Kraft is like "I haven't met another elf in 300 years, I thought I was the last one alive; no one knows who I am, no one remembers what I've done, the whole world has forgotten about me, I'm having a serious existential meltdown right now, to the point I've had to resort to religion and squats to get by; please, _please,_ let me tell you about my life so I'll know someone will remember me, and in turn I'll do the same for you" and Frieren's like "nah, I already did that eighty-something years ago with a random human corrupt priest who stumbled into my glade and took me on a short walkabout with his pals, no worries; oh, and he's been dead for about fifteen years". Poor Kraft.
I don't think Kraft is at all having an existential meltdown. If he was capable of that, it seems like he's already had it and has now decided to believe in the goddess to give meaning to everything he's done. Of course, another thing he could do if he needs it is to go to where his statue is and tell everyone "hey, this is me, and this is what I did for everyone" and basically re-teach what he'd done in the world. People who do great deeds and outlive everyone they did them for need only make sure they remain well known by people and are written about in books. Kraft was more trying to do Frieren a favor there, not himself.
As a Japanese-English bilingual, it’s really interesting to hear the interpretation of the show with an English brain, because I watch and interpret the show (and manga) in Japanese. The “praise” in Japanese has a nuance that’s more for kids. So getting “praised” is something you get as a child, whereas you don’t get praised often as an adult. So what I get from the Japanese nuance is that “you should still get praised for the things you worked hard on, even if you’re an adult (or a 1000 yo elf)”. This “being an adult doesn’t mean you don’t need the things you needed as a child” theme is a recurring theme in this show/manga.
That's very interesting. So 褒める is more a kid's thing. Now I remember Heiter acknowledged he never stopped being a kid on the inside, he just faked being an adult for the people around him. Are there more references or connections I missed?
@@hollyhockgod I think it’s really a Japanese cultural thing, where there’s a conception that if you’re an adult you should work hard regardless of people praising you for it. (Or, adulthood = unconditional hard work) But obviously, even if you’re an adult, you still would want to be recognized and praised for your hard work, you know? And the manga points that out. In terms of “being an adult doesn’t mean you don’t need the things you needed as a child” theme, it’s kind of a spoiler in respect to this episode (it’s already aired though), but getting your hand held for comfort when you’re sick is also one of those things.
別に褒めるって子供にだけ使う言葉ではなくね？大人にも普通に使うし、この作品に関するあなたの解釈は数多くある仮説にすぎないしあなたの持論でしょ？まるで公式の情報かのように言うのはやめてほしいしそもそも褒めるは子供にしか使わないとかもあなたの意見でしょ？海外の人に間違った解釈を日本の文化のように伝えるのはやめてほしい。 Using "praising" is not limited to children in japan. it's commonly used among adults too. your interpretation of this work is just one of many hypotheses, its your personal theory. you should avoid presenting it as official information. The idea that "praising" is only for children is your opinion. you should not to convey incorrect interpretations to people overseas as if they were representative of Japanese culture.
@@9f238 They didnt say homeru is only used for kids, they said it has the nuance that is more for kids, and they r right. Idk abt u, but from my experience it isnt commonly used for adults, this is both due to their reserved culture, and their image of what it means to be an adult. And idk why u got defensive over this, this is very much a cultural thing of Japan. I still rmb a few yrs ago my Japanese frd recommended me a book called "homeru chikara" by Saito-sensei, that talked abt the lack of actual "praising" in Japanese society, and the impact it could have to adults.
@@9f238 so would you say that the nuance that it's usually used for kids isn't true? Because if it is indeed often used to children, then what the original comment said makes sense.
How refreshing it is to see people who try to understand the show rather than build an easy theory about Frieren and then ignore everything that does not fit said theory.
@@hayakueon3230 I've always said that the SoS bros don't form theories- because that would involve actually analyzing the text. No, they write live-action fan fiction that just so happens to be correct sometimes. It wouldn't piss me off so much if they just had a modicum of humility, but I suppose it's easy to avoid humbling experiences if you simply isolate yourselves in a private hug-box discord.
@@animagamer2 Yep. I just so so so hate them doing that. It's almost never entertaining to watch them mainly because they talk over the anime to ''discuss'' the plot while at the same time ignoring the plot. Example: Scene A is explaining/talking about A. Sos bros: Hey what if A is actually B but also C I fucking hate it
Äußerst is pronounced "Oy-serst". In German, it means the outermost of something. In this case, it probably means the outermost civilized city before the harsh wilderness of the northern lands.
Yeah, ß is a sharp s, not a B. It helps if you see it as a ligature of ſs (ſ being the archaic long variant of s used at the start of words or in words with a double s; ss → ſs → ß). Also, unlike B, ß is lowercase, and was _exclusively_ lowercase for the most time. The capital ẞ wasn't officially adopted until 2017, though it's been part of Unicode since 2008.
Can we stop for a second and appreciate how action packed episode we had before and yet this show can be equaly awsome even during such a huge slowdown.
RE: "Tell me about yourself, and I'll tell you about myself"-- in the context of the interaction between Frieren and Kraft, the deceptively simple phrase carries more weight and meaning because I also think it's a conversation between two individuals who have lived a long time and continues to move forward in their own journey. The small talk/basic conversation topics in this case wouldn't even scratch the surface of really getting to know one another. Ultimately, it gets to the heart of living with purpose and being of service to others from a genuine place of kindness. Great reaction, y'all! Looking forward to the next one. 🙏🏻
My take on it was that they're basically just making Stark weightless and then tugging him along with the same TK spells they use to harvest pumpkins and stuff rather than just lifting him outright. Presumably the TK spell has limitations in how much counter-force it can resist, or duration, or concentration that is required that you can't maintain in a blizzard, or something of that sort.
This is how I picture it also....like they reduce starks density to equilibrium with the atmosphere then telekinetically push it along....but that telekenisis has a limit like you said
i was hesitant to watch the full 70min video of y'all discussing what is arguably the least [entertaining] episode of the series but i'm so glad that i did.. i have a greater appreciation of Kraft, and his conversation with Frieren about the Goddess and getting to know your real selves -- something only the Goddess can see and judge -- man, i love this anime.
Something about Stark yelling after Kraft as he leaves tugs at my heartstrings fiercely. It's hard to describe the exact emotions I feel, but suffice it to say that it's, for whatever reason, one of the most impactful moments in the show for me.
Well it might be since Stark will most likely never see Kraft agein in his life, and Krafts says to Frieren that they would she each other agein in some centuries, hense kinda confirming that they would be dead the next time he meats her.
Seen that you wondered if Graf was a title, so I give you the final confirm of this. Graf is the title of earl or count in German so the one betwen viscount and marquis (in german vizegraf and markgraf, from which came the english margrave). I hope it was useful to you
It's a wonderful episode, everything about the interaction with Kraft feels so melancholic to me. He's obviously even way older than Frieren, but we might get a glimpse of what she's becoming at some point. He had great adventures, met awesome people, did remarkable deeds, but noone's still around to remember it. And him. Most of the people still know about the party of heroes now, it's "only" been 80 years. But what about in 2, 3 or 400 years, or even longer? How will Frieren be then? It's so thoughtprovoking.
I always get new interesting perspectives from you guys' discussions, and it's especially good on a show like frieren where there's so many subtle stuff that's easily missed. I can always count on you guys to catch it or make up a really good head canon even if it's proven wrong on later episodes
The song that played before Frieren, Fern and Stark went into the winter, "Bliss" by Milet who also does the ED, was used for the special ED for the first 4 episodes of Frieren when they aired it all at once as a special in Japan. Theres videos of the special ED on youtube that you guys MUST checkout, it perfectly sums up Fern and Frierens relationship with each other and how much they care for each other along with other story aspects as they go off to start their journey to Ende.
There are many works that include elements like battles and comedy, but I think the overall tranquil and relaxed atmosphere is the most charming aspect of this piece.
Kraft saying “you’re young, I used to think like that too” in regards to the existence of the goddess, makes me believe something really traumatic must’ve happened to him in the past. Maybe the loss of a dear friend making him hope he can see them in heaven or something. And that can mirror to frieren really well if so. Also it’s kind of weird a monk didn’t always believe in the goddess.
IMO, I think the barrier that was set up by Flamme has been there since she put the barrier around the plant in the snow and over a thousand years the barrier has kept it safe and maybe humans found that demons don't go beyond a certain point and they begin to have a civillization within it. Mages and Priests may have found the source of it and and have found ways to manipulate it and the oral tradition is not done by the family but by the royal priests or mages.
When you see that symbol in a name it's a German Eszett, which from what I can remember from high school German is basically a 'double S', so it's pronounced with an 'ss' instead of a 'buh'.
No spoilers, but frieren can probably learn a spell not only from grimore but if she sees it use, either personslly or being active like a barrier. Similar to how that demon mage (Cual) kind of figured out on a small scale (defensive spell) just not how to use in a battle immediately.
Spells in DnD that let you levitate stuff usually have a maximum speed that you can move the object by, I'd assume it's the same for the spell used by Frieren and Fern since they always seem to be lifting things slowly even when it's just small debris. So I think the wind speed just exceeds the maximum speed that the levitation magic allows.
The thing with the magic thing is that with every magic spell we have seen them describe, they are very specific?? Like the turning grapes sour, like just for grapes and not fruits in general. So magic is not the solution of all things there is so it's believable (for me at least) that they just don't have all the spells to help them always. It took Frieren this long to get the spell for turning grapes sour, maybe she doesn't even have the spell to make fire.
The interesting thing here is it hints that Frieren is actually very young by elf standards. This is sort of showed by how she can be immature at times while being very mature at others.
Imagine with levitation that it's like a space shuttle in space. It's pretty much floating, and occasionally using thrusters to move. So levitation magic would make something float like gravity isn't affecting it, and then they have it move as if bursts of magical thrusts are moving it.
The reason why demon king wanted to kill elves was probably very simple. Elves most likely have a lot of mana by default and then they live for thousands of years only getting stronger, so demons sees them as a inherent treat. Meanwhile humans have very little mana and (at the time) human mages basically didn't exist, so demons only saw them as a easy prey they didn't need to worry about. I don't think Heiter played 5D chess with Frieren. I doubt he even considered adopting any child at that point and was more joking when telling Frieren his kid might be a mage. He didn't adopt anyone until he met Fern after all and only reason why he adopted her, was because he saved her life and had to take care of her. It seems like he offered to teach her magic, but we don't know why. Whatever he saw potential in her, just thought it'll be good for her or because he remembered what he had told Frieren and decided to make lie come true. Or he could really want to have mage kid, but he never imagined he'd actually have one, so he was half-joking, but now that he had Fern, he figured he'll fulfill that promise. Either way he definitely taught Fern to suppress her mana, because of his conversation with Frieren, but I don't think he ever expected to meet Frieren again. After leaving Himmel's funeral he did say it's probably the last time they see each other after all. He just did it, because it was something that Frieren did and it was useful as proven by Frieren. He only actively tried to trick Frieren once she refused to take Fern as her apprentice. Also it explains why Fern is so much better at suppressing her mana than Frieren, since Frieren started much later and even if she got incredibly good at it over 1000 years, it still takes a lot of effort for her, while Fern learned it when she was little child and so suppressing mana comes much more natural to her and it isn't as taxing on her like on Frieren. While introduction of mage classes could work as a way to judge potential strength of mages, I doubt it's meant to be used as a power scaling of the show. You can be very versatile mage, but magic is still more of papier-rock-scissor thing. There are good and bad matchups and how strong you are can be irrelevant. Also like you suggested, just cos someone has a given class (Fern being 3rd class for example) it doesn't mean it reflect mage's actual level and potential. Also the most important part is that I think it's not as much that Fern being 3rd class mage and beating Lügner is because 3rd class mages are that powerful, but rather it was hammered home that it was specifically because Fern was suppressing her mana and made Lügner underestimate her. It's possible any other 3rd class mage could still kill him, but maybe they'd have much harder time doing it.
I don't know if it's obvious to everyone, but in this anime they use German words for names and titles everywhere. It's funny because I speak German. Sometimes it can be a little too direct. For example, the demon's name was Lügner, and that means liar in German. Heiter means mirthful in German, or when it's sunny clear weather, that's also called heiter. And so on. Frieren = frozen, Fern = distant, Stark = strong.
Maybe we should know that Kraft is considered as one of the strongest character alive in Frieren. A real powerful hero who saved the world from the Mythical Era
I think you're missing the point of that army... the bodies are still there. She controls the bodies, not the armors. So they become unusable when they turn to dust. It's literally a rotting zombie army. This episode almost outright tells it: Kraft was a great hero of the ancient times, so long ago that not even Frieren heard of him. I do wonder what exactly did he fight, also demons? Maybe not, if only by the time of Flamme they were actually named.
I'm not sure if it's Heiter who taught to suppress mana. But, in the earlier episodes (probably ep 1 or 2 as well), you can see Frieren training baby Fern by making a circle in the sand. I'd like to think that's how Fern learned it :D
Guys did Himmel had a wife and children? What if he didn't because he loves Frieren? or what if he did and there will be someone who looks alot like him and Frieren will meet this descendant? I don't know, but as you talked about Fern, it came to my head. Thank you for sharing your journey with the show.
It's hilarious to me that these two have to yell at each other when doing a reaction. It's funny that they talk so loudly you can't hear the dialogue, either. I know they don't read comments but it seems like someone should point them to open ear headphones rather than closed ear ones like they have.
are you here to watch their reaction or watch the anime? why would you need to hear the entire dialogue, especially since they already included the screen with the subtitle for you to follow along?
@@iamai_iggs The issue is that they can't hear each other and Ben screams his reaction. I would expect to be able to hear the thing they're reacting to in part, for them to be able to hear each other, and for their volume to be balanced even slightly.
@@ElyonDominus erhm they still wore their headphones when they did their discussion with eo though, so obviously they heard eo WITH headphones on. if Ben's voice is too loud for you then just turn the volume down???
@@iamai_iggs Then I can't hear her voice. They should increase their production quality. They get paid to do this. It's not even that expensive to buy two new headsets that aren't closed ear. During the reaction one person will say something to the other but they won't hear because the anime is playing and they are using closed ear headphones.
Frieren is actually the one who taught Fern to suppress her mana, it’s easy to forget just how long Frieren has been training and basically raising her for.
Which is not true. When Frieren first meets Fern, she comments how hard it's to track her mana and that she's almost completely invisible. Fern even replies to her "It's a good thing, isn't it?". At first we thought she was just natural at suppressing her mana, but this episode explains that it was Heiter who taught her to do that, because of his conversation with Frieren. Of course Frieren kept teaching Fern to suppress it, but Heiter was the one who already started it.
