Front Sight RESTRUCTURING. My Reaction (PINNED COMMENT UPDATE)

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@TheLateBoyScout 2 года назад

UPDATE: The Restructuring plan met MASSIVE backlash from members, and is currently on hold pending member input and consensus. Apparently ammo must STILL be purchased from them (a big NO from me). I'll leave this video up for now, and add updates to this pinned comment as I get them. We'll see how this plays out.

@billdomb 2 года назад

Piazza seems to be demonstrating some signs of being insane, unstable. And his multiple daily emails are most annoyingly repetitive.

@elainephillips2684 2 года назад

I returned from Front Sight yesterday. You CAN absolutely use ammo that you bring with you. You can also buy from them the amount ammo you will use each day you are there. It was only a few cents higher than Cabela’s.

@jimcannon83 2 года назад

Well said! Front sight has been so sketchy for so long this is the beginning of the end.

@francism9782 2 года назад

Looks like Frontsight took a page out of Disney's book of fleecing customers. 😨

@OldPackMule 2 года назад

Feel bad for the folks that have invested. Bad management. Looks like that may be the demise of the business.

@RossSeymour 2 года назад

This is a huge rip off. As a lifetime Guardian member I am disgusted. Front sight will never get another dime from me. I'm done with it.

@divah01 2 года назад

He sent an email yesterday that was like “just kidding. Didn’t mean it...”

@siliconvalleyca6379 2 года назад

This is unacceptable. If FS makes these changes then my wife and I will end our memberships.

@jdapraia 2 года назад

You mean someone named Dr. Ignatius Piazza ended up not being credible? No way!

@littlejackalo5326 2 года назад

LOL

@littlejackalo5326 2 года назад

One of the first questions on Google when you Google his name is, "Is Ignatius Plazza a real person?" Hahahahaha.

@ludwigmises 2 года назад

Rumor has it that Dr. Ignatius Piazza is starting a new venture with Col. Socrates Gossamer and Duke Benedict Viceroy.

@ronb8052 2 года назад

He is a CHIROPRACTOR......they're master self-promoters.

@spektr540hemi 2 года назад

Good to see a video from you ! Greatly enjoyed the bike ride vid awhile back . Good grief, Front Site has gone down hill !!! Thank you for the heads up !

@elihedden6052 2 года назад

Every time I draw my pistol with a red dot, I find my front sight to find my dot faster at the press out

@sonnygunz9207 2 года назад

I guess they’re putting the last nail in their own coffin.

@jbazan11 2 года назад

Good to hear from you! It’s been so long since I last saw one of your videos! 👍

@fredfellwock 2 года назад

Had good times at FS. Gonna miss the resource. Bet the ammo is $$$$ premium pricing.

@scottminshall6420 2 года назад

Sounds like Front Sight's days are numbered. No way in hell most of the members will go along with those changes.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@a.l.newsome7395 2 года назад

Thank you for the information and breakdown. Just note 📝 watching your videos on Front Sight helped me with seeking training 👍🏾

@trapperscout2046 2 года назад

I've never trained with Front Sight, but a lot of gun guys from my area seemed to have trained with them before.

@drmaudio 2 года назад

And let the lawsuits fly! Their business model seemed to rely on people buying and not using their memberships often, with has questionable sustainability, and it appears it may not have been sustainable. It's too bad it's falling apart, but just for perspective, a Gunsite 250 course is five days for $1800 which doesn't include the required 1000 rounds of ammo (of course you can bring your own). Other top schools and courses are priced fairly close to Gunsite. Given that the $850 or so you would spend for an annual front sight course may still be a decent deal assuming the training is up to par.

@TheLateBoyScout 2 года назад

Well said, and that's an important perspective.

@1111RRR Год назад

I have heard of that place. Where is it located? Have you gone?

@Logan2070 2 года назад

Good to see you posting something EDC/Gun related again.

@snakebite210 2 года назад

Welcome back. Glad to see you making videos again

@RTTGunsGear 2 года назад

I never heard much good about Front Sight to begin with. It was always in regards to out of date training and the instructors being plenty knowledgeable, but just not good at teaching. This video, even though the pinned comment says these plans are now on hold, really just leaves me never wanting to even consider going to FS. Especially having to buy ammo from them. I heard mostly negative for years, and this just seals the coffin. Good informative video.

@ronb8052 2 года назад

I first visited this facility about ten years ago....it took me ten MINUTES to figure it was a bogus facility; nothing but makeshift, hastily-built structures and a bunch of targets. I will never figure out how Piazza talked thousands of people into "memberships" to this place. By the way, I visited again about two weeks ago...although it was closed, the guy at the gate didn't mention an upcoming bankruptcy. I scanned the area from the gate...it looked exactly like it did ten years ago....no resort, no rv park....nothing.

@Ryder276 2 года назад

Thanks for the heads up!

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@HungryScribbler Год назад

Just came back - 7 of us went - 2 were lifetime members that gifted us a membership. We paid $400 each for a 4-day training. It was one of THE BEST experiences I've ever had in my life! I bought and shot my first firearm in March of this year, so I wanted to do it right and my two friends who went for a 4-day in October 2021 really wanted us to try Front Sight. And I can't wait to go back next year. I feel for the members who 'lost' whatever membership offered. Hopefully the 'new' owners can relieve some of that burden and continue the awesome training with Range masters that were smart, articulate, skilled, FUNNY and best of all - patient with all levels of trainees. The curriculum is awesome. Hopefully they maintain what I experienced and offer a 'better' managed membership program.

@mrj3711 2 года назад

Man, great to see a new video of yours.

@mixflip 2 года назад

I used to live in Vegas and my parents lived in Pahrump. I was told to stay away from front sight back in 2008. I didn't know why?

@TheDesertSpear 2 года назад

They are going out of business I think

@jaj9252 2 года назад

We will let our membership lapse if this is their plan. To bad. Had some good times there.

@randallkelley3599 2 года назад

I think this will cost them in the long run. Nickle and dimeing never works. But I hope they make it back into the black.

@furtrapper11 Год назад

I went because of your video. Superb training for dirt cheap. I’m satisfied with the value I received. Guess I’ll never go back

@russream3732 2 года назад

Thank you for the update.

@robertad8433 2 года назад

Welcome back brother

@edgarbolanos6012 2 года назад

Thanks for your updates and all your videos!!! Did you get banned like some of us??

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@charlesperry1051 2 года назад

I don't mind making a prediction. They will fail. You can't build a successful business by strong arming your customers.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@Veritas1992 2 года назад

I never got a good vibe from Front Sight. Seemed way too gimmicky and their spam is incessant. I had to block multiple phone numbers from them and unsubscribed from their email list.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@tom_olofsson 2 года назад

Thanks for the update.

@michaelmendoza1818 2 года назад

I like how the Cobra Adder from the slingshot channel is wrapped on that site, it’s nice.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@Sporkshooter Год назад

Things change. If you take a four day course at Tactical Response, Thunder Ranch, Gunsight, etc. it will normally cost at least $800. The new "new" at Front Sight is certainly competitive. The big question is this, "Is the quality of the instruction as good as these other places?". I haven't been any place else. I'm a better shooter than I was and feel I got good value for the money I spent on a membership, with a few upgrades. I think I spent about $2,000 over a 12 year period and I went 20 times. and brought friends and family with me.

@JCouch444 2 года назад

I never went there because, when I thought about going I started getting their emails...they were so scammy sounding, sales pitchy, carni barker. I said nah, these guys are scumbags.

@ronb8052 2 года назад

I live in Vegas....got a free membership card from a friend....visited the place.....totally makeshift buildings ...knew it was a scam within ten minutes.

@GBGuns 2 года назад

Fortunately it seems that for now things have leveled out to the way they were before, but it's certainly damaged my opinion of a place I've been several times.

@georgemellor4472 Год назад

I have only been to Front sight one time and I had planned on going back for many courses. Was very sad to hear this I’m taking friends for a fun time training. Looks like that’s not gonna be happening now.I had upgraded my membership several times and acquired lots of so-called coupons to bring others. Nothing was ever in print ..they said they had it on their computers..

@jasonbell5564 2 года назад

I've been there a few times and enjoyed the training and facilities but if this goes through, I definitely won't keep the membership. I have to travel quite a distance to get there so I already have to spend a good amount just to get there.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@LoserJJA79 2 года назад

I'd like to know if they reach out to you after this video and try to get you to take it down. If I was a member of that range and they tried this I wouldn't give them another dime.

@ToddTheGunGuy 2 года назад

That is sad brother. Wasn’t part but appreciate you sharing this info

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@kencaz 2 года назад

Wow yeah, I got a commander "Lifetime" membership a couple of years ago and have been there a couple times but never took a class, and I am only 45min from the facility. I do have it say's $500 front site bucks and it still shows I can take any class for free as long as there is openings... I guess as far as what you have stated, it may all be gone soon... We shall see... Oh, he owes me a free knife too... I did also get 3 shotguns from them 4 free so it was not a total loss...

@Sunshine-so2tu 2 года назад

Never got the shotgun. Help alot. Now this. Upset. Out due to can't afford there upgrade. Lost alot of money. Set up my family with fs now we all go down.

@jamesmarshall9420 2 года назад

It may also be that "Mr P..." was planning on constructing a Casino Resort complex as the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute was never seen as the main revenue source for his entertainment empire...

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@linkbond08 2 года назад

I've never heard of this "front sight" place, but I'm definitely not visiting now lol. The only thing that would make this even worse, is if they tried to go after you for taking pictures in their premises, not unheard of from other places.

@Todd_S 2 года назад

I suppose the two-day handgun course certificate I have is no longer valid. Thanks for the info.

@Bergara65 2 года назад

Front Sight is garbage. Train local with Fieldcraft Survival.

@bradyblackburn7877 2 года назад

Man, that just got worse and worse. That's so sad and disappointing.

@furtrapper11 Год назад

I just checked my account and my FrontSight membership was upgraded + I got $1,100 credit!

@bryansparks5032 2 года назад

I feel ripped off!!! I’ve spent 10k on memberships and upgrades and it’s all gone…

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@ianpleshette 2 года назад

Bad news either way they restructure, Members will still have to pay extra. I've invested several thousand in my membership but never had the time to attend, Know that I'm getting ready to retire I was hoping to spend some time out there. Not acceptable! Looks like a major class action lawsuit for breach of contract.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@THESPORTINGCAMP 2 года назад

Wow! Hope you are doing well. Welcome back. 🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

@paul.phillips 2 года назад

Front Sight has become Rear Sight.. bye bye.

@OverOnTheWildSide 2 года назад

I have a lifetime membership from 10 years ago that I’ve never used. Does that mean I’ve lost it? It sounds like it’s all too expensive now anyway.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@sirmykal9764 2 года назад

Sounds like Front sight is done!

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@mtnyoda3257 2 года назад

Wow… this sounds like a very bad deal…

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@bobwampler3387 2 года назад

WTF. Very sad to hear this. I really liked them.😞 So, what do you think of the 2022 KLR 650?

@TheLateBoyScout 2 года назад

I'd love to test ride that new KLR, but I doubt I'd replace my 2008 685cc (upgraded) KLR with it.

@bobwampler3387 2 года назад

@@TheLateBoyScout 👍

@jb4109 Год назад

Piazza sent another email a day or two ago. I would love your take on it. Cheers

@westernoutpost4154 Год назад

Sounds like Mr 🍕 was spending too much money at mister butterflies!

@mikenauta6150 2 года назад

I am a member, but after complaining to them about getting several emails a week for years they changed some setting on my account to only receive important emails. I NEVER received this one. Just triple checked. Last email from them was in October.

@berns_pratt 2 года назад

It's not just you. I'm also a member and just ignored their constant emails. I went thru my emails today and I also did not receive this email.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@raudi 2 года назад

How about a "what happened to late boy scout " video. Long time no see.

@DamionJR4923 2 года назад

I think he was burnt out. RU-vid ad apocalypse was also demotivating. I believe he wanted to focus more on family. I miss his channel but I understand.

@rockyaz4058 2 года назад

WOW....That's really sad to hear, I'll miss going there, they'll lose lots more 💰

@littlejackalo5326 2 года назад

I couldn't imagine spending $1k-2k on training (plus another $500-1000 on ammo for the class), unless it was 1 on 1 training. The value prop just isn't there. That's just was too much money for something you'll likely go a lifetime never using. Taking a 2 day course it's basically useless. It's like wanting to learn how to play the guitar and taking 2 classes. So you'd have to spend $15k-30k to even have the training be worth anything. Spending the money on ammo and a range membership that has a dynamic course, watching some RU-vid training videos, and practicing for 20x the number of days, is far better.

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@ddiver7908 Год назад

They lowered their standards to get DG. I think they should have kept the standards on the DG high to weed out those who really shouldn't be in an advanced class.

@tradbowyer1975 2 года назад

glad to see a video from you as sad as this video is but I predict FS is going bye bye

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@frankhinkle5772 2 года назад

It sounds like they want to get rid of the members because they can fill their classes with new people who are paying more. Very sad.

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@randallkelley3599 2 года назад

Better read the contract. A contract must be equal to both parties, that is one cannot change the contract unless so authorized by the contract.

@ronb8052 2 года назад

Pizzaface just filed for bankruptcy....so much for your contract.

@pmurphy12667 Год назад

I always believed in Dr Piazza over the years as a visionary and it seems he lost his way. Perhaps in his own doing who knows but being a Veteran and having a lifetime membership I guess we are done. Very sad indeed! A lot of people lost a lot of money and belief.

@ThisPageIntentionallyLeftBlank 2 года назад

Well… never going to one of their courses… I’m not buying ammo on-site

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@jtaylorb88 2 года назад

And they actually think this is going to keep them alive they are insane thinking that for sure. I'll just go ride my motorcycle then put out a dime for them.

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@naiboz 2 года назад

Let’s get on to the important stuff When are you uploading more music to Spotify ?

@RangerCaptain11A 2 года назад

my son and i painted the asphalt driveways for our neighbors, then we painted out into the street part way, then we connected them to give a clean look to our houses. no one thanked me ( i didn't even charge anyone ), including the city -- no one said a word. in their defense, none of the neighbors or from the city asked me to paint. should i complain about it? LBS, how many of your 213,000 subscribers joined you because you did those FS videos? and truthfully, the restructuring was brought about in two phases where everyone was offered: 1. a yearly $500 fee, and business as usual, but when only 10% responded, 2. the daily fees, etc. you described. we all could have been on 1. but too many short sighted cheapskates were hollering 'that's not what i signed up for!' so its 2. or nothing. the members got the FS they got by neglecting the warnings and pleas. on what planet would you get that much value for next to nothing? frankly i'm surprised it lasted as long as it did!

@0BAAC0 2 года назад

Hmmm... Didn't hear about any of this. Just checked my account. Courses now $1,000-plus, lots are $2,000. Not totally out of whack, but I don't know that the instruction there (I've been there a half dozen times) is worth that. Glad to see my membership is basically worthless now... Wow.

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@markadams7597 2 года назад

Welcome back, finally....

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@Doc.Holiday 2 года назад

I first joined FSN in the late 90s. I thought it was a PONZI scheme then, but it just went on and on and on. I last went last year, but based on what your saying it’s now out of my league. Anybody want to buy my membership? Kidding…

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@rogervoyles7726 2 года назад

F front sight

@bayardocaldera 2 года назад

Looks like they will be out of business sooner than later

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@maxmccain8950 2 года назад

Been there twice. We’ll worth the money then. Sounds like they’re going under. Sad.

@DrrrtyDee 2 года назад

There are 100x's better places to get premium training.

@marshaldavis6566 2 года назад

Farewell FS👋😎

@Ken-eh4hh 2 года назад

Sound like they're going to price themselves out of business. There's no way I'd pay that much money, when I can go elsewhere for training at much reasonable prices. They're just ridiculous in my opinion.

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@xusmico187 2 года назад

what happened to the housing community they were building?

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@ronb8052 2 года назад

If you ever believed that, you also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

@sardot4960 2 года назад

It's changed again, for the better, maybe. Read the latest email from the good doc. If you do nothing, nothing changes in your membership. I'm at FS this weekend, bought into the Gold Star deal, got the 5000 F$ bucks. Although I can only purchase the ammo I need for the current course, using the bucks the cost is 10 cents on the dollar, plus tax on the retail price. Can't beat that price on ammo anywhere. Can still use my own ammo too. The pro shop has a lot of good stuff, not just a few xxxl clothes, and lefty holsters, as in years past; armory still has a lot of stuff; all for what works out to be 90% off plus tax when using F$ bucks. So apparently I'll be charged for future courses, don't know if I can use the bucks, don't know yet what other benefits of the Gold Star deal are to come, or what the Coins are good for.

@TheLateBoyScout 2 года назад

Thanks for the input. I've been following those updates, and may make a follow up video.

@jimbouchardiii Год назад

These posts really make me scratch my head. You, enthusiastically, offer the following: - You rallied to Frontsight's call to provide the equivalent of financial CPR; - The Doc that prescribed the emergency CPR (the same Doc that created the emergency condition) is a "good doc"; - You got "the 5,000 F$ Bucks" (described in the e-mail as being worth an actual U.S. dollar each, so ... $5,000 value for a $50 maintenance fee); - You can actually spend that entire $5,000 right now for ammo purchased through Frontsight; The meaning of all this is that: - Frontsight's terrible path toward an, admittedly, awesome vision was paved with poor financial decisions (can happen to any venture); - In an attempt to survive the consequences of that, FS has hand-out-begged existing members to make ... poor financial decisions; - Here's the kicker: to incentivize this, FS is promising that those suckers (or leaches, whichever shoe fits) can get cheap products which FS already spent its embattled funds on in amounts far, FAR greater in value than what the suckers (or leaches, again) have provided Frontsight. And you call that "good doc". I'd call it "serial malpractice".

@sardot4960 Год назад

@@jimbouchardiii that was six months ago, and the situation at the time. I had signed up for a class before the meltdown, and took advantage of the offers at the time that I was there... I'm not going to pass up a bargain when I see it. Not my fault if it doesn't make financial sense to FS. Most of the deals offered over the years never seemed to make financial sense, unless the goal was to get large numbers of people to buy into them and then not make use of the deals. But when he flooded the market with memberships for next to nothing, and thousands showed up and didn't spend a dime at FS it seemed apparent it was unsustainable. I am surprised it lasted as long as it did. Personally, I spent upwards of $15K at FS. Considering that I took 25+ courses, received several good guns, and lots of other merchandise and ammo, along with many courses taken by my kids and wife, I did pretty good and have no regrets. Yeah, the "good" doc could have managed it better financially. We'll see if FS survives with it's current situation...which I haven't been following lately.

@xusmico187 2 года назад

just go to Gunsite.

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@1111RRR Год назад

I always wondered how front sight was able to meet its monthly expenses such as payroll without charging its members a monthly fee on top of their initial membership fee. Once you collect from somebody and not charge them anything else, you have to sell more memberships in order to meet your ongoing expenses. That’s the definition of a Ponzi scheme. I’m not sure why they need to charge this much. They literally have thousands and thousands of members. They probably could charge each member a small fee like $25 a month and cover their expenses.

@tomkent609 Год назад

John Wesley, but then how do you pay for more vacation homes and fuel your personal plane, etc., etc., ad nauseum?

@1111RRR Год назад

@@tomkent609 I agree Tom, but here is the question. How can Front Site sell a lifetime membership for a one-time fee yet continue to pay its monthly ongoing expenses? I have been wondering that for the last few years. The way it is set up is almost like a textbook Ponzi scheme. Wouldn't it make more sense when selling lifetime memberships to require, (like time-shares do), to require an annual reasonable maintenance fee? From what I have heard, there are 260,000 members. If you charged each $200 a year, that would equate to over fifty million dollars. Personally, I purchased two lifetime memberships. If paying $200 would have been a requirement as a lifetime member, I probably would have done it. Fifty million in revenue a year undoubtedly would have prevented Front Sight from encountering financial difficulty.

@tomkent609 Год назад

John, I know you can see the sarcasm in my stated question. You're correct, the simple reply you gave is an absolute answer to the 'problems' referred to by FS. 200$ per year is mote that enough to fund their operating costs, and then some. But perhaps not enough to satisfy the top dog. I think you know what I mean by that.

@1111RRR Год назад

@@tomkent609 Top Dog, as in Piazza? Well it just seems like there’s an easy solution in paying about $200 a year. But Front Sight trying to charge $500 a year plus $100 a day to take a class is just obscene. That’s pretty much the same as paying full retail value for the class. It’s too bad that us, as members can’t all get together and do something since there’s a quarter million of us.

@theunofficialresults231 2 года назад

Sinking ship.

@textme0502 2 года назад

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@jfalken86 2 года назад

Oh boy, that kook Ignatius Piazza is going to come after you for this one!

@mykalbee 2 года назад

Bye Front Sight.

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@billdomb 2 года назад

Feel pretty defrauded from all my support and investment and CREDITS in the past. Pretty useless now.

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@boilermatt 2 года назад

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@TheLateBoyScout 2 года назад

This is my reply

@speterj 2 года назад

a sucker is born every minute. most of them carry guns.

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@Kenn1969 2 года назад

Longtime sub here, the tone I heard in this video was…you are pretty butt hurt that you gave them free promotion and they aren’t giving YOU anything in return. If they did /do I wonder would this video have ever been made or will it just go away?

@charlesperry1051 2 года назад

You are pretty tone deaf. The tone of the video was....Front Sight is screwing their long time members by adding a ton of additional fees.

@littlejackalo5326 2 года назад

You sound really whiny. Are you social with FS? Or do you whine everytime someone brings something like this to light?

@Kenn1969 2 года назад

@@charlesperry1051 Well, when i hear, "I gave them all this free publicity..." kinda sounds like he's pissed about that and how can they do this to me after what I did, maybe not. Just my take.😇👍