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Simple and cheap way to bring fresh air with temperature closer to the room temperature and reduce the heating bill.
I present to you a simple way to build an air to air heat exchanger or HRV (Heat Recovery Ventilation). The advantage of heat recovery ventilation is that you introduce fresh air permanently into the house and at the same time recover some of the thermal energy of the contaminated air that is expelled.
The basic idea of all these devices is that the air that is evacuated outside by means of a separation element exchanges the temperature with the fresh air that enters. In this way less energy is needed to reheat the fresh air in winter or less energy consumed on cooling during the summer if there is a cooling system. In this video I tried to build a simplified version of a punctual heat exchanger.
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@tyronelannister9922
@tyronelannister9922 Год назад
This video saved me $500
@wesdiezy
@wesdiezy Год назад
Brilliant! I love this design and am looking forward to copying it. Its weird that all the other videos on the same subject try to overcomplicate things while this design is much easier and seemingly more effective than the other tube or corrugated plastic designs. Will definitly include this when I eventually get around to building a tiny house. It feels so great when you can make something that sells for $1000 for $20.
@tgamirov
@tgamirov Год назад
Foreign levels of out-of-the-box creativity and resourcefulness detected. Temps displayed in Celsius is the final confirmation that you are not American.
@benlemon849
@benlemon849 Год назад
german engineering at its finest!
@Aleksandr-Herman
@Aleksandr-Herman 6 месяцев назад
Romania
@pauljeglum9786
@pauljeglum9786 2 месяца назад
I'm all about backyard inventors since I consider myself one. Good on you Jobe. Keep INVENT'IN!!! 👍
@ministerulmagiei
@ministerulmagiei 2 года назад
that is unexpectedly efficient. having fresh air at aprox. 15 degrees when the average temp is slightly above 15 degrees (inside is 22 and outside is 8) is extremely efficient for that small setup. have you tried decreasing the airflow for the fan that brings air from the outside? If the fans have different speeds you might be able to obtain fresh air with higher temps and avoid condensation by not cooling the hot air from the house below it's dew point. I doubt condensation would happen if the room has fresh air heated and then cooled back to half it's original temperature (because by heating air you decrease it's humidity and by cooling it only to it's original temperature it won't reach it's original dew point) If you take fresh air from the outside at 8 degrees, it's dew point will be lower like 3 degrees, and if you heat that up by bringing it inside it will have the same water vapor in it, which means it's dew point will remain the same even if now it has 22 degrees, and after it gets pulled into the exchanger it will be cooled to 15 degrees like the fresh air that goes the opposite direction. The only reason for it to cause condensation is if you have a water source in the room. Unless you're working out in that room, your breathing alone is never going to raise the dew point from 3 to 15. If the room isn't loosing pressure you could just use a single fan that forces air out, and that would create negative pressure on the other opening that would suck fresh air in at a lower speed that would allow it to maybe heat up a bit more than the average temperature between the room and the outside. Probably the room isn't that airtight and it's probably a bad idea but still worth a try just for the possible 50% energy savings by using a single fan instead of two. Congrats on the build! I wish I'd have the courage to try!
@nosequiters
@nosequiters 11 месяцев назад
could you go into more detail as too how you would do this
@ministerulmagiei
@ministerulmagiei 11 месяцев назад
@@nosequiters sure, I would use a single board such as raspberry 0 which doesn't have wifi or anything else, should be around 10 USD/EUR, connect to it a humidity sensor and a fan. The fan ideally should be a centrifugal one, similar to laptops, not the ones with the blades which are used in old desktops, because are more efficient to generate pressure diferences. I hope it is helpful for you, feel free to ask more
@ministerulmagiei
@ministerulmagiei 11 месяцев назад
@@nosequiters another combination could be to have 2 temperature sensors, one in the room and a secondary sensor outside, to calculate the ideal air speed
@blokkenpiloot
@blokkenpiloot Год назад
everything i needed to know while being short and positively vibed, thanks!
@moonolyth
@moonolyth Год назад
I think this is out of the box thinking myself!!! More betta than others I've seen regarding foils and simplicity. Jobe well done for a prototype. it could get a little more fancy but simple is sometimes harder to come up with. I'm wondering if it would be more efficient making longer and if use thinner aluminum as in (thick foil). The air in my basement is not great and I do some jewelry work in one room it would be nice to evacuate fumes and save some cash using an exchanger. Georgia gets nice and toasty/cold in winter too. I'll be building a traditional unit much larger later with the corrugated plastic.... think the fancy ones are made of, but this is great!! Thanks for posting this is what RU-vid is all about!!
@1972Suburban
@1972Suburban Месяц назад
Very clever ! I am interested whether there is air "leakage" down the length of the folded aluminum since it is not sealed? Thanks for the ideas ,I have a 3D printer which produces odors which need to be vented outside.I think this would be perfect with smaller computer fans since just a small volume of air exchange will solve the problem.I will add a drain since I expect condensation with large differences in Canadian winter temperatures. Thanks again.
@kevinmcgrath3591
@kevinmcgrath3591 2 года назад
Well designed, congrats. Im wondering if you did a smoke test to see if air got recirculated in the locality of the two fans - in other words does the expelling fan draw from the other fan being so close together?
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
But what does it do? Hot air coming into the house will heat the metal and cooler air going outside will cool the metal. It achieves nothing. You must radiate the heat of the metal without expelling the cool air of the house, if you want to cool the house. Like a heat pump.
@kevinmcgrath3591
@kevinmcgrath3591 Год назад
@@glidercoach en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_recovery_ventilation
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
@@kevinmcgrath3591 Yes, you just confirmed my comment. Your link shows a proper heat pump. This is not a heat pump.
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 Год назад
@@glidercoach Did you even read the linked article? It does not describe a heat pump which uses phase change of a pumped carrier. This is a way to recover some of the temperature difference that would otherwise be lost between outside air and inside air that you are expelling as they pass thru the separate sides of the duct.
@v31.48
@v31.48 Год назад
@@glidercoachthis is just heat recovery ventilation. VENTILATION. Did you see a compressor anywhere?? Nope. You can’t make a heatpump without a compressor. No this is NOT a heatpump setup.
@sierraecho884
@sierraecho884 9 месяцев назад
Well done, that´s a rather clever and easy to build solution.
@blinddog1212
@blinddog1212 2 месяца назад
Very nice job! Love simple and creative DIY projects like this. Are you still using the DIY HRV today?
@HugoQM
@HugoQM 4 месяца назад
Simple, Smart and Cost Effective, thanks for sharing!
@danielseddon3177
@danielseddon3177 Год назад
Love the simplicity.
@budmartin3344
@budmartin3344 Год назад
Great design. BTW, can you please tell me what kind of glues you are using on the foam and for mounting the fans? Thanks!
@simonlinser8286
@simonlinser8286 Год назад
Its spray foam used for the foam board it bonds it... like the expanding foam....
@steviewondek
@steviewondek 2 года назад
This looks great, have been looking for ideas to make a cheap heat exchanger as I only have one window in my room facing busy street, I have to keep closed to stop noise and privacy but need air not to be cold, all other I have seen very expensive to make, need workshop fancy tools etc. could you please say what material you made the element out of? is it just aluminum foil like you glued on the insides?
@BCreativeDIY
@BCreativeDIY 2 года назад
Hello. I'm glad you find my approach interesting. I have built the 0.5 mm thick aluminum sheet heat exchanger. I inserted this exchanger into the tube as shown in the video without any sealing, I just made sure it took up all the space up to the ends and to the sides. Because there is no high pressure I decided is not mandatory to have a seal between the incoming and outgoing air. The walls of the tube are made of extruded polystyrene and for this reason I thought of gluing some foil on them. Initially I wanted to paint them with a washable but I did not have available.
@prsrvz
@prsrvz 2 года назад
@@BCreativeDIY Great video! I’m having trouble finding the aluminum heat exchanger where do you find it?
@gelisob
@gelisob 2 года назад
@@prsrvz just fold some thin aluminium sheet metal
@nixonsmateruby1
@nixonsmateruby1 Год назад
Love it, it's basically a large heat sink that you get in a PC. I would add a filter. The type used in breathing machines like CPAP is thin. Also, could this work room to room instead of outside?
@247chiranjeevi
@247chiranjeevi Год назад
this is so simple. awesome. You're super smart. maybe you could make it more efficient by having more exchange area.
@SapioiT
@SapioiT 11 месяцев назад
Please make a version with more turns for the zig-zag (more zig-zags), and with more length for the zig-zags while also increasing the distance between the corners of the zig-zags. This will likely increase the efficiency, resulting in the temperature difference between the inside temperature and fresh air being lower.
@nps-ddpsavinglives
@nps-ddpsavinglives Год назад
Nice build Smart!! How do you address condensation?
@PoloNius67
@PoloNius67 11 месяцев назад
The music 🎵🎶 tho 👍🏾
@mike_jay
@mike_jay 2 года назад
Hi, great project. What is the foam board construction material called please.
@EdoPlantinga
@EdoPlantinga 2 года назад
looks like XPS to me
@LaineyBug2020
@LaineyBug2020 11 месяцев назад
If I were to use this for a bike camper, would I be able to make it smaller, or would this size still be needed?
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 11 месяцев назад
Nice video - I like the simple concept, thanks for taking the time to produce and upload it. Spraying (or painting) the contact surfaces of the heat exchanger unit with a coat of matt black paint should increase the efficiency of your unit by a notable degree.
@rajdude1
@rajdude1 2 месяца назад
Ummm....no. Black colored stuff works only if sunlight is falling on it and the heat exchanger needs to absorb light & IR radiation and convert it to heat. For example in a solar water heater on someone's root. Look inside your home's AC. Look at the heat-exchanger coils there. You can look at the fins of your heat pump which is outside and easily accessible. Are they black painted?
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 2 месяца назад
@@rajdude1 My statement wasn't conjecture, it's a fact the matt black painted bodies both absorb and emit infrared more efficiently than any other colour. Whether the sun is shining is not an issue, since much of the infrared on earth is not directly absorbed from the sun. The fact that aesthetics and cost rule over efficiency is nothing new - the most glaring example of such stupidity is household radiators coming in a white finish, which is pretty much only worse than reflective silver for efficiency. You could ask yourself why space blankets have a highly reflective internal surface, and why thermal imaging cameras need to be calibrated to a certain emissivity and are inaccurate if then used on a different type of surface. If you still have doubts, I'd humbly suggest doing some research - the information is all there to be found...
@rajdude1
@rajdude1 2 месяца назад
@@will_doherty Yes, I agree with you on "matt black painted bodies both absorb and emit infrared more efficiently". But inside his dark foam tube, is there infrared? IDK. Isn't this a simple air-to-metal-to-air heat transfer? Maybe I am thinking it wrong; so I will do more research on this topic. Thanks for responding 🙂
@rajdude1
@rajdude1 2 месяца назад
@@will_doherty so yeah, I do see they even sell condenser coil paint on Amazon, so I guess you are correct. But my physics mind is a little confused. With nowhere to "radiate" the heat, because his aluminum fins are inside a box made out of thick insulation material, will painting them black help? Same argument as the heat radiators you mentioned above surely should be painted black, but why the AC coil inside my air handler (the inside unit of my heat-pump system) in my basement is simple aluminum, not black painted. Why?
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 2 месяца назад
@@rajdude1 Thanks for checking out what I said - I'm very pleased that you did. All bodies at all temperatures (down to -273C as I recall) emit energy in the form of infrared. (In fact, I just checked, and that is correct.) I'm not sure how much of the heat exchange in this simple unit is due to infrared absorption/radiation and how much is by conduction, but I believe the matt black finish would make a significant difference. To address your last point, I suspect many things that are manufactured are not finished in matt black due to cost saving, and at the end of the day the losses in efficiency are going to be paid for by the end user, not the manufacturer. When I was educated in the UK many years ago, we experimented with this exact scenario in testing the effect of infrared transmission and absorption by several identical objects finished in various colours and smoothness. The differences were very significant and thus obvious to see, which is something that has stuck in my mind over the years.
@jazzehenderson
@jazzehenderson Год назад
is that enough to cold your room for that PC Fan?
Год назад
Very interesting design - thanks! How big is your aluminium plate?
@kondordv
@kondordv Год назад
very nice and simple design, but there is ventilators which needs power supply and consumption. There must be calculated the efficiency. How about natural interchange of air without ventilators? What's the volume of air per hour interchanged according to difference of temperature?
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 Год назад
You have to push the ventilation with a fan anyway so other than some resistance due to the increased boundary layer drag of the corrigated heat exchanger wall, efficiency is minimal compared to needing to heat/cool unconditioned air. A vertical exchanger can take advantage of convection, but its not as effective as actively pushing it with a fan.
@timd1191
@timd1191 Год назад
huh. cool. wonder how well it works?
@AndriiRabinovych
@AndriiRabinovych 11 месяцев назад
That's awesome😮
@kewintaylor7056
@kewintaylor7056 Год назад
Nice idea.
@axel9546
@axel9546 2 года назад
Whats the difference btw this project and a real air ventilation product?
@tyronelannister9922
@tyronelannister9922 Год назад
$500
@23lkjdfjsdlfj
@23lkjdfjsdlfj 11 месяцев назад
$4,500.00 USD
@albertodomfer
@albertodomfer 6 месяцев назад
impresionante, se puede mejorar facilmente poniendo filtros de carbon activos y de polvo.
@GoatZilla
@GoatZilla Год назад
Go easy on the glue there buddy... Condensation seems like it will be an issue. Wonder if you could just design it at an angle so it just drains out.
@spencero2076
@spencero2076 2 года назад
Does this work for when its hotter outside than in? Like in Arizona, where I live?
@kevinmcgrath3591
@kevinmcgrath3591 2 года назад
Yes, as he says "a separation element exchanges the temperature with the fresh air that enters." - meaning cold air going out will reduce the temperature of the air coming in
@Aleksandr-Herman
@Aleksandr-Herman 6 месяцев назад
Гениально!
@uncleposter
@uncleposter 5 месяцев назад
I would need a filter on mine, but the concept here is solid. However, isn’t this an ERV and not an HRV since anyone living in hot and humid climates won’t get any humidity removed?
@RaglansElectricBaboon
@RaglansElectricBaboon Месяц назад
We call them 'Heat Recovery Ventilation' here in NZ. So I guess that's the H?
@tsunghan_yu
@tsunghan_yu 5 дней назад
I think you got it reversed. HRV deals with heat and ERV deals with other "energy" including humidity
@hadiprayitno8632
@hadiprayitno8632 2 года назад
It's Working sir ? Thanks
@vinny7168
@vinny7168 Год назад
very good job !!!!!!!
@AChi__
@AChi__ 2 года назад
Smart stuff 👍🏽
@BCreativeDIY
@BCreativeDIY 2 года назад
Thanks for appreciation .
@happyvlog4672
@happyvlog4672 2 года назад
what kind of adhesive did you use
@RPI_4
@RPI_4 2 года назад
how do You Catch and dispose the condens water? You need to come with another solution, because this ist v.0001 i Hope.
@BCreativeDIY
@BCreativeDIY 2 года назад
I thought that if I tilt it outwards then the condensation will flow outside . The problem occurs if there is too much condensation and it is too cold outside, then at some point ice will form :). First I would like to make some more rigorous measurements related to efficiency and then I think of other details.
@benroberts127
@benroberts127 2 года назад
ahh, good technique!
@maxsss03
@maxsss03 Год назад
What is that purple material called?
@amakkos
@amakkos 2 года назад
Can you please tell me the thickness of the aluminium plate? It seems to be thicker than soda can (0.2 mm as I measured)
@wesdiezy
@wesdiezy Год назад
Most likely it is .2mm aluminum flashing, which is pretty cheap and easy to get from a hardware store.
@makoado6010
@makoado6010 11 месяцев назад
nice. but u have to know the poliuretan foam esp/eps hardly emmit voc. only safe materials the pvc, pp, abs, nylon, pla, metal
@glumpy2137
@glumpy2137 Год назад
I calculate the efficiency to be 47.8% . Assuming the fans are 56.3 CFM each, that's 0.414 kW of heat exchanged.
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
How do you calculate this? The hot air heating the plate coming in, is being cooled by cooler air from the house. If your goal is to cool the house why would you use this cooler air to cool the metal?
@pop44n89
@pop44n89 Год назад
The goal is to minimize the energy used to heat / cool the house while drawing in outside air. So you pre heat / cool the air coming in using the energy from exhaust.
@pop44n89
@pop44n89 Год назад
Outside 8. Fresh air in 15. So gained 7 through the heat exchanger. 7/15=~47%.
@ahmetkaratas542
@ahmetkaratas542 Год назад
👌👍👏
@Custom_Tundra_XFire_Audio
@Custom_Tundra_XFire_Audio 3 месяца назад
Congratulation you have learned the art of making a box!
@MAHEBE14
@MAHEBE14 Год назад
Un radiador interculer de un coche el que se usa para enfriar el aire Turbo tendría que ir bien
@RaglansElectricBaboon
@RaglansElectricBaboon Месяц назад
Yes, and also expensive!
@DIYwithBatteries
@DIYwithBatteries 2 года назад
I think you need more cpu fans, isn't enough with one mate 😊👍
@BCreativeDIY
@BCreativeDIY 2 года назад
Actually there are two fans, one introduces air and one blows out. It works quite well because there are no filters that require more pressure.
@DIYwithBatteries
@DIYwithBatteries 2 года назад
@@BCreativeDIY yeah I know there are two lol but still it works great with more fans ;)
@BRP-Moto-Tips
@BRP-Moto-Tips 2 года назад
I actually runned the math about 15 minutes ago and I found out that one 10x10 mm cpu cooler can change the air in a room with about 7.5 cubic meters around 4 times per hour, that for my use case is as good as it gets. I'm amazed, I can't believe a CPU cooler moves that much air
@anonanonkiewicz1921
@anonanonkiewicz1921 2 года назад
Airflow numbers in fans specification are usually measured at 0 pressure drop. So that number doesnt apply to real life. Slow, axial fans can be easily choked to near zero airflow with a filter.
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 11 месяцев назад
Adding more fans in this particular circumstance would be detrimental. The heat exchanger in this unit is in fact undersized for the airflow with the two existing fans, evidenced by the modest ~47% efficiency as noted elsewhere in the comments by another contributor. The efficiency of this unit could be increased by enlarging the heat exchanger, if it were increased by a large amount then more airflow could be added.
@Trikkie87
@Trikkie87 Год назад
Idea is solid, but you should really educate yourself on the dangers of some plastics. Polystyrene is a material you really dont want your air to go through!
@nommy8599
@nommy8599 2 месяца назад
You're kind of a dick making a comment like that, telling people something might be dangerous but not why, if you knew. I don't get some people.
@AutodidactEngineer
@AutodidactEngineer 2 года назад
You need airflow fans!! The ones you used are static pressure and aren't as good for high airflow applications
@kevinmcgrath3591
@kevinmcgrath3591 2 года назад
but wouldn't high airflow require a much longer metal exchanger plate? the low airflow ones used probably are fine for such a short box? I guess this is intended to just get some fresh air gently over a long time period rather than none at all.
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
I'm at a loss on what this does. If it's hotter outside than it is on the inside and you want to cool the house, it will heat the house. The metal plate serves no purpose.
@BlacksmithGen
@BlacksmithGen Год назад
If it's colder outside then this would heat the fresh air coming in to keep your house warmer. If it's hot outside and you are using ac, then it would cool the incoming hot air and keep your house cooler. The whole point of this thing is getting some fresh air into the house though.
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
@@BlacksmithGen Within minutes, the temperature of the plate would equalise with the incoming outside air, rendering it useless. To make it work, you would need a system to keep the plate hotter or colder than the incoming outside air. Also a plate has very little surface area and is not efficient. It would need fins like an air conditioning evaporator core, to heat or cool the air efficiently. This whole thing makes no sense.
@BlacksmithGen
@BlacksmithGen Год назад
@@glidercoach the internal air is the system that makes the plate hotter or colder. That's where the heat exchange is happening. I agree though there are lots of ways of making this more efficient but all at much more expense. But I think as it is it'll keep working so long as there is some heat differential between inside and out.
@glidercoach
@glidercoach Год назад
@@BlacksmithGen It's an eyesore and not worth the trouble.
@BlacksmithGen
@BlacksmithGen Год назад
@@glidercoach I'd make sure you don't accidentally make one and install it into your house then I guess.
@patrickpopescu2314
@patrickpopescu2314 2 года назад
Ok , the video is very cool but the start video is cringe AF
@BCreativeDIY
@BCreativeDIY 2 года назад
Thank you for the feedback. I have tried to add a new level of complexity to my videos and that's all I managed for the moment 😅 .
@RaglansElectricBaboon
@RaglansElectricBaboon Месяц назад
@@BCreativeDIY Its just fine dude, don't worry :)
@cosminanton3901
@cosminanton3901 5 месяцев назад
That's just wrong, you shouldn't use metal, you've just introduced a cold bridge, I'll bet anything, when it is cold outside, this is worse than opening a window.
@SankiKingOfficial
@SankiKingOfficial 4 месяца назад
Bet the $5 in your bank acc
@IvoPavlik
@IvoPavlik 3 месяца назад
That "cold bridge" is the main functional element of this system. It's the reason why it recovers heat in the first place 😀
@ryguy781
@ryguy781 Год назад
There is no way those 4 inch PC fans move enough air to do what you want them to do.
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 Год назад
Problem with this is, a situation where your house is at the desired temperature but you need more air is extremely rare, unless you have a zoo, chemistry lab, or open pit fire, in the house, the internal air being too 'contaminated' is a non-problem. Far more common a problem is the internal air is too hot or too cold, and you want to change this WITHOUT bringing too much extra air into the house.
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 11 месяцев назад
The modern move to airtight houses, in order to reduce energy consumption for heating/cooling means that household air becomes stale and damp much more than in past times - if you just extract air then that means that fresh air has to get in to replace it, which is likely at the wrong temperature for your needs. So these devices extract stale/moist air and replace it with fresh air, which uses the heat exchanger to make the incoming air a similar temperature to the outgoing air. This simple (but excellent!) design is as someone else noted, around 47% efficient - commercial units are up to 90%. So instead of allowing fresh air in and heating/cooling it to your desired household temperature, you'd only have to use ~10% of that energy to "top off" the difference in temperature of the incoming air.
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 11 месяцев назад
@@will_doherty But could this not be achieved by waiting until a time where ambient air is the right temperature, and simply opening windows? How many times a year does air get too 'stale' anyway? Not many!
@will_doherty
@will_doherty 11 месяцев назад
@@Debbiebabe69 Everyone's situation varies - we have problems with excess humidity for maybe 4 months over the winter, which this type of extractor is ideal for - when it's -5°C outside and 20°C inside, heating fresh air takes a lot of fuel, aside from being less than comfortable whilst the windows are open and cold air permeates through the house...
@23lkjdfjsdlfj
@23lkjdfjsdlfj 11 месяцев назад
@@Debbiebabe69 The air is too 'stale' every hour of every day. The problem is CO2. There's an enormous amount of available info on this. Most of the World can't afford to keep their windows open all year.
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