Friend compares VR - Pimax Crystal, Reverb G2, Valve Index and PSVR2 for Sim Racing 

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Cool info on the optics 😎👍

@DrR1pper Thanks for the explanation, that makes perfect sense to me now. I can typically read text on a pc screen around a meter or arms length away without glasses

Thanks Neil 👍

Nice.. It was a last minute choice to record but figured it might be of use to others 😁

Parkinson VR 🤣 Cheers dude 👍

Glad you enjoyed 👍

well, you are comparing graphics system where one entire "computer" cost 1/3 of just a graphics card of the other one, what do you expect?

@@madigorfkgoogle9349I've been friends with Ham since 2018 and I've been doing VR since 2016 , I have six VR headsets including PSVR 2 and the Meta Quest Pro , I built three gaming PC's with my main PC costing over $4,000 that's nearly identical to Ham's PC with a RTX 4090 and who do you think helped me build that PC genius? I expected exactly what I said , what do you think that you came in and explained how to split an atom?

thats the problem for me. considering the g2 is now back to 800+ bucks and is older, its not that good for the market. what iam basically want, is an index 2. a complete pack with baystations and controller + hmd for around 1100 bucks and on current tech level.. so basically, what the index was in 2019. but it seems, that this is the exact market spot, thats dead. its eighter standalone midrange devices for 500 bucks or 1600+ buck enthusiast hardware

Indeed!

I assume he meant he never realised what screen door effect meant until he tried the Index. It's there on the Rift-s but to a lesser extent

What cpu do you have, also do you run iracing?

@@gman5426 i7-9700K 32gb RAM, I do not run racing games as I don't have enough space for the peripherals, I already have too much stuff for the flight sims.

I run a Pimax Crystal on a Ryzen 7 5700X with 64GB of 3600 RAM, and a 3090, I can turn up almost all the graphics and get about a consistent 70fps on DCS world.

I’d wait and see what the PC compatibility is like for PSVR2. If eye tracking also works with PC it could be worth the wait. That being said there is no firm date for PC support and there’s only really GT7 that I play on PSVR2. PS5 could do with more VR Sim games.

If I had one available I would have added it to the comparison for sure. "Hello Meta" 👋😁

I can't say for sure, but it seemed to work when Aerox tried ACC with his glasses on.

Yes FVR works great even with glasses. I wear them and own a Crystal.

They are tricky because they are flickery as hell without AA, but only blurry AA is available in them. I have a stronger GPU so can't tell you exactly how to set them, but in ACC you want to use TAA or KTAA, medium or high depending on your resolution. Medium is a little bit flickery but looks great on higher resolution (on Quest3 Godlike resolution I use KTAA medium), high is a little bit blurry but has the best results if you use the temporal upsampling. TAA with temporal upsampling is very similar to DLSS but DLSS is not faster at all and maybe a little bit more blurry, and has ghosting unless you use DLSS profiler, so I like TAAU more. In F1 you want to use the TAA without sharpening and set dynamic resolution scaling on, then restart the game or otherwise a horrible sharpening effect remains on the image when you change the AA method.o

The Crystal light is a good headset. It’s sharper in the centre (ideal for instrument reading in cockpits) and has no compression artefacts compared to the Quest 3 with link or VD. You will need a 4090 to get the most from the Crystal. The edge to edge clarity is better on the Quest 3 though, with virtually no chromatic aberrations compared to the Crystal Light that has them.

@@HamVR would you say the. Quest 3 is your go to for sim racing ?

-1.75 & -1.50 with +0.50 Cyl on both eyes

@AeroXuk me too, exactly, buddy! (My left is the weaker.) I have the PSVR2 and yeah, do notice quite a bit of a difference with glasses or contacts

@@Tj930 if you regularly use the same VR headset I’d recommend getting a pair of prescription lens inserts for the headset. I got a pair for my Rift S which then lucky also fit my Quest 2. Makes a huge difference not having to try and adjust glasses under a headset. Only issue is if you share the headset as you’ll be forever cleaning them each time you clip and unclip them

​@@AeroXukCan't thank you enough! The fitted prescription lenses have made such a difference! 😊👍

Yep a light house tracked only version, without controllers and XR2 chip would be a lot cheaper to make and be a suitable upgrade for Vive and Index owners. I pressume Pimax wanted inside out tracking because that's the the way the industry is going to attract new uses without existing kit.

@@HamVR yeh I see that but really there should be an option why she is pc owners with light houses pay for the extra weight when we’re not gonna use it , it’s dumb

well, we dont know exactly how the Crystal is working, there is a good chance that the XR2 chip is used for image post processing as upscaling and sharpening for example, same as Varjo Aero is doing. And since the chip is already there, they can use it for stand alone feature as well... I dont think that the crystal has to be that expensive, I think that PiMAX saw that people are willing to pay the "ransom" for the Aero, so why not earn more. It is a free market, if you are willing to pay what they ask, do it, otherwise vote with your wallet and the price will come down...

Crystal is better from what I have experienced.

After now trying the Quest 3, I would rate that higher than the G2 due the large FOV, decent resolution and large sweet spec pancake lens with low glare. It's doesn't have display port, but all the other qualities make up for it and price is pretty reasonable.

hows the screendoor effect for you? when it comes to the quest 3, its like 50% say its on par with the g2 so basically not there, while the other 50% say SDE is worse then on quest 2 because the lenses are so clear and sharp that you can spot it so easy, that its just 1 or 2 numbers better then the index@@HamVR

exactly this. we are still waiting for the next generation of midrage dedicated pcvr headsets. We need something with the hardware and features of a quest 3 but with display port etc. Its very frustrating that the pcvr space has gained so little traction. If the quest 3 just had a display port......

I am running the pimax crystal with my rx 6800 xt rig which is essentially just a red 3080 and it works very well. I have decrease the resolution a small amount of course, but I don't notice any change in clarity. I would say the image quality in the pimax is exactly the same as gaming on my 32" 1080p monitor. Its not at 2k, but its to the point where I can see detail on distant objects without issue and the screen door is completely gone. I have owned an index and a reverb G2 previously. On the reverb G2 the screen door effect was not very noticable, but it was still there. it was like playing in 720p where the index was like playing between 720 and 480. Closer to 720 than 480. It would be like playing on a monitor at 600 which obviously doesn't exist. The pimax has 0 screen door effect. Even trying to see the individual pixels, I just cannot see it. Its not 2k monitor visuals yet, but it is 1080p monitor visuals which is pretty much rock solid. I mean its to the point where going further really will get you less and less benefits. For example I can see the difference between 2k and 1080p, but the difference is so small that I find that it just isn't worth it as 1080p is really the point where its good enough. 4k and 2k are indistinguishable on a 32" computer monitor on my desk. Now obviously you go up to a 70" televisions screen size or a full movie scree and you will start to see difference, but not at PC monitor sized displays. And a 10080p PC monitor is about how clear the crystal is. And the higher resolution displays really do make a difference. Downscaling doesn't really do the same thing as changing going to a lower resolution screen. Because you don't see the individual pixels, its more of the effect of turning your settings down in a game. And you don't need to turn it down to the point where you see any pixelation. Its just not as sharp. But much much sharper than anything else since the sharpness isn't limited by your panels.

But do you wear glasses in VR?