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VR vs TRIPLES in Sim Racing - How to DECIDE? - Feat. Pimax Crystal 

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@doonavin
@doonavin 6 месяцев назад
Didn't see your poll, but I've gone VR and can't go back. My brain tells me it's just a game on a monitor. My stomach actually sinks on the Nordschleife in VR.
@LeonardoDG2084
@LeonardoDG2084 6 месяцев назад
Indeed!
@JZStudiosonline
@JZStudiosonline 6 месяцев назад
I just tried the Quest 3 for a week and took it back. I can't begin to understand how people say this like somehow it isn't obvious it's still a game in VR. It's neat, but it's too much hassle, too expensive, too uncomfortable and realistically doesn't add much.
@nololol
@nololol 6 месяцев назад
@@JZStudiosonline a 3d image with depth and elevation change is always superior....what actually happened is you suck with computers, probably didn't use a link cable (airlink is blurry and laggy for sim), and didn't use it long enough to get over the possible stomach/eye problems.
@alexanderdiak
@alexanderdiak 6 месяцев назад
@@JZStudiosonline i did the exact same thing. bit of a hassle, and not very comfortable for long races
@DesyDesotell
@DesyDesotell 6 месяцев назад
Makes it worth it every time.
@b.s.7693
@b.s.7693 6 месяцев назад
Some facts for VR newcomers: while wearing a VR headset, you see the game world in real 3D and all objects in 1:1 scale. It just feels like you are IN the game. You DON'T have the feeling to have displays very close to your eyes, like some people might think.
@ZoltanF1LH
@ZoltanF1LH 6 месяцев назад
With VR I got motion sick and headset was also uncomfortable after 30 minutes. It wasn't a great headset admittedly so I'll give it another go when they improve. I also find VR prohibitive with needing the best spec PC to run it acceptably and all the fiddling that you have to do to set it up 😒
@b.s.7693
@b.s.7693 6 месяцев назад
@@ZoltanF1LH motion sickness is something to overcome. This is because your eyes see movement, but your body doesn't feel it. But once your brain get used to it, you will not have problems anymore.
@ZoltanF1LH
@ZoltanF1LH 6 месяцев назад
​@@b.s.7693I'll have to give it another try at some point
@KoplingID
@KoplingID 6 месяцев назад
@@ZoltanF1LH Remember to stop when you feel sick, do not force yourself. Next time you'll feel less sick. At this point I feel nothing even when I was only playing at 36fps
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
yes u do
@TheGeekZone
@TheGeekZone 6 месяцев назад
I’m using a Quest3 in iRacing. And sometimes I forget it’s just a game. It feels so immersive. The feeling of driving wheel to wheel is full 3D is just something else.
@ruds0n895
@ruds0n895 5 месяцев назад
Would you be so kind to elaborate on your setup?
@Devloup
@Devloup 4 месяца назад
im with you i can even feel my heart beating on adrenaline when im in a dangerous overtake. also going from a slow car like formula vee after getting used to it, to a formula 4 car feels like you re going to die haha
@Devloup
@Devloup 4 месяца назад
​@@ruds0n895my setup is rtx 3080, ryzen 5800x3d and ts pc racer wheel and base with t-lcm, i have oculus link cable and quest 3 with a bobo vr halo strap and silicone face cover
@GameKingFaiz
@GameKingFaiz 6 месяцев назад
Don't have room for triples, so VR is perfect for me!
@ukaszenkowwiernowolskicz4321
@ukaszenkowwiernowolskicz4321 6 месяцев назад
For me too
@seanberry1
@seanberry1 6 месяцев назад
I've been using VR since the Oculus DK2 released. Before I got it, everyone was telling me that I'd need to be constantly troubleshooting and messing around with settings, etc. but the reality was; I plugged it in, configured it, and it worked. Apart from the odd restart when weirdness happened, it has been a painless experience.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
thats still a minority
@Gthornby
@Gthornby 6 месяцев назад
I also have DK2 kit. It still works in modern games? not used it for many years. My first time playing with it was on half life 2 and alien isolation back in mid/late 2000's (had to do some file modification to get them to work) My first impression was "I'm not going back to triple screens" games felt more immersive, like I'm not looing at a monitor, I'm' actually in the game! Funny experience with alien isolation on VR, alien jump out at me, I totally forgot where I was, scared the living daylights out of me and I fell over backwards from natural reaction bashing my head against a wall. Didn't play that on VR again for a while. lol
@seanberry1
@seanberry1 6 месяцев назад
@@GthornbyI honestly have no idea - I put it back in its box and stashed it when I got the CV1 and haven't looked at it since. I'll have to plug it back in one day and see
@Retheraq
@Retheraq 6 месяцев назад
@PazLeBon intelligence is definitely a curse on a minority. One of the few benefits from it, however, is the ability to solve problems 😉
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
@@Retheraq oh for sure, ,intelligence manifests in many different ways. Tho we still need the basics of those thought processes in place
@Jonny._.
@Jonny._. 6 месяцев назад
Long runs in VR gets straining to me even its the most immersive.I use triples more than my VR headsets. I love both.
@benfrese3573
@benfrese3573 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, in the end triple screens are better when competitiveness is the main goal. VR is more immersive.
@chrisbennett228
@chrisbennett228 5 месяцев назад
A nice sensible comment
@justgames3138
@justgames3138 5 месяцев назад
Look into the bigscreen vr headset it in my opinion is best for Sims because of the light weight and high resolution.
@dimitrisingels7071
@dimitrisingels7071 6 месяцев назад
I started with triples, and later went VR with the Quest 2. Definitely a step up in immersion, but also not too comfortable and unsharp. I left it for two years, and actually tried to sell it. A month ago I picked it up again and tweaked the hell out of it. I have a 2080 super, so no powerhouse. But I got it working to a degree that it now is too good to not use it anymore. But still, for me it is triples AND VR. They work both in it's own context...
@TheEPICskwock
@TheEPICskwock Месяц назад
Just wait until you try out a quest 3. Clarity from my quest 2 to quest 3 is a big difference. You know how the quest 2 has a sweetspot of clarity? Well with the quest 3, its like the whole lenses is the sweetspot haha
@dimitrisingels7071
@dimitrisingels7071 Месяц назад
@@TheEPICskwock I believe that without a doubt. But the question then is, would it still play nicely with my 2080super?
@mrDJKdnb
@mrDJKdnb 6 месяцев назад
I find it is quicker to get in the 'zone 'in VR but I can play more comfortably for a longer time with screens.
@khawajadotd
@khawajadotd 6 месяцев назад
I'm training for real racing, so VR is the clear winner. I didn't have the configuration issues you mentioned. Took me 30 minutes to install the app, update game settings, and get into my first race.
@simonoregan4744
@simonoregan4744 6 месяцев назад
Just got the quest 3 for sim racing. Already had my triple screen stand, but Im emigrating soon so avoiding getting more gear at the moment. I will no longer be going triples. Just uninstalled all of my non VR games. Nothing compares to being in the actual car. Pimax headsets look too uncomfortable. Raced 20 hours this weekend with the Q3. Took me 3 weeks to get everything dialed in and set up ti where I want it. But hardly any discomfort using the quest 3 for that length of time. Did buy a aftermarket head strap. Love the pancake lenses on the Quest 3. Threw up from motion sickness on my 3rd day. It took.2 weeks and now I no longer suffer from motion sickness. i may get the Big Screen VR headset. Comfort is everything especially because of the length of time I spend in my rig
@Armitage574
@Armitage574 6 месяцев назад
I am also thinking about switching to the beyond, still using my vive pro from 2020 XD but its slowly showing its age.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 6 месяцев назад
Pimax is definitely the least comfortable headset right now. The sheer weight puts a ton of stress and physical pain on your nose bridge while turning the head rapidly, and the scalp areas under the headstrap start to ache after a couple of hours. The only way it can be comfortable to wear is if it had an actual racing helmet form-factor. That said, it has unmatched FoV and resolution, which is extremely important in VR. If you can get conditioned to the unwieldy nature of Pimax, it easily blows out of the water every other headset.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
you realise you aint in the actual fkn car right? lol
@simonoregan4744
@simonoregan4744 6 месяцев назад
You realise we are not actually having this fkn conversation right ? From the looks of it just as well. And yet here we are@@PazLeBon
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 6 месяцев назад
@@PazLeBon Shut up
@nickward5130
@nickward5130 6 месяцев назад
I started on a single monitor on GT5 and ran that for about 7 years before getting a Oculus Rift and loved it instantly. Things have come a long way and about a year ago I went to an HP Reverb G2 and have loved it. No more screen door. No way I could go back. I tried to recently and had to get the headset out. Awesome way to go
@ErnieGaming
@ErnieGaming 6 месяцев назад
I do simracing exclusively in VR since about 2017 and i can't go back.😎 And yes, you have to deal with some shortcomings in comparison to monitors. It can be slightly more uncomfortable wearing a VR headset for hours (or in other words ... it can get sweaty).😓 This also depends on the headset. My Bigscreen Beyond is much more comfortable than a very heavy Pimax Crystal. And yes, you have to handle all your dials and buttons on your steering wheel or button boxes blindly. You have to get used to this, but it's not impossible. And even if your FOV is way smaller than on a triple monitor setup, looking around in VR feels pretty natural and isn't a dealbreaker. All the shortcomings aside, racing in VR rewards you with the best immersion you can get. The virtual world feels 1:1. And because all is in 3D you get a better sense for distances, elevation, braking points etc.
@ballaking1000
@ballaking1000 18 дней назад
I put on a fireproof racing suit covering all but the eyes and nose. VR stays nice and dry while I swim : )
@mgrization
@mgrization 6 месяцев назад
I raced a quadruple stint at Bathurst 12 hours in VR! It was not as though as I thought, I just need a cup holder to have fluids close by. I have very limited space, so triples is not an option. Hardware is really important, going below 80 fps is not good for the head. The new rain system in iracing is freaking awesome!
@supermayneracing
@supermayneracing 6 месяцев назад
I had a quest 2 and did not enjoy VR racing games , it gave me a headache cause it wasn’t clear and felt like I was straining my eyes. However after a mate got a quest 3 and a few discussions decided to get the quest 3. It absolutely blew my mind. I all of a sudden felt like I was in a race. Racing on a screen feels like you are playing a game. But I do agree with what you said once you go into the VR world everything or everyone disappears and I don’t really like that feeling.
@aj2228
@aj2228 5 месяцев назад
I have a very comfy gaming chair and sometimes I fall asleep or take a nap in the game chair. Falling asleep with a VR headset on and waking up is a surreal experience.
@channelvr1293
@channelvr1293 6 месяцев назад
Been using VR since day one ..not going back. This together with a 3DOF system and you are in racing heaven. For sim flying nothing beats VR and a 6DOF. 😉 Ps don't have to change the batteries ever when you use a powered USB hub. Btw discussions about fov is useless in simracing. If you have ever raced with full racing gear (helmet and fireproof gear) you should know it also limits your actual fov. And can get very hot and sweaty. So if you want true immersion VR is the way to go.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
no, real immersion is the real thing, if it iant the real thing, you remve the nasty parts
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 6 месяцев назад
​@@PazLeBonShut up
@merik1991
@merik1991 6 месяцев назад
Triples is actually good if you race and do decals too,because you can have one screen for drawing program,one for to be able to see the car real time and another for inspirations/random show or music playing to get in the zone. :D
@rbzpov
@rbzpov 6 месяцев назад
i just got in to sim racing a few months ago, while pricing out everything i wanted and all different options to be able to build my dream set up over time i decided to go with vr for now, monitors can be pricey and i just went with a quest 2 (cheap and simple option) and i know people complain about the graphics, sure it doesn't look perfect, but to me the immersion with not perfect graphics and a cheaper option than 3 monitors or a nice ultrawide is a great way for me to start while i build the pieces of a full sim around me. might have to put the crystal in my list to look in to down the road when i upgrade
@JZStudiosonline
@JZStudiosonline 6 месяцев назад
I got a used 48" OLED off craigslist for $200. It cost me ~$550 for the low-end quest 3. Somehow that price comparison doesn't quite add up.
@abecede4389
@abecede4389 6 месяцев назад
@@JZStudiosonlineI guess rbzpov was talking about calculating triple screen. So three monitors, and you also need a way to exactly adjust them to your rig which needs a couple of aluminium profiles, VESA mounts etc. It really does add up when considering triples.
@rbzpov
@rbzpov 6 месяцев назад
@@JZStudiosonline quest 2 is 250 and if one monitor is 200 multiply that by 3 brother its not that complicated
@JZStudiosonline
@JZStudiosonline 6 месяцев назад
@@rbzpov It's not $250 new and around here even used it's not less than $350.
@rbzpov
@rbzpov 6 месяцев назад
@@JZStudiosonline its currently $240.68 on amazon
@Vortigon
@Vortigon 4 месяца назад
Make sure you try it in VR first before spending money on a VR setup - on average 40 - 65% of people get severe motion sickness using VR in driving games making it unsable for these types of games - so don't waste your money until you test yourself first, if that is the only reason you are buying VR. Also, constant VR use can be VERY tiring. They can be hot, heavy, and cause visual stress.
@FragEightyfive
@FragEightyfive 5 месяцев назад
I have been sim racing on triples, 49" 32:9, single + multiple projectors and VR. After 25 years of multiple monitor setups, and 8 years of VR, I can say the way you enjoy a sim or video game is incredibly personal and up to the user to determine what they really want. That said, multi monitors usually isn't for the faint of heart. I have a lifetime of editing config files so it doesn't phase me, where the average user that is a lot to ask. VR out of the box or a single projector works the best.
@theprof1t
@theprof1t 2 месяца назад
I think you nailed it when you said ideally you would have both. If money were no object, having both is ideal -- VR when you want more immersion, triples when you want to more comfort and longer sessions. Triples are still immersive! Albeit less so
@Lust4Machine
@Lust4Machine 6 месяцев назад
VR got me into sim racing and I just picked up a quest 3! I could never go back to monitors now with how clear it is!
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
clear lol
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 6 месяцев назад
​@@PazLeBon Shut up Hater
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
@@TRX25EX lmao hate what you muppet?
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 6 месяцев назад
@@PazLeBon Shut up Donkey, jealous of VR users
@greatkingrat
@greatkingrat 3 месяца назад
Wow you covered all of the points really well. I have a Reverb G2 and a RTX4080 and I use it for both sim racing, flight sim, and American Truck Simulator. I am used to VR so I can play for hours without strain or dizziness. One additional consideration for VR is if the user wears glasses, many headsets say that they support glasses but they are pretty awful at it. I instead have lenses from HonsVR that are made with my prescription which is a much better solution there.
@heheani
@heheani 6 месяцев назад
For me the choice was easy: my 1060 can’t run VR well and my eyes lost the genetic lottery for stereo vision. I run triple 24s and love it. I could see myself going to triple 27s or 32s in the future, but that will probably come with an upgrade to my system.
@Qhimadi
@Qhimadi 6 месяцев назад
the thing with VR is that some people cant stand it. But if you can it's the best experience period. For my personnal experience : the first days i could only do sessions of up to 20min, it would make me lightheaded and dizzy, then i got used to it. Some people never get used to it. Being able to see in 3D and actually see the size of your car around you greatly helps immersion and driving, also the interiors are now something you look at before you start driving. I brake so much better compared to when i played on flatscreen plus when you're turning your head it's actually happening. VR needs serious horsepower but once you set it up correctly, you never play flat again. First VR headset was a rift s in 2019, we're in 2024 , i'm using the reverb G2 ( it has flaws but once it's working it's working) and man what an experience. Assetto + competizione mainly for me.
@Callsigntitan
@Callsigntitan 2 месяца назад
I am a flight simmer so I dealt with VR sickness a lot at the beginning, dramamine helped a lot. Once you try VR it's impossible to go back to screen.
@13guns87
@13guns87 6 месяцев назад
I only got into sim racing cos of VR. Before that I played more arcade racing games like burnout over forza ect on console. I played drive club on psvr1. It was really bad but my understanding of racing went up 500%. I ride a motorbike in life, VR gives me a similar view point. I can see the track a lot more, like when I'm on the bike. My levels of concentration are massively increased. It's just a lot more fun imo. When I'm not on VR, it's a single 55 inch 4k TV. I think my perfect set up, is a double 55 inch 4k screen set up. I think a lot don't do triples cos of the cost. Pc powerful enough to run 3, triple stand like £250 plus 3 monitors. Probably about £1k easy. That's buying cheapish monitors. My pc so under used lol. Only for VR. Legion go my pc now lol. Much lower power consumption for pc tasks. On aya2 I got down to 5w lol.
@QrisuMies
@QrisuMies 6 месяцев назад
Also motorbike here :) But planning on going to ps5/gt7/psvr2 route. Everything is cheap and plug and play and no bluescreens and other pc problems.
@Caldwing
@Caldwing 2 месяца назад
I've been playing racing games on and off my whole life, starting before real 3D graphics were a thing. Picking up VR in Dirt Rally 2.0 was like a revelation. I would listen to people talk about all these racing techniques but none of it stuck with me until I could be right there in the car and see the corners coming up. I've moved on to trying more realistic sim driving games and I am constantly surprised by how well I can do. I just can't imagine doing any of it without depth perception though. Being able to look into the turn and then bring the car into alignment with your view as you do when you drive in real life is just so nice.
@brzijoe6700
@brzijoe6700 6 месяцев назад
Just small correction from my crystal experience; hot-swap of batteries kills game and vr in 1second. Often I have to resatart PC to start crystal again. It is my second unit, booth were same behaviour.
@brendanressler4359
@brendanressler4359 3 месяца назад
I live in a 600 square foot apartment and don't have room for a permanent sim rig. Instead I convert my desk with a folding frame and long monitor arm. Triples are a big investment but I would end up paying like $600 a month more in rent just to have the space for it (I could move out to the suburbs I guess but I'm not gonna do that). VR just seems like the perfect solution for that. I can set up my rig wherever I want and have an even larger FOV than I could ever hope to have with monitors. I'm not going to buy a $1000 headset though
@KiLDELTA
@KiLDELTA 6 месяцев назад
I love both my Quest and Pico. I only play VR for SIM racing. True that it will take a while to do the set up especially if one only has mid range set up. But in the end it is so worth it.
@Paulie8K
@Paulie8K Месяц назад
I'm lucky to have both a triple 27" 1440P setup and a Quest 3. I don't really sim race but I love ETS2 and ATS. VR is def more immersive for me so I've grativated towards that for racing/driving games. I had to reduce my desk setup to two monitors recently for space reasons so now the triple isn't an option atm. However, triple is still super cool and immersive if you don't have VR and have the space. I have a one bedroom apartment so space is of the premium.
@kannonfps
@kannonfps 5 месяцев назад
Recently got into vr thanks to my father who gave me is acer ah101 and i'm not going back to triple, it's not the most "fluid" experience sometimes especially when you try to stream but it's definitely worth it if you're looking for the most immersive experience, i'm not playing in any competitive environment so i can't say how good it is but yeah i'm having a blast. One thing to note is that it can get straining really quick though, in my case i can play for about 2h max without a break when in comparison i can play for all day long without a break on triple screens. Time of day also affect (in my case at least) how long i can play, i find that driving night time touge is by far the most straining (even if it's a blast) i think the fact that VR is more straining is a good thing though cause i'm not spending nearly as much time playing but when i do i'm having the time of my life and enjoy the tiniest things like looking to the side to see your buddy flying past you on the shutoko freeway is one of these things. You definitely need a better pc for VR compared to triple or you'll have to lower graphics by quite a lot but it's definitely worth it, i haven't really done time attack yet so i cannot talk about "competitiveness" but overall i don't think it'll be an issue, i think it'll actually be an advantage because everything feels more "real"? Before the VR headset i didn't touch the game for multiple weeks but when i started drifting again in VR the difference was night and day. i guess the break helped in a way but the VR make it so much easier
@johnmann7o2
@johnmann7o2 6 месяцев назад
VR becomes even better with a motion rig. Don’t spend thousands on stationary rigs, button boxes and fancy wheels. All you need is CSL DD, bass shakers, and yaw2 or DOF. Do it right the first time.
@kerryboone6344
@kerryboone6344 2 месяца назад
Just got a meta quest 2 used for acc. I highly recommend, i also only paied 200$ (og price). Thats fine woth me since it worked and had no issues and the metal quest 3 is like 500.
@chinacasher2285
@chinacasher2285 6 месяцев назад
Using both VR (Quest pro) and 32 inches triple samsung. Running these on 4090 and now i prefer triples because of filed of view and it is more comfortable in long distance rasing
@mementomori4972
@mementomori4972 6 месяцев назад
4090 owners are a bit like vegans. They will tell you...
@m.g.9334
@m.g.9334 6 месяцев назад
@@mementomori4972😂
@LargeStyle
@LargeStyle 6 месяцев назад
If SteamVR and discussion of lens barrel distortion compensation is anything to go by, you need higher software resolution to the amount of 1.4x to 1.5x compared to hardware resolution to essentially see native hardware resolution, so the total pixel count for VR in this video is much lower than it should be.
@Coxy-b34
@Coxy-b34 6 месяцев назад
True.
@Devloup
@Devloup 4 месяца назад
many people first experience with VR was quest 2 with original headstrap an airlink, so i understand why they complain but cable link quest 3 and a nice halo strap makes such a big difference, i also use a silicon cover so it goes soft on my skin
@jamesleegte
@jamesleegte 6 месяцев назад
I’m vr only, I’m all about immersion and nothing comes close to vr when it comes to immersion! Vr gets more and more popular as each year passes. It will continue to grow as folks start upgrading their older pcs. Entry level headsets are so cheap now and there’s a whole lot of sim racers upgrading their older pcs to this or last gen gpu’s and then this gives them the option to try vr properly. I see it everyday over the last nearly four years, people upgrade to a 30 or 40 series card and one of their first next purchases is a vr headset!
@humble_simracer
@humble_simracer 6 месяцев назад
I have both vr and triples but I prefer to play on triples.
@gerardsitja
@gerardsitja 5 месяцев назад
The Pimax Crystal light it's about to be released for half the price! No brainer for me...
@Emir_de_Passy
@Emir_de_Passy 6 месяцев назад
Very well put together video. Danke schon
@OverTake_gg
@OverTake_gg 6 месяцев назад
Thank you! ☺️ -Michel
@jase3d1
@jase3d1 4 месяца назад
I've always used a valve index for racing and have had triple 27s and triple 32s .. not until I changed to triple 55s that I think it's as good if not better than VR due to how wide FOV can be where the back edges are already behhind my head. When I put my VR back on, the fov still feels like I'm wearing a helmet. Also had a bigscreen beyond for a few weeks and returned them as they're definitely wasn't as good as triple 55s.
@ddsracingfl
@ddsracingfl 6 месяцев назад
In my opinion, this question about how long you can be in vr…? Triple screen not on your head, this is definitely differents
@tom.m
@tom.m 6 месяцев назад
Everyone will be different, but even with all sorts of messed up discs and vertebrae I can wear an Index or CV1 for 8 hours or more. (Tested via space trucking in Elite.) There are people who practically live in VRChat. Of course it's less comfortable than not wearing a headset, but IMO this shouldn't be what scares people off VR. I've never ended a session because of headset fatigue.
@speedspeederspeedest
@speedspeederspeedest 6 месяцев назад
I have been using both a reverb g2 and a pimax 8kx (flight sims), i get much better performance with the 8kx even though the resolution is higher. What im trying to say is that cheaper vr doesn't necessary mean that you need less "juice" to run it smooth. There are so many variables, how the particular vr-set is working with the rest of your hardware, the chipset of the googles, what sims you are using it with, etc.
@willstuart6666
@willstuart6666 6 месяцев назад
I went from an ultra wide to VR and I can't go back. The thing that nobody seems to mention is the benefit of depth perception. The tracks look totally different and I'm able to learn new circuits so much faster. I'm 2 to 3 seconds faster each lap on almost every circuit with vr because of depth perception. In racing situations I can judge and time my passes so much better with VR. So few yourubers mention depth perception, that I think this might be a subjective benefit, but for me it was absolutely game changing
@oRicardoHetfield
@oRicardoHetfield 6 месяцев назад
So true, i want to comment just that on every sim racing VR videos out there! Depth perception is on another level in VR! i even ended up being way more consistent in my races!
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
i have depth perception, same as i do if i watch a movie, i use my brain
@MartinSchmuckVR
@MartinSchmuckVR 3 месяца назад
Love racing in VR
@Melvatron
@Melvatron 6 месяцев назад
not surprising... Triples or VR (with appropriate GPU/PC Specs) is a massive investment/commitment compared to all the other pieces of kit. VR gang gang all the way though!
@MrKlawUK
@MrKlawUK 3 месяца назад
for FOV I don’t think we need 160 degrees on VR, but some solution for peripheral vision would be valuable - eg lower res LCDs to create ‘motion’ that your brain will notice, and then you can look in that direction for more detail. I think that could help a lot bridge the gap with the triples
@joshprout1726
@joshprout1726 6 месяцев назад
VR is such an advantage. Once you do it it’s hard to go back to flat. For me personally I got much faster under VR, I can brake much later and hit apex better with depth of view advantage
@VaethOjK
@VaethOjK Месяц назад
I'm currently on ultrawide. And because I like longer races (like 100% distance Daytona 500 on NASCAR or 3h endurance races) I don't really see VR weight on my neck for so many hours. Not talking about battery capacity. But I would love to to try VR one day.
@blacknovella
@blacknovella 6 месяцев назад
i went from triples to 49in ultra wide with vr and now back to triples.. and i think im gonna stick this forever. at the end of the day.. triples win. less headaches for me.. its a simple but push and get in rig and start driving.. with vr and tuning it gets annoying real fast. with triples its a one time thing once the adjustments are done w/ the calculations ive never had to worry about it.. and the sim lab zero play and vario mounts are a game changer.
@OverTake_gg
@OverTake_gg 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing your journey! 👍🏻 -Michel
@JZStudiosonline
@JZStudiosonline 6 месяцев назад
I had 24" triples I ran with for a while, then got the G9 neo. But I'm not into it enough to never be able to use my desk so now I have a 48" TV shoved in the corner. VR might be cool for $200, but it really doesn't add anything.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
UWs win
@dathyr1
@dathyr1 6 месяцев назад
Triple screens just take up too much room for me. They are nice, but prefer doing VR - more immersed into the games. Have done VR racing games for many years now and really enjoy them. I do have one large HD display screen for doing many things besides racing. Thanks for the video. Take care.
@xameleon4842
@xameleon4842 5 месяцев назад
For FOV in VR, Pimax 8KX is the way to go. Or, like, was the way to go until it went out of sale. Now waiting for 12K. It's a pity that LITERALLY NO OTHER headset offers a similar FOV.
@gzaos
@gzaos 5 месяцев назад
If I had the space, i ll go triple. It is just simpler, looks better, a lot easier to render and most comfortable. If you don't have the space like me, VR is the next best thing.
@efesiosseisdoze3770
@efesiosseisdoze3770 25 дней назад
I used to have motion sickness. But gt7 with psvr2 was ok. Four days ago I bought the sony adapter to use it with my pc and now I can do 2 hours race without sickness… it’s insane those oled on psvr2…. cant go to my triples anymore
@Armitage574
@Armitage574 6 месяцев назад
did you try the Bigscreen Beyond? its gaining traction within the sim racing and DCS Community fast just because its light and its ease of use. big headsets like that pimax are hopefully a thing of the past soon.. i mean ~1 kg vs 130 g; And iRacing with openXR really works best for VR; I agree with the FOV, but its not that important - VR ist just better than a screen.
@angryant4896
@angryant4896 6 месяцев назад
guys, if you are on a thight budget you should do what I did to completely change your sim racing experience. I have little to no space in my room and I used to play on my laptop's screen, wich was terrible as it's a 16" display, literally smaller than my rim... I already spent all my budget on the wheel and pedals and I was left with 120 euros, that could have got me like a 1080p 75hz crappy monitor, but instead I choose to try and get a used Windows Mixed Reality Vr headset, they go for 60-90 euros and they don't need too much gpu power to run (I use mine with a laptop rtx 3060 at max res (1440) and max fps (90)). You will need a bit of time to set it up as you will have to do a lot of optimization to do in terms of perfomance. But I really think it's a greate deal as it let's you have a much better experience than a cheapo screen and if try it and don't like it you can very easily sell it for the same price you bought it for...
@viktorianas
@viktorianas 6 месяцев назад
VR is on a completely different league what concerns immersion.
@mementomori4972
@mementomori4972 6 месяцев назад
Well, I use both depending on the car I'm driving. I usually enjoy single seaters and open wheelers more in VR and everything else on triples.
@Emir_de_Passy
@Emir_de_Passy 6 месяцев назад
Also, newer headstts (somnium Vr1 and Varjo XR4) allow for mixed relaity environments. So you could see the expensive wheel you bought.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 6 месяцев назад
Or you can just not bother with expensive rims and get the ones that are functional, and focus your spending on the GPU and the base.
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 6 месяцев назад
Quest 3 you just double tap it and it switches to Passthrough easily
@doncarr128
@doncarr128 6 месяцев назад
I dont see this mentioned so much but in VR across all sims the graphical imperfections get amplified for example shimmering shadows and low res scenery textures, overly wobbly windy tree effects etc really brake my immersion. It feels like being in a computer game , where I can see how the illusion is being created . On the triples , these imperfections are harmonised and I can achieve a much more natural looking image to my eyes which gives me a greater sense of immersion. Its hard to explain but for me VR feels like looking closely at the graphical components of the game engine, not the overall scene.
@dataterminal
@dataterminal 6 месяцев назад
VR is like the Matrix. You can't tell someone what VR is, they have to use it. If you only use VR for sim racing once or twice, you might be able to go back to a triple screen setup. If your brain clicks with VR, there is no way you're going back to a flatscreen and still thinking you're sim racing anymore. It'd be like throwing your wheel away and picking up a control pad.
@CSOCSO
@CSOCSO 6 месяцев назад
If we talk about best clarity with Crystal you need to disclose that even tho the headset's display resolution is 2880x2880 per eye but, because if the barrel distortion you need to render the game at higher resolution. Optimal resolution to get best clarity is 4300x5100 pey eye !!!!!!! Now the pixel count your computer needs to render is nearly 22million. Thats nearly as much as triple 4k monitors. Btw same goes for every headset. Quest 2 and 3 you need to set it to x1.5 resolution to have a decent clarity
@TierNoneOperator
@TierNoneOperator 5 месяцев назад
I got my 3 monitor setup for 240 bucks. MSI 27 inch 1080p monitors. They aren't the latest and greatest, but I can't splash out the required amount for the VR headset and system upgrades that would be needed.
@MrJr1976
@MrJr1976 6 месяцев назад
There is nothing that compares to VR. First headset was the PSVR in 2018 before getting the Vive later that year. The Vive was a nice toy, but my PC wasn't powerful enough, the headset was wired, and the resolution sucked. Skip to 2021 and I got the Quest 2. Wireless with a much better screen. I also upgraded my rig. Since then, I have acquired a Quest 3, G2, Quest Pro, and PSVR2. I can spend almost all day inside the headset eating, watching movies, playing 2D games in a theater, chatting, etc. Do you understand the hype of playing Mario Party 6 in a virtual theater with your friends in VR!? It's amazing. Only reason I'd get triples is for games that refuse to work with VR. There is just no comparison
@Ollie-Chazz
@Ollie-Chazz 6 месяцев назад
After going vr, ill never go back. There's nothing like being inside the car looking at the apex of a corner at high speed. Can't get that rush on screens.
@mrchilled85
@mrchilled85 3 месяца назад
i have triples and vr tho when im streaming i just use my triples tho for doing videos and just having fun i use vr i may not have anything as good as the pimax i have the hp reverb g2 with 2160 x 2160 per eye resolution and is great for iracing , microsoft flight simulator and elite dangerous with the hp reverb g2 i find my rtx 4060 powers it fine with a lot of games getting around 90 fps in vr apart from in Daytona on iracing it drops to high 70's but that is fully maxed out settings
@mad-b264
@mad-b264 5 месяцев назад
Anyone who says no to VR ain't had the right experience on VR, And I only got a Quest 2, Gutted I did not get the Quest 3, I really is, I can't go back to my TV screen now, After trying Dirt Rally 2 out, With simple specs, An i5 12600k and a 12gb 3060, I do think the 12gb of vRam is helping the 3060 out, But I got over 60fps and the latency was 3ms and 1ms last night, With High settings still looks great smooth gameplay, No stutters, VR is a total different experience since I been on the PSVR, I payed more for the PSVR than the quest 2, And the PSVR crap, A total waste of money, I have learned over time now, And wasting money on a console, I wish I just got a PC in the first place, Sim Racing is a world apart from using the console, But yeah for a few hundred pounds and a VR ready PC, VR is blown me away, I got the Elite strap with a 500mAH battery on it, Much more comfy, And 8 hours at least of straight gameplay, As a stand alone I will get at least 6 hours.... Yeah I won't be going back to the TV screen in a hurry, AMS 2 is fantastic in VR, I do think so far Dirt Rally 2 got the VR looking and playing the best so far for me, I get issues with ACC at the moment, I done some thing, I cant get the steering wheel straight, It goes to the right a bit, I can't figure out how to center the steering wheel or cockpit in ACC, How do I center it on ACC? Yeah for me VR have changed Sim Racing to another level, In fact it feels like I am learning the tracks again, And can see when the car is going to mess up, The back end swinging out, It is easier to catch, VR would make drifting easier too, I seen a video someone using Beam NG as a learning tool for drifting, For me that is fantastic, But I can't get Beam NG to work on the Quest 2, Please can someone let me know how to get Beam NG working on the Quest 2, I would love to do some police chases in VR..... Yeah I bet when people actually try VR, That person will be nor no way, I am using VR from now on, And the fact you can do multiplayer racing people on AMS 2 online in VR is mind blowing for me, I used to dream of having my own Arcade Sim Racing machine, I blew so many pound coins in things like Out Run, lol, I used to live in Blackpool, And yes I blew a fair few quid in the arcades, lol, Coral Island had a round thing, Jet fighting game, that when upside down all degrees of movement, One of those with a VR headset on, Yeah VR have blown my head compared to when I tried the PSVR and the older Oculus, VR is on another level, And with the amount of things that VR can be used for, A whole new world is being opened....
@clouds5
@clouds5 2 месяца назад
I literally can't drive without VR... :D I have a Pico 4 which cost me 250$ (used). Looks phenomenal. I recommend a high end gpu though. Like 4070tiS or higher (I have 4080s). Because on top of that really high resolution you also want some msaa to get a stable image in VR.
@las10plagas
@las10plagas 6 месяцев назад
so, to me VR is absolutely UBER compared to anything BUT it's still a bit too unconfortable and requires a beast of a PC. a VR headset will cost as much as three good monitors, or even less, but you also have to beef up your PC a lot... if I could just start the game on my PC, put on the headset and go, I would play more VR, but browsing through menues, using steam VR and stuff is too annoying for me 😕
@TDR_Racing
@TDR_Racing 4 месяца назад
From single to tripple was nice...try the pico4 and that it is...but i missed the point from the i, so i take the pimax crystal and thats the point how was missing....can't drive any more on monitor and will not drive on monitor in future...the heat is a nice problem so i have 3 fans to cool my brain😅 the weight is no problem...also dsc is amazing when you make carrier start and fly...so at all try vr...but you can't go back...
@Spider-Man62
@Spider-Man62 5 месяцев назад
It really depends on the game wether I use VR or Single 16:9 screen. Some games are not that well optimized even on my 4080 rig. I am looking to get an ultrawide tho
@TheMrSnipey
@TheMrSnipey 6 месяцев назад
Turned my VR headset on (Quest 2 and Oculus Rift), started the game and have been racing ever since. I have never touched any of the settings. I got 90fps on my old 2080, I get 90fps on my 3080ti. I am consistently faster using VR compared to triple monitors. The space savings are also huge if your room is tiny like mine is. I would like to try triple 55" monitors but I only had triple 24" 1080p monitors. I can't ever see myself going back to triples. If anything, I would just upgrade my VR headset.
@jayk8424
@jayk8424 4 месяца назад
Can you not use the VR headset in desktop mode to display three monitors then size to your own requirement? There wouldn't be any annoying bezels either. VR is the best of both worlds if you can have virtual triples of any size!
@direwolf3972
@direwolf3972 6 месяцев назад
lol Bro, just finished a anime called overtake last night.. cool name and great video! Project Sim Racing uses triple 55 inch oled and he somehow has it where you can't see bezels.. disgustingly realistic! Check it out if you havent yet and keep up the great work Brother.
@barnabyjames
@barnabyjames 6 месяцев назад
iRacing claims that 1/3 of users are on VR - I use 100% VR on a Quest 2 and other than the frequent performance regression headaches it is amazing
@PinkiesBrain
@PinkiesBrain 6 месяцев назад
I use both but I go back n forth. But I guess when the fidelity of VR becomes just a lil bit better then I will definately stay with VR. (I just got an occulus 1) I can also say that even the lighter occulus is a lil annoying after some time. Not only because of weight but also because of heat and sweat. But still overall although I have been there dozens of times - everytime I retry my headset on ACC I think "why do I even use monitors" but after like 20 minutes its always "mh. Image is not that crisp and it is a (tiny) bit uncomfortable though not too bad.
@MattSmith-ks2lc
@MattSmith-ks2lc 5 месяцев назад
VR sounds great but is it a problem since you cannot see the physical wheel?
@renta5177
@renta5177 6 месяцев назад
VR and sim racing go together like syrup and pancakes. I can’t go back to flat…
@urania3333
@urania3333 6 месяцев назад
of course VR is the most realistic, but don't forget the headsets small FOV (around 115°) takes out the "sense of speed" , 200 km/h feels around 100 km/h, compared to real life driving
@theoracleprodigy
@theoracleprodigy 6 месяцев назад
I'll tell you what Pimax is awesome no doubt... They won't stand behind there product though. I have two dead headsets, one was purchased direct from pimax but had tracking issues from day 1. They would only credit me for another headset. Do you think after two dead headsets (tracking issues) I would want another?
@bradmeyers2103
@bradmeyers2103 6 месяцев назад
I have both triple screen and vr and from my exp vr is better but ive noticed im faster with the triple screen. Howeveri find myself having so much more fun in vr just makes me feel like im in the race
@walter.66
@walter.66 4 месяца назад
That is why we use crew chief to hear if cars are next to us :). VR (Crystal) and never go back…
@kolopier
@kolopier 6 дней назад
Eye tracking does not lower the hardware needed?
@ezpz4659
@ezpz4659 6 месяцев назад
Once you go VR you cant go back.
@jasonrebelo181
@jasonrebelo181 6 месяцев назад
Yes, you can. I sold my meta quest 3 and only play on my triples and single now. VR is amazing, for sure, but I have a wife and dogs and like to do things while in the rig, and many more nitpicks for the reasons discussed in the video I was realistic with my choices and got my money back for the meta quest and don't regret it. VR is amazing. But 2k triples is so, so much better for me, for many reasons. From someone who has spent money and lots of lots of time with both. I reply. To Each Their Own. Happy racing
@Sideways_Singh
@Sideways_Singh 6 месяцев назад
Pretty much u sold it to communicate with ur surroundings, which has nothing to do with the actual experience. N the quest 3 is dogshlt. If it aint oled & hdr its shlt ancient tech. Theres vr headset in development that can show u ur actual steering wheel so its mixed reality headset.
@whereta3097
@whereta3097 6 месяцев назад
That's also how my first experience changed my outlook on monitors, not even worth playing a racing game personally on the flats, but I would say practicality is not the best, but the immersion is top tier of any video game
@lenux112
@lenux112 6 месяцев назад
I went also back, problem with vr is that tech is not there yet, even with best set, picture is still blurry, we need like 2x more resolution/DPI and even now graphics cards struggle with current tech. So cards and vr are both only half way to get over blurriness and fps + fov problem. And tbh happy to go back so much easier to just sit in rig without all the VR hassle.
@jasonrebelo181
@jasonrebelo181 6 месяцев назад
Like I said tho, to each their own, VR is awesome but when I had both (and I'll get VR again at some point I'm sure) but when I had both I would heavily favor my triples because max 2k triples is JUICY and the rig is now getting the full GT3 sim immersion treatment which just makes it oooo soo good haha 😂 ... Happy racing to all - no matter how u enjoy it brother
@rocketcityastro
@rocketcityastro 6 месяцев назад
quest 3 is lighter and cleaper and almost the same specs it's also wireless and with a good strap upgrade i can wear it for hours.
@AnomieDomine
@AnomieDomine 6 месяцев назад
I like VR the most but it's a pain to keep working, I'd go dedicated triples if space and cost weren't a factor
@KoniBlank
@KoniBlank 6 месяцев назад
Both but if u want as realistic as possible u have to use vr. It's so close to real racing. Iracing in rain in vr is sooo good and let me feel what I feel in my real kart (kf2) I have a motion rig and it's the cheapest way to do motorsport on a high level.
@EXE-wy2fg
@EXE-wy2fg 5 месяцев назад
Would rumblers help with motion sickness? because there is perceived 'motion'
@hanswurst3811
@hanswurst3811 6 месяцев назад
the batterie issue is a no go for a PCVR Headset for me ... its a cable conenction so i DONT WANT a batterie ... and as i know theres no dummy batterie available to eliminate this issue
@markhiscutt7898
@markhiscutt7898 6 месяцев назад
I've been using VR since the Oculus DK2
@youngyingyang
@youngyingyang 4 месяца назад
If you get dizzy in VR, it's most likely because the frame rate is dropping below 90fps or 11hz... Reduce your graphics settings.
@DaveAdams222
@DaveAdams222 6 месяцев назад
Unfortunately I'm one of the small percentage of people that gets stereoscopic headaches with VR and artificial 3D and am prone to motion sickness. Even with high refresh rate triples, if there is a lot of movement on screen that feels artificial it can affect me. Triples is the way to go and at the end of it all, it's less of a faff to work with overall in my opinion.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
triples will have slower refresh than a single
@NebraskaDownHiller
@NebraskaDownHiller 6 месяцев назад
VR is definitely the way forward but the cost is steep. Need a STOUT computer. Hopefully that will be easier in the future. Cost to performance triple definitely win. However motion and vr are a match made sim racing heaven. Once I got motion I never used my triples again. Quest 3 with 4090 is a beautiful experience.
@andychicago8295
@andychicago8295 6 месяцев назад
VR is the only way to play for me.
@guybrushthreepwood3002
@guybrushthreepwood3002 6 месяцев назад
VR all day, it gives a sense of perspective, situational awareness and immersion that triples can't compete with. Not to mention the power and space savings VR offers vs running 3 monitors. You don't even need a high end headset, a well tuned Quest 3 is all you need to be blown away.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
but shit quality lol
@sheep7255
@sheep7255 6 месяцев назад
You should really see the Somnium VR1, has a huge fov of like 140 if you got the right head shape, and there's a version that even has some fancy mixed reality cameras
@Emir_de_Passy
@Emir_de_Passy 6 месяцев назад
Fov was measured by most users around 120-125. A new distorsion profile has been tested at 136 but remains to be seen if it will be kept.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 6 месяцев назад
lol
@nick_g
@nick_g 6 месяцев назад
I enjoy VR immersion, but find the screen quality isn’t good enough for me. Micro Oled is promising though. The problem is that most of the vr devices are trying to be stand alone. You’re not going to get awesome performance by strapping cell phone graphics to your face. I hope maybe something like the big screen beyond will come out with a higher resolution, wider FOV headset.
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 6 месяцев назад
VR glasses without DP are worse than Trippels. I have Pico4 via USBC and it doesn't run as smoothly as Trippels. I just notice a lack of VR via USBBC or VRDP. And the VOF must be at least 150 for me.
@godzzz_booty770
@godzzz_booty770 5 месяцев назад
nah cause we have the same sweater from holister lol!
@Hilfe
@Hilfe 6 месяцев назад
Krasser Akzent 😄👍🏼
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