read Toole and Olive's papers would know that. Far too many quickly dismiss corner loading of the sub - which has the advantage of increasing the effective low frequency output by restricting the energy propagation into a smaller effective volume.
@@edwardbalowski6572 idk about that, i've seen too many audiophiles place subs in corners. well if they like how it sounds then cool, but I'll take quality bass over bass extension. putting them in corners will only accentuate those problematic room modes in a room that cannot handle all that energy
REL makes a BIG deal about always placing their subs in a corner. I have a REL T7i and it needs to be placed in a corner to work. Not a super high powered sub (300 watts) so it needs the room reinforcement.
I noticed the letter writer stated his subwoofers were "right next to a cabinet against the front wall." I assumed this meant that if you were facing the speakers listening to music, the subwoofers would also also be in tront of you. Later, in your answer, you referred to the wall behind the speakers as the rear wall. Does this then imply that you think the writer's subwoofers were behind him? I always thought that the wall behind the speakers was the front wall, but you seem to say it's the rear wall. If you are correct, then one must turn around and look behind themselves to see the front wall. Seems odd to me, hence the question. If front wall and rear wall are used interchangeably, why waste time with the adjectives of front and rear? Just call it a wall or the wall.
My REL sounds good against the center of my wall but it's better if you toe it at an angle pointing to the far corner on the other side of the room. You don't want a square box sitting parallel to the wall.
Running subs below 40 Hz is a waste of opprortunity . The Schroeder freq of an average room is around 200 Hz . Below that freq , modal behaviour is dominant , meaning standing waves determine the sound with lots of peaks and nulls as a result . Only by running multiple (preferably 4) subs in strategically placed positions can one obtain an even bass respons throughout the room . Limiting your self to 40 Hz leaves at least 2 octaves where modal behaviour will have adverse effects on the sound . Get it up to 80 Hz I say and you will still be unable to locate the subs
While I believe your math about standing waves is correct, the tonality of the sound starts to become relevant at a certain point. At home and through work I've dealt with primarily very large diameter subs, and they don't seem to sound good above a certain frequency, either due to chuffing noise or a "woofy" sound as Paul described. I try to keep my sub as low as possible and let the speaker take over as low as the room will allow. I plan on buying one of the smaller REL subs, I hear they are really good at playing further up like you said around 200hz without sounding funny.
