Frosty vs Robin | QUARTERFINAL 1 | SBX KBB21: Loopstation Edition

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Frosty and Robin face off in the first QUARTERFINAL BATTLE of the SBX Kickback Battle 2021: Loopstation Edition! Here is the complete battle with all 4 rounds of unmatched creativity and spirit! What an amazing start to this competition... Who do you think won?
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@swissbeatbox 2 года назад

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@verysalim3832 2 года назад

Robin winner

@paulovitor9201 2 года назад

@@verysalim3832 never

@paulovitor9201 2 года назад

@@verysalim3832 frosty winner

@paulovitor9201 2 года назад

@@verysalim3832 no question

@VietNamgamerThegamehasbegun 2 года назад

@@paulovitor9201 robin winner

@ryansmallwood1178 2 года назад

The bar has been raised so high by this battle, can't wait to see what everyone else brings.

@hashemsioufi8521 2 года назад

This battle is unjudgable. Whoever wins, I'm happy.

@Mr.JeffreyEchala 2 года назад

Yeah, me too at this point.

@jnadc 2 года назад

Same

@dizzynewts584 2 года назад

I'd say good luck to the judges then lmao

@hashemsioufi8521 2 года назад

@@dizzynewts584 ya true lol

@alfabadass7839 2 года назад

Like 69 NICE

@KBAMusic 2 года назад

This battle proves to me that loopstation has progressed to the point where it’s realistically not judgable. Looping has progressed to the point where one can make EDM at the level of producers, and songs at the level of artists. And it’s done only with the human voice LIVE. Loopers will in the near future be playing at festivals, mark my words. EDIT: yes I know that a few loopers have played at festivals in the past, but it's far from the majority, with the way loopstation is going right now I believe a larger number will.

@snoopyr1953 2 года назад

My views on loopstation completely changed right after I heard Oxygenic, now it's at this level. Crazy. Anyways, I think you have a high chance to win KBB!

@ajesco 2 года назад

Loopers have already started playing in festivals! Saro, for example, had an amazing music festival performance back in 2017, but I'm not sure if the video is still around. Completely agree, however

@mrdragtrucz8699 2 года назад

I agree

@beegy_7060 2 года назад

I mean to be fair I’d jam out at a festival to this 🔥

@leeyon8057 2 года назад

Lol you just want frosty to win but you know Robin was better... uNjUdJaBle

@ashkankazemi2758 2 года назад

Most impressive part about the loop is that its live. I will never get over that.

@b_insane Год назад

And your pfp define this very well

@geogeo08 2 года назад

This battle is impossible to fairly judge, it’s a matter of taste and opinion. If I had to pick 1 it’d be robin but I see why people would pick frosty

@kvmikoto8785 2 года назад

Because frosty try to be a second Inkie

@kvmikoto8785 2 года назад

@Ivorenzo robin also have this unique style and atmosphere that no-one has, it's another level to pleasure to listen his routines. Its like, i wanna play Far cry primal then i listen to this😂

@geogeo08 2 года назад

@@kvmikoto8785 yea, the devices aren’t rlly a deciding factor but the fact that frosty is doing a style that a lot of others do and robins style is completely unique is

@Mr.JeffreyEchala 2 года назад

It feels impossible to pick a winner from this one holy shyet.

@ryansmallwood1178 2 года назад

I mean they just assign points based on the judging criteria and add them up. Both are amazing for sure, but I think Robin will pick up some extra points in categories like showmanship and end up taking it, but I dunno if the judges will see big gaps in other areas.

@winterfeld2458 2 года назад

If beatboxing Solo and Loop evolves like this for another year it‘ll take over humanity. This is absolutely insane from both sides…

@anordinaryguy4742 2 года назад

Robin's 2nd round is an absolute masterpiece.

@nightmare410 2 года назад

Metal vs Orchestra

@SplinterMusic 2 года назад

@@nightmare410 Frosty use metal?

@elektro572 2 года назад

@@SplinterMusic dubstep or edm

@NZLDevil 2 года назад

Honestly thought that was the weakest round out of the 4. Had good visuals but spent 3 mins building up the song.

@ajesco 2 года назад

@@NZLDevil I totally disagree. I believe the best songs made on loop are also entertaining in the "buildup" phase (Saro's loop rounds, for example). Robin's entire track was meditative and beautiful. But I actually found his drop to be weak in comparison to the entire rest of the track.

@maeniquin1209 2 года назад

Both of them are such an amazing artist. Robin showed us how beautiful and cozy the art of loopstation can really be and Frosty showed us how dark and aggressive it can be. Too bad only one of the artist can win. Whoever the judges choose, I will support their decisions.

@clintttt2432 2 года назад

agreed

@accelfox 2 года назад

I wish the judges and competitors the best of luck during this whole competition! The fact that there are still more battles in the future is just exciting and mind blowing to me! 🔥

@MirsaBeatbox 2 года назад

Historical battle 🔥🔥❤️

@Blaze72sH 2 года назад

Waiting for your rounds, man

@amoshachhamimusic 2 года назад

Mirsa we need a diss track

@markorides_ 2 года назад

I WAS SO SCARED OF FROSTY! He's aggressiveness! His possessed look!😯

@cherls15 2 года назад

Lololol I like how he does those facial expressions, it's funny to me.

@deft5180 2 года назад

This for me is literally NME VS INKIE 2.0 . Such a similar battle when it comes to Looping skills & style.

@gasparbury 2 года назад

1 - For me, this is Robin's. He's a battle monster. No mistakes and brillant musicality. 2 - Frosty is the future of looping. His 2nd round will certainly be on placed on top tracks . This track could be played on a GBB final, easily. 3 - (and most important) Frosty is a real looper, dispite what Robin said on his 1st round. Maybe he is one of the bests out there. He's creativity and hability with production are so special. I think that Frousty could answer that diss with a proper response.

@thedude9534 2 года назад

Too pity that he played it at semi-finals, but still a good routine choice, final supposed to be more way epic if he did it so against the bizkit

@walle020 Год назад

@@thedude9534he was probably playing safe. He didn't want to risk losing to Rythmind, so he played his best track

@fernandixo8937 2 года назад

This makes me feel so amazed about how much the beatbox community has developed in the past few years. I'm happy to be able to hear such incredible pieces from Robin and Frosty. This is only quarterfinal although it feels like a real final, BIG UPS!

@idontevenknowbro 2 года назад

This is only the first quarterfinal and I already love this Kickback Battle. Such amazing rounds from these two legends. 👑🔥

@orbius_beatbox2383 2 года назад

Who's ever gonna win this one.... It will never be fair. I could see both of them win this one. The level of loopstation became so high and this is just the start of the mk2. Both made amazing music and there is just no way you can judge this. Its all gonna depend on the judges music taste. (and unfortunate some judges are still making there decision based on that they prefer only the mk2 instead of a 2nd device, aka not fair results) But besides that.... I really enjoyed this battle and both shocked me with there 2nd rounds in a different way. Goodluck to both of you and I can't wait for the results!! 😁🔥

@optimalilusion6250 2 года назад

I was just saying next few years with this mk2 are going to be some crazy stuff coming out

@RyleeValorant 2 года назад

Honestly : Both have such high chance to win. I could not decide! this battle was insane !

@bryanting3842 2 года назад

It's a hard decision but Im simp for Robin. Really like Robin's second round 😊

@Edubluues 2 года назад

I think if Robin loses now, he'll still have left a historic round

@mirulscott870 2 года назад

@@Edubluues yep I agree

@GenexCraL 2 года назад

yeah right i think so too

@Phrax_loop 2 года назад

One of the best online loop battles I have ever seen

@GreaterOperator 2 года назад

I love this style for loop battles, no lag. Robins 2nd video really up'ed the game for videography. Love both participants, thanks sbx... These morning uploads make the days better🔥❤️🔥

@bahtiyartalasov6044 2 года назад

when I watched this video, I felt as if I had been in dark and hardcore places, then in bright light and beautiful places, then again in some hardcore places, and again somewhere where there is no worries. thank you guys for such a great trip. both of you were great and I enjoyed listening to both of you.

@vbj9271 2 года назад

I’m not a loopstation-person, but I gotta admit that these are masterpieces

@FumfelDudi 2 года назад

Crazy battle and i absolutely love it !! Keep on going guys ! Content you create is fire !

@RandomCommenter9 Год назад

Never forget this battle.

@lorenzosaffioti6429 2 года назад

Frosty is battling both Robin and the Inkie demon that possessed him during the first round, very proud you could get it out for the second round

@fraj3106 2 года назад

frostys first round was a track he made back in 2018 before inkie made his track which is strangely similar to this one (pun intended).

@cosmic1815 2 года назад

@@fraj3106 bro Inkie legit made his strange routine in 2018 ThAts also how he got big in the community

@sheppardproductionhd9814 2 года назад

cringy

@breakerone1927 2 года назад

Idk what the inkie reference is but frosty's first round was other worldly with how good it was.

@shivamdas1801 2 года назад

How do you even judge this lmao.. two totally different genres and two totally different artists who're masters at their craft. Good luck to the judges.

@reiito8727 2 года назад

Both were insane, but for me there is something really special about Robin second round. It literally felt like it came from a movie ... The emotion and atmosphere were just out of this world. Didn't feel like a round for a competition but more like a message ... One of the best thing i heard in Loop, and the best of Robin to me. Great Stuff. And the video where he is travelling around nature on top of the car add so much to it. In the end it really come to the taste of each person to judge this. Both were at the peak.

@jimyb89blancorodriguez13 2 года назад

One of the best battles! Big ups to frosty and robin! 👏🏻

@felixedvard9549 2 года назад

Robin's first round had been stuck in my head for the last 2 days!!

@969dramstik 2 года назад

Right??? I literally heard it in my sleep cause its so catchy

@RandomCommenter9 2 года назад

My god same I can't get it out aha

@quintingoynes704 2 года назад

Playing my game Playing my game P L A Y I N G M Y G A M E

@ahmadsoleh7900 2 года назад

The secound round had been stuck in my head until now😅

@somegaykid5500 2 года назад

He just playing his game

@arcreehysteria9805 2 года назад

The fact that beatboxing is mainly done in a battle format is really good for the community because it makes us improve a lot but we are getting to a point where we will want to organize festivals and concerts

@ARCANODESINE 2 года назад

i hope so, can't wait till it become mostly an music event rather than a battle

@pillowsnuggler9271 2 года назад

I remember GBB 2019, when Soso was against Beatness. I honestly felt that conflicting emotion of who to vote because of their differing styles. Nevertheless, both Frosty and Robin were hella good here.

@milzmusician 2 года назад

Beatness 2nd round really sunk his chances. And Soso won the crowd ez

@yassineabdi4141 2 года назад

Hands down 🙌... This is the best loopstation battle intill now ❤️

@Simo1453. 2 года назад

The one who wins this battle gonna win the whole competition to btw if i need to chose one of them i will probably chose frosty damm that second round was INSANE

@moradk6907 2 года назад

maybe not...cause sounds like both of them already used one of their best rounds.💁🏽‍♂️

@moradk6907 2 года назад

@h_ykx we'll see...I'm a fan of psn...although he has one device I hope he"ll win.

@hebt9mlk 2 года назад

every-time I remember that looping and beatboxing (specially looping) have no limit I feel hyped for the future, every-time we see a mind-blowing level it would be nothing compared to the level we are going to. I love beatbox.

@TheStudioMouse 2 года назад

years ago this would have been an epic final at GBB. The level has become so high I feel like I'm dreaming. I hope when I go to heaven all my favorite loopers will be performing

@Neon1880 2 года назад

Nah at GBB frosty would’ve destroyed Robin. Robin will most likely win this battle because it’s online. Robin is a pure artist, all about the emotions, but GBB is also crowd control, which frosty would take

@sridhar7251 2 года назад

@@Neon1880 now we know this statement of yours maybe true or is 60-70% true as that frosty 2nd round destroyed ryth

@essdii8371 2 года назад

Their styles are so good that It's gonna be hard to judge.

@aryanbhatia8679 2 года назад

Robins musicality is off the charts.

@rei_loopstation 2 года назад

veryyyyyy good battle! I can't imagine which's win

@nitroreacts6599 2 года назад

Incredible Battle, Big ups to both Frosty and Robin! But the setting in both of Robins rounds are so unique! What incredible creativity.

@eliottpeters 2 года назад

this battle is so difficult to judge… the power of the two is just insane and they both deserve to win

@totalblur123 10 месяцев назад

Imagine a loop tag team Frobin/Rosty

@eliottpeters 10 месяцев назад

@@totalblur123 it would be mind breaking

@TheStudioMouse 2 года назад

I feel bad for the next battles, the bar has been set to the absolute highest. GG

@TheStudioMouse 2 года назад

This battle was EPIC! literally feels like a final. Frosty is a savage but there's something about the human emotion in Robin's rounds that you can connect with and take you to another place. For me this was very close but Robin has the win

@tuinheckies 2 года назад

Me: This is going to be one hell of a ride 🚗 Robin: Hold my loopstation 🔥

@aSinisterKiid 2 года назад

This was a good battle. Personally my vote would go to Robin. His creativity is top notch and the way he utilizes the 505 is spectacular. He is a master of actually "looping" with the machine and both of his rounds were beautifully done.

@arcreehysteria9805 2 года назад

"This was a good battle" is an understatement

@the.mr.beacher 2 года назад

Frosty wasn't looping? TF

@fragmentt1348 2 года назад

@@the.mr.beacher yup,almost 0 beatboxing.

@the.mr.beacher 2 года назад

@@fragmentt1348 and Robin's does?

@enzoesh2244 2 года назад

@@fragmentt1348 He beatbox but with some very very strong effect. It's a loopstation competition, not a A cappella competition, so the objective is to do the best loopstation track even if it not sound human. But yeah I know what you mean by "0 beatboxing"

@drenis0 2 года назад

Best online loop battle i ever heard

@emiliogatica2498 2 года назад

This battle is crazy! How do you even judge it? I myself would say is impossible for me to properly judge this, so I really hope the judge's technical knowledge come in clutch. Anyway, congrats to both, you guys are making history here. Also, lets get these guys to Tomorrowland!

@Andrew17B 2 года назад

i see this being a split decision, i think inkie will vote frosty, saro will vote robin, and rythmind is a toss up. their styles are so different, and both are top tier at what they do! my vote personally is frosty because of my preference of styles. however, i wouldnt be mad if robin won. i guess the judging all depends on the score cards too, not sure if theyre doing total points, or just each judge votes for who they gave more points to. if its completely points based, i think robin will win, as frosty had more that he could improve on, such as the mix, especialy for the vocal parts, they were quite pushed back.

@FlamedRunner 2 года назад

I totally respects everyone's opinion about these rounds, and I agree with most of you in here in terms of the track that it comes to personal preference on who would win this battle. However, considering this is a video battle as well, Robin will win this one 100% in my opinion. I mean come on, the man records a track on top of a driving car, if that that's blow 'showmanship' points off the charts idk what will.

@edtoolx 2 года назад

@ryansmallwood1178 2 года назад

I strongly agree, if it was just a gut decision its close, but I feel like when you go through the categories and add up the points Robin wins easy. If anyone neglects some of the categories they're leaving themself very vulnerable for their opponent to grab the easy points, you can't win on showmanship alone, but ignore it an you'll fall behind. Robin went above and beyond in all categories I think, and even if Frosty scores higher in some areas, I don't think it will be close overall. The point of a competition like Kickback is to explore other possibilities when battling online, if people don't do that, it becomes just a second rate GBB without a crowd. The judging will favor competitors who make great musical video battles, and Robin I think clearly did that.

@MrSpud-qe6eo 2 года назад

So basically you are saying that Robin receives extra points by sitting on a moving vehicle? Dumbest reasoning I've heard

@ryansmallwood1178 2 года назад

@@MrSpud-qe6eo They signed up for an online video battle, of course they're judged by the video production, its right there in the judging criteria given out when they agreed to take part. "A performance that utilises these elements combined with interesting visual aspects will also give extra points (visual creativity in the performance). The more confidence and character displayed, the higher the points scored. Visual additions that add to the character of the performance and highlight the music will gain extra points. How much is the artist painting a picture of the musical piece? Setting the scene and creating a vibe that fits the musical piece or routine. The more the visual aesthetic of the routine matches the musical elements and creates a scene that lends itself to the music, the higher the points scored."

@PrambudiDamDamDudiDudiDam 2 года назад

@@ryansmallwood1178 i'm agree with this 💯

@m0nst3r80 2 года назад

Very difficult battle too judge, both have different styles and both make incredible music. Big ups to both no matter who wins!!!

@f-twelve7155 2 года назад

Whoever gets chosen I won’t be disappointed, they were equally godly, can’t wait to see who’s moving on

@r0tu936 2 года назад

Yo, what an epic battle. Also kinda reminds me of battle NME vs INKIE at GBB 2019. All have very unigue styles it is very match to judge, both did very good job and I hope, no, I know we will hear even better masterpieces from these two❤️❤️

@amperormusic7125 2 года назад

Both of the second rounds are such high level tracks!!!!! Big ups to Robin and Frosty!!! and best of luck judges lol

@ahmadsoleh7900 2 года назад

Robin second round is a masterpiece, so emotional!!!

@sumenetamusic8445 2 года назад

Sick battle

@nanthipat1 2 года назад

I love Robin's rounds, it's smooth and clear or nature, Frosty's style tends to focus on the elusive loop technique.

@MrSupermecton 2 года назад

Ce battle vient d'un autre espace interstellaire, et les mecs ont chacun un style qui vient vraiment d'ailleurs. Bravo Tout le Monde !

@anotherjesus2596 2 года назад

I have to say that i absoluteley love Robins stuff and normally Frostys Loopstation rounds arent really my taste but both Rounds of Frosty are absolutely insane and definitely belong to my favourite Loopstation Rounds of all Time espeacially the second Round is incredible

@etormesa 2 года назад

they are insaneeeee

@vizz2905 2 года назад

The level of this first battle is completely insane. I agree with most that this will be a matter of preference over the skills. If I had to choose, it'd be Robin for responding each time and the overall singing skills! But Frosty's originality surprised me - keep on going, both of you! You've made it VERY interesting for the other rounds to come :)

@cherls15 2 года назад

This is going to sound very cheesy but I can't in any way say that one is better than the other here as they are both such masters, absolute beasts at their craft. Frosty blows my mind with his depth, accuracy and creativity. Robin blows my mind with his depth of soul, range, vocals, the emotion I feel from his music... Stunning. The two of you are an absolute privilege to watch again and again and again and again.

@aliandobrin1178 2 года назад

Huge damn love to Robin. You warm up everyones heart with that impressive chills. Frosty's 2nd round was awesome, but im more into vocal music🤩

@jeyr3141 2 года назад

final boss vs cinematic king... video game music be poppin

@jean-philippesanchez7245 2 года назад

Robin wins. He already won since his first round. His music is so nice to be listened.. that's what matters the most to me. True artist i'm very impresed.

@victormartins952 2 года назад

For me, is just impossible to decide, i hope the judges can make a decision, cuz for me it could go either way, and i'm sure i'll feel sad for the one who lose this battle, cuz both are so good.

@TheStudioMouse 2 года назад

The more I listen to this battle the more I realize Robins second round is the greatest loopstation round ever created. Not even Saros drop against MB14 can top this level musical genius. Frostys second round is not far behind, his track was pure destruction, but human psychology will draw us to the voce, the emotion, you can just feel it. We just witnessed the greatest loopstation battle in history

@Megelos 2 года назад

yeah, people keep saying its unjugable, but I think its pretty jugable.

@fabioccc8855 2 года назад

i totally agree

@gokuafrica 2 года назад

For me, the battle is tilted in Frosty's favor. 2 different styles and I think it's personal preference in the end.

@Megelos 2 года назад

@@gokuafrica How? Robin did so much with so little, that was literally the point he made in the beginning of his rounds lol

@gokuafrica 2 года назад

@@Megelos i personally feel Robin's first round was weak and repetitive to a certain degree. For the second one, I believe it's a tougher call because frosty had high energy and had me jumping throughout whereas Robin's song had a slow and nice buildup which paid off in the end. It's a close call but I'd pick frosty here.

@humanvadhya1299 2 года назад

I'm shook 😭

@user-jf5zd3rj7p 2 года назад

This battle will become as legendary as the battle of Saro vs MB14... You can look at it forever...

@Kunal-cj3bj 2 года назад

can't wait for Frosty to perform in GBB !'

@CristianAlencar 2 года назад

Frosty 2nd round needs play in the next Doom game!

@GoFr0st 2 года назад

It's everyone's game at this point, good luck judges because they both deserve to win this !

@ryanaudioo 6 месяцев назад

i always come back once a year to check out robins rounds

@RandomCommenter9 2 года назад

Best battle of all time

@henryfields3393 2 года назад

At first I was leaning a little towards frosty but after re listening to both of the last rounds about 10 times Robin's 2nd round still gives me goosebumps and it stands out so much, I love it.

@bruniniipog2336 2 года назад

Omg!!! What a sick battle, it's impossible to decide who won!!! Just fer taste for me Frosty won, his second round was freaking incredible, but Robin's both rounds were super sick too. This Kickback is going to be CRAZY

@liamnelly 2 года назад

Such a good battle

@nextstark2764 2 года назад

dope battle

@jonashausmann 2 года назад

Both second rounds are absolutely outstanding for me, I just can't make up my mind who should win this battle

@justakram7788 2 года назад

it's the first time i don't pick a side on a bbx battle i would love to see more of frosty's music and i would like to see more of robin sets " the places that he record on"

@kevinekasaputra3428 2 года назад

Quarterfinal? I think you misspelled *GRAND FINAL*

@cody6295 2 года назад

The first round of Robin wants me to watch it over and over again

@RandomCommenter9 2 года назад

This battle is UNJUDGEABLE. They've both made the best round from their respective genres of all time. I feel so bad for the judges. How on earth can you call either of them the loser?

@cherls15 2 года назад

👏👏👏👏👏

@decay6591 2 года назад

Frosty vs Robin and KBA vs Robin are videos that I watch everyday. Frosty's second round, Robin's second round vs KBA and KBA's first round are the best of kbb

@mirulscott870 2 года назад

Both is crazy asf. I cannot decide who win..

@Riy-bh3wk 2 года назад

Прям новый уровень, живой клип, звук на высоте, всё просто круто у обоих 🔥🔥🔥

@mike1hav 2 года назад

What a battle! FFS. Looping is insane now, I love it. Frosty the drop god now!

@TheStudioMouse 2 года назад

Only Robins musicality could stand a chance against Frostys second round. Would have been game over for literally anyone else. First, there was Thorsen and Tioneb, then the world saw Saro vs. MB14, and now this battle....we are witnessing history, greatness before my eyes

@vasubhyadiwan7615 2 года назад

Not for SBA's loops... He could've won...

@imanfirmansyah6526 2 года назад

WE NEED EXTRA ROUND

@hatepotatoe5302 2 года назад

I like these kind of battles tho

@VinZFamilly 2 года назад

OK guys let me tell you how I feel right now. Im listening to beatbox for probably 10 years or so. And not gonna lie im hella sick of always hearing build up then fat drop. It feels so good some musicality ! Robin your round made me cry, I kinda felt what you were doing here. Thank you for this pure and beautiful music. Esh.

@Kyojin39 2 года назад

I need this on spotify xD

@pellejakobsson7308 2 года назад

I know who won the battle. The flies on Robin's arm

@PrinceKoopa. 2 года назад

The fact that robin can keep up at the same level with just one device is telling enough.

@amiedarby1872 2 года назад

Honestly how do u judge that as a judge dammmm Both lads kicked doors off great work 😊

@rijalabd12 2 года назад

Really so much love the 2round of frosty and robin ❤❤

@leiltoncosta5612 2 года назад

Muito top cara

@idleinthesewer5562 2 года назад

frosty reminds me so much of inkie, i'm glad he's being seen as more than just dlow's tag partner

@dontmesswiththeriddim2699 2 года назад

I feel sorry for the judges now, who have to judge this battle and the other battles to come; if the level has been raised this high in the first battle, I can't imagine how hard it would be for them judges to choose in the upcoming ones. Best of luck guys, hope you don't implode yourselves while judging.

@isackraft9065 2 года назад

I'd give my vote to Frosty tbh, kind of clear to me

@Neon1880 2 года назад

Why is it so clear for you? Is it because you only see the competition as who can make the more intense beats? If so, you really aren’t a fan of beatbox. Yes frosty’s was a more epic round, but Robin displayed equal levels of skill with his device, and destroyed him in complexity by singing and also easily won showmanship

@isackraft9065 2 года назад

@@Neon1880 Ive been a fan of beatboxing since 2017. Thats 4 years now and it may not be much but it is more than some people for sure. You make it sound like you're a judge and you clearly aren't. Im not a judge either I just express my feeling after I've heard the battle and for me its frosty. Robin is very skilled and I love his stuff but I've heard it so many times now im not too impressed anymore